coogar:


being good on the ball is different from being able to pass without taking risks. besides, bringing pique up in this matter has taken you back to your usual daft analogy.

cesc spent about 6 years in the premier league in his formative years. he is now a hybrid. in england, it's all about quick & direct attacking football. in barca, the build-up is slow. cesc couldn't fit in.

every domestic animal in europe knows why cesc had to leave barca......except you!

football is my religion.
i know everything about the game. this is why my prophecies always come to pass. busquets is the most important player in barcelona. he's the equivalent of what carrick is to man utd. if you can stop yaya toure & mascherano from taking your position, you are a demi-god!

i watch live barca games more than man utd sef. all their games are live. just because i dont support them openly like you do doesn't mean i don't know more about them than you can ever muster.

coogar:


di maria didn't cover nada!
we got thrashed by leicester of all teams in one of those games. di maria just stank up the whole place and it was rooney doing the covering job. di maria is a monumental defensive liability.

this was young on sunday after rojo took a walkabout. arsenal broke with pace and we were almost getting overrun in the first half. a certain winger ran like a mad man to track back to stop the attack.



elampiro, this is why young is keeping your £60m liability out of the first team. he's massive upfront & a monstrous in the defence.




people keep referring to one game. one game doesn't make the season. without ronaldo in the semis, di maria wouldn't even be in the final. the final was just one game against a known rival club. solskjaer & sheringham were bench players when they won UCL for united in 99. no one would put the duo above yorke & cole that season. di maria had one good game - simple!




david luiz & toni kroos also made that team o. is david luiz even better than john terry or pique? never ever buy the popularity contest of such awards. david luiz is the worst defender in the top 5 leagues in europe.

homesteady:

Bros, it seems you did not understand my post! All I was saying is that once you are la masia graduate, you must surely be good with the ball! it doesn't leave them

The reason he left was because Xavi was benching him in his preferred role, same reason why Thiago left( Fabregas and Xavi were benching him)!
There were many other reasons - but style of play? absolutely No! Maybe he should also leave Spain National team because of their style of play na

http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/story/cesc-fabregas-move-to-chelsea-met-with-mixed-feeling-by-barcelona-fans-061214
Three years later, that smooth succession plan can be said to have failed emphatically. The stats are not bad -- Fabregas scored a more than respectable 42 goals in 151 matches, and Barca also won the 2012 Copa Del Rey trophy and the 2012-13 La Liga title.

But three managers -- Josep Guardiola, Tito Vilanova and Gerardo Martino -- all tried without success to fit Fabregas into the Barca team alongside Messi, Xavi and Andres Iniesta. Each had their own ideas -- playing him in attacking midfield, deep midfield, as a false nine and even on the wing. But none could find a system which worked regularly, and Fabregas himself often looked not quite sure what he should be doing.

Blaugrana fans and pundits quickly decided he had been ruined by the Barclays Premier League, and his style of play was now too direct for Barca. The locally-born Catalan was even regularly whistled by his own side's supporters, often being the scapegoat when the home side struggled for fluidity.

http://worldsoccertalk.com/2014/10/12/why-cesc-fabregas-never-lived-up-to-his-potential-at-barcelona/
Arsenal’s style of football is said to be the closest to that of Barcelona. Both teams always like to keep possession. However, Arsenal are much more direct than Barcelona. Fabregas always tried playing through-balls behind opposition defenses at Arsenal, and this continued trend did him no favors at Barcelona.

At Barcelona, the players pass the ball until they find a true opening in the opposition defense to exploit, and then the ball is played in to that player. Fabregas, in his time at Barcelona, was often accused of giving away possession all too often. He tried playing the ball in behind too many times, often resulting in the opposition gaining possession of the ball. This continued trend has shown at Chelsea. Against Manchester City at the Etihad, in the second half, Fabregas tried playing Costa in behind Mangala and Kompany. Every time he did, Manchester City regained possession of the ball and gained the chance to counter-attack Chelsea. The difference is that Mourinho signed Fabregas to play a striker in behind, to provide through-balls so that Chelsea could break down teams. Barcelona, on the other hand, are required to break down teams weekly, and do not necessarily need a Fabregas to expertise in the role.

http://www.espnfc.co.uk/club/chelsea/363/blog/post/1994284/fabregas-is-chelseas-new-lampard
Fabregas may have idolised Xavi, but instead of becoming another totem of tiki-taka, he is a Spanish-English hybrid. He was toughened up in the Premier League and absorbed some of its attitudes.

Perhaps he could be a little too impatient, a bit too direct for Barcelona (and maybe only for them: this is relatively speaking). Growing up competing with Lampard and Steven Gerrard, he absorbed the importance of goal-scoring midfielders.

