Let go to my father backyard,I wanted to know how old is guavas leaves..

Deepfeel:


My friend shut up, if you are a christian and you are good with numbers , you will calculate from the day God created this world written in the bible till date is around 4 to 6 thousand years ago

See dis camel, abeg show me the date written on the bible that God created this earth....

Copied: @samuel Garcia quora

First, any proposed “science” about anything about origins and the deep past cannot be science.

If you remember the scientific method (which was created by a creationist Sir Francis Bacon, no less), it requires that for something to be deemed scientific, it must be reproducible and directly observed.

You cannot reproduce or directly observe something either thousands or billions of years ago!

Except.

Through time travel.

Why do I, as a Young Earth Creationist, reject evolution, but also flat earth, hollow earth, etc.?

You can fly above in space to see the round earth. You can drill down inside to see the earth is not hollow. One can see atoms with an electron microscope.

You cannot time travel to see evolution in action. There is no equivalent.

And thus both evolution and creationism are *neither* science. They deal with past events.

All we have is evidence after the fact, not evidence during the fact.

Fossils? Either a result of slow deposit or the worldwide Flood. (Many fossil collections of entire herds of animals in one place require a massive upheaval or disaster)

Layers in rock? Again, either a result of slow deposit or a worldwide flood. (Though this is actually can be experimental, shake up soil in water, and you can see layers similar to the Grand Canyon layers in real time, without waiting millions of years, thus lending that layers can be formed by rapid Flood)

Starlight distances? Either billions of years of universal expansion or the stretching of heavens described in Psalms.

Mutations and other genetic anomalies? Does not actually contradict creationist’s view of genetics. What we argue is not against change, but rather transition, ie singular cell to multicell, plant to animal, sea life to land life, reptile to bird, etc. There is no level of change that has been directly observed at those scales, just hypothesized.

Stalagmite and stalactites? While said to form millions of years in caves, there are many examples where those formed in a few years as recorded.

Ice cores? Either tens of thousands of years or more rapid than first thought. (Though a well-recounted story of a WW2 squadron was buried in ice…. in the layer where it was said to be which formed an apparent Ice Age ten thousand years ago. A rebuttal of it said that ice core forming was random and uneven. Well, then why are you using it to predict time?).

Radiometric dating (and other forms of dating)? A lot of circular reasoning assumptions even inherent in the equations used. It requires one to know the amount of the original material in the past. Which again, requires time travel. Scientists will guess the original amount according to their assumptions, and an evolutionary assumption pervades academia. (A famous one was dating of newly formed rocks after the Saint Helen’s eruption was said to be millions of years until it was revealed to be newly formed.)

It’s not the evidence, but the assumptions and philosophy of interpreting the evidence.

When forensic science, which tries to recount events in just days or years before, itself sends many innocent people in prison, and yet somehow predicting events from thousands or more years ago and call it evolution (or rather, evolutionary philosophy) is more accurate. Somehow.

As for Bible interpretation, the Bible makes it clear to interpret it literally. Jesus took creation literally in His talks. The Bible itself has instructions on how to interpret it and it is literally and precise.

Even the Bible predicts that evolutionary philosophy will be dominant in the last days:

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

2 Peter 3:3–4

Evolution relies on the assumption of uniformatarianism.

Uniformatarianism is the philosophy and idea that everything is going the same rate and doing the same thing. No jumps in rates. No huge disasters like the Flood. Mutation is slow. Everything is uniform. And since we don’t see jumps, slowness in change means billions of years.

Of course, there are minor exceptions within the body of evolutionary work, but in the span of billions of years, they are minor exceptions.

In the present, that may be true that mostly everything is uniform. But in the past, you can’t make that assumption, as you’ve never directly observed it.

And yes, you can’t directly observe creation, either. That’s why it isn’t science. But you can’t call evolution science either. They are the same level.

Which is why I term evolution to be a hypothesis supported by a huge apparatus of non-directly observed evidence.

