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Kamdil:
I believe AS And AS can still marry, they only need to increase their prayer life. AS can marry AS and not have ss child

You're correct . And there are medical options the couple can use though they're expensive

AmenhotepZuid:
Am told this is how Oduduwa republic will look like.

That's a map of Yoruba speaking people in Nigeria only currently involved . There's of course possibility of others in Edo and Delta who are still fiddling with the idea of a Niger Delta Republic wanting to join the choice is theirs, but no compulsion ✌️

saintmm:
I wonder what warri is doing on that map. kabba and Ilorin will be by their choice. the centre of Odùduwà republic is the six Southwest states. then other willing can join but not by force.
facts: oódua investment company, Dawn agenda, amotekun corps etc.
but, I think the time to shake each other hands and part ways as Nigeria has come.
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Make your findings about the itsekiri Kingdom of Warri and you'd know why they're Odùduwàns

So, who has gotten a text message today

This is good enough

Pazieza, I'd disagree with you that the average Yoruba man is a one Nigeria apologist, sure there are many of us that are but that's simply because they're realists and generally peaceful people who do not want to plunge the country into another civil war - which is the ultimate inevitability of a secessionist agenda, unless of course the international community intervenes before it comes down to that- which in itself is an unlikely possibility, make no mistake about it if the Igbos leave Nigeria, so will the Yorubas, afterall one Nigeria is essentially their creation.

Take away these issues involved in secession and you'd find that the average Yoruba man is a Yoruba and Oduduwa Nationalist. This should be more than obvious from the fact that it was the Action group led by Chief Awolowo that was the loudest voice in insisting that a right of secession by any group should be included in the constitution should the need and followed by the premier of the North who advocated the same initially , conversely Zik an Igbo man was the One who insisted otherwise and ensured that the right to secede was denied and deemed treasonable which the North came to support and now see would be to their advantage and hence the so much repeated mantra of the indivisibility of Nigeria today - it was a product of the East and the North joint decision to make the country indivisible.

The long and short of it is that if there was a way to realistically divide this country with no unnecessary bloodshed, the Yorubas would have opted out but being realists we know that the North would not let go without a fight - which is falsely labelled as cowardice but rather its simply knowing the destructiveness of war and willing to avoid it.

deedeedee1:
No bro. Edo and Itshkiri people should stay on their own.

Why would you say that if they wish to join with us, The Itshekiris have always been a part of Oduduwa self determination groups, they're a member of OPC why would we turn them away when we form our own country? They're part and parcel of the Yoruba nation unless they decide otherwise for themselves.


As for the Edo, they've made it clear they want to stand on their own, so they're not included in the plan anyway.

Map of the Federal Republic of Yorubaland and the Oduduwa nation

This would be a better map, and I've always said that the better name would be a Federal Republic of Yorubaland and The Oduduwa Nation (FRYTON). The Edo people while we have historic ties with them generally prefer to stand alone (if they have a change of heart, they're always welcome) but the Itsekiris in the kingdom of Warri in Delta are with us (again no hard and fast rule regarding it if they choose to opt out) , Urhobos appear to prefer the Niger Delta , but that could be sorted out if they would join us. Forming a nation should never be about including people who don't want to be included, and the Yorubas are known to be the most accommodating and tolerant in Nigeria, far be it from us to force or coerce people into joining with us. We neither seek to dominate or exploit people.

I read through this thread and it was quite interesting and painful at the same time to see some of the comments.

I'll rather not respond to the jibs at Yorubas as being cowards etc, whether Yorubas are cowards or not them will tell. But with regards to the agitations for Oduduwa Republic it's very real, the only thing is there's as many Yorubas who support it as there are those who oppose it. Most of the opposition comes from the Naive Yorubas who do not actually have a clear idea of what's going on in the country and just want to go ahead living their simpleton lives in peace , the second category some people have pointed out earlier are the ones that have the same parasitic mindset as the Northerners and simply want to continue benefitting from the oil revenue coming from the South South, and the third category are the actual traitors that because of greed are willing to keep the Yoruba nation enslaved to the whims of the Northern Oligarchy- this are mainly from the political class and have the same underlying motivation of greed .

All three categories are a problem to the Yoruba race but the last 2 are the especially dangerous ones that could compromise our cause. The first is simply a product of ignorance and simply need re-education.

