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The problem is, that believers often switch among 3 different concepts when discussing the topic of God (often multiple times in the same discussion), which make it even more important to know exactly what is being discussed.

In general, there are three basic concepts of “God”:

The first concept of God is the God actually worshiped by anybody throughout history, as generally described in various holy books as having said and done and promised to do various specific things for which there should be abundant evidence. The existence of any of the various gods that fall under this category can be easily dismissed, not only because of the lack of evidence that should be there if they did exist, but also because we can trace their origins directly to those ancient books that are filled with obvious superstitious nonsense. It’s like how you know that Harry Potter the wizard wasn’t a real person — sure, the fact that there is no evidence of magical spells and flying broomsticks is important, but you also know that the idea of Harry Potter originated in a particular book filled with obviously fictional accounts of all sorts of supernatural occurrences.

The second concept of God is the one that theistic apologists generally trot out in order to explain why none of the evidence that should be readily apparent if God exists can be actually found. This is the so-called “hidden” “God of the Philosophers” (a.k.a. the Deist God). It’s a God that exists as some sort of “pure intelligence” or “immaterial spirit” somewhere “outside of time and space” and, as a result, is completely and utterly mysterious, unknowable and undetectable. It’s a God that does not interact with the material world in any detectable way, nor does it intervene on our behalf. Well, not according to Deists, at least. As mentioned before, theistic apologists only tend talk about this concept of God when asked to explain why there is no evidence of God, but then they go right back to talking about all the things they know about this “unknowable” God and all the things this “hidden” God has said and done and promised to do.

Anyway, this second concept of God can be dismissed for a variety of reasons, including:

Despite claims that the “Deist” God is the product of purely philosophical reasoning, the truth is that it has its ultimate origins in the same ancient books of superstitious nonsense as the first concept of God. It’s basically just an attempt to provide a logical justification for an illogical belief in order to make it seem more rational.
Almost all the arguments in favor of this concept of God are variations on the classic argument from ignorance or personal incredulity. “Science cannot [yet] explain various phenomena, therefore the only other explanation [I am willing to accept] is that God did it.”
A truly “hidden” God that does not reveal its presence is indistinguishable from a God that does not actually exist. So what does it matter if such a God did actually exist?

The third main concept of God is one that basically just takes some known phenomenon and renames it to be “God.” God is the entire universe. God is nature. God is the laws of nature. God is love. God is everything. You get the picture. And the reason to reject this concept of God is simply that it is wholly unnecessary. There are already perfectly good words for “the universe” or “love” or “nature” or “everything,” so why not just say you believe in the universe and love and nature and everything without bringing “God” into the discussion? All it does is further muddy the water. I mean, sure, the Bible says “God is love” and I believe that love exists (as an emotion, at least), but that doesn’t mean I have to accept that the Bible is correct when it claims that God is love and therefore admit to believing in the specific being that is described throughout the Bible as having said and done and promised to do all sort of other things apart from just being “love.”

DeepSight:
Is that why you ran away the last time.

I got tired of your flimsy argument

Obafavour:
You need the father of jesus before you become a believer, and you don't want to have business with the son. By the time you give up the ghost you will knw who his father is.

You keep proving time and time again that Jesus was a bastard?

Obafavour:
So you believe in wedlock that was ordained by God.
He doesn't needed to be born of a man because of the atrocies in the heart of men, and that was why he came through a virgin. We refer him to as the most holy.

Atheists are disgrace to humanity, giving false proves from guesses to decieve the world.

How can wedlock be ordained by your God when your God was even born out of wedlock?

Obafavour:
If this was how you were brainwash to convert from christianity to atheism then you are the greatest fool.
If God wants to punish you he will punish you for been foolish enough to be brainwashed and he will punish you for going the wrong way.

If you show me the father of Jesus, I will become a believer.

I know you can't cos he's a bastard

Obafavour:
You're a disgrace to the atheist.
Then, the white came they brought education they brainwash you, they told you that we all hail from monkeys.
Now, the white classify themselves as humans and now they refer you as a monkey, and your brain is still dead to be awaken.

Your God is a disgrace to marriagehood, he was born out of wedlock by an unknown Man

Obafavour:
Early in the morning you don dey smoke weed.
You go soon kill yourself.

qYou don't want to accept Jesus is a bastard

Obafavour:
Now i knw i've been arguing with a mannequin, mannequin that is used to display the foolishness of the atheists.

You can come back after you've been attended to by the psychiatrist.

You have to admit that Jesus was a bastard in Jesus name

Obafavour:
In likness dude, no record in the bible or from the history, that both men look alike both in character and his face.
Mary was a dedicated virgin to the holy temple all through her years, until she got married to joseph.
Herod had never seen mary before even till his death.

No record doesn't mean that Herod wasn't Jesus's father.

So you agree with me that Jesus was a bastard

Obafavour:
Stop deceiving yourself, you mom also didn't knw your real father, she just showed you one, or why do you think they aren't together.

I should serve you so i can be brainwashed like you. If jesus didn't have a father he won't show us the way to him.