As a Young Earth Creationist, I believe in the approximate 6000 year old Earth as determined by the Bible.

1 Timothy 6:19-21

Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

cashlurd:
I don't understand how these people always conclude on these number of years... How many years precisely has the world been in existence then?

Carbon dating uncle. Watching Discovery or Nat Geo wild will do some enlightenment, because we're going backwards In Nigeria doesn't mean the world will wait for us. This same China built a hospital with capacity in thousands just for coronavirus in ten days, how long does it take take us to construct simple clinic in rural communities? Mtchewww rest.

cashlurd:
I don't understand how these people always conclude on these number of years... How many years precisely has the world been in existence then?

Definitely not 6,000 like your religion claim... This world has been in existance billions of years before anything call the human specie

Wow

ContractKiller:
Paleobiology is a different discipline from botany my dear olodo. Stick with suya meat and praise singing for dullards.

right now

Pedrotina11:


See dis camel, abeg show me the date written on the bible that God created this earth....

You are a fool , from Adam to Noah to Abraham to moses to Jesus is 4 thousand years according to the bible, and from Jesus till date is 2020 yrs add them up that's 6'020 years so according to the bible the world is 6'020 years you slowpoke

aleeyus:
Like I said earlier, evolution is the most irrational course in science
it should be banned ASAP

Okay. Do you have any substitute analogy to explain the origin of species?

cashlurd:
I don't understand how these people always conclude on these number of years... How many years precisely has the world been in existence then?

Dude, you clearly have never entered a top-notch modern carbon-dating facility,

The science of it is empirical. The dating gives a range of age. It will get even more specific with time.

The world is not 6,000 years old. That's clear by now. Australopithecus afarensis (fossil discovered in Afar Region of Ethiopia), the first proper Homo being is at least 2.9 million years old. Possibly 3.9 million years old.

The earth itself cannot be less than 4.5 billion years old.

Simplebeauty:


can it cure coronavirus?

Next thing we go dey hear buy your packaged Chinese weed for curing coronavirus,ebola and aids. For pharmacy dem dey sell one sachet for 5000 naira but for this bus I dey sell am for #500




Meanwhile I sell affordable loans

Comic story of the year

virago:
If you mention the age to religionists they'll ask how the scientists were able to deduce the age , bunch of ignorant fools

you're the ignoramus who swallowed the whole baloney of carbon dating without 1st hand attestation

AreaFada2:

Dude, you clearly have never entered a top-notch modern carbon-dating facility,

The science of it is empirical. The dating gives a range of age. It will get even more specific with time.

The world is not 6,000 years old. That's clear by now. Australopithecus afarensis (fossil discovered in Afar Region of Ethiopia), the first proper Homo being is at least 2.9 million years old. Possibly 3.9 million years old.

The earth itself cannot be less than 4.5 billion years old.

hope you understand the whole concept of carbon dating and its flaws

virago:
If you mention the age to religionists they'll ask how the scientists were able to deduce the age , bunch of ignorant fools

How do you explain anything to people who have refused to use their brains? They only follow whatever bullshiit they are fed like morons

Kenny9857:
you are calling people whom sandal strap you can not loose a fool...... Then what are you ??

You're not even coherent so you don't deserve a response

Proffdada:
you're the ignoramus who swallowed the whole baloney of carbon dating without 1st hand attestation

And you have attested all the baloney in the Bible/Quran Talking donkeys and serpents , men surviving in the belly of fishes or men parting the sea with a staff I wonder who the ignoramus is

changedinchrist:
if you know the major science and probabilistic nature of evolution and age dating. You'd know you might be the ignorant one. These things are tentative. No one can disprove with absolute certainty what the so called "religionist" claim. So if you aren't knowledgeable about the core details of the subject. Be quiet

Listen to yourself , I know you know nothing about evolution because evolution has already been proved. The typical Christian who just believes in blind faith. Please go and research more on evolution and stop making a fool of yourself

Proffdada:
hope you understand the whole concept of carbon dating and its flaws

There are flaws in ICT but it has given us social media and made the world a global village.

