Kobojunkie: 1. God told you that when It comes to His followers, that He alone is Teacher to all those who belong to Him meaning you do not need to consult the review of scholars, nor the word of others, when it comes to God, and the things of God.
Twisting month, yet you use other people work of translations of the holy Bible.
Anyways, that's not the point here.
I am not a student of scripture but a follower of Jesus Christ and I don't interpret what is written.... God never told any of us to attempt such ridiculousness. He said we should start by using the understanding we have. And in even this case, basic human language comprehension skills will more than do the work.
Your interpretation is wrong just as you don't even know that God did choose a DAY for Israelites to FAST.
If you don't know that is in the word of God, how else do you justify your self alone interpretation?
Truth is established in the mouth of two or three, at least by knowing what difference scholars say about the said chapter you can know who is right.
Jesus Christ put it an easier way to you. If you use the understanding you have, more understanding will be given you. But if you refuse to use the understanding you have, even that which you had will be taken away from you. So, you don't need humans or scholars to teach you of God, let God Himself do that for you.
Where did I say I need human or scholars to teach us of God?
I only asked you about scholarly opinions on the subject matter because truth is established in the mouth of two or three and Jesus agreed to that.
2. Below is from the Easy-to-Read translation of the Bible of what is written in Isaiah 58 vs 1 -5. Pay close attention to what God is saying in each verse. pay particular attention to what God tells you in verse 5 above. Notice how He even points out that it is "your" days of fasting, not "His day" - "Your" days.
If you search through scripture, even extrabiblical records, there is no report of God giving men a day of fasting, neither did God command men to starve themselves on His behalf.
3. Now, let's take a look at what God says in the other parts of the same chapter. Here, beginning in verse 6, God defines for you what He wants instead for His own day of fasting... this the "fasting" He commands of you. In Isaiah 58, God who never did command for us a day of fasting defines here for us a different kind of fasting, different from the pagan idea of fasting we were all used to partaking in.
The above @color is enough to show people following this thread that you know nothing on what you're fighting against.
Here is Leviticus 16:29-31 from your favorite Easy-to-Read-Version (ERV)
Leviticus 16:29-31 Easy-to-Read Version 29 “This law will always continue for you: On the tenth day of the seventh month, you must not eat food.[a] You must not do any work. None of the travelers or foreigners living in your land can do any work either. 30 Because on this day, the priest will do this to make you pure and wash away your sins. Then you will be clean to the Lord. 31 You must humble yourselves[b] because this day is a very important day of rest for you. This law will continue forever.
Footnotes Leviticus 16:29 not eat food Literally, “humble yourselves.” Leviticus 16:31 humble yourselves This also means that the people were not supposed to eat any food on this day.
It's evident that your self interpretation of that Isaiah was wrong because prophets of God, Jesus Christ, John the Baptist, Apostle Paul & Barnabas e.t.c fasted after Isaiah 58 was written and God didn't rebuke them.
Twisting month, yet you use other people work of translations of the holy Bible. Anyways, that's not the point here. Your interpretation is wrong just as you don't even know that God did choose a DAY for Israelites to FAST.
If you don't know that is in the word of God, how else do you justify your self alone interpretation?
Truth is established in the mouth of two or three, at least by knowing what difference scholars say about the said chapter you can know who is right. Where did I say I need human or scholars to teach us of God?
I only asked you about scholarly opinions on the subject matter because truth is established in the mouth of two or three and Jesus agreed to that. The above @color is enough to show people following this thread that you know nothing on what you're fighting against.
Here is Leviticus 16:29-31 from your favorite Easy-to-Read-Version (ERV)
Leviticus 16:29-31 Easy-to-Read Version 29 “This law will always continue for you: On the tenth day of the seventh month, you must not eat food.[a] You must not do any work. None of the travelers or foreigners living in your land can do any work either. 30 Because on this day, the priest will do this to make you pure and wash away your sins. Then you will be clean to the Lord. 31 You must humble yourselves[b] because this day is a very important day of rest for you. This law will continue forever.
Footnotes Leviticus 16:29 not eat food Literally, “humble yourselves.” Leviticus 16:31 humble yourselves This also means that the people were not supposed to eat any food on this day.
It's evident that your self interpretation of that Isaiah was wrong because prophets of God, Jesus Christ, John the Baptist, Apostle Paul & Barnabas e.t.c fasted after Isaiah 58 was written and God didn't rebuke them.
1. The law of two or three witnesses is only applied where the words of men are encountered, and not where God's own Word is concerned. For example, you cannot successfully apply the Law of two or three witnesses to the Word of God as is written in the Law of Moses since Moses is the only human witness of the Law.
2. Yes, God did declare that we use the understanding we have and that He alone will teach us everything there is to know of Him and the things of God.
3. On Leviticus 16, I stand corrected. God did command one day in each year as a day for them to starve themselves for the cleansing of sins. I had originally assumed that message was for Aaron and the priesthood, the day of atonement of sins.
4. Still, that does change the fact of what God has done on Isaiah 58, which is define "fasting" for His people. If you believe that which is declared in Isaiah 58 is a lie, then that is between you and your God.
5. John was a nazariite, so i can understand Him fasting according to His nazariite vow. Paul and barnabas...we are called to following the examples of Jesus Christ and not that of His disciples.
Guy you can continue with purposeless ideas of no benefit, right from the time Jesus began his ministry no servant of God starve themselves unnecessarily.
Then John’s disciples came to him and asked: “Why do we and the Pharisees practice fasting but your disciples do not fast?” At this Jesus said to them: “The friends of the bridegroom have no reason to mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them, do they? But days will come when the bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast" Matthew 9:14-15
Note the highlighted Emusan, before Jesus' time faithful people often practice fasting but after Jesus' life and ministry on earth God's faithful servants do not practice fasting anymore, they only loose their appetite when they're grieving. That's why Jesus told John's disciples that his followers will fast during times of grief not turn fasting into a practice. When Jesus was physically here with them the Christians never for one day practice fasting because Jesus never taught them how to go about it (whether from morning till afternoon or till another day) Apostle Paul reminded his brothers this when he asked them to eat instead of allowing their grief to take away their appetite!
Act chapter 27
[33] Now close to daybreak, Paul encouraged them all to take some food, saying: “Today is the 14th day you have been waiting anxiously, and you have gone without taking any food at all. [34] So I encourage you to eat some food; this is in the interests of your safety, for not a hair of the head of any one of you will perish.” [35] After he said this, he took bread, gave thanks to God before them all, broke it, and started eating. [36] So they all took courage and began taking some food themselves.
