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Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(m): 9:29am On Jan 05, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord: God would grant you your wish. |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(m): 9:41am On Jan 05, 2017 |
hahn: Are you That Naive to see the difference between now and then when Africa practised only traditional religeon or do you think Africa was Athiests? you will have to look at the history of the continent of Africa itself; especially sub-Saharan Africa. What was the history of the continent before the advent of Christianity? How has the culture changed? How has the human view of self been changed? I believe you as an African are in many ways more qualified than I to answer this. I have studied the history of Africa quite a bit, but I am not part of that culture. I believe that with the advent of Christianity in parts of Africa, there has been a huge change is the amount of superstition. Traditional, animist religion saw humans as being subject to the whims of local gods. People saw phenomena such as weather, disease and human fate as subject to the whims of varios gods. There were many taboos intended to influence such superstitious beliefs. Under these pagan beliefs such activities as drunkenness, sexual immorality, sexual abuse and violence were rampant. Modern Africa is moving away from these superstitions. Under the influence of Christianity, education, personal responsibility, personal morality and individual freedom are all improving. Of course, the picture is not all rosy. Africa, and specifically Nigeria is subject to many problems, including corruption, greed, continued sexual immorality and violence. Christianity has clearly not completely taken hold in Africa. Of course, it has not in Europe or North America as well. Time will tell whether Christian values will continue to have more influence in Africa. One can only hope that it does. |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by Nobody: 10:14am On Jan 05, 2017 |
blueAgent: considering that God lost one-third of his army/angel in just one fight that made it looks like he is not invincible afterall and that make fighting him again and again and again and a... an irresistible offer/desire; remember: some battles are not won by fighting once God knowing fully well the future that Adam will surely eat the fruit and while creating 1/3 of his angel he know they belong to devil shows that he is not all loving and have no evil creating the devil knowing what he will become and then sending him to our planet is the greatest evil of all time to him who knows good and do not do it is evil to him who knows evil and proceed to do it is the greatest evil 1 Like |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by Nobody: 10:17am On Jan 05, 2017 |
blueAgent: considering that God lost one-third of his army/angel in just one fight, that made it looks like he is not invincible afterall and that make fighting him again and again and again and a.... an irresistible offer/desire; remember: some battles are not won by fighting once God knowing fully well the future that Adam will surely eat the fruit and while creating 1/3 of his angel he know they belong to devil shows that he is not all loving and have no evil creating the devil knowing what he will become and then sending him to our planet is the greatest evil of all time to him who knows good and do not do it, is evil to him who knows evil and proceed to do it is the greatest evil |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(m): 11:54am On Jan 05, 2017 |
oluwaseyi000: God is all knowing all powerfull he decides what he will do and how he will do it. God is too big to fit into your narrative rather you should learn to fit your narrative into God's plan. |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(m): 12:01pm On Jan 05, 2017 |
Lady39: Are you an Adeventist? |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by 0ubenji(m): 12:31pm On Jan 05, 2017 |
blueAgent:If I'll be fair with u and hold onto ur perspective on why God caused evil on d amorites cause of their ways. God caused afflictions on job, an obedient servant coz? |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by Nobody: 12:37pm On Jan 05, 2017 |
blueAgent: i have no problem with God doing whatever he like when or how he like it but why he is never doing the noble thing of accepting responsibilities for his actions: why blame Adam when you pre-know (all knowing) that he will fail the test why blame the devil when you pre-know before creating him of the terror he choicelessly become (acting or doing otherwise than what God pre know is not possible) why blame Judas when you pre-know that Jesus will never surrender himself to be killed but rather will need Judas to betray him so that he (Jesus) could be killed for our sins why unnecessarily harden and influenced Pharaoh's mind and yet blame him why blame Esau when you pre-know and create the elder to serve the younger you joint-hand with the devil (one of your pre-know)to punish Job if God pre-know then what is the position of our so called "free will" are we truly free-willed or we are simply acting a script from God? 2 Likes |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by hahn(m): 1:55pm On Jan 05, 2017 |
blueAgent: But god knew he would rebel before he rebelled, right? And everything is created by god for his convenience and pleasure so he created the devil to taunt us so he can throw billions of people, all of which he already knows they will end up there, in hell for eternity. Right? 3 Likes |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by Nobody: 1:55pm On Jan 05, 2017 |
blueAgent: How else could I know that book...lol? 1 Like |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by Nobody: 2:05pm On Jan 05, 2017 |
i may be wrong but i think Freewill is not an invitation to endless choice: you have free will to attend or not attend a party (no police will question you) you have free will to attend a choice university you have free will to vote for, against or not vote at all for a political party marriage is free will you do not have free will to kill (hence a ready-waiting punishment) you do not have free will NOT to pay tax (it is by force: hence punishment) we cant be said to have free will to worship or not worship God, (the fell of God's hell) |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(m): 7:56am On Jan 06, 2017 |
