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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Nobody: 6:37am On Feb 28, 2020 |
blueAgent: Yet Jesus (TRUTH) is popular! My friend, the truth is popular but it's the details that's not! People heard about Jesus from far and near, his followers and their activities were heard of in all the earth but nobody knows their FACES even the Pharisees after inviting Jesus several times to dine and wine with them still finds it difficult to identify Jesus FACIALLY but his words they know very very well! Just 8.7 million individuals from the six continents we have on planet earth are fighting vigorously like Spartans globally, to the extent that they are known everywhere with their uniqueness is notable! Matthew 5:14-16 So if your religious organization is not popular it simply means they are not doing what Jesus and his followers did! The first century Christians were very minute in number yet their group is popular in all the province of Rome(the world power back then) Jehovah's Witnesses are just about 9,000,000 in number, only inquisitive ones know the faces of our Governing Body but what we believe is known globally, it's the DETAILS that they find hard to understand! |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by MuttleyLaff: 8:18am On Feb 28, 2020 |
Kallmerb:[img]https://s5/images/ezgif-2-bb81ab7ea10d.gif[/img] Rapid emergency exit, lol |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 10:49am On Feb 28, 2020 |
Maximus69: Do the maths, 25MILLION VS 8MILLION. than ask yourself who is more popular. |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by sonmvayina(m): 10:53am On Feb 28, 2020 |
blueAgent: Read the passages I gave... "My spirit shall not dwell too long with man" Send forth your spirit and they are created, take it and they die... |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by sonmvayina(m): 10:54am On Feb 28, 2020 |
blueAgent: If you have been following my post.. I have always maintained that we are Gods having a human experience... It has not changed. |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 10:59am On Feb 28, 2020 |
Maximus69: This is human interpretation not God. No where in the Bible are people given a second chance. The bible verse is clear all those who were not part of the1st ressuretion are going to face the second death. No were it is written that they would be tried and given a second chance. all this are theories formulated by your Church. 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. The bible verse I gave you earlier demonstrates that all those who are resurrected have there name in the book of life. Anyone who does not take part in the first resurrection is not eligible for eternal life. When Christ comes the dead in Christ will be raised. If you were not dead in Christ you will not be raised it is as simply as that. There is no other probation available. 1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Nobody: 11:07am On Feb 28, 2020 |
blueAgent: Do you think people in your neighborhood knew any of your rules in that your church as different? How many times have you being in the midst of others and at the mention of your church name questions began coming over what you believe? Well that's what it means to be a true Christian! Matthew 9:14, 15:2; Mark 9:14; Act 24:5 If your beliefs easily blend with others so that there is no sharp contrast, then your church can't be popular no matter the number of adherents! John 17:14-16 |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 11:14am On Feb 28, 2020 |
sonmvayina: You make me laugh, we are not gods. If we Are Adam and Eve would not had eaten the forbidden fruit. Man are mortals not gods. Job 4:17 Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker? ◄ Psalm 8:4 What is man that You are mindful of him, And the son of man that You visit him? you care for him? 5 .You made him a little lower than the heavenly beings [ 3 ] and crowned him with glory and honor. You are even lower than the angels. Psalm 144:4. Man is like to vanity: his days are as a shadow that passeth away. |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 11:18am On Feb 28, 2020 |
sonmvayina: God is referring to his Holy spirit that is his presence that is different from the spirit or breathe that was given at birth or creation. Even the Holy spirit does not return to God and became one with God as you assume. |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Nobody: 11:31am On Feb 28, 2020 |
blueAgent: You see where the problem is now! You quoted the scriptures and i also quoted the scriptures, you explain (interpret) and i also did the same thing. What matters now is how applicable is the interpretation you're giving what you read! John never said "all those who are not part of the first resurrection will suffer the second death" what he said is that "only those having part in the first resurrection have no business with the second death" You said my interpretation was formulated by my church, of course that's what i learnt in my church, just as you also learnt what you are saying from your church! As regards the trial of those who have died and we're resurrected, please explain what John saw @ Revelations 20:11-13, before you present your understanding please bear in mind what Jesus said @ John 3:18 "whoever did not believed have been JUDGED ALREADY" whereas there are thousands of dead people who never heard nor knew anything about Jesus! On what bases will such persons be RIGHTEOUSLY judged when they never had the opportunity to hear what Jesus taught? So explain what will become of millions of people who never heard of Jesus, and what Satan is coming to do after the 1,000 year reign of Jesus and the 144,000? My church said "Satan is coming to tempt resurrected ones here on earth after they've been trained to perfection by the Christians in their midst" My church said "Satan was locked up means there will be no false religion throughout the earth during Christ's 1,000 years reign, so no distractions will hinder people from learning the truth about Christ" My church said "Those who have been taken to heaven as first fruit of the Kingdom will not experience Satan's final test" So tell me what your church said about the Bible book of Revelations 20! |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 1:23pm On Feb 28, 2020 |
