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Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by Nobody: 4:04pm On Nov 27, 2015

Hahahahahaha.
If the Aborisha exists, why didn't they stop the exploits of the British Missionaries. Afterall, they destroyed shrines.!
**Pulls stool closer** Sir Lawani , baaba o, come explain

Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by GooseBaba: 6:08pm On Nov 27, 2015

PastorAIO:

I heard of Jewesun from Osamaro Ibie's book on Ifism. He goes into it in Oyeku meji. Frankly, I thought the entire book smacked of western influence and interpretation.

http://documents.mx/documents/101601683-osamaro-ifism-vol-1-english-complete-osamaro-ibie.html

Bros, thanks for the info...... I had my suspicion.

I used to know a formidable herbalist sometime back. But he used to be a jehovah witness before he was kicked out, however his wife and kids still went for service. I remember on several occasions he used the map on the back of his bible to describe or narrate stories, While aligning it to traditional medicine.

I'm thinking someone like him will subscribe to Jewesun...

Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by macof(m): 7:37pm On Nov 27, 2015

tpiah11:
I am not a fan of this juju stuff

And who cares?

op you need to turn to Jesus, He alone can save you.

Sharap, people are talking about pure spiritual uplifting and u speak of a dead and rotten jew

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Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by macof(m): 7:39pm On Nov 27, 2015

akinvest:
Satan means Esu in Yoruba language.

and what is Angel Micheal, Jehova, Baal, Asherah etc since satan must have a yoruba name, these should too

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Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by macof(m): 7:41pm On Nov 27, 2015

tpiah11:
Jesus also contains the esu spelling, why not worship the creator rather than the created.

And a dead jew is not the created?

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Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by macof(m): 7:48pm On Nov 27, 2015

FOLYKAZE:

The babalawo in the movie meant that Jesus which the woman called is known as Jewesun in Ifa.

Edit: the babalawo is Lalude

Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:14pm On Nov 27, 2015

macof:

What's so funny nitori Olorun?

Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by tpiadotcom: 9:54pm On Nov 27, 2015

macof:

And a dead jew is not the created?

are you a nazi by any chance?

Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by Rilwayne001: 10:16pm On Nov 27, 2015

FOLYKAZE:

Links to what?

It is a Yoruba movie. I think the title is Alani Pamolekun.

A lady called on Jesus in a particual scene and the babalawo shut her up saying Jesus he is calling is Jeswsun in Opon Ifa.

I watched the film.. I remembered your thread on Jewesun immediately Lalude refered to Jesus as Jewesu in the movie.. I think Lalude is an Aborisha because he is very versed when is comes to Ifa panegyrics and incantations..

Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by FOLYKAZE(m): 10:59pm On Nov 27, 2015

Rilwayne001:

I watched the film.. I remembered your thread on Jewesun immediately Lalude refered to Jesus as Jewesu in the movie.. I think Lalude is an Aborisha because he is very versed when is comes to Ifa panegyrics and incantations..

His words ring bell in my head every now and then.

My woman was the one watching the movie. My attention was caught instantly when Lalude shouted down his victim. I thought I was wrong but had to rewind back to the scene to be sure of what I heard. Alas, it is the same Jewesun we all discussed about.

An Adaja who happens to live close to my house once narrated that Jesus was casting Ifa Ile (something like the one Alfas usually do called Ilm Al Raml or Sand Science). He even mentioned the Odu Jesus inscibed. Cant remember. He said Orunmila taught Arab/jewish nation and other nations around the world Ifa. When he was saying this, I thought he was kidding. . .trying to throw some jabs to Christians and muslims around. But this Jewesun stuff is bringing sense into his past words.

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Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by Nobody: 11:06pm On Nov 27, 2015

Rilwayne001:

I watched the film.. I remembered your thread on Jewesun immediately Lalude refered to Jesus as Jewesu in the movie.. I think Lalude is an Aborisha because he is very versed when is comes to Ifa panegyrics and incantations..