Having said that the move for Oduduwa independence is real and has the support of many Yorubas as well - enough the actualize it and those of us that support it certainly believe that the Igbos at the same time also have inalienable rights to their independence as well.

The Yoruba people who are opposed to Oduduwa Republic that belongs to the first group needs to have a serious rethink on their position, the other two categories likely cannot be helped. Oduduwa republic is an inevitable reality, the earlier they accept it the better. Those of us who haven't been "conquered " by the Fulani Hegemony will continue to fight for our independence

Oduduwa Republic does not include Edo state, though we gave historic ties with the Binis, except they wish to go with us, Most of Kwara and part of Kogi certainly, and the Itshekiris in the Kingdom of Warri are the ones that are Yorubas and parts of Oduduwa Republic, not the entirety of Delta state. Let the Itsekiri people themselves tell you who they are, the fact that they've been influenced by surrounding cultures does not make them less sons of Oduduwa and part of our nation, of course if they wish to go with Niger Delta, they're free to do so but they're already part of us in our common goal for independence of Oduduwa Republic.

Long live Oduduwa Republic!

Arnold' s biography says his father was a Yoruba man and it was from his family's oral traditions that he learnt that they were from ancient priestly family of Israel.

Yemea1:
...CONTINUATION

Kunle Ojeleye in his book commented on how ill prepared the Biafran army were and that Banjo and the three others were killed because they dared to request better equipping for the soldiers. Hear him:

“Indeed, it was at the behest of this feeling that four Biafran military officers wrote a memorandum to the Biafran administration requesting for a review of the war effort. among others, their memorandum requested: that Biafra should have its own currency; there should be an immediate re-organisation and appropriate equipping of the Biafran army; the admittance of civilians into the Biafran decision making body and the decentralisation of the Biafran government; the mortgaging of Biafran oil in exchange for urgently needed military aid and equipment; and in the absence of all the preceding four requirements, immediate negotiation with the federal forces for a peaceful settlement of the crisis.

“For daring to take such a course of action, Lt.-Col. Victor Banjo, Major Emmanuel ifeajuna, Samuel Agbam and Major Alale were labelled as traitors, accused of wanting to overthrow the Biafran administration, court martial, and executed (Ottah 1981).” At the end, these four men were right. Biafra lost the war because it was ill prepared and because one man, Ojukwu, was chasing a pipe dream.

Banjo had told his wife that that whatever happens, he would let her know of his well being. One morning, following Banjo's death, Banjo's wife woke up in far away Sierra Leone with a dream on her heart. A bird had come into their home and after flying about a bit, it flew out of the window into the blue skies. Mrs. Banjo knew instinctively that that her husband was dead. She would eventually relocate to Nigeria and bring up her children as Nigerians, as her husband had wished.

A few months after Odumegwu Ojukwu died, following a prolonged illness, I was in the office of Prof. Olayinka Omigbodun (nee Banjo), the second to the last daughter of Victor Banjo, at the University College Hospital, Ibadan. I had come to see her on the book she wrote of her father. Among a few things we discussed I remember her saying this and I paraphrase: "the man who caused all these is today being buried as a national hero, while my father lies somewhere buried in an unmarked grave". The bodies of those four men were never found. Many of their families have found it difficult to reach closure on them.

Chris Ngwodo has rightly pointed out that the civil was wholly unnecessary. It was a war that was the result of the youthful exuberance and pride of 36 year old Ojukwu and 31 year old Gowon. Unfortunately those beating the drums of secession and war today are the same youths who have refused to learn from our history. Banjo fell out with Ojukwu from day one when he refused to support his secession course. However they both needed each other and they rode on themselves until the ride could no longer continue. Prof. Wole Soyinka, in his Memoirs, You Must Set Forth at Dawn, said when he met Banjo in Enugu, he saw a man who bought into his idea of a Third Force.

While the Nigerian and Biafran course was the first and second forces, set at warring against each other, Soyinka and a few others saw themselves as The Third Force. The Third Force aimed simply at stopping the war. They did everything to delay it. And if the youth leadership we had then were listening to them, there would not have been a war and the over three million lives lost would not have occurred. Gen. Alabi Isama, in his book on the civil war, "The Tragedy of Victory", wrote about so many gallant officers lost needlessly to this war. For his efforts at trying to broker peace between Nigeria and Biafra, Wole Soyinka was imprisoned by the Gowon government without trial all the war. He was refused permission to even bury his father. Gowon would however apologize personally to Soyinka for this years later.

