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Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by Olude193: 9:30am On Nov 30, 2020
bahaushe1:


You have some points there. But the money is 'earned'. They should present evidence that they have earned it rather come to the media to seek for public sympathy.

One of the major component of earned allowance is 'excess workload allowance'. Everything concerning teaching in federal universities is governed by NUC regulations. An academic staff is expected to have a certain contact hour per week. A class is expected to have a certain number of students depending on the programme. An academic staff is also expected to mark a certain number of scripts per semester. We all know these regulations are not strictly adhered to by our universities. So, an academic staff will naturally accumulate these allowances over a period of time.

For non-teaching staff, they are like mainstream civil service expect for academic technologists. They are employed to work 8am to 4pm. Most of the NUC regulations does not apply to them. And remember for every 3 academic staff there should be 1 non-teaching staff. I am sure you and I know that this is not what is obtainable in our universities.

Based on above factors their earned allowances will generally be low compared to academic staff because of the parameters used in computing the allowances.

The 20% being given to them is generous. They should provide empirical evidence with necessary data if they feel they are cheated not mare media propaganda.

And once 3:55pm nack, their bags are ready.. the ones who will join bodies to transport them they will have confirmed movement

4:00pm they zoom out.. as in they will never stay a second more. If money no dey involved they won't wait a fraction of a second more..

Maybe the ones working for principal officers are more coordinated..

but the rest mistake especially the NASU lower cadres....

You practically have to beg them if you want to do anything in the departmental office as an academic staff...

Very lazy

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Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by Samakus(m): 9:30am On Nov 30, 2020
The biggest personal deceit you all are doing yourself is thinking that non teaching staff do nothing. Anyways, the leadership SSANU has now isn't like the old ones. Let the money be paid first and we see how it's done.





bahaushe1:


You have some points there. But the money is 'earned'. They should present evidence that they have earned it rather come to the media to seek for public sympathy.

One of the major component of earned allowance is 'excess workload allowance'. Everything concerning teaching in federal universities is governed by NUC regulations. An academic staff is expected to have a certain contact hour per week. A class is expected to have a certain number of students depending on the programme. An academic staff is also expected to mark a certain number of scripts per semester. We all know these regulations are not strictly adhered to by our universities. So, an academic staff will naturally accumulate these allowances over a period of time.

For non-teaching staff, they are like mainstream civil service expect for academic technologists. They are employed to work 8am to 4pm. Most of the NUC regulations does not apply to them. And remember for every 3 academic staff there should be 1 non-teaching staff. I am sure you and I know that this is not what is obtainable in our universities.

Based on above factors their earned allowances will generally be low compared to academic staff because of the parameters used in computing the allowances.

The 20% being given to them is generous. They should provide empirical evidence with necessary data if they feel they are cheated not mare media propaganda.
Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by AniwetaluEmma(m): 9:30am On Nov 30, 2020
They are sabotaging ASUU thinking they are doing good to themselves. Now see where they have landed. Group of visionless Union.

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Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by membranus: 9:36am On Nov 30, 2020
Samakus:
Truth be told, how can earned allowance that is the right of all staff in the university be cornered by a section of staff. Whether you are the one that attracted or not, everyone should get his due.

Ask yourself, if ASUU takes larger share of EA that every staff is entitled to, just because they made more noise about it, are they any different from the politicians they're fighting?

It is Earned Academic Allowance EAA, not Earned Allowance.

Pls be guided.

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Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by Black052(m): 9:36am On Nov 30, 2020
If ASUU comes to public to relay there grievances with government it's nit a big deal buh it's no bodies business if other unions do it right.
bahaushe1:


You are right it is 'earned allowance'. So let them go and prove that they have 'earned' it rather than come to the media. It is not the public that shares the money.
Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by Samakus(m): 9:36am On Nov 30, 2020
mvem:
it is called EAA. Earned Academic Allowances. SSANU/NASU members are not academics staff...these allowances are for excess academic workload, and other academic duties by academics staffs...so what is SSANU actually saying. They should give them academic allowances when they are non- teaching staff

Either you're playing to the gallery or you're ignorant of the happenstances in the university system.

A little education, should I?

