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Evil Brain: How can an all knowing god forget?

Your religion don't make no sense.

Hypocrite, considering what you're trying to convey neither does this double negative!!!

Deep Sight: Please we are not playing musical chairs. If you have something to say, speak it straight.

And do tell how exactly was I dancing around?

You make a claim, that they are wrong/evil because their value system is flawed. I am asking you, again, what exactly is this value system? What is their objective.

Please don't play musical chairs

Deep Sight: That the strict materialist worldview is wrong, because going with strict materialism, there is nothing evil or wrong with all of these acts?

And exactly what are the objectives of these strict materialists? Or they have non? What do they value?

Uyi Iredia: Animals have been experimentally demonstrated to show cognition, solve puzzles and think abstractly albeit to a limited extent. You can check this out on Google.

Do they possess free will as well?

Uyi Iredia: Yes. But not to the same degree as humans.

https://www.google.com.ng/search?num=30&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=HAi&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=reason+definition&oq=reason+definition&gs_l=serp.3..0l8.6156.8311.0.8662.11.9.0.2.2.2.553.1449.4j3j0j1j0j1.9.0...0.0...1c.1.14.serp.K59ZqGgFAt4

google: rea·son
/ˈrēzən/
Noun
A cause, explanation, or justification for an action or event.
Verb
Think, understand, and form judgments by a process of logic: "humans do not reason entirely from facts"; "the reasoning behind the review".
Synonyms
noun. cause - motive - occasion - ground - mind - intellect
verb. argue - think

The other animals can give you a reason for their actions? Or they understand said actions?

Uyi Iredia: And these faith based systems are deemed logical by their adherents. Reasons can be forwarded as to why apostates are killed. But the more important thing to note is that the basing morality on anything other than intelligence is circular. For example, basing it on logic us circular because logic entails a moral imperative to PROPER (note the adjective) reasoning. In your case I can directly equate (or define) morality as satisfaction of a value system.

What exactly are you on about with the bold?

Do other animals use reason?

Uyi Iredia: I didn't say its logical to be a cannibal. I clearly meant that actions are moral because theybare deemed logical.

Actions are deemed moral when they satisfy a value system. Value systems need not be logical or objective, at all. For instance, if you subscribe to a religious moral code, that would entail basing your actions around faith based system, not logic. Logic is viewed as just a tool, a tool to satisfy goals which are based on values.

Again, go look up the thread were your brethren admit they do not use their brains when religion is involved. Their moral codes are built around religion, yes? That isn't exactly basing your actions around logic, yes? Or do you think killing apostates or persecuting homosexuals is logical? Yet these actions are deemed moral in certain societies, yes?

Or even the op, provide the answer (I hope) most people on the globe would give to it.

Supposing you could get away with cannibalism, in fact, it would be extremely profitable to you and others about, perhaps even to the person becoming dinner as well, why should you then not do it? Why would it still be considered morally bad by most? Why is euthanasia of patients in extreme pain and with no chance of survival considered bad by many? Or even abortion? etc etc

Mr anony: Lol, no it doesn't.

Let's test it by applying your comment to thehomer on this thread shall we?


Would that be a fair comment to thehomer here or are you only spurred on by an anti-anony bias?

Errm, yes. How does this apply to thehomer?

K'll be back

Mr anony: Are you sure you are on the right thread?

Oh, yeah. My bad, should pay more attention. Imagine the above was posted in the 'is god good thread'.

Will copypasta once I'm behind a proper PC

IT ALL STILL STANDS

Mr anony: meh

How many of pages of chicanery? Simple, explain why in your opinion the acts in the op qualify as good to you.

IF U HAVE NO INTENTION OF ANSWERING, YOU SHOULD SHARRAP. THIS NONSENSE YOU'RE PULLING IS THE HEIGHT OF FOLLY, IT MASKS NOTHING. SIMPLY MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE AN IRRATIONAL DISINGENEOUS SLAVE

Then again, it isn't my thread.

frosbel: What a wonderful testimony, who says God is not in the healing business these days.

