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AudioMonkey:
Why did you cowardly delete your last reply? I saw your mention but it's already deleted.
Are you running already?

I didn't even know that the post was removed.
This is because you are in haste to win the argument instead learning. Posts cannot be deleted on nairaland, sometimes anti-spam not removes post and gives 24hrs ban.

Calm down, you are not intelligent enough to win this debate if it's a win you want.
You are not even intelligent enough to figure that comments cannot be deleted on nairaland.

AudioMonkey:
It seems you think calling the word 'fallacy' unnecessarily would miraculously validate your argument and invalidate mine.


Lol. Really? No evidence for any design?
Your atheist mentor scientists were smart not to ever say such. Even a kid knows better than this. Science never said there wasn't a design, being designed by intelligent God or the design naturally existing itself is the debate, so If you say this, then what do you really know?
The universe you're living in is an integration of further complex integrations of complicated functions, matters, forces and then aesthetics. This is just a lame description by the way.
Just a step into the natural world, looking at the sky and landscape, you don't need much sense or education to know these are masterpieces in beauty and design.
It's obvious you don't know what you're saying but still, If I may ask you, what is a design to you?




Though you know Apple's office or the owners, yet there are many artifacts or objects lying everywhere, once owned by someone who're not known. Even though the makers/owners cannot be known or traced, yet by sense and logic, we know some people made those things, they are not just existing.
But going by your logic, should we throwaway the assurance of the makers/owners just because we do not see them or able to contact them repeatedly, and claim all these objects made themselves?


You're not getting it. Even man-made designs don't follow the same modus operandi, much more natural against artificial. That isn't the point. The simple point you do not understand is that whatever the modus operandi are, either in natural or artificial world, they're just tools put in-place by a superior designer, to perform certain functions all in a process to a particular end product. They're not the designers, they're just building tools.
Unlike you said, programmes don't necessarily need to get prompt from a user before they perform actions. It all depends on the design. Infact a programme is expected to react autonomously to values and variables inorder to ease the user. Yet this doesn't make the programme the designer. It's just a tool to achieve the design of the designer.
Your confusion here is that you simply don't know the difference between a superior designer to a sophisticated device/tool/programme performing functions to achieve the design.
A sophisticated device carrying out complex functions doesn't equate a superior designer who is the mind behind everything.

Why are deliberately avoiding the part that says your logic will create infinite regress?

If everything is so organized and has to be designed, then who created our very organized creator?

Try to answer this question without special pleading

AudioMonkey:
You're yet to make a point, you've only made unconnecting rhetorics of irrelevant theoretical terms.

My point is, you committed an obvious fallacy which you need to address. It's impossible to validate an Argument full of fallacies.

"A masterpiece, evidence of a designer" isn't a fallacy, it's daily fact and reality, except your so called over-education deprived you the simple meaning of fallacy.

This is why I am sure that you have poor philosophical knowledge. "evidence of design" in terms of origin of the universe comes with lots of fallacy.
"evidence of design" assumes that everything has to be designed hence there has to be a designer. It's a myopic view.
I. It leads to a vicious cycle of infinite regress because your God must also have a designer. Something that is capable of making the universe and even called perfect must be very organized hence that thing must also have been designed and ad infinitum. In philosophy, we call this "turtles all the way down". It's a flawed way of reasoning.

II. This form of reasoning will force you to commiting a "special pleading fallacy" by saying that your God is the uncaused cause. That's ridiculous because you make a rule and then break it because the rule won't favour you at some point.

You're a masterpiece, and you're an evidence of a designer, who/which possesses some advanced intelligence, creativity and power.

×there's no evidence for any design dude. It's a fallacy

An app might be able to work autonomously, but a step backward, a programming language made the app, further steps back, there is a intelligent designer behind it all.
Genetics and hereditary are not intelligent designer who know a lady should have curves and softer body, they're merely tools or programming languages to a final masterpiece.

Comparing an app with a human is a "faulty equivalence" fallacy.