There are 4 unions in the university and each had a 2009 agreement for earned allowances (which ASUU christened EAA). Government has released money for the accumulated earned allowances to be paid to all the unions. And you think that one union should have the bulk of it?

Allow the university governing council which is the employer of all staff in the university to determine who gets what, when and how. Is that what ASUU has been fighting for? University autonomy! How can you now usurp the university governing council to received EA through NUC?

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Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by Black052(m): 9:41am On Nov 30, 2020
loko50:
information is power it's called earned allowance the media keep twisting heads like yours writtiing academic earned allowance,all the unions in the university system had an agreement in 2009 which the government promised to uphold ,by now if the government had been sincere they ought to have implemented it rather than working on how to pay deficits of years of arrears.

It is EAA not EA, barawo
Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by Samakus(m): 9:41am On Nov 30, 2020
Olude193:


And once 3:55pm nack, their bags are ready.. the ones who will join bodies to transport them they will have confirmed movement

4:00pm they zoom out.. as in they will never stay a second more. If money no dey involved they won't wait a fraction of a second more..

Maybe the ones working for principal officers are more coordinated..

but the rest mistake especially the NASU lower cadres....

You practically have to beg them if you want to do anything in the departmental office as an academic staff...

Very lazy

Why are you crying brother? I see so much hate here. Receive peace
Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by abjonline(m): 9:43am On Nov 30, 2020
Somebody help me oo. Where was SSANU when ASSU was fighting for the money?

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Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by Samakus(m): 9:45am On Nov 30, 2020
membranus:


It is Earned Academic Allowance EAA, not Earned Allowance.

Pls be guided.

cheesy cheesy There's something very pitiable about someone who claims to be all knowing but ends up showing so much ignorance.

Peace brother
Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by 400billionman: 9:45am On Nov 30, 2020
Nawa o.

Money matter..
Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by Black052(m): 9:47am On Nov 30, 2020
Pls enlighten them most clearly don't know anything apart from what they read in poaoers and what they watch on t.v.
Samakus:


Either you're playing to the gallery or you're ignorant of the happenstances in the university system.

A little education, should I?

There are 4 unions in the university and each had a 2009 agreement for earned allowances (which ASUU christened EAA). Government has released money for the accumulated earned allowances to be paid to all the unions. And you think that one union should have the bulk of it?

Allow the university governing council which is the employer of all staff in the university to determine who gets what, when and how. Is that what ASUU has been fighting for? University autonomy! How can you now usurp the university governing council to received EA through NUC?
Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by Arizonaguy(m): 10:05am On Nov 30, 2020
Yenefer:
ASUU is a corrupt union fighting to keep looting money thru Gifmiss without transparency
What did you know about ASUU and its struggle for sanity in our public universities??
They maybe corrupt as you claim but the little prestige left of our universities has been because of their struggle over the years
It's condescending how folks talk affirmatively yet don't know shit

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Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by bahaushe1: 10:27am On Nov 30, 2020
Black052:
If ASUU comes to public to relay there grievances with government it's nit a big deal buh it's no bodies business if other unions do it right.

You should know that ASUU is not a media friendly union. The union has no public relation officer neither does it has social media accounts.

We work with facts; let them present their facts to appropriate authorities if they have one.

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Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by bahaushe1: 10:30am On Nov 30, 2020
Samakus:
The biggest personal deceit you all are doing yourself is thinking that non teaching staff do nothing. Anyways, the leadership SSANU has now isn't like the old ones. Let the money be paid first and we see how it's done.






It is either you did not read my post or you are deliberately twisting my points.

No where did I say or imply that non-teaching staff does 'nothing'. What I said is that their earned allowance claim will generally be low compared to that of academic staff because of job description of the parties.

If you deserve more than 20% then prove it; it is 'earned'.

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Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by bahaushe1: 10:32am On Nov 30, 2020
Olude193:


And once 3:55pm nack, their bags are ready.. the ones who will join bodies to transport them they will have confirmed movement

4:00pm they zoom out.. as in they will never stay a second more. If money no dey involved they won't wait a fraction of a second more..

Maybe the ones working for principal officers are more coordinated..

but the rest mistake especially the NASU lower cadres....

You practically have to beg them if you want to do anything in the departmental office as an academic staff...