To God be the glory, now you have a mission to preach to other atheists , leave the rest to the Holy Spirit he knows how to draw Men to Jesus.

Peace and Blessings.

Are you sure this isn't another of your accounts?

bolaino: yes I agree with you, the universe exists cos we exist,

Eventually we even come to wave's collapsing. It's mind boggling I tell ya'

Anyways, it's rather easy to see why a sentient species might assume this unbelievably gargantuan universe was custom made very specially just for them.

Well, in many ways it isn't, but you get the point.

Anyways, kudos good ser.

bolaino: lol, well, in that case sir, I will agree that the universe does not exist,

Don't call me sir, what have I done to deserve respect? And nice steven weinberg.

Anyways, so a basic prerequisite is that for a universe to exist, there must be conscious life to acknowledge it, yes?

bolaino: the anthrophic principle is very interesting, but it's vague and that makes it not credible, there's no proof for it, and the theory is just made up of speculation and conjecture, and the theory supports the theists concept of a creator, everything is right for life on earth cos it was specifically created for life by a creator, in essence the anthrophic principle is a principle that's theists can use to support their claim of an intelligent designer.

I don't think you quite get it. And it isn't a scientific theory per se, but it's solid reasoning. It's a bit similar to a thread @kay has atm dealing with his case against the existence of god.

For starters, imagine if there were no conscious life in this universe, and no other universe with any conscious life could interact, in any way, with it. Could you now say this universe exists?

Anony... I mean wtf

I'm not even reading, just skimming, but wtf

I mean... Wtf

Wtf wtf wtf

Just ansah d furhgsdkfbd question... U set d furrhbgfjf standards


Wttf wtf

If I were muslim I'd have put a jihad on you by now

Wtf wtff

Jfffekf really? I mean what do you achieve with this nonsense? What??!!!

Remember what it was like before you were born? Or when you sleep, sleep without dreaming ie.

You won't be able to worry about it, so don't worry about it. Just try to make sure you left the living a better world (imo)

Itsfacts: So your reason was no one cares? and who told you atheist don't pretend? this is the stupidest reason I have seen for someone to drop his faith. no real reason what so ever. it is better for me to live like God exist than to live like he doesn't only to realize later... Seriously they care the thing is many of them are brought up that way. in fact they don't even like school compared to Africans. the vanity they enjoy makes them no to go to church. things like fornication, beer and weed/drugs. I don't discriminate and my point is the reason to become atheist is just so cheap in your case

Bros, where did he say that was the reason? Please reread and try to grasp your stoopidity.

And would you look here, pascal's wager. If the bolded is your reason for being religious, well..

I hope you don't claim to love your god, as that would make you (asides from the obviously foolish) disingenuous. You don't follow your god because you believe it's 'right', the good thing to do or you love him etc. You worship him because of the rewards. In this case, probably escaping the eternal torment your loving omniscient and omnipotent god would inflict on creatures much less than insects (to him), which he himself created no less, for simply having a difference of opinion (or being ignorant, even). WORSHIP ME OR SUFFER!! And you scream back SIR GOOD SIR!!! You're actually proud of this slavishness?

As for your slave masters moving on while you still cling to their gods..

Well, let's see... We spend all our resources on church, top the charts in prayers and yahweh-style godliness and love (which looks strikingly similar to hate. Kill teh gheys!! Why? Because..). What has been the end result? A cancer ridden AIDS filled $hithole. Assuming you're currently in the diaspora, enjoying the benefits of godlessness while sneering at it, well.. You hypocrite.

In short, this is one of the more foolish posts around, and puzzlingly the only relevant part to the op was a part of the very last sentence. Was there any need to expose your folly?

bolaino: I never thought you and I could see eye to eye on any issue, but I agree with you on this, @op, that's staged, it's very obvious, and yes, man has an innate feeling that there's something bigger than him, and he has been trying to understand this feeling but has not succeeded, and I doubt if science can be able to explain unravel this mysterious "feeling"

I'm an a$$, not stoopid. And don't take my antics personally.

