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Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by jagunlabi(m): 3:37pm On Apr 07, 2006
'Gospel Of Judas': Judas Did Not Betray Jesus Afterall!

WASHINGTON - An ancient manuscript rediscovered after 1,700 years takes a "contrarian" view of the relationship between Jesus and Judas, the disciple who handed him over for crucifixion.

Instead of portraying Judas Iscariot as a traitor, as the canonical gospels of the New Testament do, this document — the Gospel of Judas — indicates that he acted at the request of Jesus to help him shed his earthly body.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12186080/
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by nightrider: 4:19pm On Apr 07, 2006
In the end times many shall come to decieve,
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by jagunlabi(m): 5:46pm On Apr 07, 2006
nightrider:

In the end times many shall come to decieve,
The real joke probably is that christians have been decieved all along,for millenia long.It is now that the truths are beginning to surface.
Moreover,remember that the socalled "endtime" has been around since the time of Jesus,that makes the age of this end time,well over 2000 years.
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by nightrider: 5:58pm On Apr 07, 2006
is it this story of Judas betraying Jesus thats tickling you. Worse stories are coming!
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by jagunlabi(m): 6:00pm On Apr 07, 2006
I know some of those already.I know even some that will knock you off your feet.
nightrider:

is it this story of Judas betraying Jesus thats tickling you. Worse stories are coming!
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by nightrider: 6:07pm On Apr 07, 2006
jagunlabi:

I know some of those already.I know even some that will knock you off your feet.

You'd have to knock Jesus of the cross and knock him back into the grave to knock me of my feet. The world can spin all the stories it wants. I'm standing on the rock.

I'm rather dissappionted with the stories, i expected the deception to be a bit stronger.
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by dearzi(f): 10:02pm On Apr 07, 2006
Tell me about it, i was so disappointed to see that news brief, to believe i went to school + work, carrying that on my mind, only to stay up to watch Anderson Cooper 360, i was so pissed off, it had to be the lamest finding. Well, whoever wants to believe Judas--that's their own saka! as for me and my house we will serve the Lord, holding steadfast, and looking unto Jesus, never waivering by God's grace! Judas will be fine!
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by owo(m): 10:25pm On Apr 07, 2006
Indeed its a lame story, I thought the authors (, discoverers) had a better story to tell.

Something written about 300years after Christ had died, and not even by Judas himself, is , at best, another 'fiction'.

its a real crap and not even worth the publicity it is receiving. There have been better finds, certainly.
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by Phonic(m): 10:54pm On Apr 07, 2006
Does it mean that the bible is telling lies or what, you people should not bring judgement upon your selves oh
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by Rhodalyn(f): 10:57pm On Apr 07, 2006
Phonic:

Does it mean that the bible is telling lies or what, you people should not bring judgement upon your selves oh
i totally agree wit U kiss kiss do not bring judgement upon thyselves
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by dearzi(f): 12:55am On Apr 08, 2006
I don't think it's a case of judment or otherwise, it's simply a case of letting God be true and every scientist and discoverer/ opposers of the Bible be a liar--simple! none of those things change my view on Christ.
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by obong(m): 3:46am On Apr 08, 2006
its just an old cult, why is everyone so fascinated with tis xtianity stuff. its clear someone a long time ago decided what story would be told and what would not be, and today the same group is doing it again,. by diggin up old caves to find scrolls that were supposedly lost, just to further generate interest in this cult
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by larger20(m): 4:19am On Apr 08, 2006
It could be real. What humans are beliveing is really based on what we know about.
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by princeonx: 4:32am On Apr 08, 2006
Honestly folks every now and then we see some crazy post here that needs no reply or response still we reply and comment on them. What will we gain from post like this one? that the bible is not true? that Judas did not betray Jesus? contradict our believes? We should know by now that Bible, believes, and religion are almost completely opposite to science and some discoveries. A friend once asked me how a virgin (Mary) can conceive without sex? I tell you right now, if we want to know all the answers to some question in the bible, we'll be here arguing till the second coming! As far as this or any topic about God, Jesus, creation, and science  is concern, we'll sound very smart not saying a word!
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by larger20(m): 5:11am On Apr 08, 2006
prince_onx:

