₦airaland Forum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5JqOmkanLw&list=WL&index=52&t=155s

Feb 11 2022

for a rational conversation on this
subject we're honoured tonight to be
joined by a rational person the former
democratic congresswoman from hawaii
Tulsi gabbard congressman thanks so much
for coming on tonight thank you so
let's just it's hard to know what to
believe always and especially now but
let's just stipulate
agree to agree
that it seems likely we could see some
conflict
between russia and ukraine soon how
should we view that
i will first of all biden president
biden could
end this crisis and prevent a war
with russia by doing something very
simple guaranteeing that ukraine will
not become a member of nato because if
ukraine became a member of nato that
would put us and nato troops directly
on the doorstep of russia which
as putin has laid out would undermine
their national security interests
the reality is that it is highly highly
unlikely that ukraine will ever become a
member of nato anyway so the question is
why doesn't president biden and nato
leaders actually just say that yeah and
guarantee it which which begs the
question of of why are we in this
position then
[b]if the answer to this and preventing
this war from happening is is very clear
as day and and really it just points to
one conclusion that i can see which is
they actually want russia to invade
ukraine why would they because number
one it gives the biden administration a
clear excuse to go and levy draconian
sanctions which are a modern day siege
against russia and the russian people
and number two
it cements this cold war in place uh you
know the military-industrial complex is
the one that benefits from this [/b]they
clearly control the biden administration
war mongers on both sides in washington
have been drumming up these tensions
if they get russia to invade ukraine
then uh again it locks in this new cold
war
the military-industrial complex starts
to make a ton of more money than than
they have been in fighting uh al-qaeda
or making weapons for al-qaeda and who
pays the price the american people pay
the price the ukrainian people pay the
price the russian people pay the price
it undermines our own national security
but the military-industrial complex that
controls so many of our politicians wins
and they they run to the bank
you've seen this from both sides as a
lawmaker and a member of our armed
forces so i think you've got a credible
view on this i i just have to ask
they've been telling us with increasing
hysteria wendy sherman and
jake sullivan and the president himself
that the threat here is to western
europe that vladimir putin has has aims
on our allies in western europe why
don't the europeans seem as afraid as
our leaders are if that's
true
i think that is a legitimate question
that no one in the biden administration
or the nato leadership has responded to
in any way
it seems they've forgotten that they are
supposed to be accountable to the
american people that they answer to the
american people and yet they they have
failed to answer this very very simple
question in justifying why we are
continuing to send more troops uh to
europe why they are continuing to
escalate tensions why they're continuing
to push for something and in uh you know
making ukraine a member of nato that
again is highly unlikely to ever happen
and if it did happen it would undermine
our own national security and our own
country's interests
there doesn't seem an upside i mean no
one has been able to explain why
americans should want ukraine to join
nato is there something that we're
missing here is there some benefit to
the united states from having that
happen
i've looked at this carefully tucker and
i have yet to find any benefit that a
political leader has used or could use
to justify this to the american people
all you hear is like well we have to
defend democracy we have to defend this
democratic country of ukraine but as you
know very well uh this current president
you know shuts down arrests
political opposition throws them in jail
shuts down tv stations that are critical
to him
i have a hard time seeing how president
biden or anyone can
say with an honest face we are defending
democracy and the reason is because our
own government has publicly supported
these authoritarian actions by the
ukrainian president and shutting down
their own political opposition and it
begs the question
this sounds familiar to some of the
things that unfortunately we're seeing
play out right here at home
i was just about to say it sounds like
their kind of democracy tulsi gabbard
that's about the smartest analysis i've
heard and i really appreciate you laying
it out for us thank you

djevino:
There's no evidence of an airstrike on the ground like holes u know what I mean right? Abi am I missing something?

how come non of them is carrying any weapon?

yankeecoder:
Are you suggesting that any country with sufficient military might has the right to take out any other country simply because America did it in the past ? This is 2022 for crying out loud ! We are in an era of democracy.

watch this programme if you have data
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7KSdFKB1sg

yankeecoder:
Are you suggesting that any country with sufficient military might has the right to take out any other country simply because America did it in the past ? This is 2022 for crying out loud ! We are in an era of democracy.

am glad you agree that America did it in the past. But guess what? This is 2022 and America is still doing it. Guantanamo is still being occupied as we speak. But that doesn't justify what Russia is doing by the way.

However, great world powers do it for national security reasons and they don't answer to anyone. So why should the west be complaining when Russia is saying that NATO should not be expanding East. The point is Russia will not have a NATO country next door to its borders.

This is in retaliation to Russian state television being banned in Uk, Europe and America. Also playstore withdrew RT app. Ia fair game.

kollinzgee:
America is not even the owner of California and new Mexico they stole it from Mexico.

what about the native Americans that their land were stollen

I think the question we should be asking is what does America want?

America and the west destabilised:

*Iran
*Afghanistan
*Ukraine
*Libya
*Iraq
*Syria
*sponsored a coup in Venezuela


Now they want to put NATO army next door to Russia and your want putin to just siddon dey look?

yankeecoder:
Is Cuba currently under attack by American forces ?

guantanamo is a cuban territory that is still being occupied by Americans till today. What do you call that?

Let me answer... It's called annexation.

So it's ok when America annexes a part of another sovereign nation. But it's sacrilegious when Russia does the same thing?

Op @yankeecoder ... first of all emancipate your mind.

Go through this thread then come back to reassess the Russo-ukrainian crises

https://www.nairaland.com/7010515/exposing-hypocrisy-western-media-russo-ukrainian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z9UyPurVok



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldBKmPsST6A

https://www.nairaland.com/7010515/exposing-hypocrisy-western-media-russo-ukrainian

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chiefoga:
Maintain Neutrality.

Collaborate together to save citizens that want to leave.

Not a bad choice.

So, what should Africa do?

1. Support the west.

2. Support Russia.

3. Maintain Neutrality.

Emancipate your mind from mental slavery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7KSdFKB1sg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNPRJylDLWo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYJBbQIKuRg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGXtHifqK-U
Why are Ukrainian Border Guards preventing Nigerian men from leaving Ukraine?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LL6FMLkQTY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvZRi_rglw0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6AsFCm_ACA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z9UyPurVok


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldBKmPsST6A


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmT6KHIwup4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7RASTRaZYw

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