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As in ehnnnnn..... Na only useless mouth dem get!!! Talk is indeed cheap, my dear.[/quote

can you just imagine a sane human being asking Someone's father or mother or relative to attend to a suspected or confirmed covid-19 case without PPE because you are a doctor or health worker?.... Or to use your own salary, (which by the way the government is dragging feet about paying you) to provide yourself PPE? And you tell me they are normal? They cannot even advice their blood relations to do same yet they can open their mouths or hide behind their keypads to type nonsense. My dad is a doctor and once attended to a suspected lassa fever patient that time and they ended up quarantining all of them and giving them drugs until the patients test result came back negative... I don't pray for a repeat of that case in this covid-19 time because we know what we went through during that period. I really feel for this guy who lost his wife, but he shouldn't blame the healthcare workers... The earlier we Nigerians start to hold our government accountable for the taxes we pay and the offices they hold, the better for us.... Instead of channeling the energy to the healthcare workers who are equally being trying their best. No PPE = no work. Simple. Jesus has died for us before... We don't need human beings to die for us again

Luchitec:
Your submissions on this thread suggest that you never practiced in any developed country. It is only in Nigeria that you see some medics acting so cocky, with little passion for their job. Yes, some of the medics in Nigeria lack the much needed passion to save lives. Where I live, many doctors and nurses go the extra mile of using their personal money to source for PPEs during this COVID-19 pandemic. Given the scarcity of PPE everywhere, many medics here have been collaborating with universities and the private sector to devise alternative PPEs and medical equipment. Why are they making these aforementioned efforts? They do it because medical practice is a higher calling. it is a call to service. A service where the joy of saving lives supersedes any financial reward or public acclamation arising thereof. May God help Nigeria and Nigerians in this difficult time.

Guy, stop giving us lectures about a higher calling blah blah blah and writing epistles. Healthcare jobs are what they are- jobs. It's just sensitive and you are under obligation to do your best not to kill yourself.
It's now that you know it's a service and higher calling abi? Using which money to source for PPE? where will they source for the PPE? PPE that people like you in the public are selling for astronomical prices. Why don't you attack them for having a higher calling? Yet you want the Nigerian healthcare workers with meagre resources to go running around in this social distancing time looking for PPE to buy with their money because of what?
Commenting like a kid who doesn't know what life is with oyibo being larger than life in your infantile brain.
Pls stop commenting these nursery rhymes Mr 'where I live', go and buy PPE and donate and stop looking for heroes that you are not. You stay in your house shiting your pants and making comments online while people are making sacrifices.

maasoap:


I don't know it is that bad at teaching hospitals! Hospitals never lacked gloves and masks, stop all these sensationalism.


I don't have business attending to patients. They should have stayed at their home too. Ignorance kills faster than disease itself.
We read a nairalander here narrated his experience at LUTH. Doctor refused to attend to all patients, telling them to bring two separate results of covid-19 tests that would be done on them within 48 hours! Is that one a doctor?

Pls stop commenting about availability of gloves and masks if you can't go and verify yourself. You will rather believe hearsay, speaks much about how you reason like you're not in this country called Nigeria where funds and resources are lied about or diverted.
So you suddenly don't have business helping out with healthcare ABI? How convenient... But you want other people to work without tools of the trade or protection.
Those doctors in LUTH are already in the future if you ask me and even healthcare in the western world will drift that way. Many hospitals may incorporate screening for covid into their normal pre-admission protocols before admitting or performing procedures.
Ask your government who own the teaching hospitals to provide gear and testing kits, protection and more testing will protect everyone.
Stop attacking medics in a society that doesn't sacrifice for themselves. And better hope they invest in healthcare rapidly or else na burial every week

God knows, any opportunity am outa this cursed country with my family. I ain't coming back, even when I die I wanna be buried there.





I regret being a Nigerian!

This useless lying bloggers and patient relatives have come again with their fake story .

pacino26:


Mr dokita so with visual inspection you arrived at your diagnosis that she is Covid 19 positive abi? My anger is not because Ugwuanyi did audio 500million, but that the negligence of your kind is alarming. A lot of people have died waiting to be documented, some died cuz folks like you would rather wait to be served fried rice before you handle an emergency.