Honestly folks every now and then we see some crazy post here that needs no reply or response still we reply and comment on them. What will we gain from post like this one? that the bible is not true? that Judas did not betray Jesus? contradict our believes? We should know by now that Bible, believes, and religion are almost completely opposite to science and some discoveries. A friend once asked me how a virgin (Mary) can conceive without sex? I tell you right now, if we want to know all the answers to some question in the bible, we'll be here arguing till the second coming! As far as this or any topic about God, Jesus, creation, and science is concern, we'll sound very smart not saying a word!

I am not trying to be devil but let me make it clear. The bible is not telling lies, however activities surrounding a situation might appear to be true apperently. For the fact that you saw me where a person is murdered does not mean i commited the crime, however i will be hold responsible to some extent to say something.

In this situation and in relationship to my comment above, It is possible that judas did not betray jesus however the activities surrounding the betrayal shows that Judas is responsible the death, therefore he should not be exempted in the betrayal
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by Shannon(f): 8:39am On Apr 08, 2006
Really I believe that the validity of the actual scroll should be questioned.  The currently accepted versions of the New Testament in the Bible (meaning NIV, King James, NLT, etc) are made up of books that were written within 100 years of the life and death of Jesus.  They are so widely accepted because not only were they all written within that time period, but there are hundreds of copies of these documents that are all accurate down to the exact wording in most cases.  Now, copies at the time were made by hand, therefore finding hundreds of copies of a document that are, for the most part, precisely the same is not such an easy thing.  Such commonly accepted books as works of Plato, Aristotle, and Socrates have much fewer available copies and for the most part no originals to compare to.  Some of their works have as few as 7 manuscripts that date hundreds of years after it was orginally written.  But yet these books are more widely accepted than the Bible.  All of these facts add validity to the New Testament as it is.  I would not be so quick to jump in to accepting this new document that was written so long after the other books, by a third party, that seems to only have one manuscript.  It's questionable at best, and although scientifically interesting, religiously, it doesn't hold water.
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by slac: 9:57am On Apr 08, 2006
There are dark secrets hidden in christianity and i know the worst is yet to come.
As for me i don't believe in all that church stuff.
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by nferyn(m): 10:02am On Apr 08, 2006
In early christianity, there were actually more gnostics than orthodox. It's only because the orthodox aligned themselves with the political powers, vigorously persecuted the gnostic churches and burned their books/scrolls that there are no more recent gnostic gospels available.
It's a hoax to think that most of the New Testament was written in the first century after Christ' death. There has been a conscious effort by the orthodox (Catholic) church to rewrite history to fit their view of the facts. For example, the much used reference by Flavius Josephus about Jesus life seems to be later insertion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus#Testimonium_Flavianum) and the finding of the dead sea scrolls also give a clearer view on how history was rewritten to fit the orthodox interpretation
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by jagunlabi(m): 1:02pm On Apr 08, 2006
I am happy to see that there are still enlightened people around like nferyn.I fail to understand some folks' blind defence of a foreign religion imposed upon them by colonialists.Yorubas say that,"oyinbo to se pencil,na lo se eraser".Who are we africans to debate what is true and what is false within a foreign,or to be more precise,european liturgy?Have we ever really,trully as black africans,studied the true history of this religion that we have so foolishly adopted as ours?Do we really know how it was formed?What dark,sinister secrets have been hidden from the rest of the world,including us, for thousands of years about this cult called christianity?Blind followership won't get us to paradise,as a lot of you guys have been decieved by indoctrinated brainwashing.
You all think that you know the true Jesus?How mistaken you all are!What you have today is a fake,corrupted,paganised Jesus,that is far far far removed from that Jesus, the jewish rabbi that walked the grounds of Palestine!Make una dey dia dey play ignoramus,and let yourself be decieved in this day and age of enlightenment!
Una never see anything yet,there are more stinko secrets to surface.So make una dress warm.
nferyn:

In early christianity, there were actually more gnostics than orthodox. It's only because the orthodox aligned themselves with the political powers, vigorously persecuted the gnostic churches and burned their books/scrolls that there are no more recent gnostic gospels available.
It's a hoax to think that most of the New Testament was written in the first century after Christ' death. There has been a conscious effort by the orthodox (Catholic) church to rewrite history to fit their view of the facts. For example, the much used reference by Flavius Josephus about Jesus life seems to be later insertion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus#Testimonium_Flavianum) and the finding of the dead sea scrolls also give a clearer view on how history was rewritten to fit the orthodox interpretation
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by jagunlabi(m): 1:38pm On Apr 08, 2006
Maybe it is "liturgically incorrect" to use the word, "lie",but there are lots of discrepancies put into that book by different gospel writers over the millenia that beg for clarifications.The bible has been edited and reedited so many times.
So i ask you,if the book represent the true words of God,why then does it have to be edited so often?
Phonic:

Does it mean that the bible is telling lies or what, you people should not bring judgement upon your selves oh
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by Gkings(m): 2:15pm On Apr 08, 2006
Nightrider, am not surprised to read your mail, do you still believe this kinda stuff?
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by Orikinla(m): 2:34pm On Apr 08, 2006
Ignorance is bliss.
Ignorance also kills.

When you don't understand the brains behind these researches, you will never understand the hype over it.

First they came up with how Jesus Christ could have walked on water. That it must have been ice. See "Jesus Christ Was An Ice Skater and Other Stories" on http://nigeriantimes.blogspot.com/ and next the Gospel of Judas from the Apocrypha. This is only news to those who have not read much.

On those calling Christianity a foreign religion, which religion is not foreign?
IFA?
Where did Oduduwa come from?
Historically from Iraq.
Where did Abraham come from?
Historically from Iraq.
Where did the Father and Founder of the Hausas come from?
Historically from Iraq.

Even IFA Divination pointed to Jesus Christ.
For even Satan knows the truth.

My father was a certified Babalawo. And I studied IFA Divination.

If we understand John 1:1 of Holy Bible, we will stop demonstrating ignorance in public.

God bless.
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by SirKay3(m): 3:37pm On Apr 08, 2006
Am not surprised pls.

BLASPHEMY
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by otokx(m): 3:53pm On Apr 08, 2006
this is all so funny grin
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by Nobody: 5:46pm On Apr 08, 2006
2 Peter 3:3
First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by kenshin(m): 10:09pm On Apr 08, 2006
I think the moral of all this is 'Know God for yourself' if you know God and what he stands for then no matter what new theories they bring about Jesus or any event in the bible you will know where to place it cool
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by kimba(m): 10:23pm On Apr 08, 2006
[size=14pt]WHAT ELSE WONT THEY SAY[/size]

Let the scoffers say what they want. They are nothing but a bunch of scoffers.

@jagunlabi
You make me laugh, o boy. You started the thread with a news article from msnbc.msn.com. Then you go on and say:
The real joke probably is that christians have been decieved all along,for millenia long.It is now that the truths are beginning to surface.

You know what: man reveals who he is through his words. I guess you must have been looking for these kind of Christianity-condemning-pro-antichrist topics on the web. The Bible even said in the Last days, Anti-Christs will arise. Even if you found it by mistake, at least something must have been leading you there. It would have been better if you took time to read previous posts on NL about religious related topics, what people said, their opinions etc. You didnt actually need the msnbc comment to start trash-talking.

Mr. Jagunlabi
(1) Not everything that you see on the internet is 100% truth, allright? Learn to see beyond the news, see those writing it, see the financiers. I believe you wont be interested to see beyond the news, doing your own research as you are a ready proponent of such a wrong religious view.
I know some of those already.I know even some that will knock you off your feet.

Example: while some people are suing tobacco companies because cigarette gave them a cencer gift, some others are advertising it on TV, with a tender voiced warning, smoking is dangerous to your health, consult your doctor. Tell me that those people behind the tobacco industry dont know that cigarette is bad for health on a long run? tell me they dont know the difference between black and white. But hey, its what they are paid to do, right.