Who's is Jesue father?
Definitely not Joseph, I think he's Herod or Pontius Pilate

elated177:
Premium wailing and frustration. Atheist indeed!

For the umpteenth time, you aren't looking for any evidence. You have a narrative that you desperately want to push forward.

I wonder the category you belong to. This thread described you properly.

There is no atheist on nairaland.

I am looking evidence and you saying that you are evidence. That's what an idiot who doesn't know what evidence is says

Obafavour:
You thought she concieved the way your mom concieved to an unknown man.

Jesue doesn't know his father, I know mine.

You should serve me instead of bastard Jesus

Obafavour:
Mary wasn't bleeped dude. No sign of Herod in him, jesus was a good man while herod was a killer, so how has he related with herod?
Yeah, what do you expect from an ape like your mom, animals don't get married they sleep with different male like a bitch. And so you can't recognise your dad, the jesus you call a bastard, he's a true son of his father GOD.

No prove that mary was bleeped so don't say what you don't know and shut the fvck. BABOON!!

Prove that Mary was not bleeped by herod

Obafavour:
He wasn't a bastard because he was a true son that was well pleased with.

Unlike you that brings shame and reproach to your family.

Prove that he's not a bastard?

Herod bleeped Mary

Hismasterpiece:
Laugh while you can and enjoy every moment of it.

When you get to hell you will never laugh again. You will be overcome with remorse for all your evil ways and you will regret every moment of your sad life. You will hate yourself. You will scream in agony and cry and no one will comfort you.

So laugh while you can and enjoy every bit of it. Because a day is coming when you will never laugh again.

you guys are so funny, how do you even believe all these nonsense

Obafavour:
And so you use a forsaken God to curse. MUMU!!

Jesus is cursed already, he doesn't know his father

Obafavour:
Mumu who he go pain? he was conceived by the holy spirit. why he go pain me when bastards think every child are bastards like them.

Bastard worshipper.

Herod bleeped Mary to conceive Jesus

Obafavour:
Cos you are from a broken home.

Prove you're nt from a broken home.

I can't prove it but I can prove that Jesus was a bastard

Obafavour:
Go and finish yourself and your braindead scientist who doesn't knw where they hail from.

Your God is a bastard.

Tell us who his father was.

E pain am

Obafavour:
Lol, a bastard asking for the prove of a true son. For you info jesus wasn't born of any man.

We have prove that Jesus was a bastard
If you think otherwise then who was his father?
Joseph who was an idiot like you accept Mary's stories, same way you will accept it if you wife says the holy spirit slept with her because you are a foolish person

Obafavour:
I thought you weren't spiritual, ogun that is subjected to the almighty God, guy go and get brain.

I have a brain and that's why I don't serve a bastard

Obafavour:
Hmmn, you thought she acted the way your mom acted.

it seems you are new on nairaland, you will cry.
Ogun WI kill that your bastard God.

His mom Mary was busy sleeping with herod while Joseph was making chairs, and mumu Joseph accept a bastard in his home. Now idiots like you think that bastard is worthy of worship

Obafavour, I will finsh you and your bastard God who does not know his real father

Obafavour:
So you are also riding the latest jeep. Mad atheist who doesn't knw he is nothing but an empty barrel.

Worshipper of someone born out of wedlock.

Obafavour:
Now i knw who you really are, a son of a bastard, go and ask your mom how you were born. You son of a bitch.

Proof that Jesus wasn't a bastard, he did not know his dad

Obafavour:
Now i knw who you really are, a son of a bastard, go and ask your mom how you were born. You son of a bitch.

your bastard son of Joseph will not save you today. We need to expose her slut mom who slept herod and lied to start a new religion

Obafavour:
Cos he's rewarding me in multiple fold, so shut the fvck and stop clap-trapping.

And yet many christians are poor stricken. Papa is riding in latest jeep with escort.

You have been scammed dude. Poor church rat

Obafavour:
Scientist: FOOLS of the present generation, after arguing come get more brainwashing books.

Yes o, books like the Bible where virgins can conceive. Only Olukoya children believe such nonsnse.


I think King Herod impregnated Mary to give birth to Jesus, Jesus was actually a bastard

Obafavour:
Which basic things do i have to knw in those nonsense.
When you fail to understand basic things in christianity scientist will scam you.

Orr wait! Do you think you can brainwash me the way you were brainwashed?

Pastor olukoya: After arguing please come pay me 10% of you income

Obafavour:
By the way no one is enslaved by the pastor.
Or it's you that is enslaved by the scientist, sent to the world to brainwash those who are on the right track the way you were entangled. MONKEY.

God and pay God his money

babaijesha:
Actions work becos its a natural law....

But natural law sometimes fail or is not adequate...

you need supernatural law to forge ahead..

U get to the supernatural through Prayer ...

No effort is complete without prayer, without a definite recognition that the best human endeavor
is of no effect if it has not God blessings behind it. Ghandi

Tell this to the bird of the air.

You people will not have sense in this life. Supernatural ko, superman ni

elated177:
Stop being dodgy. Are you not looking for evidence of the Creator? I am evidence.

Yes I am, and you say you are evidence lkke you are brainless