thanks Ikenna for the response. infact he checked the BSM but all to no avail. i dont think he checked the BSI relays or rather i didnt notice him do it!
So worst case scenerio if im to think of replacing the BSI unit how much would all the components cost? and is it available in the dealerships? we scanned the lion and the BSi didnt communicate, a host of other ecus' also didnt communicate.

gabng: IK,

Please help me out with thus VIN's

VF36DRFNE5L005415
VF36DRFNE5L004610
VF36DRFNE5L005233

They are 407's and i would like to know if they are EW10 (which you say are easier to maintain)

Also how can i tell which automatic transmission is better?

By mere looking at the VIN, I know they are all 407. The 4th digit said so.

For 406, its 8 (VF3[b]8[/b]). For 607, its 9 (VF3[b]9[/b]). For 407, its 6 (VF3[b]6[/b]).


* V = Europe.
* F= France.
* 3= Peugeot.
* 6= 407.
etc.


Please, I didnt mean that EW10 407 is easier to maintain, after all my ES9J4S is easy to maintain as well, if not easier. What I meant was that its average engine in EW series, in terms of power and economy. All EW engines in 407 have MTB (Motorised Throttle Body). So maintenance cost would be the same.


As for the result, will get back soon on that.

Ikenna

gabng: IK,

Please help me out with thus VIN's

VF36DRFNE5L005415
VF36DRFNE5L004610
VF36DRFNE5L005233

They are 407's and i would like to know if they are EW10 (which you say are easier to maintain)

Also how can i tell which automatic transmission is better?

Find the results below:


1. VF36DRFNE5L005415.

-Vehicle: 407, 4 Door Saloon.
- Engine: EW10 J4, 2.0 L, 16v, 138 hp.
- Transmission: AL4, 4-speed Auto Gearbox.
- Body Colour: Dolomite.
- Driving Position: LHD.



2. VF36DRFNE5L004610.

- Vehicle: 407, 4 Door Saloon.
- Engine: EW10 J4, 2.0 L, 16v, 138 hp.
- Transmission: AL4, 4-speed Auto Gearbox.
- Body Colour: Iceland Grey.
- Driving Position: LHD.



3. VF36DRFNE5L005233.

- Vehicle: 407, 4 Door Saloon.
- Engine: EW10 J4, 2.0 L, 16v, 138 hp.
-Transmission: AL4, 4-speed Auto Gearbox.
- Body Colour: Obsidian Black.
- Driving Position. LHD.




Ikenna

Ordinally, there is nothing wrong with AL4. But technically, its a complex Auto box. Meaning, if anything goes wrong in that box, you will need an AL4 specialist to rebuild it, not just an auto box specialist. The solenoid which usually cause the AL4 failure is not available in Nigeria, unless you can source it outside the country. But if you can afford to replace the entire box "if" it fails, then the issue is resolved.

*Note. There are people i know that have driven their Lions with AL4 & 4HP20 auto transmissions for more than 2 years now and they have not experienced any transmission issues. So, it's a black and white thing that it must fail during your ownership of the car. They probably have been rebuilt or replaced in Europe before they acquired them, by the previous owners. Or that they are just lucky.

Find in page 8 of this thread what the AL4 solenoid looks like:

https://www.nairaland.com/1003701/peugeot-thread-psa-community/8


Ikenna

guysmilee134: thanks Ikenna for the response. infact he checked the BSM but all to no avail. i dont think he checked the BSI relays or rather i didnt notice him do it! so worst case scenerio if im to think of replacing the BSI unit how much would all the components cost? and is it available in the dealerships? we scanned the lion and the BSi didnt communicate, a host of other ecus' also didnt communicate.

It should be available in Peugoet dealership, but it will cost $$$$. ASD Motors had it sometime last year or so when i asked them (have forgotten the price though). But they didnt have a complet set then. I think 406 engine ECU was out of stock then, but the new BSI Unite and Key set were available. Will find out and get back to you.

But you can as well get the BSI set/kit (BSI Unit, Engine ECU and Keys) from a scrapped 406 at Used parts markets. It should cost less. Difference is that it will double your mileage on the instrument panel. All you need is to swap the transponders in the 2 keys. You dont need to change the switch, but the set will come with the switch anyway.

If you are buying a used one, you will need to get the VIN of the car they were removed from and the DAM number as well, for PP2000 diagnosis. Otherwise, you wont be able to diagnose or use PP2000 on that car anymore, even if the car starts running again.