In the new Isese circle, especially we Babalawos, the Jewesun being Jesus rumour seem to be rife yet no one, at least none that I know can or has been able to pin point what Odu Ifa he can be found and if there's any similarities between him and Jesus.

In addition, Lalude may be an Olorisa or a Babalawo but his Ifa chants are learnt at Babalawo or Olorisa homes - his chants are usually surface 'ohun' recited during conflicts. Lalude and 'Kudaisi used to visit my uncle who is now late to learn one or two things - at least they were there earlier this year. Don't get carried away by their chants, all na beans.

Folks like Elebuibon, Peter Fatomilola, Saheed Osupa have concrete Ifa chants if you need folks to listen to.

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Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by Rilwayne001: 11:15pm On Nov 27, 2015

9jacrip:

In the new Isese circle, especially we Babalawos, the Jewesun being Jesus rumour seem to be rife yet no one, at least none that I know can or has been able to pin point what Odu Ifa he can be found and if there's any similarities between him and Jesus.

In addition, Lalude may be an Olorisa or a Babalawo but his Ifa chants are learnt at Babalawo or Olorisa homes - his chants are usually surface 'ohun' recited during conflicts. Lalude and 'Kudaisi used to visit my uncle who is now late to learn one or two things - at least they were there earlier this year. Don't get carried away by their chants, all na beans.

Folks like Elebuibon, Peter Fatomilola, Saheed Osupa have concrete Ifa chants if you need folks to listen to.

Woooo! Great! So Lalude is fake? lol..

I think I will have to come and learn those incantations from you

Wassup bro?

Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by Nobody: 11:24pm On Nov 27, 2015

Rilwayne001:

Woooo! Great! So Lalude is fake? lol..

I think I will have to come and learn those incantations from you

Wassup bro?

I'm only saying acting is different from real life.

I no sabi any incantations. Besides, my Odu forbids that I learn things of that nature.

I'm only saying I have met these folks. During his last visit, Lodi Agba (Apena Ogboni) in Ife well versed in Ifa thought Lalude was real with Ifa and wanted to engage him in a back and forth. He got scared and my late uncle had to break up the circle.

I'm good.

Till I get verification from solid sources on the Jewesun/Jesu link with verfiable ese Ifa, I refuse to buy into it.

I once asked the daughter of the Baale of Popo Yemoja in Ibadan when Folykaze first mentioned it on some thread, she said she has heard of the claim but couldn't cite one ese ifa to back this - she is very deep in Ifa, she knows quite a lot of Odus. She asked her father who's the Yemoja Chief priest, renowned Ifa/Babalawo in Oyo state and Baale in Ibadan about it and he shot it down saying it was/is a lie and pure falsehood.

Ifa is not so hard, just an ese ifa on Jewesun will put the mystery to rest.

Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by FOLYKAZE(m): 11:49pm On Nov 27, 2015

9jacrip:

In the new Isese circle, especially we Babalawos, the Jewesun being Jesus rumour seem to be rife yet no one, at least none that I know can or has been able to pin point what Odu Ifa he can be found and if there's any similarities between him and Jesus.

In addition, Lalude may be an Olorisa or a Babalawo but his Ifa chants are learnt at Babalawo or Olorisa homes - his chants are usually surface 'ohun' recited during conflicts. Lalude and 'Kudaisi used to visit my uncle who is now late to learn one or two things - at least they were there earlier this year. Don't get carried away by their chants, all na beans.

Folks like Elebuibon, Peter Fatomilola, Saheed Osupa have concrete Ifa chants if you need folks to listen to.

Guy where I fit learn incantation?