Maximus69: God is not interested in how popular an opinion is, what matters to God is his word. The bible is filled with prophecy of God's word been set aside for teachings and doctrines which are not true. Prophets like Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Hosea, and many others had difficult changing the mind of people to the true word of God. Stop deceiving yourself by believing that a teaching will be true because it is popular. A teacher is only true be cos it is in line with God's word. |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 1:23pm On Feb 28, 2020 |
Maximus69: People will be judged based on their conscience. Romans 2:12, ESV : "For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law." The bible says after death is judgment not probation. The problem is that you just lift a bible verse and use it to make your conclusion rather than look at all the Bible verses that are related to the matter before you make your conclusion. https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4989/t/1000-years-of-peace |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 1:30pm On Feb 28, 2020 |
Maximus69: You have changed the meaning of unrighteous. Unrighteous has no other meaning than someone who is unholy or lives a sinful life. The 2nd resurrection occurs at the end of 1000yrs not during it. Revelation 20:5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were FINISHED. This is the first resurrection. So they cannot be the subjects during the 1000yrs. |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 1:31pm On Feb 28, 2020 |
Maximus69: Back to News Archives Have you heard of the millennium—the 1,000 years of peace prophesied in the Bible to happen at the end of time? There are a lot of viewpoints on this period of time, but only one is biblical. Is there peace on earth? Are the wicked converted? Where is Jesus? Let's dig into the Word and find out! Question: What happens at the start of the 1,000-year period? "These came to life again and reigned with Christ for a thousand years" (Revelation 20:4). Answer: A resurrection begins the 1,000-year period. Question: What other events mark the beginning of the millennium? "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him" (Revelation 1:7). "The Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, ... and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air" (1 Thessalonians 4:16, 17). "There was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent [58 to 100 pounds] " (Revelation 16:18, 20, 21). Answer: At the start of the 1,000 years, the most devastating earthquake and hailstorm in history strike the earth; Jesus returns in the clouds for His people; and all the saints are caught up into the air to meet Jesus. Question: Many believe the unsaved will have an opportunity to repent during the 1,000 years. What does the Bible say about this? "The slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground" (Jeremiah 25:33). Answer: It is impossible for any person to repent during the 1,000 years because there will not be a person alive on earth. The righteous will all be in heaven. All the wicked will be lying dead upon the earth. Revelation 22:11, 12 makes it clear that the case of every person is closed before Jesus returns. Those who wait to accept Christ until the 1,000 years begin will have waited too long. |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Nobody: 2:09pm On Feb 28, 2020 |
blueAgent: (1) Excellent! (2) Couldn't understand what you mean there! (3)All God's prophets had the same problem changing including Jesus himself, and this is as a result of the fact that the prophets are speaking God's mind which is in total contrast to sinful human's minds! Isaiah 55:8-9 (4)I never said the teaching a true due to it's popularity, what i said is the one teaching what is not common will be singled out with his teachings! (5)If it's in line with God's word, people will feel the sharp contrast and single out such a teacher for his uncommon teaching, hence he will be widely known for his teachings even though the majority don't like him! |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Nobody: 2:29pm On Feb 28, 2020 |
blueAgent: The underlined is where we are having issues now! Because DEATH is the judgement God pronounced as the wages for sin! Romans 6:23; Genesis 2:17 So when God's word said "after death is judgment" it's another kind of judgment altogether, NOT the one having to do with what someone did when he was alive. WHY? Because at death the sinner has paid for his sins! Romans 7:6 Jesus explained this different form of judgment when he said "those who believe in him WILL NOT BE JUDGE, but whoever fail to believe is JUDGED ALREADY" John 3:18 If they're JUDGED ALREADY, and the wages of sin is DEATH and they're already DEAD, what business does God have with the dead again? So presently a form of judgment is ongoing globally, whoever refuse to accept the teachings of Jesus is judged and never coming back to life again! John 3:19 But as for those who had no opportunity of hearing what Jesus taught, their own Judgement begin after they've been resurrected from the dead. That's when they will be introduced to the teachings of Christ which is the only means to everlasting life! Their conscience only works for them to gain a resurrection when they chose not to do evil but they're not yet qualified for everlasting life, because they've not received training from the teacher whose only teaching can make anyone to qualify for everlasting life! John 3:16 |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Nobody: 2:43pm On Feb 28, 2020 |
