AbuTwins:


Not everyone will see it!

How can they see it, as you are now, if you leave Islam, your loved ones and families will wage war at you for apostasy...

Kobojunkie:
Dreams, Prophecies and visions from the God of Israel ended about 1900 years; This is what the God of Israel said. Jesus Christ did not include that benefit in the package which He offered to His followers. Your dreams are not sourced from them at all.

Lols...


Just look at this verse

John 16:13
[13]However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

My God doesn't speak to one only through dreams ... He has diverse ways He speak to His people not only dreams.

AbuTwins:
Jesus had only Jewish Disciples! The Canaanite woman who came to him he almost send away because she was a Gentile. That's discriminatory and racism!
Matthew 15:26 I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel!

was Jesus racist when he called the jews whom he call the lost sheep?

The Prophet of Allah was involved in the writing of the Qur'an on patchment and leaves!

So mohamad wrote the quoran not allah right?

Jesus didn't write anything not did he authorize anything to be written!

Did allah write the Koran,

Because it contains many signs any human can't reproduce 1,445 years ago!

This is hilarious what signs?

How can the Bible be word of God? God is not the author of confusion!

Why did allah ask you confirm from the people of the book, allah is the most confused entity

Why would God need to born a son?
Did he gave birth through reproduction or adoption?

Why do you like dodging?
Do you believe Jesus when he said he is the son of God? Yes or No

BeigJawnson:


How can they see it, as you are now, if you leave Islam, your loved ones and families will wage war at you for apostasy...

I don't believe this. It's distressing for family members when one of them strays from their faith, but conflicts can arise in any religious faiths. So don't narrow it down to only Islam.

We observe individuals converting from various religions, each with their own unique story. We have Christian converts littered everywhere, alive and happy. Same we have Muslim converts everywhere too. And we have our other brothers doing fine too. I love humans.

BeigJawnson:
∆Lols...
Just look at this verse
John 16:13
[13]However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come,
He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
** My God doesn't speak to one only through dreams ... He has diverse ways He speak to His people not only dreams.

1. The Verse DOES NOT say the spirit will guide you through dreams or through visions . And God is known to have communicated to His people not only via visions and dreams.

2. In Jesus Christ, there is no promise of dreams and visions like in the Old Law where God specifically mentioned them as part of the Covenant. Rather, the Spirit of Truth is promised as a guide and a counselor who SPEAKS.

Steep:

was Jesus racist when he called the jews whom he call the lost sheep?

Racism is embracing one tribe only! Jews!

So mohamad wrote the quoran not allah right?

Muhammad is unlettered! Open your dictionary!

Did allah write the Koran

Allah revealed it to the Prophet thorough Angel Gabriel.

This is hilarious what signs?

An Unlettered man reciting a book! Is that not a sign?

Why did allah ask you confirm from the people of the book, allah is the most confused entity

Where did Allah ask us to confirm from you and what is the context of the verses?

Why do you like dodging?

You are the one always diverting the thread and i go soon report you!

Do you believe Jesus when he said he is the son of God? Yes or No

God is not human that has Penis and sperm!
So He is far above having son!

No!

Stop derailing my threads!

AbuTwins:
Racism is embracing one tribe only! Jews!

Muhammad is unlettered! Open your dictionary!

So Mohammad never wrote any book? So who wrote the Koran?

Allah revealed it to the Prophet thorough Angel Gabriel.

An Unlettered man reciting a book! Is that not a sign?

Muhammad was lettered, he did transactions for his wife. The word you Muslims translate as unlettered does not mean unlettered it means people without a book (scripture).

Where did Allah ask us to confirm from you and what is the context of the verses?

here it is. “If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt. And be not thou of those who deny the revelations of Allah, for then wert thou of the losers” (Surah 10:94-95; 16:43).

You are the one always diverting the thread and i go soon report you!

You are the one diverting, I asked you where did Jesus say he is the way for only the children of Israel at that time. You could not.

God is not human that has Penis and sperm!
So He is far above having son!

No!

Stop derailing my threads!

So are you saying a Son cannot be born without penise and sperm? So according to the Koran, how was Jesus born? Whose penis and sperm?

Kobojunkie:
1. The Verse DOES NOT say the spirit will guide you through dreams or through visions . And God is known to have communicated to His people not only via visions and dreams.