If you watch barcelona games as you are claiming, then you should know that the importance of Busquet has dropped! Before anybody thinks of harassing him, the ball is already with Any of MSN - Midfield play is not really important for this new Barça, that's why even madrid nearly had more possession during el classico (51-49 or so) and Bayern had it!

AdeLaNa1:
Abeg! When there's Johnny Evans

coogar:

there's no new barca - barca are the same since 2008. the personnel changed a bit but the philosophy hasn't changed. any idiöt can win the league title in barca. all their core players were born to adapt their philosophy.

khanye:


Professor

coogar:



why was he always ignored in spain?
busquets, xavi & iniesta are the pillars in spain. the only time you see cesc is when he is playing as a false-9(where his direct play doesn't affect the build up).

i rest my case....
#sighs

busi is your best player.
there's no new barca - barca are the same since 2008. the personnel changed a bit but the philosophy hasn't changed. any idiöt can win the league title in barca. all their core players were born to adapt their philosophy.

homesteady:

Last season, tata Martino made them play more direct! barca won Rayo either 4 or 5 - 0, but guess what happened? the whole world was on fire because they lost possession to Rayo! You have been saying that He likes direct football, but when the team played more direct last season, he was still the most useless player in the team!

Is it in your dreams you watch barcelona games? Who doesn't know that this barcelona is different from other years?

Kemizee:
I imagine wat wud happn if Ashley Young has been all wat some morons and nitwits say he is..den it sad because while Real madrd will be chasing Hazard,we must all begin to cry because Barca or Bayern will soon buy our superstar winger Ashley Young (sobs and weeps).
This is supposed to be Ashley's best ason after 4 yrs of utterly being egregious and yet he cnt still score goals or assist more than someone in his forst season in English football despite playing more minutes.So i ask again for d pip arguing to tell me exactly wat young has done beta dan di maria dis season?

It so sad that we av too many mentally imbalanced pipl on a football forum.Mtchewww

UniqueGem:
Any 'SANE' comrade who chooses to argue with this 'INSANE' cooger; to me have automatically lost certificate of 'SANITY'. There are no bases and direction to his arguements, once you catch him on the hand he says it's leg, then to his head, and it continues. Capish

UniqueGem:
He believes after CR7 and Messi, Young is the 3rd best player in the world. LOL!!!!

coogar:


barca didn't play any direct football last season - they were just out of their depth. in all honesty, madrid had a better squad last season. the bale factor tipped the scale for madrid.

barca did what madrid & went to sign the best player in england(suarez) & he has tipped the scale massively for barcelona this year as well. it's a struggle for power. madrid's only hope now is if they can sign hazard(current best player in england) but hazard just penned a new contract.....they would have to break the bank to get him.

which difference?
it's the same format abeg. everyone is still following rijkaard's blueprint with few slight changes here & there.

pep bent the blueprint to its elastic limit for a while but each time he did that, he suffered losses and quickly revert back to shape.

luis enrique is a copycat too.
same format, same ideology, same formation. what's the difference between dinho-etoo-messi triumvirate and the current one?

SailorXY:
there's no cause for comparisons here. Young & di Maria are Man United players, we should support them both. the fact Young has earned his place is not in doubt but it also doesn't make him a better player than those on the bench. let's not turn it into favorite vs favorite ala Rooney vs van Persie.

there was a time Mata & Herrera were warming the bench too, but they now have about 17 goals between them this season. if it was based on talents alone, Fellaini won't be starting games ahead of Mata, di Maria & all capable of playing AM in the current squad.

let's just say it's the manager's card as he's still moulding his team & maligned players still settling into the new system. after all LvG said his wide men were not up to scratch before he went for di Maria; & Young was in the squad already!

SailorXY:
there's no cause for comparisons here. Young & di Maria are Man United players, we should support them both. the fact Young has earned his place is not in doubt but it also doesn't make him a better player than those on the bench. let's not turn it into favorite vs favorite ala Rooney vs van Persie.

there was a time Mata & Herrera were warming the bench too, but they now have about 17 goals between them this season. if it was based on talents alone, Fellaini won't be starting games ahead of Mata, di Maria & all capable of playing AM in the current squad.

let's just say it's the manager's card as he's still moulding his team & maligned players still settling into the new system. after all LvG said his wide men were not up to scratch before he went for di Maria; yet Young was in the squad already!

homesteady:

I gave you an example of where we played direct - barcelona vs rayo, we won the game but lost possession and all the traditional cules were calling for tata's head!

Madrid signed one of the best players from the worldcup! They don't need hazard or any expensive player! They just need a sensible coach who will know how to rotate the squad well! They still have a killer squad!
The midfield is the difference! Since I started watching barcelona play, I haven't seen where the Midfielders are given a minimum role to play!

elampiro:
I am not out to exchange words with any one. No long thing...

