tunnamania11:
If this is not plagiarism, buttress your epistle with direct source.

tpiadotcom:
This is a repeat topic and I addressed this issue in the other thread.

Iyawo refers to new wife, or bride and also means wife in a general context.
Iyawo and aya are the same context as bride and wife in english, you are not saying anything new, @ op.

scholes0:


I think AYA should be more original, while Iyawo should be a more recent innovation from the Oyos..
I say this because if you take a look at the North Eastern & South Eastern (Older) Yoruba dialects, as well as Igala and Itsekiri, Wife is known only by that one word (AYA).

tpiadotcom:


Aya is the familiar term while Iyawo is more formal since the bride is still relatively new. Its also used to distinguish a newly married wife.

Iyawo is used in all Yoruba dialects, its not uncommon.

Aya and Iyawo are not that unsimilar. Iya means mother and is also a female term.

Some aspects of traditional religion refer to a priest initiate as iyawo, this may also have led to further clarifications or alternate words for the term.

dammywapes:
I never claim it's mine. found it meaningful and wish to share it.

scholes0:


Do you know not every Yoruba dialect even uses Iya? (Some say: Eye, Yeye, Uya etc)
In some Yoruba dialects, particularly the Easterly ones, it is not uncommon for U to replace I at the beginning of words..... ULE, USE, ULU, UJO etc...... This would mean the "Iyawo" hypothesis is still not very strong.... not when you are taking all Yorubas in their entirity into consideration.
The Iyawo word in priesthood may be the contraption of two different words "IYA" and "AWO" mother of divination, which due to the "aranmo and Isunki- contraction of words ending in a vowel with another begining in another vowel) becomes IYAWO

tpiadotcom:

Every language has more than one word for various phenomena.
Iya has several derivatives, likewise iyawo/aya.
Besides, yoruba is a tonal language and one word an commonly mean several things.
Iya for example, can also mean poverty, split, draw, etc.

scholes0:


Bro, I am telling You that AYA is much older term than Iyawo..... Iyawo is a recent dialectal innovation for Wife, that is now popular.
I gave you the proof, which you still haven't discussed.

tpiadotcom:

You wish aya to be the older term is what you mean.
How can iyawo be a recent term if its used in traditional religion to mean priest initiate?

ksbusari:
I stick with IYAWO 'cos i once heard dat d Use of 'AYA' should nt be encouraged cos' 'AYA' as d name sounds in Yoruba language finds her way out of d marriage when marriage is nt favourable better said in Yoruba (AYA ma n ya ni igba Isoro). Another meanin of IYAWO is in Yoruba language( E ya wa wo) in English (branch and come take a look).

tunnamania11:


Okay sir, but don't u think that's mythical?
I have watched hundreds of Yoruba(village/ historical) movies and one thing I learnt is that wife has always been called AYA not iyawo.

scholes0:


So, in short you are confirming my assertions?
Alright, before Ogun from Ire Ekiti, or Sango, son of the Nupe woman, King of Oyo, Or Esu from Western Ekiti, all died.... You mean the Iyawo term didn't exist?
let me tell You, Yoruba traditional religion is old, but some of it's concepts are newer, and aren't even half as old as the divergence of the different Yoruba dialects, and the various Yoruboid languages.... AYA exists in Igala and Itsekiri as well as Yoruba Central, Iyawo does not. IYAWO exists only in certain Yoruba lects, and not some others... And you are telling me Iyawo is older than Aya because of traditional Yoruba religion, which adds new elements every time....... Okay Continuuu

tpiadotcom:


Are you Igala or Itsekiri? Not sure why you keep mentioning them.
Iyawo is used in Edoid languages and also Igbo (i think) to refer to new wife.
Aya and Iyawo are two terms for the same phenomenon, namely a wife.
One is wife, the other means bride, can you find out which one preceded the other and then get back to us here?
Igala has some yoruboid words, that is a well known fact.
And, your assertions are wrong, that's what I'm trying to tell you.

tpiadotcom:
Find out which of these is an older word: bride, wife.

scholes0:


Okay you know that in Yoruba customs, the Younger wife is called Iyawo, while the Elder one is called Iyale, right? Both were formulated by contracting two words together.
Say for example, If you were discussing with your best friend about your two wives, at home- pls, how do you describe both ur wives to your friend? NOTE: The younger wife is already Iyawo.

Of course you would call them AYA mi. .... not Iyawo mi.

ksbusari:
by sayin AYA mi, it could mean One a wife. Referin to more than one wife is simply AWON AYA mi or AWON IYAWO mi. I agree to ur fact that yoruba refer to new wife as IYAWO and d old as IYALE. Yoruba language is Ambiguous bt is d easiest to understand.

scholes0:


OKO kan ati AYA kan, titi iku yoo fi ya won.
A o ki n wipe, Oko kan ati Iyawo kan, titi iku yoo ya won.

Ayaba (Aya Oba) tabi Olori ni a maa n pe eni ti Oba ba fe si afin re.