There are flaws in medicine but has reduced suffering, pain and eliminated certain diseases steadily increasing life expectancy.

We have flaws in transportation technology but jetliners and speed trains have made travelling far safer, more affordable and faster.

We work to mitigate the flaws in every area. But the flaws do not make them fundamentally useless or untrustworthy.

Scientists who don't believe in God who created life itself and light before the SUN are ignorant of science who could not even explain how millions of joules of energy is hidden /packed in a single atom.

Awon omo esu to pe Olorun ni iro.

Deepfeel:


But asking how something was done , doesn't make you a fool does it?

The foolery comes from not questioning who , what , where and how God came to be but ready to antagonize anything scientific that goes against their belief

all of you saying carbon dating if i transfer you slap
the most reliable form of carbon dating is inaccurate above around 50,000 years

YorubaKinging:
Some foolish aethist always try to make Yoruba people feel stupid for believing in God
But too stupid to talk for thier scientific oyinbos lies
1billion kor
The Earth age from when Adam was casted out is between 6000 to 7000 old

And who told you that the Bible is right. Scientists sometimes blab rubbish but religion is utterly clueless there is no proof you are only bound by faith.

The earth is about a billion years old this I believe but please scientists should scrap most of Albert Einstein's theories. They sound stupid and have no proof.

Sleekmilan01:


1billion years??

You guys should stop all this na

They're called radio dating using radioactive elements. Potassium-40 dates 1.25 billion years. Educate yourself, black man

oga4prop:
See-weed

The way scientists mention the ages of plants can be so funny. You mean a billion year!!!

Science amuses black man, doesn't it?

Gaddafi1:
These years are actually speculative, it's obvious that even carbon dating is not accurate method of finding the age of a substance.

Only that it's not, carbon dating can only be use for materials less than 50,000 years old, Potassium-40 reads as far as 1.25 billion years, Strontium-87 and Rubidium-87 reads 50 billion years. It's simple science.

post=86970079:
Botany students are you in the building?!

This is a very vital info.....

But, We always wonder how they know it is a BILLION or a MILLION year old anyways..

Who was there at their christening


Lol
You are not far from the truth!

Only that it's not, carbon dating can only be use for materials less than 50,000 years old, Potassium-40 reads as far as 1.25 billion years, Strontium-87 and Rubidium-87 reads 50 billion years. It's simple science.

cashlurd:
I don't understand how these people always conclude on these number of years... How many years precisely has the world been in existence then?

Only that it's not, carbon dating can only be use for materials less than 50,000 years old, Potassium-40 reads as far as 1.25 billion years, Strontium-87 and Rubidium-87 reads 50 billion years. It's simple science.

aleeyus:
Like I said earlier, evolution is the most irrational course in science
it should be banned ASAP

Science should be banned because you don't agree with it? Wow! You're singlehandedly the dumbest person I have ever encountered in my life... And that's saying something for I've met some pretty dumb people.

changedinchrist:
Copied: @samuel Garcia quora

First, any proposed “science” about anything about origins and the deep past cannot be science.

If you remember the scientific method (which was created by a creationist Sir Francis Bacon, no less), it requires that for something to be deemed scientific, it must be reproducible and directly observed.

You cannot reproduce or directly observe something either thousands or billions of years ago!

Except.

Through time travel.

Why do I, as a Young Earth Creationist, reject evolution, but also flat earth, hollow earth, etc.?

You can fly above in space to see the round earth. You can drill down inside to see the earth is not hollow. One can see atoms with an electron microscope.

You cannot time travel to see evolution in action. There is no equivalent.

And thus both evolution and creationism are *neither* science. They deal with past events.

All we have is evidence after the fact, not evidence during the fact.