A new set means you will have to take it to a Peugeot dealership to code the 3 components and update the engine ECU software with the last update from Peugeot. The new ones will be blank, until reprogrammed and updated.

But before going down this route of replacement, check the relays and fuses on the BSI unit. The BSI unit is behind the fuse box under the steering wheel.

Ikenna.

Ikenna351: Ordinally, there is nothing wrong with AL4. But technically, its a complex Auto box. Meaning, if anything goes wrong in that box, you will need an AL4 specialist to rebuild it, not just an auto box specialist. The solenoid which usually cause the AL4 failure is not available in Nigeria, unless you can source it outside the country. But if you can afford to replace the entire box "if" it fails, then the issue is resolved.

*Note. There are people i know that have driven their Lions with AL4 & 4HP20 auto transmissions for more than 2 years now and they have not experienced any transmission issues. So, it's a black and white thing that it must fail during your ownership of the car. They probably have been rebuilt or replaced in Europe before they acquired them, by the previous owners. Or that they are just lucky.

Find in page 8 of this thread what the AL4 solenoid looks like:

https://www.nairaland.com/1003701/peugeot-thread-psa-community/8


Ikenna

Thanks Ikenna.

Considering it shares engine parts with the EW10 406, what is your take on availability and affordability of parts?

I stay in Lagos

Thanks

gabng:

Thanks Ikenna.

Considering it shares engine parts with the EW10 406, what is your take on availability and affordability of parts?

I stay in Lagos

Thanks

Availability of EW10 parts shouldn't be an issue in any part of Nigeria. Most D9 and 407 on our roads have EW10 engine, including some 307. Or have you forgotten that PAN assembled and sold these cars in Nigeria too?

As for affordability. Sorry, genuine Peugeot parts are pricey. Peugeots are not cheap cars to run, if that's what you are asking.

Good morning.

Ikenna

I took this picture of my 2 impressive irresistable Lions about 5 minutes ago, after i realised the way i parked both of them. The King of Lions and The King of Foxes!

It's more like "Father (505 V6) and Son (406 V6)". Lol!






Closer look





Ikenna

IK, u must be A funny man. I wish to meet u In person. Can one get tokunbo of 505 and how much. What about the availabilty of its parts.

davonny: IK, u must be A funny man. I wish to meet u In person. Can one get tokunbo of 505 and how much. What about the availabilty of its parts.

I just couldn't resist capturing the moment, seeing a Father and Son in an interesting conversation:

"My dear son. How are you today? Hope you showed them your CLAWS while you were out there on the road this morning?" etc.

That what was going on in the above picture.


Ikenna

guysmilee134: thanks Ikenna for the response. infact he checked the BSM but all to no avail. i dont think he checked the BSI relays or rather i didnt notice him do it!
So worst case scenerio if im to think of replacing the BSI unit how much would all the components cost? and is it available in the dealerships? we scanned the lion and the BSi didnt communicate, a host of other ecus' also didnt communicate.

Hi,

Any update on the issue? Has it been sorted out?


Ikenna

Ikenna351:

Hi,

Any update on the issue? Has it been sorted out?


Ikenna

Ikenna the bros good job,My car is the 607 lion i like the shape.I want to buy one from Europe and ship to my mother.
Not a new brand car ooh,so i see you talk about the tranny problem but i do like the car auto tranny better ooh.Which year from 2001 up should i go for bros?

Boki:
Ikenna the bros good job,My car is the 607 lion i like the shape.I want to buy one from Europe and ship to my mother.
Not a new brand car ooh,so i see you talk about the tranny problem but i do like the car auto tranny better ooh.Which year from 2001 up should i go for bros?

If you can afford phase II that cost more than the Phase I, then go for it. Phase II is 2004-2010. Phase I has VAN-bus, while Phase II has CAN-bus electrical system, a better system.

Ikenna

Pls house I am confused and I need ur advice. I want to buy a car nd I have two options a 2001 camry nd a 2002 pug 406. Which shuld I go for. Thanks for ur advice.

Dgame7: Pls house I am confused and I need ur advice. I want to buy a car nd I have two options a 2001 camry nd a 2002 pug 406. Which shuld I go for. Thanks for ur advice.

Sorry, we don't compare Peugeot with other brands here. So i would advice you rephrase your question.

Good morning.

Ikenna

@ Ikenna thanks. I will just hve to join the lions club. Pls advice on d year of 406 to buy nd how to know a sound one dat was not converted. Thanks one luv.

