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Because the stories are fraud and they never happened.
If it didn't happen then, it can't happen now.

Lol , coming from someone who thinks a virgin conceived without a Y chromosome donor and who's not willing to change her mind on that ground even in the face evidence that it doesn't and didn't happen that way.

You need to learn basic science first ma'am

Truly and behold, only an idiot doesn't change his/her mind

Hismasterpiece:
Lol... a God that is subject to the laws of science is no God at all. Since he made the laws that govern science then why should it come as a surprise that He is able to break such laws?

How does science explain a virgin giving birth? Does science have an explanation for someone coming back to life after being dead for 3 days? Does science explain how someone born blind can see again? Or how someone's limbs can grow back?

What other logical explanation is there for these examples other than the fact that they are supernatural events?

There's no evidence that God exist.
So your first statement is not fact

Image123:
But what happens in times of war/battle? Is God on one side against another? It is virtually the same answer for every competitive endeavour of man, GOD IS NOT THERE.
We have christians in my school blue house, there are also christians in my school white house. Who is God supporting in our interhouse competition?
We have christians in my school STEM team, and you also have in your school STEM team. Who is God supporting at the Cowbell STEM competition?
My state/church has a football team and your state/church has a football team. Who is God siding in the national interstate competition?
My country has a relay team full of christians and your countey has a relay team full of christians too. Wow, We both print Jesus T-shirts even for the finals celebration. Who is Jesus siding in the Olympics?

This issues play out in myriads of situations. God is not partial. Imagine with an athlete was helped by the Umpire or by an enhancing drug. Most people will say that was cheating and unfair. But the same people think that God would cheat and give an unfair advantage. No, sorry, He doesn't play our little games.

Nonetheless, after i think the point has been well established, i need to add that there is the place of divine intervention. God is Sovereign. He may sometimes step in for a reason or the other. He might have mercy, He might resist the proud, He might answer a prayer, different reasons. On warfronts, we have heard several testimonies of divine protection due to some old mother's prayer somewhere for her soldier son. God can even show a boastful Nebuchadnezzarlike sportman that they race is not always for the swift.

So these supernatural interventions do sometimes happen and are not to be ruled out. But they are not a CONSTANT C as it were. God is not on Russia's side or on Ukraine's side. He's hardly ever on Nigeria's side contrary to many people's opinions and expectations in sports .
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god has to exist before he can side anyone in a war he could have stopped

PastorMIsBack:
Trying to save face, lol. I wasn't born yesterday

And still you can't get it when an atheist says "thank God I dont believe in God"?

cornelboy:
Thank you for your smartness!
Our God said in His book that he exists. He's alone the one Almighty GOD. He's from eternity to eternity.

Athiests are the most foolish set of people I have ever seen. You don't even think before you type.

If that's your evidence, quote from the gospel of the FSM and let's examine the book.
Can I access the book online?

exactly, Thank God I am not atheist.

I serve the flying spaghetti monster, the creator of the Jewish God, yahweh

PastorMIsBack:
The irony is lost on you

The joke is on you for not getting the joke

PastorMIsBack:
Somebody once said, "I'm an atheist, thank God"

yes, thank God that I'm atheist

cornelboy:
No, your God FSM existed first before our God. He should know more that the God he created.
Perhaps he was the one that instructed our god to create the universe

Just tell us how you know that FSM created our God and everything will be settled?

I don't need to show you evidence, it's true because the gospel of the flying spaghetti monster says its true

cornelboy:
Why are you asking for evidence when you already know it?

So how can I know this FSM because our God didn't say anything about him.
Our God said he's the only one true GOD no other besides Him.

Show us the evidence that FSM exist and he created our God

How can I also know that you God created humans?
You need to provide evidence for that before I show you evidence of FSM creating your God

cornelboy:
You claim that the FSM created our GOD is a proof that our GOD exist!

It's also prove that FSM exist and he's created your God

Hismasterpiece:
Okay, so what religious claims would you like to subject to your tests?

An object with larger density than water floating, like Jesus did.

If I can see any object with more density than water float on water, I will believe that Jesus walked on water

cornelboy:
Our GOD is not a monster or demon.
We don't know no flying spaghetti monster.

You need to bring evidence that your FSM created anything talkless of ours God, the source of all life.

I don't need to bring evidence about the FSM since you do not have evidence for your God

cornelboy:
Well I'm surprised cos flying spaghetti monster athiest believe that's how the creation happened.
So how do you think world came to be?