I said that to show you that Jesus Himself supported fasting by encouraging us to to FAST. Which is what you're trying to deny. So the point isn't what is the purpose of fasting but are we supposed to FAST which is abstinence from food? The answer is Yes! According to the scripture. You can keep dishing yourself that nonsense because that's not the subject matter here, you're just perambulating like a lost goat. Are we supposed to fast according to the scripture? Is the point, which your even demonic organization agreed with. So you can save the rest for your deluded mind. Jesus, Apostle Paul & Barnabas, Coneilus, Early Christians, John the Baptist all fasted. Do you agree they starved themselves while doing so?
MaxInDHouse: Guy you can continue with purposeless ideas of no benefit, right from the time Jesus began his ministry no servant of God starve themselves unnecessarily.
Usual ranting of a deluded JWs.
But they fasted which is abstinence from food.
Which shows that you're a liar and your initial post wasn't fasting unnecessarily but what the woman did was not according to the scripture.
Then John’s disciples came to him and asked: “Why do we and the Pharisees practice fasting but your disciples do not fast?” At this Jesus said to them: “The friends of the bridegroom have no reason to mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them, do they? But days will come when the bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast" Matthew 9:14-15
Note the highlighted Emusan, before Jesus' time faithful people often practice fasting but after Jesus' life and ministry on earth God's faithful servants do not practice fasting anymore, they only loose their appetite when they're grieving.
Liar! Even after you quoted scripture by yourself, you can still lie so much.
"...and then they will fast"
This is what Jesus said which means you only fast to seek God but right now God is with you here on earth, you don't need that now but when God (Jesus) has been taken away from earth then they (His disciples) will continue to fast
That's why Jesus told John's disciples that his followers will fast during times of grief not turn fasting into a practice.
That's not what the scripture says you this liar.
When Jesus was physically here with them the Christians never for one day practice fasting because Jesus never taught them how to go about it (whether from morning till afternoon or till another day)
It was clear from the verse above that the reason they don't need to fast is because Jesus was here on earth with them and also stated clearly that when the BRIDEGROOM is TAKEN away from them THEY'LL FAST.
At least this makes your first post that condemned the action of the woman as false.
Apostle Paul reminded his brothers this when he asked them to eat instead of allowing their grief to take away their appetite!
Act chapter 27
[33] Now close to daybreak, Paul encouraged them all to take some food, saying: “Today is the 14th day you have been waiting anxiously, and you have gone without taking any food at all. [34] So I encourage you to eat some food; this is in the interests of your safety, for not a hair of the head of any one of you will perish.” [35] After he said this, he took bread, gave thanks to God before them all, broke it, and started eating. [36] So they all took courage and began taking some food themselves.
But this shows that people starved themselves and Apostle Paul did the same.
So why did you condemn the woman for what scripture supported?
If not because I exposed your lying mouth by bringing your own demonic organization stand on this, you won't have changed your lying mouth.
Your initial posit has been that FASTING (abstinence from food) is wrong and we even need to come and learn from your lying mouth in other to understand what Jesus meant on fasting.
Kobojunkie: 1. The law of two or three witnesses is only applied where the words of men are encountered, and not where God's own Word is concerned. For example, you cannot successfully apply the Law of two or three witnesses to the Word of God as is written in the Law of Moses since Moses is the only human witness of the Law.
My point here is cleared, you're just confusing yourself.
We have many scholars who have reviewed each text in the Bible from the original manuscript and gave their opinions.
Even the English version you are using today, are the results of scholars. So you can keep denying their work.
But I'm still on this, provide one scholarly review of Isaiah 58 let's see their opinions.
It's like saying opinion of a PhD holder is useless in a subject matter.
2. Yes, God did declare that we use the understanding we have and that He alone will teach us everything there is to know of Him and the things of God.
But the evidence so far is that you perverted your own understanding of the word of God.
3. On Leviticus 16, I stand corrected. God did command one day in each year as a day for them to starve themselves for the cleansing of sins. I had originally assumed that message was for Aaron and the priesthood, the day of atonement of sins.
4. Still, that does change the fact of what God has done on Isaiah 58, which is define "fasting" for His people. If you believe that which is declared in Isaiah 58 is a lie, then that is between you and your God.
You can see that you have limited knowledge in what you're discussing yet forming KNOW IT ALL.
You're still wrong that God defined "FASTING" in Isaiah 58, fasting has no two meanings but abstinence from food, what God addresses in Isaiah 58 is their ATTITUDES towards FASTING.
How many times will I knocked that into your skull?
Easy-to-read Version
[color=blue]"...But God says, “You do things to please yourselves on those special days of fasting. And you punish your servants, not your own bodies." Isa 58:3b
4 You are hungry, but not for food. You are hungry for arguing and fighting, not for bread. You are hungry to hit people with your evil hands. This is not the way to fast if you want your prayers to be heard in heaven!
This is so cleared that God isn't against FASTING but their activities during FASTING.
5. John was a nazariite, so i can understand Him fasting according to His nazariite vow. Paul and barnabas...we are called to following the examples of Jesus Christ and not that of His disciples.
Hear nonsense talk. But the evidence is that people fasted after Isaiah 58 was written, are you Jews more than John and Paul?
My point here is cleared, you're just confusing yourself.
We have many scholars who have reviewed each text in the Bible from the original manuscript and gave their opinions.
Even the English version you are using today, are the results of scholars. So you can keep denying their work.
But I'm still on this, provide one scholarly review of Isaiah 58 let's see their opinions.
It's like saying opinion of a PhD holder is useless in a subject matter.
But the evidence so far is that you perverted your own understanding of the word of God.
You can see that you have limited knowledge in what you're discussing yet forming KNOW IT ALL.
You're still wrong that God defined "FASTING" in Isaiah 58, fasting has no two meanings but abstinence from food, what God addresses in Isaiah 58 is their ATTITUDES towards FASTING.
How many times will I knocked that into your skull?
Easy-to-read Version
"...But God says, “You do things to please yourselves on those special days of fasting. And you punish your servants, not your own bodies." Isa 58:3b
4 You are hungry, but not for food. You are hungry for arguing and fighting, not for bread. You are hungry to hit people with your evil hands. This is not the way to fast if you want your prayers to be heard in heaven!
This is so cleared that God isn't against FASTING but their activities during FASTING.
Hear nonsense talk. But the evidence is that people fasted after Isaiah 58 was written, are you Jews more than John and Paul?
Jesus Himself fasted!
The only point I have seen you make is that God did indeed describe a one-day fast, once every years, for the atonement of sins, as part of the Old Covenant laws.
The rest, is you continuing to repeat what has already been tackled to this point. So...again..
Kobojunkie: 1. The law of two or three witnesses is only applied where the words of men are encountered, and not where God's own Word is concerned. For example, you cannot successfully apply the Law of two or three witnesses to the Word of God as is written in the Law of Moses since Moses is the only human witness of the Law.
