patrickmuf:
Are they not spending? Is this even up for debate?

Yes, they are spending. Mapami

Rodri is not even better than McTom as a DM...He is better at recycling possession but at other aspects, he isn't but no, let's trash our own options to push an agenda...

TheLequte:


Yes, they are spending.

Thank God you know...

An injury to Bruno, and all these arrogance will fall.

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GloryIsaac:


Fernandinho swaps with Rodri.

The problem here is you people are seeing this as an Olé argument.

No wahala sha... keep comparing United and City squads.

Is you who claim they have a larger and better squad...We are only telling you it's not true...

CapitalCee:


Irrespective of Greenwood development, If Haaland os not gotten for a €75m buy out clause, then the team is not ready to win anything.

When are we ever going to learn not to sign players just for signing sake?

Hi Alexis Sanchez

GloryIsaac:
An injury to Bruno, and all these arrogance will fall.

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Pogba, Sancho, VDB can easily deputize for Bruno...It's up to Ole to find the right balance to cover for his absence...

If I ask you who replace KDB today, you'll struggle to tell me and if you do, was it a like for like replacement? No...Every player come with their own qualities, it's up to the manager to set up to bring out the best in his players...

TheLequte:


When are we ever going to learn not to sign players just for signing sake?

Hi Alexis Sanchez

If Pep signs him now you will come here to say they have a better team...

patrickmuf:
Rodri is not even better than McTom as a DM...He is better at recycling possession but at other aspects, he isn't but no, let's trash our own options to push an agenda...

McTominay is not a DM at all so you are very wrong on this one. McTominay is a CM. This is not about trashing our players to make the manager look good. I no send the manager but that does not mean one should make emotional statements.

For team that dominates possession that recycling possession that you so easily glossed over is the most important role of a DM. Rodri as a DM is better than all our players bar Matic whose spirit is willing but body is weak.

patrickmuf:
Collapse how? Pogba, Sancho and VDB can do a job in that position...

I like how you say Ole has only Matic while Pep has Fernandinho who is older than Matic but no, no need to mention his age to push your agenda and Rodri...If you co spider Rodri, I wonder why McTom can't be in the mention...

We have a large squad too...You guys will trash our players just to make those of City look to good...Abegi!

Do you know what will solve this argument Patrick?

List city’s defense, midfield and striker options. Do same for Man Utd. One player can appear in 2 positions. He’s an option.

Next, rank all of these players for all these positions.

This will make things way clearer.

GloryIsaac:


Fernandinho swaps with Rodri.

The problem here is you people are seeing this as an Olé argument.

No wahala sha... keep comparing United and City squads.

Not Oles argument, when we talk about City's depth we shout as if the players are aliens. It is just that Pep use them. Fernandinho is 36 years old and Rodri is not that a top player.

GloryIsaac:


Nah, can’t afford to pressure him, lest turns into another Januzaj.

United has to bring in that robot, Haaland.

There isn’t pressure on Greenwood sef. Bruno does that. Pogba too. Rashford. And with Sancho coming in, he won’t have that kind of pressure on him.

Januzaj was Man Utd’s savior then. Greenwood won’t shoulder that much responsibility because he has quality around him.

TheLequte:


When are we ever going to learn not to sign players just for signing sake?

Hi Alexis Sanchez

If we can get Haaland for 75m we absolutely have to get him. That would be a cheaper gamble than Maguire with potentially exponentially greater returns.
Cavani would be leaving and we can offload James as well. Martial, Rashford, Sancho, Greenwood, Haaland is not a bad collective.

GloryIsaac:


Fernandinho swaps with Rodri. Matic swaps with McFred.

Which means when Matic doesn’t play, United loses an extra man

Not sure Rodri is a perfect DM though. Until he plays in a different system before we can make that conclusion. We all know Pep’s system makes an average player look world class.

patrickmuf:
If Pep signs him now you will come here to say they have a better team...

LooL. You’re funny.

patrickmuf:
Rodri is not even better than McTom as a DM...He is better at recycling possession but at other aspects, he isn't but no, let's trash our own options to push an agenda...

Exactly. I am not sure he is a fantastic player like that.

GloryIsaac:
An injury to Bruno, and all these arrogance will fall.

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This is not true. We have a very squad and players that can hold the Fort. Let’s stop this thing abeg.

nitrogen:


Not sure Rodri is a perfect DM though. Until he plays in a different system before we can make that conclusion. We all know Pep’s system makes an average player look world class.

He was okay in the defensive bus parking system of Cholo and has been okay in the diametrically opposed possession based highline of Pep.

He might not be world class but apart from Matic we don't have anybody of that level at DM.

afrodoc2:


If we can get Haaland for 75m we absolutely have to get him. That would be a cheaper gamble than Maguire with potentially exponentially greater returns.
Cavani would be leaving and we can offload James as well. Martial, Rashford, Sancho, Greenwood, Haaland is not a bad collective.

Thing is we can’t get Haaland for 75. Haaland is shinier than Sancho and see how much we got for Sancho from the same club.

TheLequte:


Do you know what will solve this argument Patrick?

List city’s defense, midfield and striker options. Do same for Man Utd. One player can appear in 2 positions. He’s an option.

Next, rank all of these players for all these positions.

This will make things way clearer.

I have done that already.

CBs.

City : Laporte, Dias, Stones and Ake.
Utd: Varane, Maguire, Lindelof and Bailly.

RB/LB.
City: Walker/Cancelo ; Zinchenko/Mendy.
Utd: . ; AWB/Dalot ; Shaw/Telles.