2. In Jesus Christ, there is no promise of dreams and visions like in the Old Law where God specifically mentioned them as part of the Covenant. Rather, the Spirit of Truth is promised as a guide and a counselor who SPEAKS.

Your message is blurry, you don't even understand what you are saying and how do you expect me to understand.

You talk as if you are among God's counsel in heaven. God does whatever He likes. He can speak to people through dreams/vision.

He has diverse ways of speaking to people, the God of Old testament is the same with the new testament. He never changes except you want to tell me now that the God of old testament is different from the God of new testament.

Petalss:


I don't believe this. It's distressing for family members when one of them strays from their faith, but conflicts can arise in any religious faiths. So don't narrow it down to only Islam.

We observe individuals converting from various religions, each with their own unique story. We have Christian converts littered everywhere, alive and happy. Same we have Muslim converts everywhere too. And we have our other brothers doing fine too. I love humans.

Please can you tell me the meaning of HUDUD PUNISHMENT in Islam?

BeigJawnson:



Please can you tell me the meaning of HUDUD PUNISHMENT in Islam?

Hudud punishments in Islam refer to specific punishments prescribed by Islamic law for certain crimes. These punishments are mentioned in the Quran and Hadith and include penalties such as stoning for adultery, amputation of limbs for theft, and lashes for certain offenses.

Petalss:


Hudud punishments in Islam refer to specific punishments prescribed by Islamic law for certain crimes. These punishments are mentioned in the Quran and Hadith and include penalties such as stoning for adultery, amputation of limbs for theft, and lashes for certain offenses.

What about apostasy? Are you saying no punishment for apostasy included in your own definition of Hudud punishment?

BeigJawnson:


What about apostasy? Are you saying no punishment for apostasy included in your own definition of Hudud punishment?

Ohh, sorry I didn't say that was the end of the definition on HUDUD Punishment. Definitely Apostasy punishment is included and many more

Petalss:


Ohh, sorry I didn't say that was the end of the definition on HUDUD Punishment. Definitely Apostasy punishment is included and many more

Thank you for your sincerity

BeigJawnson:


Thank you for your sincerity

Welcome my brother.
Is there any point lying in the knowledge era we are. We can always get the truth through personal research.
However, in our quest for personal research, we might get differing information about a topic (authentic and lies)

Petalss:


Welcome my brother.
Is there any point lying in the knowledge era we are. We can always get the truth through personal research.
However, in our quest for personal research, we might get differing information about a topic (authentic and lies)

But some people are not sincere...

BeigJawnson:


But some people are not sincere...

Sure. But I am not sure any Muslim would lie about punishment of Apostasy. Everybody knows, its what kind of punishment we all can dispute about.

Do you mind if we talk about it?

Petalss:


Sure. But I am not sure any Muslim would lie about punishment of Apostasy. Everybody knows, its what kind of punishment we all can dispute about.

Do you mind if we talk about it?

You can only talk for your own self and not others just becos they are also Muslims are you are... It is in this world we see Muslims betray Muslims and other faiths too do the same. You can only vouch for yourself not others ...
You ain't the first Muslim I have had talk with. They conceal many things. But I am not here to argue about the religion that is perfect. When we all die, we will know which one is the truth and the one which is falsehood.

BeigJawnson:


You can only talk for your own self and not others just becos they are also Muslims are you are... It is in this world we see Muslims betray Muslims and other faiths too do the same. You can only vouch for yourself not others ...
You ain't the first Muslim I have had talk with. They conceal many things. But I am not here to argue about the religion that is perfect. When we all die, we will know which one is the truth and the one which is falsehood.

I agree, our conversation has been constructive and devoid of argument.

God is perfect, while humans are imperfect. We don't have to wait until death to seek truth; it's essential to strive for understanding during our lives.

I comprehend your perspective, and I'm comfortable with it. Let's continue learning and coexisting peacefully. If God intended for everyone to follow one religion, it would have been simple. Instead, we're encouraged to seek and embrace the truth that resonates with us.

Peace brother

Petalss:


I agree, our conversation has been constructive and devoid of argument.

God is perfect, while humans are imperfect. We don't have to wait until death to seek truth; it's essential to strive for understanding during our lives.