2. Yes, God did declare that we use the understanding we have and that He alone will teach us everything there is to know of Him and the things of God.
3. On Leviticus 16, I stand corrected. God did command one day in each year as a day for them to starve themselves for the cleansing of sins. I had originally assumed that message was for Aaron and the priesthood, the day of atonement of sins.
4. Still, that does change the fact of what God has done on Isaiah 58, which is define "fasting" for His people. If you believe that which is declared in Isaiah 58 is a lie, then that is between you and your God.
5. John was a nazariite, so i can understand Him fasting according to His nazariite vow. Paul and barnabas...we are called to following the examples of Jesus Christ and not that of His disciples.
And yes, the opinion of a PhD holder is meaningless where God snd the things of God is concerned. Recall that the Pharisees and Sadducees were the equivalent of your Phd holders where God's Law was concerned bu a man raised in the wilderness like John was much closer to God and His Truth than they could have ever dreamt of being in many lifetimes.
Usual ranting of a deluded JWs. But they fasted which is abstinence from food. Which shows that you're a liar and your initial post wasn't fasting unnecessarily but what the woman did was not according to the scripture. Liar! Even after you quoted scripture by yourself, you can still lie so much. "...and then they will fast" This is what Jesus said which means you only fast to seek God but right now God is with you here on earth, you don't need that now but when God (Jesus) has been taken away from earth then they (His disciples) will continue to fast
You problem is pigheadedness! According to the Bible the inspired writers always associate abstinence from food as fasting but in the right sense Jesus never fasted because it's God's Holy Spirit that led him into the wilderness where he was with God until he left and started feeling hungry. You said Jesus is the God with them that's why they're not fasting, shey? OK why did God fast o? And to whom was God (Jesus) fasting?
That's not what the scripture says you this liar. It was clear from the verse above that the reason they don't need to fast is because Jesus was here on earth with them and also stated clearly that when the BRIDEGROOM is TAKEN away from them THEY'LL FAST. At least this makes your first post that condemned the action of the woman as false.
I'm still condemning her stupidity because Jesus never stipulated from what time to what time is fasting, and for your information that's why the white men refers to the first mill people take in the morning as "BREAK-FAST" because it's considered a fasting from one evening till the next morning that takes almost half a day!
But this shows that people starved themselves and Apostle Paul did the same. So why did you condemn the woman for what scripture supported? If not because I exposed your lying mouth by bringing your own demonic organization stand on this, you won't have changed your lying mouth. Your initial posit has been that FASTING (abstinence from food) is wrong and we even need to come and learn from your lying mouth in other to understand what Jesus meant on fasting. Shameless liar like your father the devil!
You can continue in your delusion after all God's son calls Satan the Devil liar and killer deceiving people with false religions {John 8:44 compare to 2Corinthians 4:4} and the woman in question is dead as in DEAD now in her stupidity. So it's left for intelligent followers to know who is the child of the killer and who is the child of God!
While yours is delusions couple with lies and ignorance.
According to the Bible the inspired writers always associate abstinence from food as fasting but in the right sense Jesus never fasted because it's God's Holy Spirit that led him into the wilderness where he was with God until he left and started feeling hungry.
I will continue to expose your lying mouth and dubious attitudes!
@color FASTING never associated with abstinence from food RATHER fasting means abstinence from food. Ole!
Ignorance Jesus never FASTED yet was hungry after staying without FOOD.
Can you see your ignorance in action?
Even according to your demonic organization, there is a purpose people of God stay away from food and it was stated clearly that Jesus FASTED but now you're even contradicting yourself organization, do you think the same God's Holy Spirit can't feed Jesus in the wilderness?
You said Jesus is the God with them that's why they're not fasting, shey? OK why did God fast o? And to whom was God (Jesus) fasting?
Don't derail the thread, if you want to learn I can help you by opening your own thread on that.
I'm still exposing your lies, wrong accusation and ignorance about FASTING here.
I'm still condemning her stupidity because Jesus never stipulated from what time to what time is fasting,
Can you see your life of lack of stupidity outside?
If Jesus never stipulated from what time to what time is fasting, then why condemning the woman for choosing to fast for 10days?
and for your information that's why the white men refers to the first mill people take in the morning as "BREAK-FAST" because it's considered a fasting from one evening till the next morning that takes almost half a day!
This proves me right once again that FASTING is abstinence from food, which you're trying hard to twist since.
I know with much press on your dull skull, you'll begin to contradict yourself.
You can continue in your delusion after all God's son calls Satan the Devil liar and killer deceiving people with false religions {John 8:44 compare to 2Corinthians 4:4}
Rather Jesus called your father the Devil, father of lies, thief and killer.
and the woman in question is dead as in DEAD now in her stupidity.
Yes she's dead and many people died doing God's will.
But remember your people are dying in their stupidity for refusing blood.
So it's left for intelligent followers to know who is the child of the killer and who is the child of God!
Yes ooo! because the same followers know how many of your members your father the Devil has killed through refusing blood.
The only point I have seen you make is that God did indeed describe a one-day fast, once every years, for the atonement of sins, as part of the Old Covenant laws.
So funny,
My point on this thread is to expose your ignorance that Isaiah 58 isn't about God REDEFINES (as you early stipulated) fasting but from old testament to new testament FASTING has been abstinence from food and many prophets and servants of God did it even after Isaiah 58 was written, which shows your lack of understanding about that chapter.
The rest, is you continuing to repeat what has already been tackled to this point. So...again..
You see it that way but I've provided facts even from your favorite ERV that Isaiah 58 wasn't about God condemning abstinence from food but the people attitudes during that period.
And yes, the opinion of a PhD holder is meaningless where God snd the things of God is concerned.
You're still lost in this.
Recall that the Pharisees and Sadducees were the equivalent of your Phd holders where God's Law was concerned bu a man raised in the wilderness like John was much closer to God and His Truth than they could have ever dreamt of being in many lifetimes.
because of this throw away all your English version and go and translate your own version from Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek before I take you serious.
So funny, My point on this thread is to expose your ignorance that Isaiah 58 isn't about God REDEFINES (as you early stipulated) fasting but from old testament to new testament FASTING has been abstinence from food and many prophets and servants of God did it even after Isaiah 58 was written, which shows your lack of understanding about that chapter.
You see it that way but I've provided facts even from your favorite ERV that Isaiah 58 wasn't about God condemning abstinence from food but the people attitudes during that period. You're still lost in this. because of this throw away all your English version and go and translate your own version from Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek before I take you serious.
Again... God in Isaiah 58 redefined for us what our fasting should be about. If you don't want to believe it, it is your choice to continue fasting the way you choose.