You know nothing about sacrifice

Those symptoms the lady presented with are classical for covid19, if you mind go and read it up.

Now for the issues about getting card you don't blame the doctor but blame the administration, even doctors go through those stress of getting card before they are attended to.

There have been lots of times I approached top of hospital management even as a student to seek answers why we are the way we are but they always give silly response.
As a doctor employed by a hospital you can actually do very little, have you wondered why doctors abroad do better?
No rocket science they have an organised system, best would be if our system is worked up where when someone presents at the emergency they are attended to first before anything but both Nigerians and the government are wicked, I have seen cases where you would resuscitate someone render all first aid then when the person is fine the next is they run away with the hospital bill or they start putting stories.

Our best bet is for a proper massive functional health insurance scheme to become activated without which don't blame doctors for most of these things

This is Nigeria, people behave like touts, uncivilized and babaric

https://www.nairaland.com/5812200/40-health-workers-tested-positive

@ maasoap and luchitec oya o

E don happen... The statistics are out!!!
40 whooping health workers!!!
And ingrates here will be asking why they didn't do anything without proper PPE
Covidiots!!!

dumodust:
https://www.nairaland.com/5812200/40-health-workers-tested-positive

@ maasoap and luchitec oya o

E don happen... The statistics are out!!!
40 whooping health workers!!!
And ingrates here will be asking why they didn't do anything without proper PPE
Covidiots!!!

May be you should Google the number of casualties in USA, UK, South Africa, Egypt. Health workers are undoubtedly life savers but many health workers in Nigeria have no business being health sectors.

dumodust:

Pls stop commenting about availability of gloves and masks if you can't go and verify yourself. You will rather believe hearsay, speaks much about how you reason like you're not in this country called Nigeria where funds and resources are lied about or diverted.

Stop being sensational, it helps no-one

So you suddenly don't have business helping out with healthcare ABI? How convenient... But you want other people to work without tools of the trade or protection.
Those doctors in LUTH are already in the future if you ask me and even healthcare in the western world will drift that way. Many hospitals may incorporate screening for covid into their normal pre-admission protocols before admitting or performing procedures.
Ask your government who own the teaching hospitals to provide gear and testing kits, protection and more testing will protect everyone.
Stop attacking medics in a society that doesn't sacrifice for themselves. And better hope they invest in healthcare rapidly or else na burial every week

Why would I today? Was I there yesterday? And don't digress too much because I hate that. Cardiologist handling the case talked and assured them on the phone. simple gloves and face masks are not scarce commodities in Nigeria hospitals. That would have been enough to have a look

So sorry about your loss.. May your Soul RIP

I am beginning to doubt that you are actually a medical doctor. In the days gone by, real doctors are known for their comportment and composure no matter the stress and provocation. Instead of countering my comment with valid points just the way Dr. Fumisticqueen did, you resorted to name calling. I repeat again; dude, your recent outburst further confirms that you never practiced in any developed country. There is a certain degree of quality and class that comes from professional experience acquired in a setting where things are properly done. By the way, did you ask why Nigerian medics should run round sourcing PPEs with their money? It is for their own safety. If the government failed to do the needful, will these medics just fold their hands, doing nothing to protect themselves as much as they can? Finally a word of advice, if you are really a medic; please tone down the tantrums, it's unbecoming of somebody who calls himself a trained physician.

dumodust:

Guy, stop giving us lectures about a higher calling blah blah blah and writing epistles. Healthcare jobs are what they are- jobs. It's just sensitive and you are under obligation to do your best not to kill yourself.
It's now that you know it's a service and higher calling abi? Using which money to source for PPE? where will they source for the PPE? PPE that people like you in the public are selling for astronomical prices. Why don't you attack them for having a higher calling? Yet you want the Nigerian healthcare workers with meagre resources to go running around in this social distancing time looking for PPE to buy with their money because of what?
Commenting like a kid who doesn't know what life is with oyibo being larger than life in your infantile brain.
Pls stop commenting these nursery rhymes Mr 'where I live', go and buy PPE and donate and stop looking for heroes that you are not. You stay in your house shiting your pants and making comments online while people are making sacrifices.