I comprehend your perspective, and I'm comfortable with it. Let's continue learning and coexisting peacefully. If God intended for everyone to follow one religion, it would have been simple. Instead, we're encouraged to seek and embrace the truth that resonates with us.

Peace brother

You are very correct... God's peace be with you too... Can we further our friendship more on whatsapp?

Nice meeting you.

BeigJawnson:


You are very correct... God's peace be with you too... Can we further our friendship more on whatsapp?

Nice meeting you.

Of course.
Your number

Petalss:


Of course.
Your number

Alright...
08101048031

I am Johnson by name and you?

BeigJawnson:


Alright...
08101048031

I am Johnson by name and you?

I am Akorede

BeigJawnson:
■ Your message is blurry, you don't even understand what you are saying and how do you expect me to understand. You talk as if you are among God's counsel in heaven. God does whatever He likes. He can speak to people through dreams/vision.
■ He has diverse ways of speaking to people, the God of Old testament is the same with the new testament. He never changes except you want to tell me now that the God of old testament is different from the God of new testament.

1. God's Law is an ironclad contract that He requires men to live by, and this is to the letter, of course. He too is faithful to His contract meaning that He abides by that which He said He would do in the contract with men. In His Old Law, God specified that He would communicate only with His Prophets through visions and dreams.

6 God said, “Listen to me! You will have prophets. I, the Lord, will let them learn about me through visions. I will speak to them in dreams.
7 But Moses is not like that. He is my faithful servant—I trust him with everyone in my house.
8 When I speak to him, I talk face-to-face with him. I don’t use stories with hidden meanings—I show him clearly what I want him to know. And Moses can look at the very image of the Lord. So why were you brave enough to speak against my servant Moses?” - Numbers 12 vs 6 - 8.

He did not say everybody would be communicated with via visions and dreams. Please note this! Only those of them who had the spirit of prophecy on them could be communicated to via dreams and visions. That was how God defined this in His Old Law.

Now when it comes to Jesus Christ, Law and contact are completely different from the Old Law, there is no mention of dreams or visions, and there are no prophets at all in this Law. (Jesus Christ said Himself that He is the Last prophet sent/anointed/chosen from God of Israel.) This leads one to logically conclude the promises that applied only to prophets in the Old should rightly no longer apply as far as the new, unless where stipulated.

If you go back through what Jesus Christ said of the Holy Spirit— the Spirit of Truth— in John 14 vs 15-26 & John 15 vs 26 - 27 & John 16 vs 4 - 16, you would find no mention of communication by way of visions and dreams. By that, it becomes clear that these benefits are not made available by way of this particular spirit. And it is against Jesus Christ to add, remove, or change that which is specified in His Law to His followers.

I don't need to be God's counsel to stipulate that God's Law be respected as is detailed — to the letter. God's only mandate has always been obedience to His Law. And that is what I preach since that is what I live too.

2. God no be mumu! No be today Him begin to dey make contracts. So, if you think you can just add anything you like those religious men do, He does not have any need to waste His time with you either. He already said it is a sin against Him to add, change, or remove from that which He has made clear. So, I am not sure why you think you can win against God or something.

Kobojunkie:
1. God's Law is an ironclad contract that He requires men to live by, and this is to the letter, of course. He too is faithful to His contract meaning that He abides by that which He said He would do in the contract with men. In His Old Law, God specified that He would communicate only with His Prophets through visions and dreams. He did not say everybody would be communicated with via visions and dreams. Please note this! Only those of them who had the spirit of prophecy on them could be communicated to via dreams and visions. That was how God defined this in His Old Law.

Now when it comes to Jesus Christ, Law and contact are completely different from the Old Law, there is no mention of dreams or visions, and there are no prophets at all in this Law. (Jesus Christ said Himself that He is the Last prophet sent/anointed/chosen from God of Israel.) This leads one to logically conclude the promises that applied only to prophets in the Old should rightly no longer apply as far as the new, unless where stipulated.

If you go back through what Jesus Christ said of the Holy Spirit— the Spirit of Truth— in John 14 vs 15-26 & John 15 vs 26 - 27 & John 16 vs 4 - 16, you would find no mention of communication by way of visions and dreams. By that, it becomes clear that these benefits are not made available by way of this particular spirit. And it is against Jesus Christ to add, remove, or change that which is specified in His Law to His followers.