2. The Old Covenant definition of fasting written of in Leviticus 16, is only valid for only one particular day of the year to those who are of the blood of Jacob (and the foreigners who live in the land of canaan with them). Anyone who is of Jesus Christ that seeks to fast refusing God's prescription in Isaiah 58 is deceiving self.
3. What is written in Isaiah 58 is clear that even a primary school student does not have to struggle in understanding what God says there. I know the reason you wrestle against it is because it goes against the traditions you are used to and that problem can only be resolved by your letting go of that for God..
Jesus Christ fasted as a result of being out in the wilderness for 40 straight days, same way Moses, the Law Giver also did before Him. There is no record of Him, jesus Christ, fasting again after that for over 3 years. The Pharisees tagged Him a glutton and a wine bibber for His habits instead. Would Jesus Christ contradict God? Nope, He didn't do any of that, it seems.
4. When Jesus Christ was on earth, did He not read from the very same scrolls that were translated by the Pharisees and Sadducees, yet His understanding of even that which they supposedly wrote, was it not beyond theirs? Was it not the same scriptures that they used in deceiving the people that Jesus Christ read the Truth of the Prophets out of causing ev3n the very Teachers of the Law to marvel?
You don't have to go back to the Hebrew or greek scripts to understand the Word of God. You simply have to do as God commands and He, again, commmands that you start by using the little understanding you have, promising that when you do, more will be given you.
God said in Jeremiah 31, that unlike the Old Covenant method, in His New Agreement, He alone will Teach those who follow Him about Himself. Jesus Christ repeated this when He declared that He alone is Teacher and Shepherd over His flock. If you don't believe what God said, it's you and if you don't believe what Jesus Christ said, its also you.
Kobojunkie: Again... God in Isaiah 58 redefined us what our fasting should be about. If you don't want to believe it, it is your choice to continue fasting the way you choose.
This is the point I'm still knocking into your skull. God in Isaiah 58 didn't REDEFINE fasting but rather address the issue of their wrong ATTITUDE during fasting.
Even after I quoted ERV for you, this shows that it's a deliberate attempt to mislead yourself not what the word of God say.
No I'll continue to fast the way people and Jesus himself did which is abstinence from food.
2. The Old Covenant definition of fasting written of in Leviticus 16, is only valid for only one particular day of the year to those who are of the blood of Jacob (and the foreigners who live in the land of canaan with them). Anyone who is of Jesus Christ that seeks to fast refusing God's in Isaiah 58, is deceiving self.
Nothing like old covenant DEFINITION of fasting, that's intellectual dishonesty.
FASTING ONLY has one meaning which is abstinence from food but wrong attitudes and action can make it becomes starving yourself which is what God addressed in Isaiah 58.
Jesus Christ fasted as a result of being out in the wilderness for 40 straight days.
Just as I asked the other person above, do you think Jesus can't be fed miraculously for that 40days in the wilderness?
This is the evidence that FASTING is abstinence from food but you people just decided to attach your own meaning to it.
There is no record of Him fasting again after that for over 3 years. The Pharisees tagged Him a glutton and a wine bibber for His habits instead. Would Jesus Christ contradict God? Nope, He didn't do any of that, it seems.
So during the 40 days of Jesus Christ in the wilderness, was He doing what God said in Isaiah 58? You can see that you just decided to twist that chapter.
3. When Jesus Christ was on earth, did He not read from the very same scrolls that were translated by the Pharisees and Sadducees, yet His understanding of even that which they supposedly wrote, was it not beyond theirs? Was it not the same scriptures that they used in deceiving the people that Jesus Christ read the Truth of the Prophets out of causing ev3n the very Teachers of the Law to marvel?
Jesus is the wisdom of God, comparing him with yourself is another level of dishonesty.
Even on this thread you don't even know God chose a day for fasting.
Besides, my point about scholars is that they understand how every words were USED and can give their opinions.
Do you?
You don't have to go back to the Hebrew or greek scripts to understand the Word of God. You simply have to do as God commands and He, again, commmands that you start by using the little understanding you have, promising that when you do, more will be given you.
I didn't say you should go back but if you think their opinions should be disragarded then you can do your own translation because if you trust and rely on their translations then their opinions should be matter too.
God said in Jeremiah 31, that unlike the Old Covenant method, in His New Agreement, He alone will Teach those who follow Him about Himself. Jesus Christ repeated this when He declared that He alone is Teacher and Shepherd over His flock. If you don't believe what God said, it's you and if you don't believe what Jesus Christ said, its also you.
You're still confusing yourself, after Isaiah 58 many people still fasted which is ABSTINENCE FROM FOOD, that's the point I'm making here.
No where in the scripture FASTING ever equate to what Isaiah 58 addressed which means you're the one who got the interpretation wrong.
My point again is that FASTING has always be ABSTINENCE FROM FOOD.
This is the point I'm still knocking into your skull. God in Isaiah 58 didn't REDEFINE fasting but rather address the issue of their wrong ATTITUDE during fasting.
Even after I quoted ERV for you, this shows that it's a deliberate attempt to mislead yourself not what the word of God say.
No I'll continue to fast the way people and Jesus himself did which is abstinence from food.
Nothing like old covenant DEFINITION of fasting, that's intellectual dishonesty.
FASTING ONLY has one meaning which is abstinence from food but wrong attitudes and action can make it becomes starving yourself which is what God addressed in Isaiah 58.
Just as I asked the other person above, do you think Jesus can't be fed miraculously for that 40days in the wilderness?
This is the evidence that FASTING is abstinence from food but you people just decided to attach your own meaning to it.
So during the 40 days of Jesus Christ in the wilderness, was He doing what God said in Isaiah 58? You can see that you just decided to twist that chapter.
Jesus is the wisdom of God, comparing him with yourself is another level of dishonesty.
Even on this thread you don't even know God chose a day for fasting.
Besides, my point about scholars is that they understand how every words were USED and can give their opinions.
Do you?
I didn't say you should go back but if you think their opinions should be disragarded then you can do your own translation because if you trust and rely on their translations then their opinions should be matter too.
You're still confusing yourself, after Isaiah 58 many people still fasted which is ABSTINENCE FROM FOOD, that's the point I'm making here.
No where in the scripture FASTING ever equate to what Isaiah 58 addressed which means you're the one who got the interpretation wrong.
My point again is that FASTING has always be ABSTINENCE FROM FOOD.
Old Covenant Law of Moses is intellectual dishonesty.
Again...
Kobojunkie: Again... God in Isaiah 58 redefined for us what our fasting should be about. If you don't want to believe it, it is your choice to continue fasting the way you choose.
