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Naira Float; The Pros And Cons. by 989900: 6:46pm On Jun 15, 2016
The new CBN policy to float the Naira 'sort of', can either turn to be a good thing, or a bad thing.

In this breakdown, I'll like to omit the hue: "appointed primary dealers" . . ..


Pros:

1. The new policy will foster Forex inflow through FDIs, both portfolio (some rules need to be set for those as regards withdrawal) and long term investors.

2. It will lead to less hoarding (which is one of the major albatross of the Naira) if managed right.

3. It will lead to appreciable value of the Naira in both the inter-bank and BM rates, if the CBN will furnish it with far better supply than it has been doing lately.

4. It will lead to an even more appreciable value of the Naira in both the inter-bank and BM rates, if the CBN can implement the 'Boyo' approach by implementing 'dollar certificates' in payments to governmental organs.

5. It will lead to appreciable value of the Naira in both the inter-bank and BM rates, if the dollar weakens and oil prices keep going north of $50 along with increase in national production.

6. It will lead to appreciable value of the Naira in both the inter-bank and BM rates, if the Mining/Agric/manufacturing/export sector are well funded with Forex, low interest loans, and industry growth enabling laws.

7. It will lead to appreciable value of the Naira in both the inter-bank and BM rates, if reasonable stable power supply can be sustained.

8. It will lead to appreciable value of the Naira in both the inter-bank and BM rates, if we can get our refineries working at near top capacity.

9. It will lead to appreciable value of the Naira in both the inter-bank and BM rates, if the current transparency, prudence, and accountability campaign can be sustained along with recovered Forex loots.

10. It will lead to appreciable value of the Naira in both the inter-bank and BM rates, if reasonable/sustainable foreign withdrawal limits are set on Naira ATM cards.

11. It will lead to appreciable value of the Naira in both the inter-bank and BM rates, if the population can be educated on the need to patronize Nigerian made goods and services.

12. It will lead to appreciable value of the Naira in both the inter-bank and BM rates, if ultimately, the CBN can abort its criminal ways (I still wonder why banks are allowed to keep over 20 billion dollars cash money in their vaults without enough CRR nor SLR to back it up, or do they?).


The Cons:

Just flip the 'pros' on its head, and you'll have anarchy: demise of the Naira. shocked

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Re: Naira Float; The Pros And Cons. by jamesibor: 6:49pm On Jun 15, 2016
989900:
The new CBN policy to float the Naira 'sort of', can either turn to be a good thing, or a bad thing.

In this breakdown, I'll like to omit the hue: "appointed primary dealers" . . ..


Pros:

1. The new policy will foster Forex inflow through FDIs, both portfolio and long term investors.

2. It will lead to less hoarding (which is one of the major albatross of the Naira) if managed right.

3. It will lead to appreciable value of the Naira in both the inter-bank and BM rates, if the CBN will furnish it with far better supply than it has been doing lately.

4. It will lead to an even more appreciable value of the Naira in both the inter-bank and BM rates, if the CBN can implement the 'Boyo' approach by implementing 'dollar certificates' in payments to governmental organs.

5. It will lead to appreciable value of the Naira in both the inter-bank and BM rates, if the dollar weakens and oil prices keep going north of $50 along with increase in national production.

6. It will lead to appreciable value of the Naira in both the inter-bank and BM rates, if the Mining/Agric/manufacturing/export sector are well funded by Forex, low interest loans, and industry growth enabling laws.

7. It will lead to appreciable value of the Naira in both the inter-bank and BM rates, if reasonable stable power supply can be sustained.

8. It will lead to appreciable value of the Naira in both the inter-bank and BM rates, if we can get our refineries working at near top capacity.

9. It will lead to appreciable value of the Naira in both the inter-bank and BM rates, if the current transparent, prudence, and accountability campaign can be sustained along with recovered Forex loots.

10. It will lead to appreciable value of the Naira in both the inter-bank and BM rates, if reasonable/sustainable foreign withdrawal limits are set on Naira ATM cards.