I don't need to be God's counsel to stipulate that God's Law be respected as is detailed — to the letter. God's only mandate has always been obedience to His Law. And that is what I preach since that is what I live too.

2. God no be mumu! No be today Him begin to dey make contracts. So, if you think you can just add anything you like those religious men do, He does not have any need to waste His time with you either. He already said it is a sin against Him to add, change, or remove from that which He has made clear. So, I am not sure why you think you can win against God or something.

Thanks for this Epistle... I never add or remove anything from the scripture.

I am still on the opinion that God reveal things to people through dreams in this present age.

The problem with the above protest is that God did still speak to people in many ways after Jesus ascended to heaven (e.g., Acts 10:19). Moreover, the Bible itself promises that after Pentecost, God would give dreams to people—
”In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams” (Acts 2:17).

So, yes, the Bible supports the idea that God still speaks through dreams today.

Preacher of the word, who feels he knows how God can act, have a nice day. I am done with you. Bye ... The peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

BeigJawnson:
■Thanks for this Epistle... I never add or remove anything from the scripture.
I am still on the opinion that God reveal things to people through dreams in this present age.

You do just that when you suggest that which is not contained in the law is included. Jesus Christ said His Word is everlasting —UNCHANGING—, so any reveal that violates that which He stated is not of Him.

The God of Israel had to add a special portion to His Contract specifically indicating the availability of dreams and visions; Jesus Christ did not include that does not mean everything flies in Jesus Christ.

Kobojunkie:
You do just that when you suggest that which is not contained in the law is included. Jesus Christ said His Word is everlasting —UNCHANGING—, so any reveal that violates that which He stated is not of Him.

The God of Israel had to add a special portion to His Contract specifically indicating the availability of dreams and visions; Jesus Christ did not include that does not mean everything flies in Jesus Christ.

The problem with the above protest is that God did still speak to people in many ways after Jesus ascended to heaven (e.g., Acts 10:19). Moreover, the Bible itself promises that after Pentecost, God would give dreams to people—
”In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams” (Acts 2:17).

So, yes, the Bible supports the idea that God still speaks through dreams today.

Mr preacher of the word.. I am done talking with you. Thanks for your audience.

BeigJawnson:
■ The problem with the above protest is that God did still speak to people in many ways after Jesus ascended to heaven (e.g., Acts 10:19). Moreover, the Bible itself promises that after Pentecost, God would give dreams to people—
”In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams” (Acts 2:17).
■ So, yes, the Bible supports the idea that God still speaks through dreams today.
■ Mr preacher of the word.. I am done talking with you. Thanks for your audience.

1. There is no problem with my statements but rather with your particular understanding of the words of the Prophet Joel which Peter reiterated at that time.

The verse you quoted instead said the God of Israel— YHWH — would pour out His spirit in The LAST DAYS as the Prophet Joel in Joel 2 vs 28 - 31, said would happen. If you read what Joel wrote, you would note he described the events that took place during the Last Days of God's Judgement against the Nation of Israel(and Judah) in the land of Canaan by way of the Old Law of Moses, an event which took place almost 1900 years ago in the same KIngdom.

2. Wrong! The God of Israel put a seal on Prophets and visions after the Last Days—at the end time. This He revealed when He gave Daniel the vision of 70 weeks of 7s in Daniel 9 vs 24 where He promised this. At the end time which came in at the close of the Last Days, the Harvest of the Kingdom, and the New Law took effect. So, how could the God of Israel — YHWH—be communicating with men through the very same means He said He put a seal on at the end of the Last Days?

3. Your problem is you are trying desperately to win the argument without a clear understanding of Scripture. It will never work that is why the religion of Christian alone boasts of over 47,000 different denominations/cults/sects, all peddling different doctrines and traditions,. none of which comes anywhere close to the Truth of God. We are talking about 47,000 ideas with none of them an exact image of God of Israel or His Son, Jesus Christ.

Kobojunkie:
1. There is no problem with my statements but rather with your particular understanding of the words of the Prophet Joel which Peter reiterated at that time.

The verse you quoted instead said the God of Israel— YHWH — would pour out His spirit in The LAST DAYS as the Prophet Joel in Joel 2 vs 28 - 31, said would happen. If you read what Joel wrote, you would note he described the events that took place during the Last Days of God's Judgement against the Nation of Israel(and Judah) in the land of Canaan by way of the Old Law of Moses, an event which took place almost 1900 years ago in the same KIngdom.