I dont know why, I forget easily ones I learn from around. I want ones that will stick pam to my brain

Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by lawani: 5:50am On Nov 28, 2015

SirWere:
Hahahahahaha.
If the Aborisha exists, why didn't they stop the exploits of the British Missionaries. Afterall, they destroyed shrines.!
**Pulls stool closer** Sir Lawani , baaba o, come explain

Despite the evil onslaught of Abrahamic religions that spreads hate, bigotry and violence, all cultures still retain their traditional practices to a large extent. You just need to scratch the surface. The Aborisha exists, the Wiccan exists, The Maiguzuwa exists and etc because they are natural to their people and they will be revived eventually. They are all under thesame God. Not the beast of Abrahamic religions. Europeans are no longer Christians and we are now Christians, why haven't we overtaken them? As for why we were colonised, I will answer with a saying 'Eni yara ni Ogun ngbe' meaning Ogun assists and supports anyone with initiative, that is fast enough to seize an opportunity.

Ogun supported England when they championed the industrial revolution and will support you today if you commit to any noble venture. Ase

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Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by tpiadotcom: 5:54am On Nov 28, 2015

you folks should accept Jesus into your lives plz.

are you black or Nigerian?

Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by FOLYKAZE(m): 10:57am On Nov 28, 2015

9jacrip abeg come carry your girlfriend go back to Yoruba commonwealth thread where she trailed you from.

Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by Nobody: 11:07am On Nov 28, 2015

FOLYKAZE:

Guy where I fit learn incantation?

I dont know why, I forget easily ones I learn from around. I want ones that will stick pam to my brain

You can buy iyere ifa cds often sold at stores in Osogbo especially or at festivals.

You may need oogun to help with memory or imo to speak to you when you need it.

Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by Nobody: 11:08am On Nov 28, 2015

FOLYKAZE:
9jacrip abeg come carry your girlfriend go back to Yoruba commonwealth thread where she trailed you from.

Egbon Folykaze mo ri yin o.

Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by FOLYKAZE(m): 11:09am On Nov 28, 2015

9jacrip:

You can buy iyere ifa cds often sold at stores in Osogbo especially or at festivals.

You may need oogun to help with memory or imo to speak to you when you need it.

Iyere Ifa no get download link?

Imo, do you mean Isoye? Those selling gbogbonise do advertise it. I dont believe that thing work abeg.

Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by Nobody: 11:15am On Nov 28, 2015

FOLYKAZE:

Iyere Ifa no get download link?

Imo, do you mean Isoye? Those selling gbogbonise do advertise it. I dont believe that thing work abeg.

Yes Isoye, there are different types by grades sir.

Some are for life and some are for certain periods.

Why would someone get ise from itinerant gbogbonise merchants? Does one know if the materials are complete, if they have not been exposed to what not, if a female on menstrual has touched it or people who have ajeegun problems?

And it does work, it is real. The downside of it is the memory of horrible or just situations one wants to forget.

Imo is another level, where you have a spirit companion who speaks to you.

Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by Nobody: 11:17am On Nov 28, 2015

FOLYKAZE:

Iyere Ifa no get download link?

Imo, do you mean Isoye? Those selling gbogbonise do advertise it. I dont believe that thing work abeg.

No, it doesn't.

I have two by Araba Osogbo, Baba Elebuibon but I've not been able to squeeze the second longer one on Nairaland. I uploaded one on the Yoruba thread.

Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by FOLYKAZE(m): 11:24am On Nov 28, 2015

9jacrip:

No, it doesn't.

I have two by Araba Osogbo, Baba Elebuibon but I've not been able to squeeze the second longer one on Nairaland. I uploaded one on the Yoruba thread.

Let me have the link bro pls

Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by Nobody: 11:43am On Nov 28, 2015

FOLYKAZE:

Let me have the link bro pls

Mi o ma ri mo.

Maybe they took it off NL. I could email both to you when I get back to Lagos/Ogun.

Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by FOLYKAZE(m): 11:45am On Nov 28, 2015

9jacrip:

Mi o ma ri mo.

Maybe they took it off NL. I could email both to you when I get back to Lagos/Ogun.

kosi Iyonu.

I will be expecting a mail containing the file from you

Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by Nobody: 11:53am On Nov 28, 2015

FOLYKAZE:

kosi Iyonu.