maasoap:


Stop being sensational, it helps no-one



Why would I today? Was I there yesterday? And don't digress too much because I hate that. Cardiologist handling the case talked and assured them on the phone. simple gloves and face masks are not scarce commodities in Nigeria hospitals. That would have been enough to have a look

Cardiologist handling the case called and assured them? Are you serious? That's how Corona entered university of Ilorin teaching hospital and infected all the doctors that attended to the man that died shortly.
At risk patients for Corona are already those with known problems like the index patient at UNTH.
Stop trying to rationalize what you don't know and didn't train for, stick to being a sensational emotional commenter on nairaland and with unverified reports from the front lines
And you keep saying that simple gloves and face masks are not scarce in teaching hospitals and I repeat my question again- how did you get this info? Do you work there? Are you part of the govt propaganda arm? I'm just trying to understand if PPE is hidden somewhere that we don't know, maybe you are privy to info

maasoap:


May be you should Google the number of casualties in USA, UK, South Africa, Egypt. Health workers are undoubtedly life savers but many health workers in Nigeria have no business being health sectors.

Are we competing for numbers of dead health personnel with these countries? Bros na competition?
Covid is a new disease that no one was prepared for or knew it's true extent, no one knew it could kill such numbers and those guys that died where the first ever responders to the disease hence the casualties.
They know better now.
That doesn't mean we should tow their path of rushing back to work without proper PPE. That's like flipping the coin of death repeatedly.
Let's put the right things in place first before asking for people to die for us.
Enough said... This discussion is over for me.

What is your point? I previously suggested that the least any medic can do is to source for his or her own PPE if the government/employer fails to make enough PPE available. Doctors and nurses need to be alive in order to serve the society, their own families included.

dumodust:
https://www.nairaland.com/5812200/40-health-workers-tested-positive

@ maasoap and luchitec oya o

E don happen... The statistics are out!!!
40 whooping health workers!!!
And ingrates here will be asking why they didn't do anything without proper PPE
Covidiots!!!

Luchitec:
What is your point? I previously suggested that the least any medic can do is to source for his or her own PPE if the government/employer fails to make enough PPE available. Doctors and nurses need to be alive in order to serve the society, their own families included.

If they work at federal teaching hospitals, why should they source their own PPE on the black market ( if you're not aware, protective gear is now scarce and prices are inflated). If they ever do that, it will deplete their already meagre pay.
Maybe all intending patients should buy PPE on their way to the hospital.
This is clearly the responsibility of the hospital, quality control is also very important.
In summary, my point is your are pointing fingers at the wrong people.

You raised some valid points in your comment. And I agree that the health care system in Nigeria is screwed, but you guys should try as much as possible to protect yourselves. Be safe.

funmisticqueen2:
they also do it because they can afford it and are well paid. Nigerian health workers are not well paid.


Hazard allowance is 5k, face mask is 11,500, how much is PPE? How much is Google? How is bills during lockdown? 150k salary cannot cover that.


Meanwhile a doctor abroad is well paid. There are no made in Aba boys and Igbo traders to increase prices and hoard basic materials.


Do you see the difference?


Many health workers enter medical school with a passion. By the times they start clinicals,reality of the failed system sets in and their passion starts to die. After bullying and abuse from seniors, being scammed and lied on by patients, irregular salary, writing exams but failing to enter residency because there's no slot or connect. Many of them lose the remaining passion by Youth service.

Same happened to me.

There's no emergency in a pandemic. My life first.