But, no shaking, i stand with @nightrider:
You'd have to knock Jesus of the cross and knock him back into the grave to knock me of my feet. The world can spin all the stories it wants. I'm standing on the rock.

I'm rather dissappionted with the stories, i expected the deception to be a bit stronger.
Satan cant even try it, not to talk of a mortal human like jagunlabi.

The truth is that the story on your msn weblink is quite LAME!!! Let me add salt and pepper: The truth is that there is someone that has to get a PhD in religion somewhere, and he/she has to cook up some news to shake the world. Thats ingenuity on its own. At least the major and ingenuous idea associated with Nigeria is 419,  grin grin and we have received world-recognition for that. So, definitely, someone has to get into the lime-light by discovering the "gospel of Judas".

And is it not so stupid, whoever is behind the discovery left the whole Old Testament, passed by the New Testament, passed by the Gospels, threw away all that Paul wrote, totally forgot the Revelation, picked out the disciples one by one and landed on Judas - saw his faithfulness, and his sincerity in following the Lord, and in Jesus' interest in Him to become the Betrayer.

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this is a small digression from the topic, but its worth reading:
You might have come across the Satanic Bible. If you dont know, now you do. There is a Satanic Bible, that some people in America and Europe read. They gather together (like Christians do) for "Satanic Worship". They sing and clap in "Satanic Praise". They even Preach their own "Satanic messages" and go our for evangelism - soul winning. Now, wont you be scared if someone came to you preaching Satan.? The info I have says their leader is the son of a Baptist pastor, and that some of his key leaders went to Bible school, Seminary, to study the Bible. Guess what thesis they came out with: The gospels according to Satan.

While a student in Univ, in the Library, i came across this nice looking hard covered Bible, and the cover just caught me off my feet. Lo and behold, twas a picture of Jesus with a ponytail, with earings and lipstick. I was like wow. I spent the next 5-hours reading to my dismay, what people would do for research in this world of ours. Just some intro: In Genesis, God is referred to as (she), and God created Eva. Eva named all the animals, asked God for a help meet, God made Eva to sleep, took out of her(Evas) ribs and created Adam. Eva sees Adam, and says, this is the bone of my bone, Eva is potrayed as the head of the family, because she received instructions from God and tells Adam what to do. In fact, twas Adam that got deceived by satan and now called his wife to eat the fruit. Their kids, Cain and Abel were the first 2-girls in the garden and Seth was the first boy, now should i continue?

Jesus in the new testament was a lady, i forgot what they said about mary and joseph, anyway, she(Jesus) had 12 lady disciples. Now imagine someone sitting down and from Genesis to Revelation wrote all such crap. I turned to the back to see the author, and twas a lady, who got a PhD in divinity(i think) with a major in God and woman relationship. Part of the info is that she goes around the world holding seminars and proposing her faith that the Bible is from a (she) perspective.

Ill look for her website and post it.
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back to the topic
The question is: Wasnt it prophesized in the Old Testament that the Son of God will be betrayed and woe betides whoever will betray the Lord?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12186080/
The newly translated document’s text begins: “The secret account of the revelation that Jesus spoke in conversation with Judas Iscariot.”

In a key passage Jesus tells Judas, “You will exceed all of them. For you will sacrifice the man that clothes me.” This indicates that Judas would help liberate the spiritual self by helping Jesus get rid of his physical flesh, scholars said.

“Step away from the others and I shall tell you the mysteries of the kingdom,” Jesus says to Judas, singling him out for special status. “Look, you have been told everything. Lift up your eyes and look at the cloud and the light within it and the stars surrounding it. The star that leads the way is your star.”


And to whoever believes in the above should please explain these verses from the Bible:


Luk 6:16 And Judas [the brother] of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor.
Luk 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.
Luk 22:47 And while he yet spake, behold a multitude, and he that was called Judas, one of the twelve, went before them, and drew near unto Jesus to kiss him.
Luk 22:48 But Jesus said unto him, Judas, betrayest thou the Son of man with a kiss?