2. Wrong! The God of Israel put a seal on Prophets and visions after the Last Days—at the end time. This He revealed when He gave Daniel the vision of 70 weeks of 7s in Daniel 9 vs 24 where He promised this. At the end time which came in at the close of the Last Days, the Harvest of the Kingdom, and the New Law took effect. So, how could the God of Israel — YHWH—be communicating with men through the very same means He said He put a seal on at the end of the Last Days?

3. Your problem is you are trying desperately to win the argument without a clear understanding of Scripture. It will never work that is why the religion of Christian alone boasts of over 47,000 different denominations/cults/sects, all peddling different doctrines and traditions,. none of which comes anywhere close to the Truth of God. We are talking about 47,000 ideas with none of them an exact image of God of Israel or His Son, Jesus Christ.

Peter quoted Prophet Joel, please before I finish reading your long epistle, THE LAST DAYS, was it during the time of Prophet Joel or the latter days that we are now?

Please answer this with no long epistle... Smiles
I have told you already before that I am done talking with you but you are telling me I want to win an argument. It is you who wants to buy my opinion off with long and long epistles...

BeigJawnson:
■Peter quoted Prophet Joel, please before I finish reading your long epistle, THE LAST DAYS, was it during the time of Prophet Joel or the latter days that we are now?Please answer this with no long epistle... Smiles I have told you already before that I am done talking with you but you are telling me I want to win an argument. It is you who wants to buy my opinion off with long and long epistles...

1. The EndTime spoken of by Jesus Christ in Matthew 24, Luke 21, and Mark 13, is of events that are in the past — the time of God's final judgment against the Nation of Israel(and Judah) in the land of Canaan.

29 “Right after the trouble of those days, this will happen:‘The sun will become dark, and the moon will not give light.The stars will fall from the sky, and everything in the sky will be changed.’[c]
30 “Then there will be something in the sky that shows the Son of Man is coming. All the people of the world will cry. Everyone will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds in the sky. He will come with power and great glory.
31 He will use a loud trumpet to send his angels all aroun
32 “The fig tree teaches us a lesson: When its branches become green and soft, and new leaves begin to grow, then you know that summer is very near.
33 In the same way, when you see ALL these things happening, you will know that the time[d] is very near, already present.
34 I assure you that ALL these things will happen while some of the people of this time are still living.
35 The whole world, earth and sky, will be destroyed, but my words will last forever. - Matthew 24 vs 32 - 35

As He made clear, it was all to take place while some among His disciples were still living. That was about 1900 years ago.

Kobojunkie:
1. The EndTime spoken of by Jesus Christ in Matthew 24, Luke 21, and Mark 13, is of events that are in the past — the time of God's final judgment against the Nation of Israel(and Judah) in the land of Canaan. As He made clear, it was all to take place while some among His disciples were still living. That was about 1900 years ago.

I don't need to argue with you again

BeigJawnson:
■ I don't need to argue with you again

It's good to not argue with Jesus Christ abeg!

AbuTwins:
∆ Of course Jesus told the canaanite woman he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel. He even told her it is not right to toss the Children's bread and toss it to the dogs! Children here represent Israel while you, the woman and other Gentiles are the dogs! Matthew 15:21-28. In the end he gave the woman the crumbs she asked!
Jesus is the way to God for the Israelites of his time. Those who believed in him we call Muslims!
Muhammad is for the whole world from his time! Those who believes in him we call Muslims!

∆ Bring another lie! How can we believe it when it is unexplainable? You can only be a son to someone by reproduction, adoption or metaphor!
∆ When Christians do not agree with any of the options above then what do we believe? The Bible contradicted itself not me!

1. Mohammed has absolutely no connection to the God of Israel who instead made clear that He put a seal on Prophets and visions at the Endtime which happened as Jesus Christ said in the same generation that His disciples loved in, a period approximately 500 years before Mohammed's parent thought to have him.

2. That claim of yours does not hold true even in this world we live with babies the existence of test tube babies and in the near future even mechanical wombs.

3. The contradiction here is not found in Scripture but by that which is believeed by you religious entities.