Very lazy

Lol.
Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by bahaushe1: 10:45am On Nov 30, 2020
emmasege:
Lie!!!

It is called EARNED ACADEMIC ALLOWANCE from the onset, and if the non-academics also feel entitled, they can also call it EARNED NON-ACADEMIC ALLOWANCE. I think that appellation even sounds better as it will tell them how unjust their fight is. Their job is purely administrative and not different from the civil service, but that's not the case for academics who teach and supervise students, examine students and still conduct research.

I am an academic staff of a federal university. Both FGN/ASUU and FGN/SSANU 2009 agreements have EARNED ALLOWANCE components. That of ASUU is EARNED ACADEMIC ALLOWANCE while that of SSANU is EARNED ALLOWANCE. Find time and read the two agreements.

FGN is common to the two agreements and therefore government generally calls it EARNED ALLOWANCE.

The first payment was a 30bn released in 2013 after an ASUU strike. The second payment was a ?25bn released in 2017. The third payment was a 25bn released in 2019. All the three payments fought for by ASUU were shared with non-teaching staff. Between, the non-teaching staff got about 6 or 8bn which was shared by their members only.

The current payment is based on the forensic audit report of 2018 which includes ALL unions in the universities.

The report puts the total earned allowance claim for the period of 2009 - 2016 for ALL unions at 160bn. Out of this amount government has paid 80bn as at 2019. The remaining 80bn was spread into 4 instalmental payments of 20bn each to be paid on 2019, 2020, 2021, and 2022.

The current 40bn is is made up of 2 instalmental payments for 2019 and 2020. Both tranches have claims of non-teaching staff incorporated.

The point of contention is not whether or not they have a share but whether is 20% that is traditionally allocated to them is FAIR. My take is that it is fair and if they feel otherwise they should interrogate the audit report and prove us wrong.

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Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by bahaushe1: 10:50am On Nov 30, 2020
Samakus:


Wonderful. Truly, we're all corrupt in this country.

Anyways, no need fighting online. The real fight comes soon

I am surprised you view 'prove it' as corruption. How else do you want to get money that is suppose to be 'earned'?

No one gets earned allowance without proving it. We all have filled the forms.

Even among ASUU members not every person will get it. Many people will not get it. Some federal universities will not get anything because they did not exist as at 2016.

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Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by membranus: 11:30am On Nov 30, 2020
Samakus:


cheesy cheesy There's something very pitiable about someone who claims to be all knowing but ends up showing so much ignorance.

Peace brother

Meaning what?

Pls educate Mr. Expert.

I am curious to learn.
Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by jmaine: 11:40am On Nov 30, 2020
Samakus:
Truth be told, how can earned allowance that is the right of all staff in the university be cornered by a section of staff. Whether you are the one that attracted or not, everyone should get his due.

Ask yourself, if ASUU takes larger share of EA that every staff is entitled to, just because they made more noise about it, are they any different from the politicians they're fighting?

What stops SSANU from fighting for theirs? Must they always piggyback on ASUU struggles.. Moreover, what ASUU fought for was Earned Academic Allowance (EAA)...

The same SSANU that can't fight for her members minimum wage arrears are here acting all tough..

If you consider fighting for your rights as a sin, then it says a lot about the membership of SSANU, whose leaders are not accountable to their members.

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Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by jmaine: 11:46am On Nov 30, 2020
AniwetaluEmma:
They are sabotaging ASUU thinking they are doing good to themselves. Now see where they have landed. Group of visionless Union.

They will never learn... Too sad they are too myopic to emancipate themselves from the useless leaders they have as SSANU executives....

They rushed into IPPIS thinking they were antagonising ASUU, now they are busy wailing...

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Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by Nobody: 11:52am On Nov 30, 2020
Yenefer:
ASUU is a corrupt union fighting to keep looting money thru Gifmiss without transparency
You really understand those looters. They're sharing offers everyday in their effort to cover their loot pending their systematically staged negotiation.
Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by SavageMaster: 1:26pm On Nov 30, 2020
Yenefer:
ASUU is a corrupt union fighting to keep looting money thru Gifmiss without transparency

What have you done about all the corrupt Nigerian administrations that have looted trillions in the past couple of years?
Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by Nwadiuto247: 1:47pm On Nov 30, 2020
Samakus:
Truth be told, how can earned allowance that is the right of all staff in the university be cornered by a section of staff. Whether you are the one that attracted or not, everyone should get his due.