If Judas did not betray Jesus, how did Satan come into the picture.
Do you mean Jesus, Judas and Satan planned together to hatch the plot?


Jhn 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?  
Jhn 6:71 He spake of Judas Iscariot [the son] of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.  
Jhn 13:1 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.  
Jhn 13:2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's [son], to betray him;  


Jhn 12:1 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.  
Jhn 12:2 There they made him a supper; and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with him.  
Jhn 12:3 Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.  
Jhn 12:4 Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's [son], which should betray him,  
Jhn 12:5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?  
Jhn 12:6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.  

Why should Jesus, the emblem of Love Himself call Judas(the Bible calls him a thief, someone that has no love anywhere in his heart) aside, give Him a vision and mission that He(Jesus) could not give to any member of His inner circle members(Peter, James and John), just so that woe will fall upon his (Judas) head, and for Him to fulfill the scriptures? What qualified Judas to "receive the mysteries of the Kingdom" that Peter could not receive? What made Judas so special?

And what agreement has Jesus with a thief

For such a mission as the one described on the weblink you provided(http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12186080/), i believe, Jesus should have chosen the best of His crew. At least, thank God, they(scholars) didnt say that Judas was forced to betray Jesus, meaning he betrayed Jesus on his own free-will.

And if Jesus and Judas planned it, why did Judas hang himself afterwards?

Mat 27:3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,  
Mat 27:4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What [is that] to us? see thou [to that].  
Mat 27:5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.  
Mat 27:6 And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.  
Mat 27:7 And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in.  
Mat 27:8 Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day.  
Mat 27:9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;  
Mat 27:10 And gave them for the potter's field, as the Lord appointed me.

I believe if what Judas did was a "Jesus sanctioned assignment" Judas should not have said what he had said in Mat 27:4(Judas admitted guilt), isnt it. or is the part of Judas hanging himself part of the plan also? Is there any mystery of the Kingdom in the Bible that tells anyman to go and kill himself. Of what good would the death of Judas and the death of Jesus do to Christianity. Did Judas have to die? did he receive any reward for it? The Bible said someone was going to betray the son of God, but no names were mentioned. If Jesus had to go and personally commission Judas for the job, why wasnt Judas specifically mentioned anywhere. He gave his heart over to the devil.

Then Mr Jagunlabi, you should ask yourself where and when did Jesus take Judas apart for this special revelation? was there any writer in the Bible, any theologian, any historian in past or recent times that ever talked/suggested anything about the "closeness of Jesus and Judas"? How come he got a gospel to preach. So where did this new relationship between Judas and Jesus start from? Its only the author that knows, and unfortunately, he's not around now to back-up His script.

But you know the best part: God has been backing up His Word since Genesis, Jesus has been backing up His promises, the Holy-Spirit has been backing up the Believers. So theres no need to fall-prey to history that has no back-up.

@obong
its just an old cult, why is everyone so fascinated with tis xtianity stuff. its clear someone a long time ago decided what story would be told and what would not be, and today the same group is doing it again,. by diggin up old caves to find scrolls that were supposedly lost, just to further generate interest in this cult

Christianity is a way of Life. Christianity is not a cult. By the way, Obong, what do you believe in. Scientists tell us that man mortal man cannot claim to exist without a belief. So Obong, which cult are you in? grin

@slac

There are  dark secrets hidden in christianity and i know the worst is yet to come.
As for me i don't believe in all that church stuff.
Believe in Jesus first, He'll explain all you need to know to you.