Fossils? Either a result of slow deposit or the worldwide Flood. (Many fossil collections of entire herds of animals in one place require a massive upheaval or disaster)

Layers in rock? Again, either a result of slow deposit or a worldwide flood. (Though this is actually can be experimental, shake up soil in water, and you can see layers similar to the Grand Canyon layers in real time, without waiting millions of years, thus lending that layers can be formed by rapid Flood)

Starlight distances? Either billions of years of universal expansion or the stretching of heavens described in Psalms.

Mutations and other genetic anomalies? Does not actually contradict creationist’s view of genetics. What we argue is not against change, but rather transition, ie singular cell to multicell, plant to animal, sea life to land life, reptile to bird, etc. There is no level of change that has been directly observed at those scales, just hypothesized.

Stalagmite and stalactites? While said to form millions of years in caves, there are many examples where those formed in a few years as recorded.

Ice cores? Either tens of thousands of years or more rapid than first thought. (Though a well-recounted story of a WW2 squadron was buried in ice…. in the layer where it was said to be which formed an apparent Ice Age ten thousand years ago. A rebuttal of it said that ice core forming was random and uneven. Well, then why are you using it to predict time?).

Radiometric dating (and other forms of dating)? A lot of circular reasoning assumptions even inherent in the equations used. It requires one to know the amount of the original material in the past. Which again, requires time travel. Scientists will guess the original amount according to their assumptions, and an evolutionary assumption pervades academia. (A famous one was dating of newly formed rocks after the Saint Helen’s eruption was said to be millions of years until it was revealed to be newly formed.)

It’s not the evidence, but the assumptions and philosophy of interpreting the evidence.

When forensic science, which tries to recount events in just days or years before, itself sends many innocent people in prison, and yet somehow predicting events from thousands or more years ago and call it evolution (or rather, evolutionary philosophy) is more accurate. Somehow.

As for Bible interpretation, the Bible makes it clear to interpret it literally. Jesus took creation literally in His talks. The Bible itself has instructions on how to interpret it and it is literally and precise.

Even the Bible predicts that evolutionary philosophy will be dominant in the last days:

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

2 Peter 3:3–4

Evolution relies on the assumption of uniformatarianism.

Uniformatarianism is the philosophy and idea that everything is going the same rate and doing the same thing. No jumps in rates. No huge disasters like the Flood. Mutation is slow. Everything is uniform. And since we don’t see jumps, slowness in change means billions of years.

Of course, there are minor exceptions within the body of evolutionary work, but in the span of billions of years, they are minor exceptions.

In the present, that may be true that mostly everything is uniform. But in the past, you can’t make that assumption, as you’ve never directly observed it.

And yes, you can’t directly observe creation, either. That’s why it isn’t science. But you can’t call evolution science either. They are the same level.

Which is why I term evolution to be a hypothesis supported by a huge apparatus of non-directly observed evidence.

As a Young Earth Creationist, I believe in the approximate 6000 year old Earth as determined by the Bible.

1 Timothy 6:19-21

Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

They already have itching ears and are blinded by the Lord of this world. Except their eyes are opened ;many prefer the dark side to the hurt of their soul. Evolutionary science is a lie from Satan himself. When they see extraterrestrial aliens (who are basically human hybrids of demonic reproduction in the inner earth) their faith for destruction will be sealed and will not even believe the existence of spirits.

Come Lord JESUS. Amen.

Deepfeel:

You are a fool , from Adam to Noah to Abraham to moses to Jesus is 4 thousand years according to the bible, and from Jesus till date is 2020 yrs add them up that's 6'020 years so according to the bible the world is 6'020 years you slowpoke

Shut up u fool and stop saying nonsense.... Talking trash up and down...close that borehole u call mouth...nonsense... Calculating ur foolishness.

virago:



The foolery comes from not questioning who , what , where and how God came to be but ready to antagonize anything scientific that goes against their belief

But science deals with facts, religion deals with faith and mysticism

So if science can't be proven with facts then that's not science