11. It will lead to appreciable value of the Naira in both the inter-bank and BM rates, if the population can be educated on the need to patronize Nigerian made goods and services.

12. It will lead to appreciable value of the Naira in both the inter-bank and BM rates, if ultimately, the CBN can abort its criminal ways.


The Cons:

Just flip the 'pros' on its head, and you'll have anarchy: demise of the Naira. shocked

Have you considered the fact that oil production is almost halved which will drastically affect availability?
Re: Naira Float; The Pros And Cons. by jmichlins(m): 6:53pm On Jun 15, 2016
I just wish you are right cause for we have heard and read many economic theories about this country yet everything keep going south

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Re: Naira Float; The Pros And Cons. by 989900: 6:56pm On Jun 15, 2016
jamesibor:


Have you considered the fact that oil production is almost halved which will drastically affect availability?

It is already considered (#5).

Oil production cut due to militancy, is an ephemeral situation that can/should be addressed.

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Re: Naira Float; The Pros And Cons. by 989900: 6:59pm On Jun 15, 2016
jmichlins:
I just wish you are right cause for we have heard and read many economic theories about this country yet everything keep going south

Look at the cons -- I have fears too . . . and we will be in serious sh!t if we DO NOT back up our monetary policies with honesty and smart fiscal policies.
Re: Naira Float; The Pros And Cons. by Donald3d(m): 7:28pm On Jun 15, 2016
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Re: Naira Float; The Pros And Cons. by aloeman15(m): 7:53pm On Jun 15, 2016
These are some of the realities-
The most immediate effect is a run on the naira as everyone tries to buy cheap and sell dear.
We forget that we can now import ANYTHING so long as you can buy forex.
What's the point of banning the 41 items when you no longer control access to forex?! Utter stupidity.
The cbn will not use dollar certificates now, when they didn't do so when they controlled the price.
No govt runs on honesty. Systemic checks and balances are the answer.
Now is the ABSOLUTE WORST TIME to do this. I was all for devaluation till henry boyo schooled me in a newspaper article.
The presence of 'Super agents' renders the whole process moot. It's simply putting marketers in place who will inevitably copy the monopoly of oil marketers.
As long as we remain oil dependent, all hopes of a strong currency remain a foolish pipe dream. The greater your exports, the stronger your currency- because the more dollars you have (in relation to your curreny), the cheaper it is.
The only way this policy works is if the govt begins immediate, MASSIVE industrialisation- with SOLE FOCUS ON POWER GENERATION to drive diversification.
The alternative is to have more than one forex trading currency- like the yuan- to reduce dependence and focus on the dollar, but that plan seems to be dead in the water.
The only hope for our infrastructural development is that govt will give tax breaks, import waivers, startup grants, loan moratoriums, etc.
But that's the job of the economic team, not the cbn...
989900:


Look at the cons -- I have fears too . . . and we will be in serious sh!t if we DO NOT back up our monetary policies with honesty and smart fiscal policies.
Re: Naira Float; The Pros And Cons. by 989900: 8:07pm On Jun 15, 2016
aloeman15:
These are some of the realities-
The most immediate effect is a run on the naira as everyone tries to buy cheap and sell dear.
We forget that we can now import ANYTHING so long as you can buy forex.
What's the point of banning the 41 items when you no longer control access to forex?! Utter stupidity.
The cbn will not use dollar certificates now, when they didn't do so when they controlled the price.
No govt runs on honesty. Systemic checks and balances are the answer.
Now is the ABSOLUTE WORST TIME to do this. I was all for devaluation till henry boyo schooled me in a newspaper article.
The presence of 'Super agents' renders the whole process moot. It's simply putting marketers in place who will inevitably copy the monopoly of oil marketers.
As long as we remain oil dependent, all hopes of a strong currency remain a foolish pipe dream. The greater your exports, the stronger your currency- because the more dollars you have (in relation to your curreny), the cheaper it is.
The only way this policy works is if the govt begins immediate, MASSIVE industrialisation- with SOLE FOCUS ON POWER GENERATION to drive diversification.
The alternative is to have more than one forex trading currency- like the yuan- to reduce dependence and focus on the dollar, but that plan seems to be dead in the water.
The only hope for our infrastructural development is that govt will give tax breaks, import waivers, startup grants, loan moratoriums, etc.
But that's the job of the economic team, not the cbn...