@jagunlabi

Who are we africans to debate what is true and what is false within a foreign,or to be more precise,european liturgy?Have we ever really,trully as black africans,studied the true history of this religion that we have so foolishly adopted as ours?Do we really know how it was formed?What dark,sinister secrets have been hidden from the rest of the world,including us, for thousands of years about this cult called christianity?Blind followership won't get us to paradise,as a lot of you guys have been decieved by indoctrinated brainwashing.
You all think that you know the true Jesus?How mistaken you all are!What you have today is a fake,corrupted,paganised Jesus,that is far far far removed from that Jesus, the jewish rabbi that walked the grounds of Palestine!Make una dey dia dey play ignoramus,and let yourself be decieved in this day and age of enlightenment!
Una never see anything yet,there are more stinko secrets to surface.So make una dress warm

Fine, Jagunlabi, we Africans are not in a position to verify debate anything, neither do we have the brainpower or resource to verify anything. Ok, so what? have you, on your own personal effort or anyone in nairaland ever spent 12 consecutive months verifying the identity of your own parents. who told you that what they looked at when you finally learnt to add 1+1 was what they looked at when you were born? what scientific steps have you taken to verify your own personal birth-certificate? is it really genuine? you should have had someone extra-ordinary to stand beside your mother to verify that you were the one that really popped out from her belly and you were not mis-placed or mis-appropriated in the Hospital to the wrong parent. All the scientific or art knowledge you know today, how many have you personally verified. How many of us here have actually disagreed with out math teacher when we found out that 1+1 wasnt equal to 2. And did you disagree with anyone when you left primary school that you wanted to change your name because you just found out that was not your original name? and then you went to high-school and university and believed all the science and art bull-poo that all the professors told you? and for those of us who graduated at the top of our class, did we get an award for believing a whole lot of errors/unverified theories we were told about, and which we had to "understand", memorize and recollect during exams for 4 or 5 long years, or was the award because we found out a whole lots of truths/course we took in college that our professors did not find out in their time as students, and for which they recognized that Yes, we were smart? please tell me,

and for those who dont believe in Jesus, when did that start? when you were one year old? of when you were 6 or 7 and reasoning began descending on you?

whatever you believe in today: is it a personal revelation/effort on your part. Let the Catholics tell me they had a personal revelation and their belief is different from others, let the Muslims tell me that there was a supernatural revelation before you decided for Allah,  If i say im an aethist, i and a whole lot of other people are aethists, and what is the basis of our belief for us calling ourselves african aethists since we as Africans never heard any way of verifying anything(religion, science, art, facts, figures, technology, nothing), nothing about what we were told(that there is a God, or there is no God), or that there is one who doesnt give a damn about whats happening? Let someone tell us about his own personal research you have done, and what results you have gotten that are different from what others have or had gotten.

So Mr. jagunlabi, if your conclusion that African Christians are wrong in their belief in Jesus, since as you said they had no way of verifying the history of their faith, then the same is true for you that you(and all those who despise Christianity) are wrong in your disbelief in Jesus because you have not, as a person verified the root cause and history of what faith or faithlessness holds sway in your heart and mind. Its just two sides of the same coin, brother, an application of some logic.

Let me give you another problem to solve: do you know Mr Jagunlabi, that your two ears are not on the same level on your head? One is higher than the other. Take a mirror  grin grin grin, and a tape-rule and a measure and measure the distance from center of your head downwards to your left and right ear. You might not notice the difference, but the difference is there. Now, what have you done as regards this discrepancy. But its truth. Perhaps, you might just be knowing for the first time.


Man ceases to exist when he ceases to belief in a supernatural being. There is an element of God in every human heart and soul, whether that person likes it or not. Its either we resist it, or accept Him. The greater truth is that the host of Heaven always back up the Bible. The Bible was one of the first references on science and medicine.

Im not here preaching Christianity, neither am I despising it, im just trying to make you see the import of having a balanced view on things. And Mr Jagunlabi, what personal effort have you made to verify the genuineness of this Nairaland forum, and all the technology the internet offers us, I can conclude that yes, these things were imposed on you.

Naturally, common sense should make us to see the light, but its a pity tha what each of us is born with that is so common, is no more common.

@orikinla
On those calling Christianity a foreign religion, which religion is not foreign?
IFA?
Where did Oduduwa come from?
Historically from Iraq.
Where did Abraham come from?
Historically from Iraq.
Where did the Father and Founder of the Hausas come from?
Historically from Iraq.