Look up the antrophic principle if you haven't before, somewhat related

Just a note before y'all get ahead of yourselves, more accurately it's an innate need for an alpha, usually male, hence the resemblance of gods to man. Funny xtians, assuming your omnipotent god looks like you. Very omnipotent.

It's simple biology, look at the various species around. If ants became conscious, they'd worship the great, strong, wise (eventually intangible, as the search for evidence proves fruitless) super-ant. A capable leader who could even save them from the perils of death, give them a purpose, explain the gaps etc.

Considering the ridiculous amounts we publish, we also have an innate need for pron, but I'm sure y'all would blame the devil for that

Tpfkakambo: right thinking people know atheism is as deviant as homosexuality..
and though it may try to go main stream thru legal injunctions it will just never click in,
man is a God-worshipping being.
That said- , modern societies, with sound human right laws, giv individuals freedom of expression,belief, and religion.
It shouldnt be an issue wat u believe in,but man will always be man- vocal when he thinks he found a wrong he should dutifully correct.

Make up your mind you dolt, do atheists suffer discrimination or not?

Op, I wouldn't be vocal, except to the ones you're very sure aren't barbarians. However, I find even the more cultured people would insist (forcefully or silently) that you believe in some sort of god. But like a poster above experiences, so long as you know what to say you'll find people retreating all the time. Behind your back though, apparently that's another story, but meh.

Bottom line, some care is required. Being dismissive is usually fine for instance, though with some care. Perhaps preferably you're a well off lone wolf, no problems then.

Staged
Regardless, but staged

Deep Sight: Nope. Not talking logicality as per those actions. Asking about Morality. End of.

If its an animal, why cant it do what animals do, and do it better?

It can, and indeed perhaps it should. However, doing it better involves doing things like not eating other sentients (or any other animals, if you can help it).

Deep Sight: These are your thoughts, and you are entitled to them,

I was going to highlight that, but it occurred to me that they were indeed logical, unless you can show otherwise.

Deep Sight: but they certainly do not detract one bit from the strict logic of the premises laid out and the inevitable conclusion that follows.

Logic to attain what purpose?

If your point is that being logical will lead to situations we generally consider morally wrong by today's standards, mine is that this is probably a false dilemma. The premises do not inevitably lead to where you're heading. Despite how counter-intuitive it may seem, violence, necessary evils are not necessarily the most logical course. Strife leads to less stability, less productivity, etc. These objectives are usually not desirable, therefore it would be illogical to pursue them.

It remains to be seen if materialists disagree with this logic.

Deep Sight: The premises do not talk about what is in anyone's interest, what is efficient, vengeance, strife etc. The premises are limited to morality.

Like I indicated, that was addressing your other post, and all the bolded are related to morality.

Deep Sight: Premise 1. It is not wrong or evil when animals kill other animals or seize their food.

For those without our sort of consciousness, it's unavoidable. Trying to stamp it out will have no effect, as they would not be capable of reflecting on it. And also, carnivores.

So, a necessary evil.

Deep Sight: Premise 2. Humans are animals.

Sentient animals. The only ones we are certain of.

Deep Sight: Conclusion: It is not wrong or evil when humans kill other humans or seize their food.

Well


Regarding some of what you've said, if we all go around warring and killing each other, revenge ensues, standards of morality are lowered, etc, where does it stop? How does that ensure safety? You're still making the environment a more dangerous place to operate. It's against your (and our) interests.

All sides think god is on their side. A lot of foolishness may be involved (see Hanlon's razor), all sides probably have honest intentions, but they'd still all be wrong warring. There's always a better solution to violence (do note again that I can be a hypocrite, short-sighted and impatient).

Again, sapience separates us from the rest, hence we should use it to our advantage. We should be evolving past strife, petty or otherwise. So in general, god might be on every side, but as he's wont to; he's wrong morally.

You could take a practical approach, but you're still wrong ultimately. Necessary evil does not mean morally good. I wouldn't persecute some 'necessary evils', in fact I'd very loudly support them, but I wouldn't call them morally 'good' either.

musKeeto: And how do you equate rapists with homosexuals?