I. This is because for example, I know that Apple owns the IOS, I know where Apple office is, I can contact them whenever. I can repeat this verification multiple times and I will get the same result, such cannot be said for your god. We cannot contact him repeatedly, we cannot test anything whatsoever, we are not even sure if he exist, where is his office?

II. The modus operandi of heredity is totally different from that of programming. This is why I assume that you dont know science. They might seem comparable to a layman, but not to a savvy.
Genetic codes bend to natural forces and they have been doing that for billions of years, programming codes don't.
Genetic codes are transcibed and translated into proteins to perform certain metabolic functions in the cells, programming languages follows prompts from the user of that device before it can perform any operation.
I can't imagine how an educated person should think that they are comparable

From your parochial perspective, the puppet is dancing all by itself but someone with wider knowledge knows there a puppeteer controlling the puppet with strings.

Your false impression about your so called education is the real fallacy.

So who is the puppeteer puppeting the puppeteer that is pupetting us?

Do you see the problem with your logic?

elated177:
What are people like you doing?

Give me your age bracket.
I can tell you boldly that our ancestors were not favoured to have someone like this saint, priest, servant and prophet of the Creator of heaven and earth, Elated177, in their own time. If they did, they would have passed on the story to our fathers.

El Elohe Yahshrael! YHVH ALMIGHTY be praised.

This is not an interview section.
Jusy provide evidence for your God, I am 100% sure that you cant.
I can give up my life fortune for it

elated177:
Ehehehehe! I laugh in Mbaise! Ihe efu!

What I have and know have been tested, tasted and certified and confirmed to be true.
I have seen, I have felt, I have tested, I have tasted and I have confirmed the greatness and awesomeness of my God, my Father in heaven, my Daddy in the sky, YHVH Almighty, the one and only true God. He is the Creator of the heavens, the earth, the seas and everything in them.

El Elohe Yahshrael! Hallelu YAH!

YHVH ALMIGHTY BE PRAISED!

You have tested your own personal delusions that cannot be verified by an Independent entity.
If you have a methodology to test your God, provide it hence you are no more than a bad thinker.

It's as simple as that

elated177:
Ok. Let's continue on Facebook.

Do you even know what it means to exercise the brain?

I do, it means the ability to critical observe, analyze phenomenon, test them, and establish repeatable evidence.

Someone like you who cannot provide evidence for a god but believe one exist is not a good example of critical thinker. There's no basis to differentiate you from an uneducated village person, most of them still hold the God belief.
It's hard for you to see an uneducated person leave religion, he doesn't have the mental sagacity to reason beyond it. This is not to see that some relgious people are not educated, but alot of you cannot think properly.

elated177:
Tell me about yourself.

How does that provides evidence for your God?
It's a faceless forum, people can't leak personal information here for security reasons dude.

Just exercise your brain enough to outgrow the "God delusions"

elated177:
Tell me a little about yourself.

the world we end and still your God will not exist.
You cannot force imaginary things into existence

Loser who lacks the mental capacity to think without factoring a God. You should be ashamed of yourself, people like you are dragging humanity backwards

elated177:
Premium wailing and frustration.

You re peson wailing and your God who doednt exist cannot help you

Believer of imaginary friends

Believer of virgin birth

AudioMonkey:
That is a deviation for now, maybe later.

not really, I just feel like someone who at least attended a university would know that inferring that I am an evidence for god is a fallacy. It would have been taught in general studies-philosophy and logic.


Your argument is flawed based on "questionable cause fallacy"; This fallacy occurs when a causal connection is assumed without proof. All too often claims to a causal connection are based on a mere correlation. The occurrence of one event after the other or the occurrence of events simultaneously is not proof of a causal connection.

While I agree that many people really do not remember alot of things they were taught in school, I also think that the Nigeria educational system has made it impossible to prompt critical reasoning and sound logic. This is why you immediate start making an argument for god without a proper proof.
Your argument from design also shows gross lack of basic knowledge of science. It's also a form of "appea to ignorance" fallacy

I'm not evidence for your God, I am evidence that genetics and hereditary is fact and that my parents had sex. That's the only evidence we have for my existence. No God in the equation yet

AudioMonkey:
A masterpiece of art is evidence of the artist.

