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sonofluc1fer:
Not just this place.. The world at large.

E fit b old age

GoodMuyis:
Christianity is not a secret cult, If bushiri is sure of himself why hiding behind camera? One major question we need to ask as Christian is, OF/FOR WHAT PURPOSE does he have show the world he can float on air?

By my observation bushiri is not even a man of God, but a charlatan, one of Major Evidences is that he praises himself so much, and will not restrained his subordinate from doing so.

What MOG will be singing his own praise than Jesus.

You miss the point good sir. It is not a cult, no one is claiming so, but it requires FAITH.

How can your faith be tested if everything is given to you easily?

God needs to know you love him before he helps you. For instance, he tests the faithful by giving cancer to their infants, watching them pray interminably, and killing said infants if he finds their faith lacking.

If he's willing to make such harsh trials, why would he now show you miracles that would not leave any doubt in your mind? What would be the point?

Everyone would love Him if there was no doubt he existed, even the unworthy. Therefore, there must be some doubt in any miracle He chooses to show us.

GoodMuyis:
Do you what the man did?

He shoot a line of thread into the sky in an open field, he then climb the tiny thread and everyone see it.

To verify it asked anybody from Sha're (kwara state) the hometown of the state Governor.

The Man was father to popular musician "Hasana Abake"

I still don't see why you expect me to believe your story, but disbelieve mine....

Thousands of people have seen the great prophet Bushiri in action.

Here, another video. This one showing LIVE angels showing up during a service


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6X3kVFYDKA

Look at the hundreds of people bearing testimony in just that service. He's had hundreds of services

I have video evidence of his spirit-filled-holiness, you have just hearsay, and you think you make a better case sir?

JackBizzle:


You don start again!

Seriously why did you beef me then?


I never understood that.

Perhaps I was simply bored?

EvilBrain:
Busy job. Plus I got frustrated by the insane level of rétardation on Nairaland and the failure of the mods to do control it.

I still lurk once in a while but I no longer have time to argue with people who don't want to learn anything.

I seriously fear this place has aided in re.tarding me actually.

I suspect, though, it has just squished my will to live a little bit, by voiding my faith in humanity by a teensie bit, leading to my general apathy and my putting far less of an effort. So no actual brain damage

I hope

Glad to hear your doctoring is keeping you busy. Y'all are true MVP

sonofluc1fer:
weigraf JackBizzle jayriginal Plaetton and the oldies...

remembered when we had JeSoul as mod.. and Purist and mnwankwo were more regular. The mad days of buzugee vs frosbel, goshen360 vs anony, Davidylan and everyone.... lol. Wasn't in vain guys...

Alfa and Jack were big fans of jesoul iirc

I miss David. And what happened to evilbrain?

UyiIredia:
You are being stupid. I do not confuse evolution with abiogenesis.

That's all you have a problem with?

OK, so we can at least agree he puts forward a more eloquent argument against Abiogenesis than anything you've ever produced, yes?

GoodMuyis:
Yea!
But we Wise Christian dey enjoy

Joe4Christ stop using the terms alone for Africa, everyone enlightenment is different, and abeg, other continent have their own, Africa does not hold medal of gullibility.

The day I watch the film, that was when I finally concluded that Bushiri is a Joke, I was expecting him to be shown fully, floating but lo, cameraman decided to zoom to Bushiri's leg

He should have purchase the charm instead of fooling himself.

uptill now I still remembered a show performed by a man my village,

The man has done this stunt life before- they say so in the video.

If you think they're lying, why would you expect me to believe your own claims of your village magician but dismiss theirs?

Besides, these things require an element of faith and secrecy. You don't expect the pastor to show the whole world his secrets, do you?

benzics:
Go watch the video again, at 00:42,pay attention to the shadow... watch how the highlighted shadow goes it's own way immediately he stepped down..
And if you also look closely, the cameraman waited a little(enough time for the ghost to hide) before turning to the right side..


You can only fool the gullible..

This should be in the front page na, let's laugh at gullibility a little.. Cc: seun

That was probably just the poor quality of the camera

I agree though, maybe this should be front page

Cc: seun abeg

hahn:
Are you saying you believe that shit?