Ah, I still don't have time to party with these hate mongers (I'm surprised they've not yet started sharing milk and cabin, writing placards, etc. At least they're planning ALU style 'justice', some organization!), not to mention hate of this kind is contagious (even if only to dullards (so long as you're not ignorant), there's still a chance some may rub off on you).

Anyways, my pet theory is because he confuses his pe.dophilia, with normal, HEALTHY (yes, I said it) homosexuality. Like most of these dudes here, it's probably a 'boy' thing to him. Or he's just really, really foolish. Note, some of these people are just silly or ignorant, but @ijaw has proven his case is probably a little more...nuanced.

And even regarding these closeted, cowardly bigots listed here (add our good Catholic Men of the Cloth to the list please), even if indeed they were primarily gay as well, I have an acquaintance who's wife, with kid, is just entering SS, and yes she's that young. Better yet; unclce moh. Do we now ban all healthy heteros? We let these eediots, who by the way were publicly against homosexuality, spoil it for the vast majority who are productive, decent and going about their business? Really

Stereotypes are stereotypes, but there's a reason they're called GAY. Here's some synonyms of the word;

google: merry - cheerful - jolly - joyful - blithe - mirthful

Quite a few of them are known to be the above, (as well as very decent), hence the reputation.



Arrogant, selfish, tw.ats. It boils down to GOD SAID IT, THUS ALL OF YOU MUST OBEY. Replace god with Thor, or Santa, and perhaps you'd understand how asinine you sound.

This one is my favorite

rankers: Robert Allen

https://img1.rnkr-static.com/user_node_img/96/1917494/870/robert-allen-theater-actors-photo-u2.jpg

The truth comes out in a public restroom yet again. Florida State Representative, Robert Allen, was arrested for offering to perform MouthAction to an undercover cop in the men's room of a park for $20.

The politician backed himself up by saying he only offered the policeman MouthAction because he was afraid of black people and "didn't want to become a statistic"... which makes about as much sense to us as it does to you.

Statistics, though, show that Allen--who is married with children--has always voted against gay rights legislation.

His voting record is over 90% in line with the Christian Coalition, an advocacy group for anti-gay amendments.

He has achieved quite a bit, though, in going from anti-gay, to racist, to hypocrite, all the way to contradictory math error all in one day.

Hats off!

supaeagles: Maybe na him pikin?

Nah, she's just a bright student/lab hand of his from what I can tell

Fear hook me. The years of the lone einsteins are probably gone.

She didn't invent it, this guy and his partners did a while back

www.chemistry.ucsc.edu/faculty/singleton.php?&singleton=true&cruz_id=yatli

He supervised her.

That said, it's still a hugely impressive feat for an 18 year to be able to grasp and replicate the experiments. Even better if she added some refinements of her own (dunno)

Uyi Iredia: Yes it is. In such cases the 'immoral' acts would be moral based on logic.

So, as it's 'logical' to be a cannibal, why don't you try eating someone so we can see the results? We can then determine if society would deem the act moral as it's logical.

barcanista: If you like sido 4 your parlour with your phone de call me name i no bother. but if you really be man and you sure believe your gayism whether as an advocate or practitioner, PLS come to my street and do your advocacy and we'll see what happens next. I shall provide my street information if you know say e sure for you. THE Nigeria of our dream is one devoid of social vices, armed robbery, criminality, fraud, homosexuality etc are not what we seek.

Pls do post your details. Thank you

barcanista: I don't know why heterosexuals are wasting their time responding to jargons from homos. It's very simple, COME practice your disgusting act in Nigeria openly or in my Street and See what happens next. I guarantee you that you'd be lucky to spend 14 years in Jail-that is if my ANGRY street boys don't lynch you and burn you till that. Assuredly, i'll personally provide the petrol and matches.

You seem to need even more help than @ijaw. Perhaps a gang ban.g? They can replace these street boys of your fantasies