The '41 items' part needs proper explanation, are they going to be contraband? Or they simply can't be sold Forex at the banks for such items . . . they will find a way around that; might not be easy, but they can.

The "appointed primary dealers" part though . . . all I can smell is another cesspool of corruption -- I don't know what rules will guide those though . . . it is all still in the air.


The Yuan deal thing would have offered a lift.


By and large, the fiscal policies that back this up, will go a long way in either sinking the Naira, or letting it stay afloat.
Re: Naira Float; The Pros And Cons. by aloeman15(m): 8:15pm On Jun 15, 2016
I forgot to add-
If the govt truly plans to spend N500billion on welfare programs, prepare for a zimbabwe situation.
You don't stimulate an economy by spending on consumption. This is just basic economics.
Left to me, scrap the npower teaching plan and convert all applicants into entrepreneurs.
Split the money in 5 places-
2 parts for power sector- split between local renewables and non-renewables like coal and gas. 1 for transportation networks. 1 for farming- split between cash and catch crops. Last part for construction projects- split between low cost housing and rural development.
Form clusters in each state for real sector job creation- housing, mechanised farming, agro-allied industries, etc.
Support all the above with govt policies, eg- if we import your cars, you must set up parts manufacturing within 3 years and an assembly plant in 5 years. Full production within 10 years. All with skills acquisition and transfer to full local staff within 3-5 years.
This way in one year graduates become real, embedded stakeholders in a revived economy with REAL SECTOR EXPORTS and an expanding ripple effect on ancillary services- food, repairs, hospitality, machine tooling, factory setup, local manufacturing, etc.

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Re: Naira Float; The Pros And Cons. by 989900: 8:33pm On Jun 15, 2016
aloeman15:
I forgot to add-
If the govt truly plans to spend N500billion on welfare programs, prepare for a zimbabwe situation.
You don't stimulate an economy by spending on consumption. This is just basic economics.
Left to me, scrap the npower teaching plan and convert all applicants into entrepreneurs.
Split the money in 5 places-
2 parts for power sector- split between local renewables and non-renewables like coal and gas. 1 for transportation networks. 1 for farming- split between cash and catch crops. Last part for construction projects- split between low cost housing and rural development.
Form clusters in each state for real sector job creation- housing, mechanised farming, agro-allied industries, etc.
Support all the above with govt policies, eg- if we import your cars, you must set up parts manufacturing within 3 years and an assembly plant in 5 years. Full production within 10 years. All with skills acquisition and transfer to full local staff within 3-5 years.
This way in one year graduates become real, embedded stakeholders in a revived economy with REAL SECTOR EXPORTS and an expanding ripple effect on ancillary services- food, repairs, hospitality, machine tooling, factory setup, local manufacturing, etc.

Well said, but the Npower plan is a good program bar the feeding part (even that will provide jobs and stimulate the economy . . . through ripple effect . . . some companies will be making those supplies). OTOH, the Npower plan caters to artisans, budding entrepreneurs, and other folks too. The teachers will earn money, hence, buy stuffs, -- stimulate the economy while learning and passing on knowledge to others . . . unemployment is one of the major signs of an ailing economy

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Re: Naira Float; The Pros And Cons. by aloeman15(m): 8:36pm On Jun 15, 2016
Well, if from next week I can walk into a bdc and buy or sell dollars, how do you bar importers of the 41 items?
The govt hasn't given anyone confidence that they have a plan for reviving the economy. I stand to be corrected.
Making the naira float is only a tiny part of boosting investor confidence, not if you don't have a blueprint.
Noone's asked if everyone now has access to their domiciled dollars. Is the cbn still going to restrict access?
The smart play for now is to buy dollars before monday. The trading markets and platforms may have to be shut down.
The only reprieve is if the cbn buys them off to shore up our reserves, otherwise anyone with dollars currently trapped in our banks will likely flee with their money. And capital flight usually leads to a run on the banks.
Kind of like when the tsa was abruptly implemented.
Solution- staged release of funds to get a feel and reduce bad perception leading to panic.
989900:


The '41 items' part needs proper explanation, are they going to be contraband? Or they simply can't be sold Forex at the banks for such items . . . they will find a way around that; might not be easy, but they can.