2. The Old Covenant definition of fasting written of in Leviticus 16, is only valid for only one particular day of the year to those who are of the blood of Jacob (and the foreigners who live in the land of canaan with them). Anyone who is of Jesus Christ that seeks to fast refusing God's prescription in Isaiah 58 is deceiving self.
3. What is written in Isaiah 58 is clear that even a primary school student does not have to struggle in understanding what God says there. I know the reason you wrestle against it is because it goes against the traditions you are used to and that problem can only be resolved by your letting go of that for God..
Jesus Christ fasted as a result of being out in the wilderness for 40 straight days, same way Moses, the Law Giver also did before Him. There is no record of Him, jesus Christ, fasting again after that for over 3 years. The Pharisees tagged Him a glutton and a wine bibber for His habits instead. Would Jesus Christ contradict God? Nope, He didn't do any of that, it seems.
4. When Jesus Christ was on earth, did He not read from the very same scrolls that were translated by the Pharisees and Sadducees, yet His understanding of even that which they supposedly wrote, was it not beyond theirs? Was it not the same scriptures that they used in deceiving the people that Jesus Christ read the Truth of the Prophets out of causing ev3n the very Teachers of the Law to marvel?
You don't have to go back to the Hebrew or greek scripts to understand the Word of God. You simply have to do as God commands and He, again, commmands that you start by using the little understanding you have, promising that when you do, more will be given you.
God said in Jeremiah 31, that unlike the Old Covenant method, in His New Agreement, He alone will Teach those who follow Him about Himself. Jesus Christ repeated this when He declared that He alone is Teacher and Shepherd over His flock. If you don't believe what God said, it's you and if you don't believe what Jesus Christ said, its also you.
While yours is delusions couple with lies and ignorance. I will continue to expose your lying mouth and dubious attitudes! @color FASTING never associated with abstinence from food RATHER fasting means abstinence from food. Ole!Ignorance Jesus never FASTED yet was hungry after staying without FOOD.Can you see your ignorance in action?Even according to your demonic organization, there is a purpose people of God stay away from food and it was stated clearly that Jesus FASTED but now you're even contradicting yourself organization, do you think the same God's Holy Spirit can't feed Jesus in the wilderness? Don't derail the thread, if you want to learn I can help you by opening your own thread on that.I'm still exposing your lies, wrong accusation and ignorance about FASTING here.Can you see your life of lack of stupidity outside?If Jesus never stipulated from what time to what time is fasting, then why condemning the woman for choosing to fast for 10days?This proves me right once again that FASTING is abstinence from food, which you're trying hard to twist since.I know with much press on your dull skull, you'll begin to contradict yourself.Rather Jesus called your father the Devil, father of lies, thief and killer.Yes she's dead and many people died doing God's will.But remember your people are dying in their stupidity for refusing blood. Yes ooo! because the same followers know how many of your members your father the Devil has killed through refusing blood.
Kobojunkie: Old Covenant Law of Moses is intellectual dishonesty.
Again...
So it's MOSES who wrote Isaiah 58, you see the reason why I said you lost in your own thoughts on this thread.
The fact still remains that God never REDEFINE FAST that's your own twisted word. God only addressed their wrong attitudes.
Fasting still remains one thing which is abstinence from food and that's why Jesus can be in wilderness for 40days without food, likewise John the Baptist and even Apostle Paul and Barnabas.
I can see you couldn't address my question:
Was Jesus going about doing what God said in Isaiah 58 concerning fasting according to your own interpretation of that verse in the wilderness?
Do you then agree that, it means Jesus disobeyed God for not fasting according to instructions on fasting in Isaiah 58?
So it's MOSES who wrote Isaiah 58, you see the reason why I said you lost in your own thoughts on this thread.
The fact still remains that God never REDEFINE FAST that's your own twisted word. God only addressed their wrong attitudes.
Fasting still remains one thing which is abstinence from food and that's why Jesus can be in wilderness for 40days without food, likewise John the Baptist and even Apostle Paul and Barnabas.
I can see you couldn't address my question:
Was Jesus going about doing what God said in Isaiah 58 concerning fasting according to your own interpretation of that verse in the wilderness?
Do you then agree that, it means Jesus disobeyed God for not fasting according to instructions on fasting in Isaiah 58?
so how does this..
Kobojunkie: Old Covenant Law of Moses is intellectual dishonesty. Again...
woman, Joy Owoyele, has died in the Isheri Olofin area of Lagos State after fasting for 10 days.
Owoyele was on a 14-day fast but collapsed on the 10th day at the Christ Apostolic Church, Ori-Oke Gbogunmi, aka Ajanpelenbe Mountain, located on Pipeline Road, Isheri Olofin.
It was gathered that Owoyele had sought spiritual help regarding her matrimonial challenges.
The resident pastor, Alfred Sunday, told Punch that after Owoyele lost consciousness during the spiritual exercise, she was rushed to the Igando General Hospital for treatment, adding that she died in the process.
Sunday said, “She came for prayers and nothing more. Before the day of the incident, we held a vigil and she was fine. Her fasting was supposed to be for 14 days, but the incident happened on the 10th day. God is my witness, there is nothing hidden here.
“Her daughter, Oluwatise, was also with her in the church during the spiritual exercise and they always slept together. The incident happened around 7am. I was praying on the altar when one of the church members informed me that she had passed out.
“When I moved closer to assess her, I observed that she could not stand up and when I called her name, she answered faintly. We had to rush her to the Igando General Hospital for treatment, but she died.”
The pastor explained that he went to the Idimu Police Station to report the incident, adding that during investigation, the police detained him and the General Overseer of the church.
He stated, “When I reported the incident, the police took my statement and that of the victim’s daughter. But the General Overseer and I were detained for three days and the police also visited the church to conduct an investigation.
“But the family insisted on not pressing any charge and after the police investigation, we were released. I met with the woman’s family immediately after the incident and they accepted what happened as fate.
“During the spiritual exercise, she was fasting and praying, and usually broke her fast with honey and water. But on the 10th day, she became very weak and we had to rush her to hospital to save her, but she died.
“After the incident, we insist that anyone embarking on fasting and prayer in the church must break with pap instead of honey and water that we usually use. Anyone who refuses won’t be allowed to embark on the spiritual exercise in the church.”
Further findings revealed that the family was making plans to convey the victim’s remains from the Yaba General Hospital mortuary to her hometown in Ekiti State for the burial rites.
A source, however said Owoyele had been fasting and praying on her own over her failed marriage before she sought spiritual help in the church.
“The woman’s daughter said she was in the habit of running from pillar to post in search of spiritual help so that her husband, who had abandoned her and her daughter for seven years, could return,” the source said.
When contacted, the state Police Public Relations Officer, Muyiwa Adejobi, said the circumstances surrounding Owoyele’s death were sudden and unnatural, adding that investigation was still ongoing.