The man Nnamdi Kanu, leader of the Indigenous People of Biafra (IPOB), is asking Nigeria to go back to this painful lane again. Someone has said that a call to secession is not the same as a call to war. I have however reminded him that history has equated most calls to secession to a call to war. If it were not so, why are IPOB members armed to the teeth today? Why are they brow beating their people to obey some sit at home order? While this country can very well call for a referendum to decide on the question of Biafra, the mere fact that free and fair elections cannot hold in the Eastern part of this country is proof that no free and fair referendum can hold in the East. Besides, what states in this Federal Republic will call themselves Biafra? The last I heard, the people of the oil rich Niger Delta are averse to secession. And Kanu needs to get his elders involved in his course. He needs to respect his state governors, Senators and Rep members. As long as he treats these people as thrash, he cannot get their support. And government will not listen to a rabble rouser. When all these is done, we will then settle the matter of the thousands of intermarriages between Biafrans and other parts of this country. As far as I can see with all these matter on ground, Biafra is a dead agenda.

Victor Banjo, though dead, yet speaketh. His last words that he is not dead rings true. As a member of the Third Force, who did everything to avert war, he was calling on the people of this generation to sheath their swords. A united Nigeria is better than a splintered one, he's saying. He's telling us that if Nigeria divides, there will be no end to its division because every region of this country are still made up of people groups. If we cannot live together now, we will not live together in splintered groups. He's calling on us to jaw jaw, rather than war war. He's asking our young men to redirect their energies to more fruitful endeavours . He's saying that if we do not do the hard work of living together, the easy path of secession, which we think is better, will only be littered with the body and blood of our best minds.

The motives of those calling for secession today is even more insincere than those who called for it years back. If Biafra of Ojukwu days was born out of the genocide perpetrated against lbos, who is killing IBOs today? Let this Biafra cry cease. Let the legitimate claims of IBOs be looked into. Let us live together happily ever after. We are better off together than divided.

This write up is dedicated to my friend across the Niger: Chidi Iloegbu. Thanks for reading my articles

Well said, it's unfortunate though that most of the Igbos prefer to continue blaming the disastrous end the civil war campaign came to on the Yorubas rather than acknowledge that it was a needless war to begin with - a fact of which Ojukwu was reminded over and over again but which he ignored, apart from a few Igbos that have actually been objective, they generally refuse to condemn Ojukwu's role in fighting what was a war that they were unprepared for leading to so much unnecessary loss of life.

That being said, secession wouldn't be my first choice of solution to the Nigeria problem, however am not opposed to it either if it would bring an end to unnecessary animosity we have - though it's not likely to. I believe though that if the Igbo are determined to have their own independent country , they should not be denied a Referendum should be conducted under international supervision and the people's wish should prevail. We're no longer in 1966 and I believe all parties concerned should exercise more maturity in dealing with the issue, the kind of tribalistic and ethnically bigoted statements I've sometimes seen attributed to Kanu in the media is uncalled for. Fanning flames of hatred will not lead down to any other path aside from war again, which no sensible person should wish for.

In conclusion, I'd like to point out to my Igbo brothers that as at of the time Nigeria was preparing for independence one of the key issues the then Western AG party wanted included in the terms of the Nigerian Union was the fact that provisions should be made for any region that wanted put of the Union to do so without hinderance, this was opposed by the then predominantly eastern NCNC and Northern NPC, and was eventually dropped, this particular situation was one of the major factors that caused the civil war. I pray our Igbo brothers exercise patience in their demands for independence if it's what they eventually opt for, so that things can be done peacefully rather than on the blood of innocents.

Shalom!

Hati13:
There is a site that says, Bete-Israel(Ethiopian Jews) are the original Jews. I don't know if it's right or not, since I don't know that much about Jews. Some of the Bete-Israels that are left in Ethiopia, mostly live in Gondar, northern Ethiopia.

Here are the photos of some of the Bete-Israel in Ethiopia and Israel.

It's probably from the sectarian religion of Black Hebrew Israelites, it's a stretch to claim that any group make up the "original Jews". Jews have been of diverse nationalities since their beginning as a nation, sure there are theories about the original Hebrews being black skinned but they're just theories that has never been substantiated. A more realistic approach to the question of Ethiopian Jerry comes from their own oral traditions which says they're a descendant of a love child between King Solomon and the Queen of Sheba.


