felixomor:
This one has been debunked long ago.

A man fraudulently drew fetuses of different animals to look alike and use it as argument for evolution.

It was a desperate measure, but has been debunked.

Here are the real things, what they actually look like versus the fraudulent diagrams u there.

No similarities, to be honest.

CoolUsername:


You say his diagram is fraudulent. Yet you bring one that only shows one foetal stage. The test ate early stages of embryonic development.

Christian al- taqiyya?

felixomor:
This one has been debunked long ago.

A man fraudulently drew fetuses of different animals to look alike and use it as argument for evolution.

It was a desperate measure, but has been debunked.

Here are the real things, what they actually look like versus the fraudulent diagrams u there.

No similarities, to be honest.

felixomor:


My brother this is my field.
There are only 2 stages of devt. in utero.

One embryonic stage
and One fetal stage

I dont know how many other fetal stages u r trying to teach me again.

Moreover, that U see a carbon copy of me somewhere at one particular moment doesnt mean I have the same DNA with that person as a matter of fact, that can never happen.
Nor does it connote we have same ancestors.

CoolUsername:


And the picture he posted is false in both cases, right? Where is the fraud here?

jonbellion:
lmao!!! Dude there is a specific study for this sh*t embryology. It was even noted by biologist Earnest Haeckel he wrote about it in his 1874 textbook. At the time the drawings weren't 100% accurate but modern imaging shows that compared to end-stage embryos, the early-stage embryos of different species are vastly more similar morphologically. Dude I know you're a christian and stuff but you guys don't have to lie for jesus na. You guys are already happy over an innocent man being sacrificed so you can escape accountability.. Like that kind of crap is practised in our courts today.. You guys are okay with it anyway sooo.. But the thing is you guys don't have to lie again na isn't this too much. Creationists sha nawa

felixomor:


But u know if u see somebody that looks identically like me on the street, does it actually serve as evidence that me and that individual have same ancestors..........

At least, U be the honest one now.

Lennycool:

Really? That's what your going for, comparing embryo development to facial features?

CoolUsername:

Christian al- taqiyya?

Lennycool:
Evolution is indeed a fact accepted by the scientific community, yet it is strongly rejected in most religious circles because it undermines the presence of a creator(though some religious groups have accepted it as still the work of God, and have approached Genesis as allegorical). Most of the people that reject it do so because of their religion and little understanding of what evolution really is, to put it plainly.
Evolution is a process by which organism adapt to suit to their environment, by passing advantageous genes over to their offsprings.
A trait possessed by an organism that helps the organism survive will be passed on to its offsprings, while those with traits not suitable to its environment will eventually die out. Natural selection.
What this means is that organism already well suited to their environment require no evolutionary change and will remain the same, we see examples of this with the shark and crocodiles that have gone millions of years virtually unchanged. While those not well suited will change, examples include humans, whales etcetera.

The peppered moth is a great example of observed evolution, before the industrial revolution(a time in which humans depended extensively on machines) peppered moth were more abundant in the white variety, but after the industrial revolution the black moths became abundant and the white ones scarce, this was because the grime and soot caused by the revolution made it more easy to spot the white moth, hence more of them were killed, while the dark ones blended easily. Now the dark moths reproduced and spread their genes to offsprings, while the white ones already drastically reduced in number will pass on their genes to offsprings who will still have a harder time blending in, and will eventually become very rare and close to extinction. This is evolution, survival of the fittest, we see the process of evolution again in bacteria that are becoming harder to fight off with drugs due to evolution. The bacteria affected by the drugs are wiped out, while does that are immune will continue to multiply, this is troubling as one day they may evolve to the point by which drugs can no longer kill them.

Evidence of Evolution has been found in archeological remains of dinosaurs(ancestors of birds), mammoths(ancestors of modern day elephants, protected from the cold by their fur, which they lost after the iceage. ..

felixomor:


of course, they are both controlled by DNA

felixomor:


of course, they are both controlled by DNA

Lennycool:

Ahh but DNA extends beyond just facial features, you might have same facial features but different blood groups, height, eye colour. Facial features doesn't mean anything when it comes to DNA, except the fact that you might have similar genes(subset of DNA),in that aspect. What I gave above is proof of a common ancestor, humans share 98% of our DNA with chimpanzees, how can this be explained without a common ancestor.

felixomor:


Sorry bro.
That bolded statement is wrong.
Facial features, fetal dev., etc are all determined by DNA.

And check it, chimazees are not the only living things we share common DNA with.
We even share similar DNA with some trees like banana and tobacco.

felixomor:


My brother this is my field.
There are only 2 stages of devt. in utero.

One embryonic stage
and One fetal stage

I dont know how many other fetal stages u r trying to teach me again.

Moreover, that U see a carbon copy of me somewhere at one particular moment doesnt mean I have the same DNA with that person as a matter of fact, that can never happen.
Nor does it connote we have same ancestors.

Lennycool:

I said they are determined by a subset of DNA(genes), just because you look like someone doesn't mean you share the same DNA, but it might mean that you have similar genes with regards to facial features. DNA and genes are not the same thing.


I'm well aware of this, we also share DNA with slugs, this doesn't make my point null, rather it reinforces the fact that all life forms have common ancestors to which all life originated from.

Lennycool:

I said they are determined by a subset of DNA(genes), just because you look like someone doesn't mean you share the same DNA, but it might mean that you have similar genes with regards to facial features. DNA and genes are not the same thing.


I'm well aware of this, we also share DNA with slugs, this doesn't make my point null, rather it reinforces the fact that all life forms have common ancestors to which all life originated from.

Gene is a subset of DNA. Think the difference between a car and a car tyre.