Dgame7: @ Ikenna thanks. I will just hve to join the lions club. Pls advice on d year of 406 to buy nd how to know a sound one dat was not converted. Thanks one luv.

I would suggest you go for D9 (1999-2008).

What number of cylinders are in interested in? Inline-4 or V6?

And as for how to know converted RHD D9, you post the VIN here. I will confirm the factory driving position for you.

Ikenna

Good morning all, I want to find out if anyone know where I can get information display screen for my 406 2003 model. Thanks

obawale: Good morning all, I want to find out if anyone know where I can get information display screen for my 406 2003 model. Thanks

State your location.

Ikenna

@Ikenna thanks I want a 4cyl. U re really the lion king. The simba of our tym.

Dgame7: @Ikenna thanks I want a 4cyl. U re really the lion king. The simba of our tym.

Then, I would suggest you go for the EW family engine of any of the 3 below:

1. EW 7 : 115 hp.

2. EW 10: 138 or 145 hp.

3. EW 12: 170 hp.


The above listed engines are good and are all 4 cylinder petrol engines. You can choose any of the 3, depending on how heavy right footed you can be behind the wheel. EW engines succeeded XU series. An improvement on XU engines.


Ikenna

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Ikenna351: This thread is for Lion owners, aspiring owners, Lion admirers and friends of Lions (former Peugeot owners).

If you are having any issue(s) with your Lion, you can seek for help here on how to sort it out. Someone might have a soluton to the nightmare the Lion is giving you.

We can as well post our experiences with our various Lions; both unhappy and happy ones.

Sometime early this year, very close to my office, I saw a 505 V6 packed in an "under Mango Tree Mechanic workshop". I went there and asked for the owner, for i wanted to see and know another fellow that own such a rare car like mine (505 V6) in Abuja. I was told the owner dropped the car over a week with them and the car was yet to be fixed. I asked what was wrong with the car, the mechanic became uncomfortable why my interest in the car and why i wanted to see the car owner. I explained to him that I own the same version of the 505 which is rare in Nigeria and I would like to know the owner, thats all. Well, he tried to explain to me what was wrong with the car, but he wasnt making sense. So I asked him to allow me to see the engine bay. When he opened the hood, I was shocked! Nearly all the vacuum lines were cut off from their various terminals. Weird! Well, i then asked him to start the car, when he did, i saw what or how the engine was behaving and knew right there the issue: an injection issue. A lot of things were wrong in that engine bay. No matter what the mechanic would tried to do, that issue must remain there, since all he explained to me he had done or replaced had nothing to do with the issue the car was having. In fact, he was creating more problems with his trial and error for that engine. He even replaced the MAF and installed the wrong part number (Luckly, I know the part number off head, since I have a similar car, with identical engine). I tried to get the owners phone number from him, but he wouldnt give me. Instead, he asked me to drop mine, that he would give the car owner whenever he comes, to call me. I made a note on the paper i gave to the mechanic to give to owner where i wrote down my number, explaining reason why i would want to meet with him, believing that the mechanic wouldnt understand what was written. I left them, after i realised that my presence there was no longer welcomed. As suspected, the owner never called because the mechanic would not have given him the note; fear that i want to collect chop from him! For another 3 more weeks, the car remained there at that workshop each time i passed there. At a point, I even forgot about it. 2 months later, i remembered, went back to check and the car was no longer there. Could be that the owner has towed the car to another workshop or only God knows what has happened to that car. This was a car I would have fixed that for person less than 24hrs, without a dime, if i had met him. There is no injection and ignition issue of 505 V6 i cannot fix myself. I have studied and mastered every wire from the 2 ECUs to various sensors, by knowing the function of each wire, sensors and components in that engine bay. I could tell quickly what is wrong with that EFI system and what the culprit would be with a little test with multimeter and test light. I dont need any scanner to diagnose and fix Bosch LH 2-2 Jetronic (EFI system of ZN3J - the PRV V6 engine in 505 V6). I couldnt help the guy because he was unlucky. If we had met in nairaland, he would have been saved from the hands of that clown that was killing the car when i went there. Possibly, he may have scrapped the car by now. Because there is no way that car would run properly with the condition i met it that day. So many wrongs were done in that engine bay.

Lets share our problems here in this thread and possibly get help from ourselves in keeping our Lions on the road as long as it takes.

Ikenna.

Ikenna351:

State your location.