I think thr flying spaghetti monster created everything including thr Christian God

Hismasterpiece:
When you say testable evidence what exactly do you mean. Be specific.

Like I will test it 100times and it will give me the same result 99times at least...
For example, if I make I claim that the brightest object after the moon in the sky is venus. We can test that using a telescope, the result will show that venus is the brightest object brightest object after the moon 100times.

That's what evidence is, thre results are always testable

A001:
This will become a lengthy argument sooner or later, and I don't want that; even it's been over a month since I last updated the other thread because of time constraints.

I'd need to find some old materials online on the subject, and that will be time-consuming.

It takes time to type these lengthy posts on Nairaland.

Summarily, evolution is the established concept in science on the existence of life on Earth, and evolution is a natural phenomenon.

I posit intelligent design is one of the concepts that can account for the origin of life on this planet.

That's my own position (not a scientific fact) as an agnostic, and I don't have the time to delve into that discussion at this period.

I've a lot on my plate now.

(There are various theories on the origin of life on Earth; one of them is based on evolution and another on intelligent design; the origin of life on this planet is a controversial topic.)

If the origin of life is still controversial, so how come you conclude that an intelligence should be involved?

While I think that it's highly impossible for an intelligent being to have started life owing to the probability that life can start either

1. Anywhere in the universe and brought down here via panspermia
2. Abiogenesis here on earth

There is enough time for either of this to have happened.

The least probable is that an intelligence made it. Anyways, we still don't know, we are not going to act like we know for sure.

cornelboy:
Who cares about your feelings?

No one but flying spaghetti monster, the creator of the Christian God

cornelboy:
Present a testable evidence that the big bang theory really happened?

I don't understand the bibg bang so I don't believe it yet.

So can you present testable evidence for your God?

Amotolongbo:
If I explained to you, are you cerebral enough to understand.

You that couldn’t understand simple post by the OP now wanting to understand high level discussion on scientific theory.
Go and discuss with your mate

please what's evolution?

cornelboy:
Even if only 8 million people are the only true Christian worshipping the one true GOD Jehovah in spirit and TRUTH, it's enough!

I have a feeling that flying spaghetti monster created yahweh

cornelboy:
Lol you sound like a robot asking it fellow robot the evidence that their manufacturer exist.

Your reasoning won't stop God from existing.

The way our DNA works is a prove that there's a mastermind behind nature.

You see, orderliness can't come from disorderliness just like you athiests say something can't come out of nothing.


I'm not a product of big bang. And human are created to live a purposeful life

I'm sounding like a robot because I need evidence, I Just one testable evidence for your God and I won't ask again

Amotolongbo:
well, the last song a mad man learns becomes the only song before it is being deactivated by another song.
It is so evident that you just learnt the world “Evolution”

Tell us how the post is not about the origin of the universe and about evolution.

Wisdom is surely your weakness

The assumptions are simple.

You are scientifically illiterate and do not understand evolution.

This will be confirmed the moment you start discussing the topic of evolution which you re subtly avoiding to

Amotolongbo:
well, the last song a mad man learns becomes the only song before it is being deactivated by another song.
It is so evident that you just learnt the world “Evolution”

Tell us how the post is not about the origin of the universe and about evolution.

Wisdom is surely your weakness

I'm still waiting for your explanation for evolution.

As long as you are avoiding it, I will keep asking you. I'm sure you do not know anything about the topic.

I have tried this several times with proponent of creation and 99% of times I discover and expose their crass ignorance.

So what's evolution? Tell em

MaxInDHouse:
Satan only took advantage of mankind's dirty habits to promote his falsehood.
If we have followed the hygienic advice in God's word we won't need vaccines talkless going through some worthless theories like EVOLUTION!

Illiterate

Where is the hygienic advice from God?

Your God is so stupid that he created humans and then microorganisms to kill them

Amotolongbo:
Below is the screenshot of your gibberish in response to my post and still waiting for you establishing how the evolution is the fact to the creation of earth and the universe.

Then, we can now discuss something else!

The topic is about evolution and not the origin of the universe. Origin of the universe is a strawman which you created to distract us from the piont of the op.

So now, tell us what you understand by evolution, why are shying away from this?