[quote]2ndly, U earlier said we and chimps share same ancestors based on dna similarity
And i said dna cant be used as yardstick. because our dna is similar to some plants too.

Moreso, It doesnt reinforce.
because ur claim is that "shared dna" means common ancestry.

Don't switch it to "all living things", because even the evolution doesnt say all living things have same ancestors.

Lennycool:

Lennycool:
Evolution is indeed a fact accepted by the scientific community, yet it is strongly rejected in most religious circles because it undermines the presence of a creator(though some religious groups have accepted it as still the work of God, and have approached Genesis as allegorical). Most of the people that reject it do so because of their religion and little understanding of what evolution really is, to put it plainly.
Evolution is a process by which organism adapt to suit to their environment, by passing advantageous genes over to their offsprings.
A trait possessed by an organism that helps the organism survive will be passed on to its offsprings, while those with traits not suitable to its environment will eventually die out. Natural selection.
What this means is that organism already well suited to their environment require no evolutionary change and will remain the same, we see examples of this with the shark and crocodiles that have gone millions of years virtually unchanged. While those not well suited will change, examples include humans, whales etcetera.

The peppered moth is a great example of observed evolution, before the industrial revolution(a time in which humans depended extensively on machines) peppered moth were more abundant in the white variety, but after the industrial revolution the black moths became abundant and the white ones scarce, this was because the grime and soot caused by the revolution made it more easy to spot the white moth, hence more of them were killed, while the dark ones blended easily. Now the dark moths reproduced and spread their genes to offsprings, while the white ones already drastically reduced in number will pass on their genes to offsprings who will still have a harder time blending in, and will eventually become very rare and close to extinction. This is evolution, survival of the fittest, we see the process of evolution again in bacteria that are becoming harder to fight off with drugs due to evolution. The bacteria affected by the drugs are wiped out, while does that are immune will continue to multiply, this is troubling as one day they may evolve to the point by which drugs can no longer kill them.

Evidence of Evolution has been found in archeological remains of dinosaurs(ancestors of birds), mammoths(ancestors of modern day elephants, protected from the cold by their fur, which they lost after the iceage).

But the most controversial of all are the hominids(Early human ancestors), there are a lot of misconceptions about hominids, such as that they are apes, which is completely false, the hominids are not apes, but rather ancestors that both humans and primates share. They are not apes. And some transitional links have been found, the most famous of all being Lucy found in Ethiopia. Humans also share common ancestors with a lot of other animals, below is a picture of early embryo development of some animals and humans, you can compare. Evolution is real whether we like it or not. Keep your religion but don't let it cloud your reason.

felixomor:


By the way, notice as u av switched from "similar dna" gradually u will soon arrive at "anything that has dna" have same ancestry.
And Sorry, u can as well just say the universe and all living things share same ancestry?

Afterall, at a much much much earlier stage, abi?

Afterall too, everything broken down becomes carbon, hydrogen and oxygen

Thashen:
The Early Embryo Development is a piece of fake shïet. It does not prove that Evolution is a factual occurrence, or that it is more plausible than creationism! Go and do a proper research, my son, and you'll realize Ernst Haeckel's theory was proven to have been fabricated, and the data manufactured.

It was discovered that Ernst had exaggerated the similarities in early embryos by idealizations and omissions. He also copied the same figure over and over again, and his plastic drawings and claims were being used to sell Darwin's theory of evolution to gullible dingbats like yourself.

He even went as far as blaming the artist for the discrepancies, when he in fact was the artist!

Lennycool:


True again, everything in the universe came from the bigbang, an event that created everything that is and ever will be in the universe. In essence we share the same origin with everything around us, from the rocks, to oxygen atoms, to the gentle butterfly and the colossal sun. Isn't life just beautiful, its a continuous circle, just like stars had to die for us to get the earth and everything in it. Just as their had to be atleast four massive extinction level events in which 98% of the lifeforms that had ever lived on earth, most notably the dinosaurs went extinct, for humans to survive. To put it in more existential terms, everything that has ever happened in the history of the universe, from the bigbang to planetary collisions, to mass extinctions, has led to you and life as you know it. We are all one with the universe, and we can appreciate the Grandeur of the universe without the lens of religion or God. In the words of Stephen Hawkins "Be thankful for the life you do have and don't be so selfish and presumptuous as to expect another."
Your death makes way for more life. I thank you for helping me notice that more. I'm a better person today because of it.

felixomor:


So since we have same ancestry with the universe, who then decides what has Dna and what doesnt have Dna? Afterall rocks dont have DNA, do they?
Remember ur common ancestry claim started from "similar dna" in chimpazees.
Who decides what becomes rock without DNA and what becomes birds with DNa?
As a matter of fact who writes the DNa to give a bird, its streamlined shape and feathers for the sky?

In short u mentioned death too, who determines man's time is up, why dont we just keep eating, excreting and reproducing?

Its obvious u have not seen the complexity of the human brain.
Who designed the dna code for such a computer?
Or have u seen any code without an author?

Lennycool:

The brain and all biological complexities arrived by evolutio n, vis-a-vis trial, error and reproduction.
I don't dismiss the possibility of a creator that might have started the universe(though I believe if it did exist it had no had in designing life, because life is imperfect). I do however dismiss any notion of a religious God(s), that answers prayers, and interferes with the lives of humans. God is an arrogant concept of humans, the thought that a being powerful enough to create the infinite Cosmos, would care about your exam or job interview. It is truly silly.

Lennycool:

I'm sorry but where is your proof of this, you should think well before mocking the propositions of those smarter and more accomplished than you. Embryology is not my creation, and it is an accepted truth of evolution.
Below is a link for those that care for it
http://necsi.edu/projects/evolution/evidence/embryos/evidence_embryo.html