Luchitec:
I am beginning to doubt that you are actually a medical doctor. In the days gone by, real doctors are known for their comportment and composure no matter the stress and provocation. Instead of countering my comment with valid points just the way Dr. Fumisticqueen did, you resorted to name calling. I repeat again; dude, your recent outburst further confirms that you never practiced in any developed country. There is a certain degree of quality and class that comes from professional experience acquired in a setting where things are properly done. By the way, did you ask why Nigerian medics should run round sourcing PPEs with their money? It is for their own safety. If the government failed to do the needful, will these medics just fold their hands, doing nothing to protect themselves as much as they can? Finally a word of advice, if you are really a medic; please tone down the tantrums, it's unbecoming of somebody who calls himself a trained physician.

Mr suddenly matured, you are the one who came here making wild unfounded allegations about hardworking medics and trivialising their work, go and work on yourself and leave docs alone.
Yes, in your dictionary doctors should be calm, sit down, shut up and just take it abi? I haven't even started with you.
Go and use your money to buy and donate PPE, your mates are doing so already and doing all they can to help.
If there is no PPE, no one is attended to, simple.
There's no emergency in a pandemic.
Go and ask the families of those that were infected and gone.
Have you even ever bothered about them? Have you started a gofundme for them or donated to assist them as their bread winners are gone?
I guess the answer is No... But you want more suicidal 'heroes' to die or rather go around buying their own PPE at astronomical prices with meagre resources.
SMH

I don't think it is a good idea to accept PPE from their patients. PPE from an infected patient might end up as a COVID-19 transfer agent. I certainly understand the financial angle to these things. Some doctors earning as little as N150K per month (quoting Dr. Funmisticqueen) is unbelievable. Nonetheless, some PPE gears are reusable; just good disinfection after every shift is required. Some companies here have also come up with the idea that cyclic steam cleaning at high temperature can actually make PPEs like N95 masks reusable.

dumodust:

If they work at federal teaching hospitals, why should they source their own PPE on the black market ( if you're not aware, protective gear is now scarce and prices are inflated). If they ever do that, it will deplete their already meagre pay.
Maybe all intending patients should buy PPE on their way to the hospital.
This is clearly the responsibility of the hospital, quality control is also very important.
In summary, my point is your are pointing fingers at the wrong people.

Luchitec:
I don't think it is a good idea to accept PPE from their patients. PPE from an infected patient might end up as a COVID-19 transfer agent. I certainly understand the financial angle to these things. Some doctors earning as little as N150K per month (quoting Dr. Funmisticqueen) is unbelievable. Nonetheless, some PPE gears are reusable; just good disinfection after every shift is required. Some companies here have also come up with the idea that cyclic steam cleaning at high temperature can actually make PPEs like N95 masks reusable.

It's certainly not a good idea to accept any PPE from outside which is why I mentioned it that way, buying it in the open market too will have those same risks
Some PPE gears may be reusable but it will increase risk for those who will recycle it back or those who will do the disinfection.
It's not a bad idea for people like us with meagre resources but it will have to be investigated properly and efficacy established before making it an option.
It's a mad world out there currently, things are just going bad and bad, many hospitals have been shut and this crises will expose a lot about poor facilities and available manpower healthcare wise.
I sincerely hope the Corona virus numbers dwindle, I pray about it everyday or else it will be devastating

Why are you so uncouth? I was forced to comment on this thread due to your outbursts and claims. You haven't started with me? As in what way?Dude, you sure have some problems.

dumodust:

Mr suddenly matured, you are the one who came here making wild unfounded allegations about hardworking medics and trivialising their work, go and work on yourself and leave docs alone.
Yes, in your dictionary doctors should be calm, sit down, shut up and just take it abi? I haven't even started with you.
Go and use your money to buy and donate PPE, your mates are doing so already and doing all they can to help.
If there is no PPE, no one is attended to, simple.
There's no emergency in a pandemic.
Go and ask the families of those that were infected and gone.
Have you even ever bothered about them? Have you started a gofundme for them or donated to assist them as their bread winners are gone?
I guess the answer is No... But you want more suicidal 'heroes' to die or rather go around buying their own PPE at astronomical prices with meagre resources.
SMH

Luchitec:
Why are you so uncouth? I was forced to comment on this thread due to your outbursts and claims. You haven't started with me? As in what way?Dude, you sure have some problems.