There are things the carnal mind cannot comprehend

Are you guys saying it's not possible?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YuQo5Gwieo

@uyiiredia, why aren't you this eloquent?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEJtsC5sVZA

UyiIredia:
That doesn't make it material. Otherwise you would be able to ascribe other material properties to it like momentum, energy, length etc. Unlike matter, the dimensions of space are not and cannot be limited to a given area (which BTW is defined by a region in space).

Once again, space has properties. Gravity, or its curvature, is one of such properties.

What in the world do you mean by the bolded?

And because an object has dimensions, that means its container cannot posses dimensions?

UyiIredia:
They are. Photons are the force carrying particles for the electromagnetic force. Humans see photons at the frequencies in the visible spectrum.

Wow. So because you can see photons, that makes them real, lol.

What about the other particles that can be detected via other means but are not on the visual spectrum, like that Higgs Boson that was recently observed, it doesn't exist? It didn't exist before it was detected??

UyiIredia:
Good maths and guesswork. That doesn't make Einstein's posit less silly. Newton ascribed gravity as an attractive force that is sufficient to explain the occurrences you stated.

Kayi...

He also said was instantaneous, this has already been proven false.

It also doesn't account for various other effects, effects I am tired of listing.

Now, you've been provided with evidence after evidence after evidence, and your reply is to hand wave it away because you can't see it.

Nice going

UyiIredia:
Did I not also mention that this applies to invisible objects? How stupid could you be? I used that example as visual evidence.

Ser genius, that using that example is particularly asinine should be self evident.

It's like stating that because a blind man can't see anything, that means it's empty all around him. See??

UyiIredia:
State the physical properties of the 'emptiness'. Apart from dimensions. Any matter has several physical properties. The same should be true of space if it is material as you claim.

Where did I say that it was filled with matter??

I'm careful to use material in quotes for a reason. Or would bosons qualify as matter to you?

I said space has properties that has physical effects. These effects include the aforementioned gravitational lensing, effects on time and matter. Heck, gravity itself is an effect in a sense.

And if you want direct proof of the agent responsible for warping space, do you know gravitational waves were recently spotted?

UyiIredia:
It is actually. Because it is apparent that all objects (invisible or visible) exist in a context that is immaterial. This is best seen in the case of our solar system with numerous pictures of planets hanging in a vast, dark emptiness.
.

So, because you can't see anything there, that means it is empty?

Great thinking there...

UyiIredia:
Note that I said space is nothing or emptiness. This is different from true nothingness where nothing exists at all (no matter, no God, absolutely nothing).

Again, all objects exist in an emptiness that is not physical in any sense.

That 'emptiness' has properties that have physical effects...

UyiIredia:
This is idiotic. Space is not a material. All the professor showed was that a stretched cloth curves when masses are applied on it.

It has material properties, like dimensions.

The force carrying particles aren't 'materials' either, but they have material properties as well, despite the fact you can have multiple of them occupying the same space...

What is your problem here? Is it lack of imagination?

Oya, explain why relativity accurately predicts and explains things like gravitational lensing and Mercury's orbit?

Dawdy:
Gravity is hoax.

Low energy reply

Fake reply

UyiIredia:
Not an idea but a fact. Space is nothing or emptiness. All physical things from the subatomic to the galactic exist within that context.

That is no scientific fact, at all

Not even sure it holds philosophically. Do you understand what true nothingness entails?

UyiIredia:
So a professor demonstrates 'space curving' using a cloth on a trampoline

I don't think he's a prof, but yes.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTY1Kje0yLg

This one is especially for you, uyiiredia of space does not curve.

SirWere:
You'd be surprised at how much positive reception he would get if he suddenly became "converted" into Christianity.....

Might be enough to push him into a seat...

If he were republican, yes. They vote a tangerine in just because it claims to be on their side (despite its history); they are the gullible ones (as attested to by their rabid religiosity as well)

Not so much the democrats

But yeah, at this point I can see him selling his soul completely and going full Trump, becoming a republican as well. So yes, you're correct

His pandering to religious groups for his political ambitions is, frankly, disgusting

And people see through this stuff. Look at Hillary..

sonofluc1fer:
Hail Trump. This would be fun.

