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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Probz(m): 1:30pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
baby124: And you know nothing about Igbo cuisine so shit your own mouth. Una get akpurakpu egusi? 2 Likes |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by maclatunji: 1:30pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
The Yoruba had internal civil war after the Oyo Empire which had united the race began to crumble. These civil war provided a large portion of the Yoruba people sold into slavery. Igbo people wanting to argue can bring the Igbo empire that crumbled that led to their people being sold into slavery. There is none to mention, it was the Benin Empire, with its Satellites like the Ijaw, Itshekiri, Urhobo etc. That were raiding them for the most part. 2 Likes |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by scholes0(m): 1:31pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
Chukazu: Yes you are right, borrowing is a deature of languages world over, but you won’t see any Yoruba claiming Ugu is a Yoruba word. Some Igbos here however want to lay exclusive claim to words they actually borrowed from Yoruba. They arent even saying it is shared, they are claiming to own them This shouldn’t be about ego, but facts. 2 Likes |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by konoplyanka: 1:32pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
Lordave: Please stop with your ignorance. Yoruba just know ibo I n less than 150 years ago. We had nothing in common and didn't have any contact before the Advent of the colonialists. Ibos it is easy to borrow words from hausas which we have had contact with for centuries than ibos. Also, Edo had influence on ibos and could have made borrowing yoruba words easy. You don't borrow words from people in foreign land unless they come to learn from your land. |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by somegirl1: 1:33pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
maclatunji: Hurt? Is that your go-to comeback when you're unable to defend your claim? You said Igbos were dominated by Binis.Prove it using the universal litmus tests of language, culture, place names etc. instead of making up stuff. The kidnap and selling of Igbos by other groups and within Igbo groups does not point to them having been dominated by any group. 5 Likes |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Probz(m): 1:33pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
scholes0: and some Yorubas on here want to lay exclusive claim to words that are shared between Igbo and Yoruba. Ogede’s one of them. Comman fight Obinna. 4 Likes |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Probz(m): 1:34pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
baby124 Una get akpurakpu egusi? Mgbam? 1 Like |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by konoplyanka: 1:34pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
somegirl1: You know the influence of benins on anioma and onitsha right? 1 Like |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by scholes0(m): 1:35pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
Probz: lol your name is nowhere close to Obinna. I wish I understood more Igbo though, so that i could bust many of your claims. |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by enimooko: 1:36pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
Mtcheewwww. igbo in Israel, Igbo in republican America and now igbo in jamaica |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Probz(m): 1:37pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
scholes0: My name’s nowhere close to Obinna? According to who? 2 Likes |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Lordave: 1:38pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
maclatunji:As usual, you're missing the who point of the discourse and trying too hard to make a ridicule of your initial brainfart just to massage your bigoted ego. She asked how is it possible there are no much influence of the superior civilizations that captured and sold Igbos on the Igbos today? But the influence of Igbos are scattered almost all over Souther Nigeria? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by scholes0(m): 1:38pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
konoplyanka: Most of these Yoruba words in Igbo are less that 50 years old, not to mention 150. Although many more ete even okder. And the infusion is still going on. Also many Yoruboid words entered Ika and Northern Igbo dialects that you won’t find in places like Abia or Imo. Go and fight with history not me. I don’t know about Igbo but Yorubas were in contact with pretty much every ethnic group in southern Nigeria, Northern nigeria and Dahomey including Igbos. except Ibibios. Yoruba contact with Igbos did happen. There are Okukumi communities in Anioma for example. Those Igbos in the Imo basin and all those Abia people on the other hand only had little contact with the rest of Nigeria. 2 Likes |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by somegirl1: 1:39pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
konoplyanka:Some of them claim to originate from Bini, which would mean that Igbos dominated over them, rather than the other way round ; as demonstrated by the Igbo influence in their language, culture, place names and phenotype (arguably) 7 Likes |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by konoplyanka: 1:40pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
Probz: Logically, who do you think could have borrowed each other's language between Yoruba and ibo? Knowing that 99% of yoruba don't visit iboland and don't even understand your language while 30% of your people have visited Yorubaland and could speak a little of the language. 6 Likes |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Nobody: 1:40pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
TerrorSquad147: Liars and arrogant bastards with overinflated egos pisses me off. "The slaves had unwritten rules which the slave owners WERE compelled to follow" Where in history, has a slave ever forced the master to follow some unwritten rules, I guess you lot developed the plantation so that might be true. 1 Like |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by maestroferddi: 1:41pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