Adejobi stated, “On Saturday, April 24, 2021, around 11.50am, one Alfred Sunday reported that one Joy Owoyele, 30, came to his church, CAC Ori-Oke Gbogunmi, aka Ajanpelebe Mountain, in Isheri Olofin, for prayers on April 14, 2021.
“Around 7am on the day of the incident, Owoyele fainted and was rushed to the Igando General Hospital, where she was pronounced dead.
“Detectives led by Inspector Bridget Edosa visited the scene, inspected the corpse and deposited it in the Yaba General Hospital morgue for autopsy. The case is under investigation.”
OpenYourEyes1 post=90574467: The more I eat (esp bad foods) the less I hear, feel or see.
The less I eat (eating good foods mostly) the more I hear, feel or see
I fast (sometimes fruit fast) while reading/listening to the Word of GOD.
I feel healthier and stronger in the Spirit after fasting, praying and constantly reading/listening to the Word of GOD.
Stop feeding your flesh too much
ZKOSOSO: Lengthy fasting of 21 days and above often open me up for some revelations about life.
The more u fast often, the more you access deeper things around your spiritual environment
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT ANYONE ON THAT THREAD KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT FASTING, AND MERELY PARROTED WHAT THEY HAD HEARD OTHERS SAY ABOUT FASTING TO MAKE US THINK THEY KNEW SOMETHING.
FASTING properly starts from going 72 hours without eating, nor drinking anything besides fresh water.
Eating Fruits, or drinking Juices, Teas, or Salt Solutions is not Fasting.
"DRY" Fasting, going without food and water is extremely dangerous and can kill you in as little as a week!
An excerpt of a Health Manual I once read told of an Oyinbo Miner, trapped underground for five days, only able to get dirty water to drink, who, upon escaping, was given a meat sandwich to eat (probably HAM,) and died shortly.
I know one idiot, who Dry-Fasted three days for the first time, and broke it with a three-penny loaf of bread, a leg of chicken, and a bottle of Coke (a beverage that should be brought before the World Court as an undeclared War-Crime- in my opinion!) and nearly died the fourth day. Well, it felt like he was going to die at the time! (You do get that, when I said "one idiot," I meant myself, right?)
THE BREAK-FAST IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE FAST!
The Alimentary Canal begins to into hibernation after food is not put into it for 72 hours.
It takes an equal length of time to restore It to complete functionality again, and this process cannot be hurried, nor modified in any way, without repercussions.
You can cause yourself serious health-problems, or even kill yourself, just by eating the wrong thing after Fasting for as little as 24 hours.
To be honest, I don't know what normal food could kill you after a 24-hour Fast- it should take 72 hours to begin to worry about that- but a wrong Break-Fast after 24 hours can cause a Hormonal imbalance, that can trigger OBESITY, DIABETES, or HYPERTENSION.
[See: THE HORMONE-RESET DIET: Heal your Metabolism to lose 15 pounds in 21 days, by Sara Gottfried.]
It turns out that there are seven categories of foods, and hormones are managed by staying on that diet for a minimum of 72 hours.
Therefore, what you break your Fast with is extremely important.
.LEVITICUS 17:11.
11. "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon The Altar to make an Atonement for your Souls: for it is the blood that maketh an Atonement for the Soul."
WITHOUT NUTRIENT OF ANY KIND FOR 72 HOURS, THE VILLI OF THE STOMACH AND INTESTINES GO INTO HIBERNATION.
No more Gastric Juice is produced, and therefore one no longer feels hungry.
Petty and malicious people pretend to be severely suffering from Fasting over three days. They are lying.
Those who take snacks, juices, teas, salts, and confectionary prevent the villi from sleeping, so they will continue to feel hungry for the duration.
That may be the least of their problems.
As much as 50% of the blood supply is engaged in digesting meals. In Fasting, this blood goes elsewhere in the body, eliminating toxins, repairing damage, healing diseases, and oxygenating the brain.
This can cause radical Spiritual and Mental Breakthroughs.
Hallucinatory Visions and Voices are naturally associated with "Dry" Fasting, and may be true Spiritual Visions, Real Mental Breakthroughs, Devilish Deceptions, or simple Delusions.
I had my first and only radical Spiritual Revelation/Mental Breakthrough some 36 years ago, during a week of Intermittent Fasting, which never happened again, despite Fasting longer- up to 32 days- with adequate hydration.
People can "Dry Fast" for prolonged periods beyond the 7-10 day limit, in humid environments, such as the tops of mountains and caves, achieving their daily minimum requirement by inhalation and through the skin.
This could explain how the Prophet Muhammad could "Dry Fast" for 30 days and 30 nights, while some of his followers surely killed themselves trying to imitate him.
Deceiving Muslims as to the true nature of Fasting is a Seed of Its eventual destruction.
You should find that you need less sleep after Fasting for more than 240 hours. As little as four hours.
It is recommended that you sleep as long as you can, and to be asleep between 10pm and 2am, because major Bodily Healing takes place at that time.
As many as 98% of Diseases and Ailments are cured by Fasting of sufficient duration.
YOU MAY NEVER EXPERIENCE AS GREAT BENEFIT FROM A LONG FAST OF 240, 480, 720, or 960 HOURS DURATION, AS THE FIRST TIME YOU SO DID.
You must always fully recover from one long Fast before taking another.
You must ensure that you have replenished all the Vitamins and Minerals lost in a Fast, before starting another.
Especially the Water-Soluble Vitamins (B-Complex and C). It is not helpful to take Vitamins and Minerals while Fasting.
A person of normal weight has enough Body Fat to Fast safely for forty days.
NEVER FAST TO YOUR MAXIMUM FOR YOUR FIRST LONG FAST: GET USED TO FASTING 3, THEN 7, THEN 10 DAYS, BEFORE TRYING FOR 14, 21, 28, OR 40 DAYS!
After 24 hours without eating you will get progressively weaker, until about the 7th day, when you will begin to get progressively stronger, until the 14th day or so, where your strength may max out as higher than before your Fast.
You will be capable of great feats of strength and endurance, but it will be foolhardy to exert yourself, because all your power is coming from Fat Metabolism, so that if you use too much on your muscles, your organs will suffer- and it may be too late before you find out.
You may be able to beat your records Sprinting, or Walking, but Marathon-Running, or Fighting should be a Suicide-Mission!
THE SPIRITUAL IMPLICATIONS OF FASTING.
.DEUTERONOMY 6:1-9.