Ikenna

Abuja

obawale:

Abuja

Then go to APO mechanic village. Locate France Line. France line is directly behind Benz line. You will find the Multifunction display screen there. Or you go up a little bit further, after a newly constructed Fuel station. You will find another Peugeot parts line there, mostly used parts.

You may get at Gudu market, but you will find mostly new parts there. Good luck.

Ikenna

Hi House. Hope we all had a splendid weekend.
my fox has been acting quite unpredictably, at interval I see the engine immobiliser sign and am unable to start the car. At such times the display reads ENGINE IMMOBILISER FAULT. why am really pissed with this development is that av been careful never to start the car without waiting for the STOP sign to clear. When this happens I simply switch of the ignition and allow the BSI to go to sleep and then try again which usually solves the problem. Why its so annoying is that it sometimes happens when am in a haste to get off.

Intend to scan the car tomorrow and clear any possible fault codes stored in its brain but am posting this problem coz am open to tips and experiences.

@ Ikenna. Still remember your tips on how to deactivate the immobilizer sign by depressing the key and counting to ten and removing and reinserting the key again but the thing is that this time around the car starts after switching ignition on and off and am really wondering just what the cause is....?

can you help me check this VIN Please. VF33CN6A785073606

Pls, my 406 EW 10 engine is leaking engine oil in to the manifold air intake through the vacuum hose thereby causing the the oil level to be low. I took it to a mechanic who said he would have to put new rings and bearings which set me back about 40k including workmanship.
A couple of days I started hearing sound from the engine like that of the valves or bearings and on checking lo and behold the same issue. Pls, is there a solution or do I need to change the engine ? Also how much wil EW 10 skeleton cost? Thanks and God bless.

tirnom: Pls, my 406 EW 10 engine is leaking engine oil in to the manifold air intake through the vacuum hose thereby causing the the oil level to be low. I took it to a mechanic who said he would have to put new rings and bearings which set me back about 40k including workmanship.
A couple of days I started hearing sound from the engine like that of the valves or bearings and on checking lo and behold the same issue. Pls, is there a solution or do I need to change the engine ? Also how much wil EW 10 skeleton cost? Thanks and God bless.

I don't understand what you mean by EW10 skeleton ? You mean engine block?

I wouldn't know where the oil entering your intake manifold was from, cylinder head or cylinders. But if truly the oil was from the cylinders, then replacing only the rings was a waste of money. Because for the cylinders to have worn that bad, the pistons and cylinder walls must have worn badly too (am not sure EW10 has piston liners).

Trust me, 40k doesn't come close to rebuilding an EW10 engine with genuine parts. Do you know how much a set of genuine EW10 pistons cost? It cost 80k+ at a Peugeot dealership here. You may end up spending more than 150k to rebuild an EW10 with genuine parts. So, if one can't afford to rebuild these engines with genuine parts, it's better to buy a used/tokunbo egine then.

I want to believe your engine must have been running very cold which led to the failure of the cylinders. Do you run only water in the cooling system? Did you remove the thermostat? Is your radiator fan spinning constantly as soon engine starts running ? What engine oil do you use?

Ikenna

Sorry for the mix up forgive me, pls.
I meant engine block. The thermostat is intact. The fan does not spin when the car starts. I use Quartz 7000. Thanks for your help.

tirnom: Sorry for the mix up forgive me, pls.
I meant engine block. The thermostat is intact. The fan does not spin when the car starts. I use Quartz 7000. Thanks for your help.

Speaking of intake manifold , where air & fuel mixture takes place before go into the combustion chambers via intake valves. It means the intake manifold has no direct contact with the cylinders. So i would suspect the cylinder head as the source of oil in the intake manifold.

The noise you hear could be coming from the camshaft or valves, depending on how it sounds.

Ikenna

Sorry for being a bother. Sir, if you were in my shoes how would you resolve the issue ? Thank you for your time.

Good morning house, how was the weekend. Just want to share with u d experiences I had with my 406, EW10 engine. For about eight months I was not able to use my AC because the AC evaporator in the dash board was faulty-leaking. I was told that d dash board had to be removed b4 they can access d avaporator and because of this I didn't attempt to repair d AC system until my mech recommended a 406 electricain specialist to me. Last week monday, they dismantled d dashboard and put another evaporator and coupled it back. Since then my AC has been very chill without any electrical fault araising. In addition, I was able to repair my fuel gauge and my speedometer. This guys are good. I'm now enjoying my lion more than ever b4.