Well, check yourself for problems
Which outbursts and claims? It's you that dived into the thread making wild allegations
I make no claims, it's facts for those on ground
We have already concluded that attending is suicide without PPE and we already know the number dead from not doing so
stick to that and stop whipping up trouble

Jaqenhghar:
And theu will say they want salary increase. Or that its because of salary increase they left the woman to die.

I am not trying to defend the health care workers... But d truth is she had typical symptoms of d covid 19 and should be treated as one until otherwise proven.... A situation were the health care personnel's present have nothing to work with, knowing how contagious this deadly virus is...what should they have done... The health care team are humans too...Over 40 health care workers at present in Nigeria have bn infected by the virus... Only isolation centres and wards have appropriate PPE....It's a very unfortunate situation... My condolences for your loss sir...

awesomesossy:

I am not trying to defend the health care workers... But d truth is she had typical symptoms of d covid 19 and should be treated as one until otherwise proven.... A situation were the health care personnel's present have nothing to work with, knowing how contagious this deadly virus is...what should they have done... The health care team are humans too...Over 40 health care workers at present in Nigeria have bn infected by the virus... Only isolation centres and wards have appropriate PPE....It's a very unfortunate situation... My8 condolences for your loss sir...

My sister you must have missed my post earlier. I said if they are not provided the materials, they shouldnt do the work. Not show up at all. By showing up you have shown that you are ready to take on whatever is before you (with or without equipment). If every health worker didnt show up true some people will die but at least the government will sit up. Abi how you see am?

Jaqenhghar:

My sister you must have missed my post earlier. I said if they are not provided the materials, they shouldnt do the work. Not show up at all. By showing up you have shown that you are ready to take on whatever is before you (with or without equipment). If every health worker didnt show up true some people will die but at least the government will sit up. Abi how you see am?

I totally agree with you...infact that has bn my opinion from day one... But majority thinks otherwise... God help us all... I just can't wait for everything to return back to normal... Everything sucks right now...

joe4christ:
You won't blame these health workers. We have already lost couple of them to this convid-19 due to lack of protective equipment that should be made available by a responsible government so these people can perform their duties without putting their lives to risk.

Protective equipment protective equipment. Does government provision for police vehicles (if any) get to the police vehicle tanks? Is it not the police that figure out means of fuelling them even though their tactics are questionable sometimes? At least it is better than not providing the needed service due to immobility.

We've lost a lot of them to Covid, right? They could have protected themselves easily so if they actually died of Covid like they claim in the media, it's their personal fault.

Can't the doctors buy protective equipment for themselves since the government is not behaving, so they can be useful to patients of her kind? How much is an original facemask? How much are hand gloves? What does it cost to drink hot water frequently to send the virus (if any) to their early grave in the stomach while working in the hospital? What does it cost to sanitize one's hands and maintain simple hygienic practices at least for this period. I beg make una nor annoy me o.

All of you absolving the callous doctor of blame, l pray you find yourselves in the position the late woman found herself but narrowly survive and see if you'll still support the evil that doctors perpetrate in hospitals.

Medical doctors generally (only a few are exempted) are not the noble people you you've been hypnotized over the years to think they are.

You are also here giving problems to people.
You never have anything relevant or positive to say.
You no get job?

Luchitec:
I am beginning to doubt that you are actually a medical doctor. In the days gone by, real doctors are known for their comportment and composure no matter the stress and provocation. Instead of countering my comment with valid points just the way Dr. Fumisticqueen did, you resorted to name calling. I repeat again; dude, your recent outburst further confirms that you never practiced in any developed country. There is a certain degree of quality and class that comes from professional experience acquired in a setting where things are properly done. By the way, did you ask why Nigerian medics should run round sourcing PPEs with their money? It is for their own safety. If the government failed to do the needful, will these medics just fold their hands, doing nothing to protect themselves as much as they can? Finally a word of advice, if you are really a medic; please tone down the tantrums, it's unbecoming of somebody who calls himself a trained physician.