I will be expecting a mail containing the file from you

No shakes papi, you shall.

Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by macof(m): 11:56am On Nov 28, 2015

FOLYKAZE:

What's so funny nitori Olorun?

Jewesun = jesus? ? Why I no go laugh? Too funny grin

If yoruba folks knew jesus why would his name be rendered "Jewesun" ? Do you have any idea

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Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by FOLYKAZE(m): 1:15pm On Nov 28, 2015

macof:

Jewesun = jesus? ? Why I no go laugh? Too funny

If yoruba folks knew jesus why would his name be rendered "Jewesun" ? Do you have any idea

I am not Lalude who used it in incantation.

The character might not be Jesus but I have read about it severally and also heard about it in some traditional discussion.

Just like some takes Thor as Sango though they are not same character but have resemblance. Jesus and Jewesun could have same resemblance but actually could not be the samething.

I have heard that Baba Agbonmiregun sawo lo si ogberi okun. And he taught all nations on earth about Ifa. This is why divination proces across the world look much like Ifa while Ifa is more complicated and sophisticated than them. The like of Kabbalah, iching, geomancy, ilm al raml, and sikidy are reflection of Ifa divination. In here, Jewesun could have appear which could be Jesus but Jew wrote another story of it. So many things sha

Maybe we need to engage real babalawo on this

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Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by macof(m): 2:09pm On Nov 28, 2015

FOLYKAZE:

I am not Lalude who used it in incantation.

The character might not be Jesus but I have read about it severally and also heard about it in some traditional discussion.

Just like some takes Thor as Sango though they are not same character but have resemblance. Jesus and Jewesun could have same resemblance but actually could not be the samething.

I have heard that Baba Agbonmiregun sawo lo si ogberi okun. And he taught all nations on earth about Ifa. This is why divination proces across the world look much like Ifa while Ifa is more complicated and sophisticated than them. The like of Kabbalah, iching, geomancy, ilm al raml, and sikidy are reflection of Ifa divination. In here, Jewesun could have appear which could be Jesus but Jew wrote another story of it. So many things sha

Maybe we need to engage real babalawo on this

Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by FOLYKAZE(m): 4:18pm On Nov 28, 2015

macof:

This guy is sick in the head. I dont know what is funny in my statement

Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by Nobody: 10:02pm On Nov 28, 2015

lawani:

Do never take Ifa stories at face value. There are verses depicting Obatala as a woman, then later as a man. Ifa is not absolute truth and all the characters featured in Ifa stories were incarnated severally. There are many means by which stories entered the corpus, some Awos claim to be able to telepathically know what is happening in other cultures, then put it in the corpus, it does not mean the stories are true or false but they offer lessons. Ifa is not absolute truth! Far from it. Nothing is absolute truth.

This your statement is simply inspired.

I don’t purport to know anything about “Ifa” practice or “Awo” but what I can say from personal experience is that the Yoruba pantheon of gods have long entered the stream of universal consciousness. Many of these deities are “incarnates” or have “incarnated” several times. They exist in a hidden place and may enter the world as they please, sometimes through humans or even animals. They are a reflection of pure divine light.

The deity known in pop culture as the Horned One was a deity I first encountered as Lord Krishna, this deity is also known as Papa Legba, intermediary between humanity and the great empyrean.

I am not certain that Papa Legba is a Yoruba god (some of you guys may clarify) but I am sure Yemoja is a Yoruba goddess. The affiliation of this goddess is with the ocean and the moon, she has presented through the ages in different guises and I encountered this deity as a Wolf. She is in fact the matriarch of the seven keepers of the earth.

Most fascinating to me is Obatala, the most private and intense of deities, the deity presents as a great tortoise, master of wisdom and creativity with close affiliation to the earth. Many do worship this deity as their supreme god.

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Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by Nobody: 10:16pm On Nov 28, 2015

FOLYKAZE:

kosi Iyonu.

I will be expecting a mail containing the file from you

Sent the mail.

Please let me know if you got it.

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