Probz:What the hell is ogede doing in Igbo? The Igbo word for banana is unere. 6 Likes |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by konoplyanka: 1:41pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
somegirl1:but today they are ibos. And ibos never had king's but almost every street in iboland now have an eze. |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by BabaIbo: 1:41pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
baby124:oniro oshi, I know Yoruba people very well.. everything you wrote there is a lie, in fact pure lie... tell me one soup yorubas cook with ugu or bitterleaf... yoruba people make their vegetable soup or soup with green(which is also borrowed from igbo) or tete or arowonjeja.. 1 Like |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by bibe(m): 1:42pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
Probz: Another Igbo word for banana is unere. |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Probz(m): 1:42pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
[quote author=maestroferddi post=64417363]What the hell is ogede doing in Igbo? The Igbo word for banana is unere.[/quote There’s this local plantain mai mai we’ve got in Igbo called ukpo ogede. Why ogede and not unere if the second one’s the only Igbo word for plantain? 1 Like |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by maclatunji: 1:43pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
somegirl1: LOL, sorry but you seem to have forgotten that Igboland is landlocked. For Igbo slaves to have made it to the coast meant they were under the controllers of the shorelines. You would have to either go through Calabar or other parts of the Nigerdelta coast under the control of the Benin Empire. No need to get upset, it is an historical fact, the Europeans preferred to stay on the coast and Conduct their business. There was no Igbo Empire to come visit in the Hinterland. Even Badagry got relevance for the same reason. It was the preferred port for the Oyo Empire's slave trade. If you want to argue bring your Igbo empire. Igbo settlements at time would hardly reach a village of 500 people claiming Independence. They would battle other villages if conflicts arose but the return in terms of selling slaves would be insignificant. The only major Empire that could organize the numbers of slaves the Europeans needed in that region effectively is the Benin Kingdom which is also closely allied to the Oyo Empire as they both claim the same source. 1 Like |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Probz(m): 1:43pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
BabaIbo: They’ve got their own version of ofe onugbu to be fair. Ewuro. 5 Likes |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Probz(m): 1:44pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
BabaIbo: They’ve got their own version of ofe onugbu to be fair. Ewuro. Only I don’t think it’s half as popular over there as in our own side. 3 Likes |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Probz(m): 1:45pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
bibe: Plantain, not ordinary banana. Non-cooking bananas are ogede and only ogede in my part of Igboland. 2 Likes |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by maclatunji: 1:47pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
Lordave: Duh, they were taking Igbos and selling them as slaves. There was very little reason to interact culturally with people you simply raided. How come the Obi of Onitsha copies Benin regalia? |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by maestroferddi: 1:47pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
[quote author=konoplyanka post=64417353] Logically, who do you think could have borrowed each other's language between Yoruba and ibo? Knowing that 99% of yoruba don't visit iboland and don't even understand your language while 30% of your people have visited Yorubaland and could speak a little of the language.[/))quote]The melon crop is a native Igbo crop grown centuries Igbo learnt of the of Yorubas let alone having contacts... |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by scholes0(m): 1:47pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
BabaIbo: Sharap there Bitterleaf is Ewuro in Yoruba and it is used to cook very well (Google Obe Ewuro) and see for yourself. You igbos just sitdown in one corner of Festac in Lagos and start making assumptions about all of Yorubaland. Lmao! Ugu on the other hand is pumpkin leaves. and funnily enough, pumpkins aren’t even native to africa. Yorubas have no word for punpkin leaves. 1 Like |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Probz(m): 1:47pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
bibe: Another word for plantain. 1 Like |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Probz(m): 1:48pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
scholes0: But fluted pumpkin leaves don’t grow further west than Delta State. 1 Like |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by BabaIbo: 1:48pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
konoplyanka: mumu, let's just assume that yorubas don't leave their caves(because na hausa full warri, eastern and northern parts of nigeria, is it only when you visit a place that you learn from them? have you ever been to UK or the US but you can type and speak English... you learn from people when there is a form of communication, learning or influence is not limited to those that visit a place as those visiting can also influence and impact knowledge on those they are visiting... anu mpam 6 Likes |
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by RedboneSmith(m): 1:50pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
konoplyanka: First of all, I did not even claim Yoruba people borrowed any word from Igbo. Your brother has actually been the one insinuating that a word that, in all probability was inherited in common, was borrowed from Yoruba. Secondly, Igbo people only started moving into your land in colonial times, in the 20th century. We are talking about words that have been in use in Igboland before that time. So your second point is moot. 1 Like |
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