hahn: You are assuming everything is fixed.God knew what the Devil will become he allowed for the good of the entire universe. Everyone has an opportunity to avoid Hell,God's will is not to comdeme people to Hell, people willingly make their choice. |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(m): 7:58am On Jan 06, 2017 |
Lady39: That's Nice. |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(m): 8:09am On Jan 06, 2017 |
0ubenji: If you Read the Bible you will see it was the Devil and not God that Afflicted Job. Job2:7 So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord, and struck Job with painful boils from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head. And he took for himself a potsherd with which to scrape himself while he sat in the midst of the ashes. |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(m): 8:15am On Jan 06, 2017 |
oluwaseyi000: If God decided not to create Adam or Eve becos he knows they will fail the test. it will no longer be freewill. becos God is now making choices for them. |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(m): 8:20am On Jan 06, 2017 |
oluwaseyi000: Look there is nothing like total freedom. God gave us the gift of freewill but we can only use it in accordance to Divine laws and princples. Example: In our Society today ,freedom of Speech does not mean that you can insult people anyhow.No there are laws that Guide peoples conduct while still allowing them freedom to make their choices. same In Democracy or any insistution. |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by hahn(m): 9:13am On Jan 06, 2017 |
blueAgent: The bone of contention is, "if god is all knowing then it definitely knows those who will make heaven or not". Right or wrong? |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by 0ubenji(m): 10:26am On Jan 06, 2017 |
blueAgent:If u actually read d bible well as a good Christian. You of all ppl shud knw God specifically permitted d evil on job; an obedient servant. 1 Like |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(m): 10:46am On Jan 06, 2017 |
0ubenji: Yes God permitted it. but it was the Devils accusation that Job served God for material blessings and not his love for God that prompted God to ask Satan in Chapter to look at Job a Man who fears God contrary to the Devils accusation that no man can observe(serve God honestly) God's Divine laws. in totality God used Job sitution to illustrate to the Devil and all humanity what it means to love or serve God. The Question to learn here Is , Is God only good to you only in the time of blessings or would he still remain your God in the time of Adversity? |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(m): 11:01am On Jan 06, 2017 |
hahn: Yes God knows. |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by hahn(m): 12:09pm On Jan 06, 2017 |
blueAgent: If it knows and everything is in it's "divine plan" and everything works for it's glory then people who burn him hell do not have any choice because they will go to hell anyways since god wills it. Therefore, it is god's pleasure people burn in hell Not to mention the fact that there is more suffering than enjoyment on earth which also signifies that it enjoys watching it's creations suffer Oh, what a loving god 2 Likes |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by Nobody: 3:37pm On Jan 06, 2017 |
blueAgent: Yes..16 yrs. in & it's a beautiful thing... |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(m): 7:34pm On Jan 06, 2017 |
hahn: God knows does not mean he is responsible for them going to Hell. What God sees is their final destination based on the choice they have made God does not influence their final decision. |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(m): 7:36pm On Jan 06, 2017 |
Lady39: Where you born an Adventist? |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by Nobody: 8:28pm On Jan 06, 2017 |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by 0ubenji(m): 10:22pm On Jan 06, 2017 |
blueAgent:nd d smart devil had to whine God to afflict an obedient servant of his to prove what we suppose God already knows... Nd u call dis love? The devil can as well whine God to wipe off the whole of Nigeria to prove a point nd God will definitely do it according to u.. Out of love I don't quite understand the angle from which u read dat bible with u tho.. 1 Like |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(m): 7:47am On Jan 07, 2017 |
0ubenji: God was the one who intiated the conversation not the Devil. the purpose of this trials is not for God's intrest only but also the Heavenly beings who are watching the entire drama.How would the angels understand that Job can remain faithful in face of adversity if God does not allow such? God knows but do the angels or Man or the Devil know? Job's Incident was a lesson to all created beings and not just about God knowing or not knowing. |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(m): 7:50am On Jan 07, 2017 |
Lady39: Wow... thats nice,so you felt you were worshipping on the wrong day? |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by 0ubenji(m): 12:30pm On Jan 07, 2017 |
blueAgent:the initiator of a conversation is not a determinant to who whines who. U seem to av one strange thought that God tries to impress ppl or angels or Satan at the detriment of the well-being of obedient servants in d name of love. This is exactly the picture your ridiculous story of God's love paints. |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by Nobody: 10:33pm On Jan 07, 2017 |
blueAgent: Well I wasn't very spiritual growing up. I just did the normal church routine..& prayer before dinner type thing. I knew "of God" but I had no relationship with Him. Was attending a church during my college days--just to thank God for a very, very special gift...& thus began my journey. I did feel after 1 month, that the church wasn't the one I was supposed to be attending..so I began praying...& a few days later my prayer was answered! 1 Like |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(m): 9:33pm On Jan 08, 2017 |
Lady39: Thats Nice. and whats that special gift? |
Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by sonmvayina(m): 9:33pm On Jan 08, 2017 |
It is called the law of duality...good and evil, up and down, cold and hot, day and night...etc..they are just like the two side of a coin. without one the other is useless and meaning less.. it does not mean that one God is responsible for good and another is responsible for evil..itid God that is responsible for both..to God, they both mean the same thing..the God thst cteate is the same God thst destroys.. |
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