Even IFA Divination pointed to Jesus Christ.
For even Satan knows the truth.
And i wonder how many Nigerians have gone to Iraq to go and verify the roots of their Faith, yet Ifa divination is now on the intenet.  grin

should i end now?
Mr Jagulabi and his likes:
If the Bible is what you dont believe in, NairaLand is not the best resource for you to prove your disbelief or find your faith.
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by welborn(m): 10:55pm On Apr 08, 2006
Kimba, I doff my hat - you practically anticipated me and took the word right out of my mouth, lol. I'll post my observations all the same.

Actually, I don't think that we should waste so much time questioning the validity of the discovery. What should be more important to us - believers and unbelievers (or non-believers) alike - is the question: how much of truth does it represent? It's hilarious that everytime a so-called discovery is made with regards to the Christian faith, the brains behind such and those who applaud them have one aim in mind: to write off Christianity as a HOAX. Let's sample some of these bogus games floating around on the net:

   (a)  Jesus used cannabis - http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,869273,00.html 

   (b)  Was Jesus Christ Really A Woman Called Judith? - http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44563 

   (c)  Jesus Must Have Walked on Ice - http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/04/science/04find.html 

   (d)  Judas did not betray Jesus Afterall - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12186080/ 

You would have noticed two recurrent ideas among many others in these recent episodes:

(i) they don't have real answers to the questions they raise - have you noticed how many times the researchers use such non-committal expressions like 'what might be', 'probably occured' and 'the scientist suggested'? At the end, since they fail to give authentic answers themselves, it is not surprising that they still leave it up to anyone's guess to draw uncertain inferences.

(ii) the researchers don't trust their own findings - it always comes back to the probability explanation. Apply this to the Gospel of Judas theory: who wrote that 'Gospel', and how could we be sure it has any substance in representing what exactly might've happened - "now that the truths are beginning to surface", as jagunlabi put it? One review says, 'it is neither a Gospel nor was it written by Judas.'

For me, there are gaping holes in the Gospel of Judas discovery, even without having read it. Besides its late date of a few hundred years removed from the time of the apostles, and the fact that Judas could not be verified as its authentic author, the questions still remain: why would Jesus have 'connived/collaborated' with Judas in the plot of His betrayal? Now, if Judas was only helping out a grand scheme hatched by Jesus Himself, has this new discovery helped the discoverers or jagunlabi to believe in Jesus Christ at all? In the end, how did Judas "exceed" the others by this twist of secret connivance with Jesus about His own betrayal? We are not told anywhere in the discovery.

I think the conclusion suggested by the topic is rather insidious and silly: "Breaking News! - Judas Did Not Betray Jesus Afterall!" How did the handler of the topic come to this conclusion in the first place? This is the type of hype trumpeted by those who just want to advertize their prejudices. None of the news article reporting the find/discovery drew the conclusion that Judas did not betray Jesus afterall! Even Irenaeus called it a "ficticious history".
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by Bree(f): 4:10am On Apr 09, 2006
That's all crap jare.
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by joftech(m): 1:56pm On Apr 09, 2006
It seems most of you did not even bother to go throught the content and context of the text.

Let me quote a verse on that site

In a key passage Jesus tells Judas, “You will exceed all of them. For you will sacrifice the man that clothes me.” This indicates that Judas would help liberate the spiritual self by helping Jesus get rid of his physical flesh, scholars said.


That's shows that Jesus(spirit) is asking Judas to help him to bring an end to the flesh clothing him (abi don't you all know Jesus is spirit in human body).

And since Judas has been told he will be the greatest among the rest it does not suprise me if he was treated as an outcast just like Joseph.

At times what you know may not be the truth, just accept new truths as they emerge.

Galileo Galilei was once thought to be crazy.
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by desiree(f): 3:15pm On Apr 09, 2006
It took them this long to discover that, all lies i say angry angry
Re: Gospel Of Barnabas: Judas Did Not Betray Jesus? by Orikinla(m): 3:24pm On Apr 09, 2006
With brains like Kimba, the future of Nigeria is very bright.

Kimba has said it all.

May the peace of our eternal Prince of Peace, Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today and forever be with you all.

God bless.

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