The "appointed primary dealers" part though . . . all I can smell is another cesspool of corruption -- I don't know what rules will guide those though . . . it is all still in the air.


The Yuan deal thing would have offered a lift.


By and large, the fiscal policies that back this up, will go a long way in either sinking the Naira, or letting it stay afloat.


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Re: Naira Float; The Pros And Cons. by aloeman15(m): 8:48pm On Jun 15, 2016
I think we need to be clear on the difference between an economic stimulus and funding job creation.
If the jobs you create don't BRING IN FOREX, then you're operating in a valve system- people will work, earn their wages and- import!
Net effect- loss of forex, weaker naira, economic downturn.
You want to grow your economy, meaning your reserve? You must stimulate FOREX EARNING CAPACITY of the country. Teaching jobs, artisans, even ict at our level- none of these will do that.
Not without massive investment in power generation. Or without Massive industrial growth through food processing factories and manufacturing plants, etc.
989900:


Well said, but the Npower plan is a good program bar the feeding part (even that will provide jobs and stimulate the economy . . . through ripple effect . . . some companies will be making those supplies). OTOH, the Npower plan caters to artisans, budding entrepreneurs, and other folks too. The teachers will earn money, hence, buy stuffs, -- stimulate the economy while learning and passing on knowledge to others . . . unemployment is one of the major signs of an ailing economy
Re: Naira Float; The Pros And Cons. by 989900: 9:20pm On Jun 15, 2016
aloeman15:
I think we need to be clear on the difference between an economic stimulus and funding job creation.
If the jobs you create don't BRING IN FOREX, then you're operating in a valve system- people will work, earn their wages and- import!
Net effect- loss of forex, weaker naira, economic downturn.
You want to grow your economy, meaning your reserve? You must stimulate FOREX EARNING CAPACITY of the country. Teaching jobs, artisans, even ict at our level- none of these will do that.
Not without massive investment in power generation. Or without Massive industrial growth through food processing factories and manufacturing plants, etc.

There is no economic law stating we can't or shouldn't do both (this country was paying billions every month to ghost workers!). There is no way government would look away from creating jobs. Power is being addressed, refineries are being addressed, Agric , and other things we've all mentioned are being addressed . . . focus and sustaining the tempo is the only worry.

BTW, our imports are fuel: 30-40%, repatriation of funds: 30-40%, and food: 10%, the rest is negligible and the impact of N23,000/month on that is even far negligible if you get my drift.

Once power supply is increased (like you rightly mentioned), and importation of fuel and especially rice is greatly reduced, there goes almost 40-50% of our import bills erased.
Re: Naira Float; The Pros And Cons. by aloeman15(m): 10:28pm On Jun 15, 2016
All of that is fine and dandy, but we're talking of a govt that's been struggling to find it's feet from day one.
Between the perception of potential investors and the primary focus of govt, any policy that distracts from income generation casts the country in a bad light.
And we really don't have the time or resources to gamble 500billion naira.
Who knows when applicants will start work? When will power improve? When will non- oil exports meet our budgetary needs? When will houses be built? What plans are in place to start processing cocoa on an industrial scale? (see what happened to tomatoes?)
Can govt give investors a timeline for these things?
My point is that teaching jobs for graduates are about the worst policy to start with- we've already been told that there will be only partial implementation of capital projects. Why not spend money on what will make you more money, instead of on teaching?
There's already a budget deficit of 700billion!
And we're still hoping to stop the nda bombings.
Focus your investments on diversification and your infrastructure so you'll have an income tomorrow.
989900:


There is no economic law stating we can't or shouldn't do both (this country was paying billions every month to ghost workers!). There is no way government would look away from creating jobs. Power is being addressed, refineries are being addressed, Agric , and other things we've all mentioned are being addressed . . . focus and sustaining the tempo is the only worry.