I actually lol'd at the wall today


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4OwJOVi0ec

South Park come to life...

Great video

Neither, as neither has freewill

Or maybe it's the bacteria, as plaetton argues

https://www.nairaland.com/1859229/ye-gods-all-all-100#25505602

UyiIredia:
I'll leave smart people to draw the right conclusion from the highlighted statement. I won't waste any more time with you.

Happy new year!

UyiIredia:
It is a question of mind vs matter within the context of the discussion. The holism vs reductionism question is also a part of it. Dismissing the former is silly.

Your analogy with electrons only buttresses my point. Just as electrons without color constitute a painting with color so do molecules without minds constitute a brain with minds.

That is why I asked wiegraf whether the molecules in brains have minds. Because he was challenging my statement that matter lacks mental properties. If you want to be wiegraf's partner in idiocy be my guest.

A brick can't be a house. A group of bricks though, can.

In fact, I'll go further and state that houses do not exist without bricks.

It's not feasible.

Simple

There must needs be the material building blocks before the house manifests. Else 'house' remains but an abstract concept.

That a brick cannot be called a house takes nothing away from the fact that houses are indeed bricks

Simple

Simple

Simple

Stop creating problems where there are non.

Moving on, do note that of course houses need not be made of bricks or designed by conscious agents. Natural forming phenomena, like cave formations, can be houses, no? Trees house animals, no?

I get the feels you think naturally forming phenomena can't come up with a mind, and I can't see why. Especially considering the fact that we exist means it must have happened before. Your reasoning using the nature of mind is complete hogwash, as has been shown (by agentofallah, especially). Please provide a better one

As for the AI, the fact that was designed is irrelevant. What matters is that it came up with a completely new way of doing things which its designer could never have come up with. That's a new idea, the basis of which new material configurations are built on.

And insulting me is fine. I even like it. Insulting others that are being nice and helpful is just churlish.

Apologise or no cabin for you

UyiIredia:
There's no chicken-egg problem if the chicken always existed and the egg didn't. So, also you cannot presume there's a contingency (or chicken-egg) problem in the mind-matter divide.

The egg!

And before that, some organism laid an egg. So, some lifeform existed before the egg

As you can see, a bit of a false dilemma; there is always some method to what is ostensibly madness

Even your first cause would have some method to its madness, no?

UyiIredia:
Mind is greater than matter. Matter in itself absolutely lacks mental properties; mind on the other hand has the ability to concieve of matter and this is why humans via their mind routinely effect new material configurations that did not exist before. So, the very nature of mind includes the concept of matter and power over it but matter in itself has no mind.

Let us examine your madness

You say all this while you yourself are "matter with mind"!

What am I missing here?

Or can you deny that?

Also, do computers posses mind? As you're also aware that they are capable of creating new material configurations, yes?

You're aware that an AI like alphago is capable of coming up with completely novel strategies on its own?

DeepSight:
Exactly.

Hence the material world. Don't you get it?



God is deterministic. That does not make it material. It manifests to us in the material.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

DeepSight:
Intangible things are no less real. Is time not real? Is it tangible?



The will of God is not as you might imagine human will.

Think of it this way: it is simply the outward emanation of that which cannot otherwise but be: and the laws of God are simply the naturally occurring consequences of the existence of the permanent element referred to as God.

You might understand it as a magnet and its poles. Does the Magnet have a will to attract or repel things?

This is why as a Deist, I do not regard God as making special interventions in our reality. There are beings that do so, but God itself is beyond all that.

Thus when I do pray, which is rare, I address also the spirits of the air and the elements.
As for the last bit, do you refer to my travels to other realms? Are you the Winchie that's been hampering me?

Intangible constructs require a material basis to manifest

And what you describe here isn't exactly what is generally accepted as freewill traditionally (not that I believe that exists, just pointing it out).

What you describe there seems deterministic and, by extension, materialistic to me

DeepSight:
There have been a lot of revelations and I will issue them soon in my Holy Salad.


https://www.nairaland.com/3466792/deepsight-true-esoteric-knowledge-god/3#51777047

I received the calling from Mr. Bizzle and as such I will write.

But do the research man. Take the plunge, write a book. Oneness knows you've got the lyrical skillz