What did you study in school?

[quote author=kingyakos post=110950686][/quote]I pray you should experience Flying spaghetti monster

kingyakos:
This clawn is just threading anywhere God is mentioned all to cause confusion with his flying spaghetti nonsense.
Job 1:6 (KJV) Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

A fool says in his heart that there's no flying spaghetti monster.

Ravioli 1:4

AudioMonkey:
You're the evidence you ask for.

how?

[s]

elated177:
More wailing and frustration. Ehehehehe!

Nothing for you.


Isaiah 6: 9 He said, “Go and tell this people:
“‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’ 10 Make the heart of this people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed.”


4 : 11 He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12 so that, “‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!’"


Matthew 7: 6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

[/s] says a brainwashed fellow who cannot reason

elated177:
Lay out what you have as alternatives. Let your readers consider them and decide for themselves. Forget about the Scriptures and whatever they say or do not say, present your alternatives, workch.

There's nothing like alternative.
Reality is, Bible is shit. Reality doesn't respect opinon.
We cannot make standard from nonsense and lies such as the Bible

elated177:
Mtcheeeeew!


Premium wailing and frustration. Ehehehehe!

Because your God is sham.
He can't even show up when you need him

elated177:
No one forced you to this thread. I will not trade insults with you. I don't have time for you.

Your Christian scams and lies must be dismantled. It has mentally enslaved people for too long.

elated177:
You are neither important nor relevant to my Righteous Walk. The things you say are useless and meaningless. Continue to rant and ramble.

are you not ashamed that you cant provide evidence for your beliefs?
Are you not ashamed that a book written by bronze age nomads controls you?

LordReed:
While I don't think of the book as ridiculous, I do however think it is a mistake to base one's life on it. That is a bad idea.

I think it's ridiculous

elated177:
Is anyone compelling you to believe?

Nope, but we need to expose your delusions

elated177:
You have nothing reasonable to say. Not trading insults with you.

Then show me evidence for your imaginary friend dude

DeepSight:
While scripture contains a much myth, legend, folklore and the like, as well as fantasy and falsehood, only very ignorant people will fail to see that it also contains much value in terms of moral instruction, spiritual growth, encouragement in distress, wisdom, philosophy and the like. For example the Book of Proverbs is utterly priceless.

Learn to separate the wheat from the chaff, so you don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Doesn't mean the entirety of the Bible is not ridiculous.

elated177:
You need to grow up.

I have grown and that's why I don't believe a woman can conceive without fertilization.

elated177:
Exactly what you are only good at --- meaningless repetition of meaninglessness.

Maybe I am repeating because you are to dumb to get the message

anu3:
Hmmm... Friend, I was once on the same page as you, so I understand.

If you knew me some 10+ years ago and now hear me saying all this, then you might at least get a bit tempted to rethink and stop making a joke of eternal things.

Anyway, for anyone who cares, "The wages of Sin is death." And God is calling all to Repentance (not to Church first!!! Too many church people including Pastors are Brutally Deceived: I've stopped going for over 6 years now)...

May Jesus bless you

You can't be in the same page as me and still think the Bible is relevant in today's world.
Only someone who lack critical reasoning will think that

anu3:
1Cor.2.14 - The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.


God bless...

I am going to believe this because a bronze age jewish goat herder said it

PastorMIsBack:
The atheists on Nairaland cry foul if a Christian is disrespectful to them and their lack of belief. Yet, they don't accord us the same courtesy.

lol
Atheists don't have beliefs, atheism is a disbelieve.
Only Christians and other relgious people have beliefs.
Get that fact correctly

elated177:
Keep dodging.

I'm not Dodging, you seriously need to accept the flying spaghetti monster as your lord and savior

elated177:
Workch, go and rest.

I want to rest in the bosom of our lord, the Flying spaghetti monster

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