BTW, our imports are fuel: 30-40%, repatriation of funds: 30-40%, and food: 10%, the rest is negligible and the impact of N23,000/month on that is even far negligible if you get my drift.

Once power supply is increased (like you rightly mentioned), and importation of fuel and especially rice is greatly reduced, there goes almost 40-50% of our import bills erased.
Re: Naira Float; The Pros And Cons. by 989900: 6:00am On Jun 16, 2016
In the large scheme of things, this bodes well for the government's finance of this year's budget. While the futures of salary increase/non-increase, and foreign debts repayment, might need some few months to evaluate.
Re: Naira Float; The Pros And Cons. by JohnNgene: 9:22am On Jun 16, 2016
If, if, if... So many IFs. Lol.
I'm enjoying the back and forth discussion between the two of you.
Sorry for my interruption. Lol. Please go on.
Re: Naira Float; The Pros And Cons. by aloeman15(m): 12:22pm On Jun 16, 2016
Thanks.
I try to avoid making assumptions. I prefer to ask questions or make projections based on current or past events.
Let me summarise-
The first failure is the timing. Use tomatoes as an example- everyone who can will now import and sell based on market forces. No more barriers so long as you can afford it.
All 41 items are back in play. In fact, now their prices will drop due to easier forex access, even if dollar is expensive.
Foreign investors are not coming. Not when govt still has no economic blueprint. WORSE STILL, since buhari can make a drastic u-turn on something he's been adamant about right up to his most recent media chat, then what else can change in govt policy?! This is what Real Sector Investors are thinking.
When dangote needs dollars, he'll place a call to emefiele and get what he wants at N199. He's already been promised whatever he needs to complete his refinery. Many of us don't know that.
The designated agents will become a cabal. This is unavoidable. They'll determine demand and supply.
There isn't a single food item that we're self-sufficient in, not garri, corn or even drinking water (the plastic bags are mostly imported). But govt dollar restrictions curbed imports. No more. Expect the cbn to impose even more bans before end of october.
Again, inevitable. Unless of course, govt has plans to be earning even more non-oil dollars within the next 3 months? Didn't think so.
When you flood a naira-saturated system with N500billion, the value will crash. Simple.
Leading to full-blown hyperinflation. And a depression.
After all, we're already in a full recession.
There's almost a page worth of info to add. No time abeg.
To summarise the summary- chaos is coming.
JohnNgene:
If, if, if... So many IFs. Lol.

I'm enjoying the back and forth discussion between the two of you.

Sorry for my interruption. Lol. Please go on.
Re: Naira Float; The Pros And Cons. by aloeman15(m): 12:31pm On Jun 16, 2016
I just remembered.
Are you aware that the two tomato processing plants- dangote and erisco- are now lying useless? Combined capacity of over 500,000 tons, but no material for production.
What happens to their financing plan and funding agreements? What of their staff? And the transporters, farmers, markets, sachet makers, carton producers, etc, etc?
An entire value chain rendered useless because of sluggish and ineffectual govt action on a recurrent problem.
This pestilence happened in the last govt. We didn't even hear of it.
What investor is going to bring in hard currency when we can't solve simple problems?
Re: Naira Float; The Pros And Cons. by 989900: 12:37pm On Jun 16, 2016
aloeman15:
Thanks.
I try to avoid making assumptions. I prefer to ask questions or make projections based on current or past events.
Let me summarise-
The first failure is the timing. Use tomatoes as an example- everyone who can will now import and sell based on market forces. No more barriers so long as you can afford it.
All 41 items are back in play. In fact, now their prices will drop due to easier forex access, even if dollar is expensive.
Foreign investors are not coming. Not when govt still has no economic blueprint. WORSE STILL, since buhari can make a drastic u-turn on something he's been adamant about right up to his most recent media chat, then what else can change in govt policy?! This is what Real Sector Investors are thinking.
When dangote needs dollars, he'll place a call to emefiele and get what he wants at N199. He's already been promised whatever he needs to complete his refinery. Many of us don't know that.
The designated agents will become a cabal. This is unavoidable. They'll determine demand and supply.
There isn't a single food item that we're self-sufficient in, not garri, corn or even drinking water (the plastic bags are mostly imported). But govt dollar restrictions curbed imports. No more. Expect the cbn to impose even more bans before end of october.
Again, inevitable. Unless of course, govt has plans to be earning even more non-oil dollars within the next 3 months? Didn't think so.
When you flood a naira-saturated system with N500billion, the value will crash. Simple.
Leading to full-blown hyperinflation. And a depression.
After all, we're already in a full recession.
There's almost a page worth of info to add. No time abeg.
To summarise the summary- chaos is coming.