NOW these are The Commandments, The Statutes, and The Judgments, Which The LORD your God Commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess It: 2. That thou mightest fear The LORD thy God, to keep all His Statutes and His Commandments, Which I Command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged. 3. Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do (It); that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey. 4. Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: 5. And thou shalt love The LORD thy God with all thine Heart, and with all thy Soul, and with all thy might. 6. And these Words, which I Command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: 7. And thou shalt teach Them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of Them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. 8. And thou shalt bind Them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. 9. And thou shalt write Them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
LIFE COMES FROM FULFILLING THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD: EATING PHYSICAL FOOD IS ONLY THE LEAST OPTION OF FULFILLING THE COMMANDMENT TO FEED OURSELVES.
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BEFORE LEARNING TO FEED ON THE WORD OF GOD ALONE: ONE SHOULD HAVE PRACTICED FEEDING FROM THE ON-BOARD FAT RESERVE.
.LEVITICUS 7:22-25.
22. And The LORD Spake unto Moses, Saying,
23. "Speak unto the Children of Israel, saying,
'YE SHALL EAT NO MANNER OF FAT, OF OX, OR OF SHEEP, OR OF GOAT.'
24. 'And the fat of the beast that dieth of itself, and the fat of that which is torn with beasts, may be used in any other use: but ye shall in no wise eat of it. 25. "For whosoever eateth the fat of the beast, of which men offer an Offering made by Fire unto The LORD, even the soul that eateth it shall be cut off from his people."
IT IS THE DUTY OF THE SERVANT OF GOD TO SERVE HIM WITH ALL THEIR MIGHT: FAT ACCUMULATION COMES FROM MIGHT THAT WAS USED TO SERVE NO ONE.
FASTING is therefore the use of "MIGHT" that was rightfully owed to God, to serve Him.
THE SPIRITUAL ENERGY RESERVE IS USED TO DO EVERYTHING WE DO IN OUR LIVES.
If we forego anything in our lives, that Spiritual Energy becomes available to do something else- Material or Spiritual.
That is how Fasting enhances Spirituality.
By the fourth day of a Fast, one usually has enough Spiritual Energy saved to disconnect from any Habit- such as Alcohol, Tobacco, Heroin, or other Narcotics.
The "COLD TURKEY" Narcotics Withdrawal method involves locking up an addict for three days- whether they like it or not.
By the fourth day, they will no longer be addicted. Even if they do not die- no matter what they tell you during the three days.
If they did not undergo this procedure willingly, you might die, from being so helpful.
THE BREAK-FAST IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF FASTING.
250mls of 50% Diluted Citrus Juice is best for the first three days' meals.
Then three days of full-strength fruit juice.
Then three days of fruit. Not Bananas.
Then three days of Raw Vegetables.
Then three days of soft-boiled vegetables.
No milk, fish, or meat, at least for the same number of days you Fasted.
There are important Harmless Bacteria that live in the Alimentary Canal, that prevent harmful Bacteria from growing on your moist, internal flesh.
After 72 hours of Fasting, those Bacteria die off, and have to be replaced carefully.
Sugar and Protein guarantee that the wrong ones will grow on you.
MILK CANNOT BE USED TO BREAK A FAST, FOR THIS VERY REASON!
Especially research the Break-Fast from people who have actually done it.
[See: ATOMIC POWER WITH GOD Thru Prayer and Fasting, by Franklin Hall. THE MIRACLE OF FASTING, by Paul and Patricia Bragg.]
IT IS DIFFICULT TO CATCH COLD WHILE FASTING- STILL DRESS WARMLY.
AFTER 72 HOURS OF FASTING, IT IS MANDATORY THAT YOU DRINK A MINIMUM OF 1.25 LITRES OF FRESH WATER EACH DAY- WHETHER YOU FEEL LIKE IT, OR NOT- FAILURE TO COMPLY CAN KILL YOU IN AS QUICKLY AS 5-7 DAYS!
All your daily requirement does not have to be consumed at a single sitting.
The usual cause of death is Kidney-Failure. I know of two Pastors who went on 7-day "Dry" Fasts, who died the 7th Day- pissing blood.
The idiot I mentioned earlier broke a ten day Fast on AMARANTH "SOUP" (from boiling Tété Green Vegetable).
He was in no distress, and his Urine samples was transparently colourless.
Microscopic Analysis showed a maximum load of CALCIUM OXALATE CRYSTALS (consistent with that type of vegetable,) and BLOOD.
This is the Urinary equivalent of EATING GROUND GLASS.
If I... uh, the idiot had continued with the Vegetable, he should have died. DO NOT MODIFY THE BREAK-FAST INSTRUCTIONS.
Do not believe the HUMAN GARBAGE who claim to have Fasted over three days, and broke their Fast with ORDINARY Food!
YOUR DOCTOR WILL NOT HELP YOU TO FAST: DOCTORS ARE TRAINED TO WATCH YOU DIE OF DISEASES THEY KNOW FASTING WILL CURE!
Such as MALARIA, and CANCER.
THE PRIMARY EFFECT OF FASTING IS THE RADICAL DETOXIFICATION OF THE BODY.
Poisonous byproducts of food, medicines, illnesses, environmental pollutants, build up in the body, and impair its functionality, when they accumulate faster than they can be excreted.
There are two types of toxins:
(1) THOSE SOLUBLE IN WATER.
(2) THOSE SOLUBLE IN OIL.
Those soluble in oil accumulate in the body fat, and stay there more or less permanently, unless that fat is also removed.
This is why DRY FASTING is so dangerous to Humans: as the Body Fat is broken down for energy, after 72 hours of Fasting, these toxins are released into the bloodstream, and have nowhere to go, because there is too little or no bowel movement, urination, nor perspiration.
If freed from the task of digesting meals, and given enough water to work with, the bloodstream can remove so much of these toxic products, that it begins to excrete them faster than they can accumulate.
This generally takes a minimum of 240 hours of Fasting.
They need not necessarily be sustained at once. Hence the value of the so-called "INTERMITTENT FASTING."
Which I do not recommend to anyone who has not studied up on Its positive and negative effects.
.DEUTERONOMY 28:53-57.
53. And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which The LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee: 54. So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave: 55. So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates. 56. The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter, 57. And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.
DURING FASTING, THE BODY FEEDS UPON ITS OWN ABNORMALITIES AND FOREIGN BODIES SUCH AS BACTERIA AND VIRUSES.
If you are on a medication, Fasting may cure you, or it may endanger your life. Your Doctor will never help you to Fast: if caught, they will lose their license to practice medicine.
Not only are they trained to watch you die, without telling you that Fasting could cure you, literally ike a Vulture, but they are also trained in how to kill you, if they catch you Fasting- and say that your weird practice of Fasting killed you.
Can you stop people before except your deluded brothers and sisters?
But whether you like it or not food is good for the body!
Sure because the body was made to survive on food but depriving the same body food sometimes is what scripture supported and practiced by many true servants of God.