The thing is having Jewish ancestry matters very little in the larger scheme of things, a convert to the religion of Judaism becomes a Jew irrespective of his original nationality, most of those who are Jews today may or may not be direct bloodlines of ancient Israelites, they may simply be converts to Judaism - proselytes. Jews know this. And the reason as I've said earlier that the Igbo Jews haven't been recognized as such is that they do most largely practice Judaism, most of them practice Christianity. Their only route to recognition lies in a embracing Judaism - which is why some of them are now going in that direction, even though the vast majority of those who are still go for Messianic Judaism, which isn't recognized by mainstream Judaism as being a Jewish sect because they still profess to believe in Christ.

Olu317:
I gave you the name of the first colour rabbi know to the Western world as JOSIAH FORD, a Yoruba man and he was the pioneer of colour Hebrew in the United States. At a particular time, one Rabbi went their to verify the method of worshipping the place and the Rabbi confirmed the method of Rabbi Josai,'s his lead worship as the orthodox Judaism. On the connection to Falasas, there theory that showed migration from the horn of Africa in the ancient times but this was dated back to around the period of the destruction of the Hebrews settlement and their Temple at Lower part of Egypt called Elèphante or the land of ONIAS. It was the Egyptian's Pharaoh's son called Nefayan who was sent to destroy this Temple because of the use of RAM as Sacrifice. And the use of Ram is associated with Yoruba ancestors, especially white Ram for the first Son. And other animals such as doves,sprinkling of blood on Horn's Ram etc . Also, there one significant semblance again with ancients Israelites tradition and it the exhuming of the Dead Ones from the Grave and Reburial in another place in Yoruba land, etc. Then Yoruba of Nigeria migrated in different fold. However, the Yoruba have Jewish connection with the SAMARITAN, SEPHARDIC JEWISH, JEWISH IRAQ, COCHIN JEWISH INDIA, BNEI MENASHE JEWISH INDIA. Even DNA trace link Yoruba up the SINAI in Egypt. And one of the aforementioned Jewish group is connected to FALASAS.

Interesting

The reason Ethiopic Jews were recognized but not "Nigerian Jews" is simply because Ethiopic Jews did not lose their identity, they still had the Torah and observed it in quite much detail that it was very clear that they were of Jewish descent. Nigerian Jews on the other hand - the Igbos as the example here, didn't have a Torah, nor did they preserve the religion of the Jewish Torah, they had first assimilated into the African population and worship system and later embraced Christianity. So for all intent and purposes Ethiopian Jews remained Jews till they were accepted by Israelis, Nigerian Jews on the other hand had abandoned the practice of Judaism, and are only re-adopting it in recent times.

There's nothing farfetched about some of the Igbo people having Israelite origin, a lot of West African communities have many Hebrews mixed amongst them, overtime though they assimilated into the native African communities around them.





^{There's nothing farfetched about some of the Igbo people having Israelite origin, a lot of West African communities have many Hebrews mixed amongst them, overtime though they assimilated into the native African communities around them.}





There's nothing farfetched about some of the Igbo people having Israelite origin, a lot of West African communities have many Hebrews mixed amongst them, overtime though they assimilated into the native African communities around them.

There's nothing farfetched about some of the Igbo people having Israelite origin, a lot of West African communities have many Hebrews mixed amongst them, overtime though they assimilated into the native African communities around them.

I must say that I have enjoyed this discussion so much even though it's an old thread. Kudos to both Dayo and Kat, as well as others that have contributed.

I agree with the summation of many here, Chief Akintola I have no doubt has his own good qualities, but in the end , as it relates to what transpired between himself and Awo and the AG, he was a traitor- not necessarily to Awo alone but also to both the party which was founded on the philosophy of democratic socialism as well as to the Yoruba masses who had embraced this political philosophy wholeheartedly.

The diverse views aired on this form though has given me more clarity on the events of those days, growing up with a father that was a staunch Awoist, I never heard anything positive about Akintola but this thread has done a lot to at least show some positive sides to the man. Nonetheless, he was still in the wrong and shouldn't have tried to subvert the party's policy on favor of his.

My dad used to quote Akintola as having said in those days that , " it's not proper for the children of the poor to have the same educational privilege as those of the rich such that they become indistinguishable based on their level of education ", I don't know if he actually said those words because it sounds farfetched that he would actually say something like that, though everything I've read about his political ideologies and anti free education campaign lends credence to it