blueAgent: UNRIGHTEOUS means those who ignore or don't know God's righteous decrees, God's word said "human's righteousness is like filthy rags before God" so no one can be declared righteous on the bases of such filthy rags! Of course they're all alive and NOT dead because they've been resurrected to be ruled by those who are serving as their priests and kings in heaven! But when the word of God said "the rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years ended" this means they have been resurrected but they can only be said to be living after Satan has been destroyed and he is no more around to mislead them! As long as Satan has not been destroyed, Jesus classified all humans as DEAD {Luke 9:60} WHY? Because the deceiver and killer is still very much around to lead them to the part of DEATH! Remember it's this same Jesus that's revealing what we're studying now to John {Revelations 1:1} so before you can fully grasp what he is saying you must be very conversant with his use of metaphors! Matthew 8:22 |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by sonmvayina(m): 8:15pm On Feb 28, 2020 |
blueAgent: Well, maybe that is you.. Like I have always maintained.. I am a divine being just having a human experience.. A god walking a human path.. |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by sonmvayina(m): 9:24pm On Feb 28, 2020 |
blueAgent: OK.. |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Nobody: 11:18pm On Feb 28, 2020 |
Maximus69:Exactly. I dont see normal bodily beings ruling with God. There will be some modifications in this set |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by MuttleyLaff: 11:23pm On Feb 28, 2020 |
sonmvayina:[img]https://s3/images/ObamaMuttley.gif[/img] "Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law: 'I said you are gods'?" - John 10:34 Of course, we are all gods, so what's the big deal? Getting worked up and chuffed like the cat that got the cream over common knowledge. 1 Like |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 8:30am On Feb 29, 2020 |
Maximus69: You are twisting Bible facts and meanings to suit your false doctrine. What you wrote totally contradicts God's word. |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 8:31am On Feb 29, 2020 |
Maximus69: More false teachings as usual. |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 8:32am On Feb 29, 2020 |
sonmvayina: You are not gods. |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 8:38am On Feb 29, 2020 |
Maximus69: The Bible mentions only 2 resurrection. 1 for the just and the other for the unjust. No where does the Bible mention resurrection for probation. Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Either one awakes from death to everlasting life or one awakes to shame and contempt. There is no middle ground. |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Nobody: 9:33am On Feb 29, 2020 |
blueAgent: Yes it will sound like FALSE to you since you don't know it! But you're not answering this questions! ©Our righteousness is as filthy rags before God, so what does the Bible means by the righteous? ©He who died has paid for his sins! Romans 7:6 What's the meaning of this? ©John 3:16 said only believers in Jesus will have everlasting life, so how can some gain the same thing without believing in Jesus? ©If God declared people who lived by conscience as "RIGHTEOUS" then what's the need for Jesus' teachings? © Jesus referred to living souls during his time as "DEAD", does that means none of his contemporaries lived by conscience at all? ©If they live by conscience and that's enough to declare them righteous, what further need is Jesus' teachings? 1 Like |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by sonmvayina(m): 1:31pm On Feb 29, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Nothing,... It is the mumu called blueAgent that I am trying to educate.. |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by MuttleyLaff: 7:25pm On Feb 29, 2020 |
sonmvayina:[img]https://s5/images/ezgif-2-daac6965b004.jpg[/img] blueAgent was kidding you to check how ripe your mumu is, lol. You arent done with your education, you wan educate someone else, smh. |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 8:26pm On Feb 29, 2020 |
sonmvayina: What makes you a god? |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by sonmvayina(m): 8:44pm On Feb 29, 2020 |
blueAgent: Because I was created in the image and likeness of God.. |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by sonmvayina(m): 8:46pm On Feb 29, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: You will be amazed.. |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by MuttleyLaff: 9:05pm On Feb 29, 2020 |
sonmvayina:I am not amazed that your mumu is on exceptional levels, lol, which is why you keep yourself busy being a tool, proselytizing into the mumu movement, lol blueAgent: sonmvayina:Listen to that cliché, lol. Oya, give your answers nah: 1/ How exactly are you created in the image and likeness of God? 2/ What does it mean, created in the image and likeness of God? 3/ When were/are you created in the image of God, lol? 4/ When were/are you created in the likeness of God, lol? 5/ What are you now? Are you currently the image of God, or currently the likeness of God or you are currently both the image and likeness of God, lol, hmm? |
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