Nothing like old covenant DEFINITION of fasting, that's intellectual dishonesty.
The book of Levitucus contains definition of Laws that are part of the Old Covenant Law of Moses which God Himself declared an agreement between Him, God, and only those of the Blood of Jacob... gentile world were excluded by God Himself from that very agreement.
Kobojunkiee: The book of Levitucus contains definition of Laws that are part of the Old Covenant Law of Moses which God Himself declared an agreement between Him, God, and only those of the Blood of Jacob... gentile world were excluded by God Himself from that very agreement.
So how is this AN OLD COVENANT LAW OF MOSES ON FAST according to you?
kobojunkie: 2. The Old Covenant definition of fasting written of in Leviticus 16, is only valid for only one particular day of the year to those who are of the blood of Jacob (and the foreigners who live in the land of canaan with them). Anyone who is of Jesus Christ that seeks to fast refusing God's in Isaiah 58, is deceiving self. undecided
Old Covenant Law of Moses is intellectual dishonesty.
emusan: Nothing like old covenant DEFINITION of fasting, that's intellectual dishonesty.
FASTING ONLY has one meaning which is abstinence from food but wrong attitudes and action can make it becomes starving yourself which is what God addressed in Isaiah 58.
The book of Levitucus contains definition of Laws that are part of the Old Covenant Law of Moses which God Himself declared an agreement between Him, God, and only those of the Blood of Jacob... gentile world were excluded by God Himself from that very agreement.
I did not write the Old Covenant Law of Moses... Moses did.
Kobojunkiee: Again... I did not write the Old Covenant Law of Moses... Moses did.
Then does this mean FASTING isn't abstinence from food and people don't deprive their body food after Isaiah 58 was written, which is the basis of our discussion or what is your point here?
Then does this mean FASTING isn't abstinence from food and people don't deprive their body food after Isaiah 58 was written, which is the basis of our discussion or what is your point here?
The Law God gave His people in Leviticus 16 states that for one day a year, the people should abstain from food in order to atone for their sins. That Law applied to just those who are of the blood of Jacob.
Over time, the people adopted their own ideas and days of fasting in addition to that which God commanded, and we know it is directly against God's command to add or remove from God's Law. So, logically, for me at least, Isaiah 58 is God's response to the people on this issue, it seems.
Kobojunkiee: The Law God gave His people in Leviticus 16 states that for one day a year, the people should abstain from food in order to atone for their sins. That Law applied to just those who are of the blood of Jacob.
The main point established @color which means fast = abstinence from food.
Which then put all your previous posts to be a LIE FROM THE PIT OF HELL because your initial claims have been God doesn't want people to STARVE THEMSELVES.
But let me address this
Over time, the people adopted their own ideas and days of fasting in addition to that which God commanded, and we know it is directly against God's command to add or remove from God's Law. So, logically, for me at least, Isaiah 58 is God's response to the people on this issue, it seems.
The way you keep hammering on that Isaiah 58, one will think you understand what you're saying.
"3 They say, “We fast to show honor to you. Why don’t you see us? We starve our bodies to show honor to you. Why don’t you notice us?” But God says, “You do things to please yourselves on those special DAYS of fasting. And you punish your servants, not your own bodies. 4 You are hungry, but not for food. You are hungry for arguing and fighting, not for bread. You are hungry to hit people with your evil hands. This is not the way to fast if you want your prayers to be heard in heaven! ERV
Comparing the two @underlined statements, you'll see that God isn't against if you chose to fast on that said DAY (Lev 16) or you chose the fasting on any DAY for your own reason because God didn't condemn the DAY they FASTED BUT THE WAY THEY ARE FASTING.
so, what God wants is that, do the right thing when FASTING so that your prayers will be heard in heaven.
The main point established @color which means fast = abstinence from food.
Which then put all your previous posts to be a LIE FROM THE PIT OF HELL because your initial claims have been God doesn't want people to STARVE THEMSELVES.
But let me address this The way you keep hammering on that Isaiah 58, one will think you understand what you're saying.
"3 They say, “We fast to show honor to you. Why don’t you see us? We starve our bodies to show honor to you. Why don’t you notice us?” But God says, “You do things to please yourselves on those special DAYS of fasting. And you punish your servants, not your own bodies. 4 You are hungry, but not for food. You are hungry for arguing and fighting, not for bread. You are hungry to hit people with your evil hands. This is not the way to fast if you want your prayers to be heard in heaven! ERV
Comparing the two @underlined statements, you'll see that God isn't against if you chose to fast on that said DAY (Lev 16) or you chose the fasting on any DAY for your own reason because God didn't condemn the DAY they FASTED BUT THE WAY THEY ARE FASTING.
so, what God wants is that, do the right thing when FASTING so that your prayers will be heard in heaven.
I am afraid all you are still doing is rambling at this point... again..
Kobojunkiee: The Law God gave His people in Leviticus 16 states that for one day a year, the people should abstain from food in order to atone for their sins. That Law applied to just those who are of the blood of Jacob.
Over time, the people adopted their own ideas and days of fasting in addition to that which God commanded, and we know it is directly against God's command to add or remove from God's Law. So, logically, for me at least, Isaiah 58 is God's response to the people on this issue, it seems.
The simple fact is that you lied that God didn't ask people to deprive themselves food.
I didn't lie!
I have no reason to LIE about such since it does not change or remove from any of what I have said on God defining, for His people, the kind of fasting He would rather have.
Also, Isaiah 58 is by no means a doing away of, or changing in any form the Old Covenant law defined in Leviticus 16 , which again, is a single day out of every year set aside for the atonement of sins. Every other time God has been seen to make changes to any of His old laws, He has approached it by swearing By His name, something He did not do here in Isaiah 58, meaning that Isaiah 58 is likely not about the definition given in Leviticus 16 but that which is not a part of His Law at all.
I have no reason to LIE about such since it does not change or remove from any of what I have said on God defining, for His people, the kind of fasting He would rather have.
You're still lying despite exposing your lying mouth here.
Didn't you claim that God never instructed anyone to starve him/herself body's?
Also, Isaiah 58 is by no means a doing away of, or changing in any form the Old Covenant law defined in Leviticus 16 , which again, is a single day out of every year set aside for the atonement of sins. Every other time God has been seen to make changes to any of His old laws, He has approached it by swearing By His name, something He did not do here in Isaiah 58, meaning that Isaiah 58 is likely not about the definition given in Leviticus 16 but that which is not a part of His Law at all.
You keep perambulating about Isaiah when you don't even have the knowledge to grab the message.
If God is against FASTING as not according to the commandment of Lev 16 and REDEFINED it as you claimed in Isaiah, why the same God answered Daniel's prayer who fasted by starving himself for 21days?