Explain evolution and relate it with creation context.
I bet you can't, you re not mentallt capable to ahe such discussions, I hope you can prove me wrong

Arkmanbuddy:
I don't think you understand what you just posted up there. It is common knowledge that God has no beginning and no ending because that would make him trapped in time that he created. He created time and cannot be trapped in it.

It's not a common knowledge, it's claim by theists which cannot be proven.

×The origin of God is a mystery because it predates time and obviously beyond man's understanding. So, your inability to explain the concept of God also disproves your own existence, as it's impossible for a mortal to emanate from nothing.

×the origin of God cannot be a mystery when we have no evidence in the first palce that God exist.
The ideal thing to say is that the origin of the universe is a mystery, we have evidence that the universe exist.

Finally, atheists are mere thought-travellers who try to logically explain things that are beyond their understanding.

this is a very notorious ways theists try to shift the goalpost so they don't have to be asked to prove their gods. Theists are notorious for making several claims without evidence and they do not like objections hence they shift the goalpost until forever like you are doing with this comment.
Theres nothing wrong is asking you how you come to your God conclusion, how come you know alot about the mystery of your God when there's no evidence of your God existing in the first palce?

waldigit:
You atheist are one way traffic logic reasoners. Many of you are not real in your idealogy. Your position is a mere expression of self denial and delusion. You are scared to embrace reality for the fear of unknown. You always rant you want proof of God's existence when you can't as well provide proof He doesn't exist. What a double standard human nature! Some of you always hide behind science , whereas science is not atheism. Science has a scope and boundary. So scientists always classify domain of God as no go area and they don't contend it, rather they navigate around it.
But atheism is a fools paradise. Atheist admitted he was born one day and he would die also one day yet he can't see the vanity in life. He makes use of natural system to survive and provide for his daily needs. He survives in his body relying on an extremely complex system body defence mechanism. He actively interract with a system of complicated environment and exploit it to his advantage and many more yet he fail to believe and acknowledge not the copyright owner of all these systems. He enjoys a leverage and care not for who provides it. Today he claims he can destroy the world with nuclear bomb but can't aknowledge the owner of Uranium atom and nucleus. Atheism is a lifestyle of ingrate and self denial.

OK, maybe if you can provide testable evidence, atheism won't exist

mariovito:
except the fellow on the other side shows reasonableness, I try not to have that conversation as much as possible. None of us going to shift.

Most times it ends a stalemate as they won't have explanations to most probing.

I treat My beliefs or lack of it as a personal matter.

I doesn't end in stalemate.
The burden of proof lies on he who makes the claim, the inabality of theists to prove their specific God over thousands of years stinks of fraud.

obonujoker:
Everything the Bible (the word of God) said, has been tested and proved through the ages of men through to this very day.

OK, how was it tested.

Tell me one method to test the creation story of the Bible. We need to confirm it.

For example, show me a method to test that women were created from men ribs?
I'm so eager to see how that can be tested

WatchYourSix:
This topic is not about evolution only ... u made it about evolution only .., the op asked how everything came to be including man.. he mentioned the moon, the sky the sun, he also asked how man came to be, evolution or creation??
But you condescending and narcissistic attitude rushed in to rub your limited knowledge all over the place..

Abi u want to claim to know it all?
Is ur knowledge not deficient or limited at the end of the day..??
Sùfàyo.

The topic did not say creation and big bang.

You only need basic education to understand that when creation and evolution are mentioned in one sentence then it has to do with "how life became it is today" and not how all things came into existence as evolution doesn't not address the origin of everything, maybe if you paid proper attention in school, you will understand how basic English context works. Someone with an IQ a little above average understands these simple terms and would easily understand what the op meant.

Now that this has been explained to you, can you discuss the topic of creation in respect to what evolution addresses?

WatchYourSix:
Insult me all you want....You are a random mistake in the cosmos, take it or leave it ....

Evolution ddnt just jump out of thin air... did the sun and moon also come out of gene pool...??
u this idíot...There was nothing initially.... no air, nor water, nothing...Something just started...and u insult me because I said you a mistaken entity..

The topic is about evolution, maybe you can open another thread to discuss big bang.

I'm not going to follow you from pillar to post. If you are ready to discuss evolution, let me know

obonujoker:
Yes there are.

The Bible- the most important book and information the earth needs.

Other canonical and non-canonical books.

Evidence: A fact that can be tested repeatedly and the result should be consistent.

Tell me how the Bible fits the defintion?