Ask yourself, if ASUU takes larger share of EA that every staff is entitled to, just because they made more noise about it, are they any different from the politicians they're fighting?

It is called Earned Academic Allowance [EAA)

SSANU created their own as Earned Allowance.

ASUU goes all the way to negotiate their own,. After all the suffering, SSANU will want it to be shared.

If you think what SSANU is doing is good then let somebody struggle to share your hard earned harvest with you
Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by Nwadiuto247: 1:50pm On Nov 30, 2020
SavageMaster:


What have you done about all the corrupt Nigerian administrations that have looted trillions in the past couple of years?

good question for the empty brain
Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by Nwadiuto247: 1:56pm On Nov 30, 2020
bahaushe1:


I am surprised you view 'prove it' as corruption. How else do you want to get money that is suppose to be 'earned'?

No one gets earned allowance without proving it. We all have filled the forms.

Even among ASUU members not every person will get it. Many people will not get it. Some federal universities will not get anything because they did not exist as at 2016.

They dont understand. Their own na to talk anyhow.

They think all lecturers share the money

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Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by shadeyinka(m): 2:20pm On Nov 30, 2020
Samakus:
Truth be told, how can earned allowance that is the right of all staff in the university be cornered by a section of staff. Whether you are the one that attracted or not, everyone should get his due.

Ask yourself, if ASUU takes larger share of EA that every staff is entitled to, just because they made more noise about it, are they any different from the politicians they're fighting?
Lecturers don't only teach/work till 6pm
They take scripts home for marking
They read voluminous texts in the name of projects
They stay over to also conduct their research work.


Others staff don't take office work home
They don't take books home to read
They don't supervise students work



And you say they should earn the same EA?

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Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by Samakus(m): 2:35pm On Nov 30, 2020
shadeyinka:

Lecturers don't only teach/work till 6pm
They take scripts home for marking
They read voluminous texts in the name of projects
They stay over to also conduct their research work.


Others staff don't take office work home
They don't take books home to read
They don't supervise students work



And you say they should earn the same EA?

Nobody is saying, earn the same thing. After all, Conuass is higher than contiss but a situation where teaching staff collect 80% of EA is unacceptable. Let the university governing council, who is your employer determine who earns what, and how.
Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by Samakus(m): 2:40pm On Nov 30, 2020
Nwadiuto247:


It is called Earned Academic Allowance [EAA)

SSANU created their own as Earned Allowance.

ASUU goes all the way to negotiate their own,. After all the suffering, SSANU will want it to be shared.

If you think what SSANU is doing is good then let somebody struggle to share your hard earned harvest with you

Wrong deduction.

FG has already cleared the air that the money released is for all the unions earned allowances whether academic or administrative earned allowance. All the unions have their agreement with government. In a sane clime, nobody is even supposed to talk about about earned allowances as it's an agreement between the unions and FG and should be paid without any noise.

There's a negotiation to include earned allowances in staff salaries, if it goes through, will there be these wranglings?

We don't need this friction. Both unions are supposed to work hand on hand. Neither can function properly without the other
Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by shadeyinka(m): 2:42pm On Nov 30, 2020
Samakus:


Nobody is saying, earn the same thing. After all, Conuass is higher than contiss but a situation where teaching staff collect 80% of EA is unacceptable. Let the university governing council, who is your employer determine who earns what, and how.
But the issue is that ASUU fought for this EA for academic staff and they made it clear in their negotiations with the FG. What if ASUU had failed, would SSANU have done. SSANU accepted to join IPPIS, left ASUU to slug it out for almost 8months of no salary....to me, it doesn't make sense. They should negotiate with their caring and responsible FG!

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Re: SSANU Warns Against ‘unjust’ Sharing Of N40bn Earned Allowances by Chibueze90: 2:44pm On Nov 30, 2020
Samakus:


Nobody is saying, earn the same thing. After all, Conuass is higher than contiss but a situation where teaching staff collect 80% of EA is unacceptable. Let the university governing council, who is your employer determine who earns what, and how.
So what is acceptable if I may ask you?

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