Midfield:
City: Gundogan, Rodri, Fernandinho, KDB, Foden and Bernado Silva.
Utd: Pogba, Bruno, Mctoms, Fred, Matic, VDB

Attack:
City: Jesus, Torres, Grealish, Mahrez, Sterling
Utd : Sancho, Rashford, Martial, Greenwood, Cavani and James.

Tell yourself the truth, look at that Backline can you confidently say Dias and Stones are better than Maguire and Varane. Their back ups are Ake and Laporte while we have Lindelof and Bailly.

In fullbacks we have Shaw and Telles while they have Mendy and Zinchenko. Then they are better here with Walker and Cancelo.

In Midfield: Bruno and Pogba can match KDB and Gundogan any day any time. We have VDB they have Foden, they have Fernandinho and Rodri we have Mcfred.

Our attack as you can see is Clearly better than their own, even not including the Bruno tax.

afrodoc2:


McTominay is not a DM at all so you are very wrong on this one. McTominay is a CM. This is not about trashing our players to make the manager look good. I no send the manager but that does not mean one should make emotional statements.

For team that dominates possession that recycling possession that you so easily glossed over is the most important role of a DM. Rodri as a DM is better than all our players bar Matic whose spirit is willing but body is weak.

Doc, that's just one position...

TheLequte:


Thing is we can’t get Haaland for 75. Haaland is shinier than Sancho and see how much we got for Sancho from the same club.

The feeling was also good going into the Sanchez signing. And Mkhi too. Until they arrived and started playing below expectations.

If we’re going for a top shiny player, it has to be in a position that we really need.

I’m not 100% convinced about the Haaland sef.

Look at Raphinha!

TheLequte:


Thing is we can’t get Haaland for 75. Haaland is shinier than Sancho and see how much we got for Sancho from the same club.

He has a release clause. Nothing Dortmund can do about it if he does not sign a new contract.

CapitalCee:


I have done that already.

CBs.

City : Laporte, Dias, Stones and Ake.
Utd: Varane, Maguire, Lindelof and Bailly.

RB/LB.
City: Walker/Cancelo ; Zinchenko/Mendy.
Utd: . ; AWB/Dalot ; Shaw/Telles.

Midfield:
City: Gundogan, Rodri, Fernandinho, KDB, Foden and Bernado Silva.
Utd: Pogba, Bruno, Mctoms, Fred, Matic, VDB

Attack:
City: Jesus, Torres, Grealish, Mahrez, Sterling
Utd : Sancho, Rashford, Martial, Greenwood, Cavani and James.

Tell yourself the truth, look at that Backline can you confidently say Dias and Stones are better than Maguire and Varane. Their back ups are Ake and Laporte while we have Lindelof and Bailly.

In fullbacks we have Shaw and Telles while they have Mendy and Zinchenko. Then they are better here with Walker and Cancelo.

In Midfield: Bruno and Pogba can match KDB and Gundogan any day any time. We have VDB they have Foden, they have Fernandinho and Rodri we have Mcfred.

Our attack as you can see is Clearly better than their own, even not including the Bruno tax.

No. You haven’t done that.

Now, rank all the players on one scale for all positions. For all positions.

For DM position now, the contenders will be Matic, VDB, Rodri, Fred, Fernandinho, etc.

A combined 50, if you may.

afrodoc2:


He has a release clause. Nothing Dortmund can do about it if he does not sign a new contract.

Alright. It’s a fantastic deal if that’s true.

afrodoc2:


McTominay is not a DM at all so you are very wrong on this one. McTominay is a CM. This is not about trashing our players to make the manager look good. I no send the manager but that does not mean one should make emotional statements.

For team that dominates possession that recycling possession that you so easily glossed over is the most important role of a DM. Rodri as a DM is better than all our players bar Matic whose spirit is willing but body is weak.

Doc the argument was about depth. Whether or not Mctominay or whoever is a Quintessential DM or not the fact is he is a good option any day in whatever position he plays CM/DM. These City players are not Aliens.

patrickmuf:
Doc, that's just one position...

That is not the point. i was tackling your claim that McTominay who plays mainly as a CM and box 2 box player and has limited ability to recycle the ball is a better DM than Rodri.
Rodri might not be the 2nd coming of Makalele but we have only one DM in our team and his name is not McTominay.

nitrogen:


This is not true. We have a very squad and players that can hold the Fort. Let’s stop this thing abeg.

This isn’t about holding the fort. This is about winning the league.

afrodoc2:


He was okay in the defensive bus parking system of Cholo and has been okay in the diametrically opposed possession based highline of Pep.

He might not be world class but apart from Matic we don't have anybody of that level at DM.

We both agree that he is not world class. Depending on system adopted by the manager and the confidence we have in our defenders (now that Varane is here), we can have McTom or Fred play the DM role. We don’t need a world class player for that position, in fact, there is no top DM in the market right now. Maybe Ndidi, but he is not available.

TheLequte:


No. You haven’t done that.

Now, rank all the players on one scale for all positions. For all positions.

For DM position now, the contenders will be Matic, VDB, Rodri, Fred, Fernandinho, etc.

A combined 50, if you may.

I dont get you but there is no massive gulf in class between.
Fernandinho/Rodri. And Matic/McFred.

Have you had a look at our attacking options? and their defence is not clearly better than ours, infact if we buy a good DM its finished

GloryIsaac:


This isn’t about holding the fort. This is about winning the league.

You mustn't have World class players in all positions to win the league no team have WC players in all positions even City.

I love how United fans feel when the going looks good

No difference between fans and the main team, especially on social media. Too loud.

Everyone’s suddenly forgotten how Lingard was castigated, and how fans wailed for a creative player in the team despite having Paul Pogba.

Ok.