1. Foreign investors are already here. The stock market already reacted positively within hours. Same foreign investors (portfolio) told Kemi in the recent roadshow in the UK that this is what they need on the forex front (basically ability to be able to repatriate funds).

2. Nigeria has never had a more inspiring fiscal economic blueprint (monetary policies have been whack no doubt) than what we have now; at least not in the past 30 something years.

3. That is N500b a year; not a one day nor a one month spend.



It's good we see things from different perspectives though -- I am optimistic that if you sincerely couple sound monetary and fiscal policies together, and implement it religiously -- the sky is the limit. Time will tell . . .
Re: Naira Float; The Pros And Cons. by aloeman15(m): 1:30pm On Jun 16, 2016
1. It's a wait and see matter. I dare anyone to bring up a single concrete commitment by foreign investors from that meeting. Separate sound bites from actionable reports.
2. If the float is the fiscal policy, sorry. See my past posts above.
3. First, govt says they can't meet their capital framework and have dropped some projects. Then next was that Govt can't find 700billion for their 1st quarter capital projects. They're the ones who used 'budget deficit' o! Not me.
But you'll still spend 500billion on consumption- sweet news to oyibo cos na importation of foodstuff and tabs dem go take chop us one time!
So yes, spend it. They'll collect the money. We'll suffer the repercussions.
989900:


1. Foreign investors are already here. The stock market already reacted positively within hours. Same foreign investors (portfolio) told Kemi in the recent roadshow in the UK that this is what they need on the forex front (basically ability to be able to repatriate funds).

2. Nigeria has never had a more inspiring fiscal economic blueprint (monetary policies have been whack no doubt) than what we have now; at least not in the past 30 something years.

3. That is N500b a year; not a one day nor a one month spend.



It's good we see things from different perspectives though -- I am optimistic that if you sincerely couple sound monetary and fiscal policies together, and implement it religiously -- the sky is the limit. Time will tell . . .
Re: Naira Float; The Pros And Cons. by 989900: 1:45pm On Jun 16, 2016
aloeman15:
1. It's a wait and see matter. I dare anyone to bring up a single concrete commitment by foreign investors from that meeting. Separate sound bites from actionable reports.
2. If the float is the fiscal policy, sorry. See my past posts above.
3. First, govt says they can't meet their capital framework and have dropped some projects. Then next was that Govt can't find 700billion for their 1st quarter capital projects. They're the ones who used 'budget deficit' o! Not me.
But you'll still spend 500billion on consumption- sweet news to oyibo cos na importation of foodstuff and tabs dem go take chop us one time!
So yes, spend it. They'll collect the money. We'll suffer the repercussions.

The float or 'dirty float' is the monetary policy. The fiscal will be intelligent management of gov't spendings and generating revenue.
Re: Naira Float; The Pros And Cons. by aloeman15(m): 2:40pm On Jun 16, 2016
Our biggest fear, and the only question that matters is-
How soon does govt plan to start earning more dollars to shore up our reserves?
This is so critical that the whole nation should be harassing our nass members day and night for answers.
But we won't.
989900:


The float or 'dirty float' is the monetary policy. The fiscal will be intelligent management of gov't spendings and generating revenue.

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