But Coogar, did Ashley Young really play as a winger for Villa or he played in a fluid front? I remember Young, Agbonlahor and one other guy who was good at heading exchanging positions while they attack. This may have even boosted Young's stat you proud about all these while. I wonder why he has never been able to achieve 40% of those stats at United.


Just saying.

coogar:


barca didn't play any direct football last season - they were just out of their depth. in all honesty, madrid had a better squad last season. the bale factor tipped the scale for madrid.

barca did what madrid & went to sign the best player in england(suarez) & he has tipped the scale massively for barcelona this year as well. it's a struggle for power. madrid's only hope now is if they can sign hazard(current best player in england) but hazard just penned a new contract.....they would have to break the bank to get him.




which difference?
it's the same format abeg. everyone is still following rijkaard's blueprint with few slight changes here & there.

pep bent the blueprint to its elastic limit for a while but each time he did that, he suffered losses and quickly revert back to shape.

luis enrique is a copycat too.
same format, same ideology, same formation. what's the difference between dinho-etoo-messi triumvirate and the current one?

coogar:


young had a wonderful debut season with us. his second season was blighted with injuries, so was his 3rd season. he was injured for some time this season.

you people forget what a lengthy run of games can do to players. even cleverley is now shinning for villa but mba, favouritism will not allow una to assess objectively. if a player gets 30 mins playtime in a month & he performs poorly then he should be sold.

young was a winger @ villa. milner was on the other flank & agbonlahor was in the centre. go & watch the league game that got mourinho sacked in 2007 & see what young did to jose's defence in that game. he's too good at what he does. SAF wouldn't have paid him £120k/week if he didn't rate him.

elampiro:


Now I remember. They had Carew who was a threat in the box. That was the guy I was trying to remember.

They had wingers who could play in fluid front. Agbonlahor, Milner, Young and Downing. Agbonlahor and Young were mostly the utility players.

Look at this.

Ashley Young
Aston Villa, 29, AM(CLR)

Gabriel Agbonlahor
Aston Villa, 28, AM(LR),FW

Stewart Downing
Aston Villa, 30, M(CLR)

James Milner
Aston Villa, 29, M(CLR)

The above is 2009/2010. Ashley Young was the only player among the the 23 players who played for Villa that season, that is marked as the AM(C) Attacking Midfielder Centre. . This tells me those Young stats were gathered from him playing behind the main striker, and may be too in a fluid front.

Sometimes I wonder why players who come to us even though they have always been fit start having injuries. Young started 37 mathces for Villa that season with 3304 playing time. 37 matches is = 3340 minutes and Young had 3330 minutes. Perhaps he was sub out just late once or twice.

elampiro:

What a sigh! Finally!
In defence of Ashley Young, Coogar let down his guards and didnt know when he confessed the truth, nothing but the truth. Coogar peace be upon you. Your sins are forgiven.

coogar:


young was an AM(L/R) then!
if he played in the centre, it must be as a sub. his signature move then was to run along the touchline & deliver a cross with his right - which carew or agbonlahor or richard dunne would power into the net.

only united fans don't rate young.
he only joined the premier league in 2006 & only 17 players are above him on the assist charts in the history of the premier league. that is some remarkable achievement by a player many consider poor.




you are trolling!
madrid bought PFA player of the year in 2013.
barca bought PFA player of the year in 2014.

i am saying madrid must also buy the current PFA player this year to close the gap between them and barca.

how can i agree hazard is the best player when i tabulated the stats this season where he was mortally destroyed by david silva?

elampiro:
In 2010/2011

Aston Villa most used formation 27 times was 4-5-1. Ashley Young was put behind the striker bent as the player who had the best performances in that position.

In their 4-4-1-1 formation, Young was in number 10 behind Agbonlahor who was the striker.

4-2-3-1 Young put behind Carew in number 10 and 9 respectively.

Only in 4-1-4-1 Young was in the wing as the best winger. May be this is why he finds this 4-1-4-1 easy.





Guys can you now see that Young did not get this 'productivity' from the wing, that Coogar has been to run pages upon pages since last year. Even this season, he is find wanting in productivity even though he had an outstanding season. He was our most dangerous player.

elampiro:

Young did not play as substitute that season according to whoscored. He started all 37 minutes and missed only 24 minutes out of possible 3330 minutes. So find another excuse. It is recorded that he played in the AM(C).
However, in 2010/2011 he was their main and best AM(C) plying behind the striker.

coogar:


so how come rooney has never had 16 league assists in all these years he has been playing behind a centre forward?
.

coogar:

ashley young's most productive season was in 07/08 and he was an out & out winger that season. he scored 8 league goals & 16 assists providing for 3rd rated strikers like agbonlahor & john carew.