double j1: The calendar he will most definitely be using would be the calendar that was in use by them at that point in time

Imam Ali was 22 years old when the Islamic claneder started in 622. Imam Ali's reign started in 651.


Safe to say, Imam Ali used the Islamic calender which has 355 days. LagosShia has been debunked

MacDaddy01:


Imam Ali was 22 years old when the Islamic claneder started in 622. Imam Ali's reign started in 651.


Safe to say, Imam Ali used the Islamic calender which has 355 days. LagosShia has been debunked

you are mistaken the year of the hijrah for the year the hijrah calendar was formed.the calendar itself based on the hijrah was formed more than a decade (almost two) after the actual event and after the death of Prophet (sa).the Quran only touches on the basic descriptions like the months to God are 12 and 4 are sacred,e.t.c.but the calendar form itself was established decades after the hijrah.

-Imam Ali (as) was born in the year 600 CE

-the hijrah of the Prophet (sa) from Makkah to Medinah was in the year 622 CE

-seventeen years after the hijrah,the hijrah year was designated as the first year of the islamic calendar.

so Imam Ali (as) then was 22+17=39 years old.


you have again used your ignorance to call me a "liar" and proven wrong.this is the second time.

LagosShia:

you are mistaken the year of the hijrah for the year the hijrah calendar was formed.the calendar itself based on the hijrah was formed more than a decade (almost two) after the actual event and after the death of Prophet (sa).the Quran only touches on the basic descriptions like the months to God are 12 and 4 are sacred,e.t.c.but the calendar form itself was established decades after the hijrah.

-Imam Ali (as) was born in the year 600 CE

-the hijrah of the Prophet (sa) from Makkah to Medinah was in the year 622 CE

-seventeen years after the hijrah,the hijrah year was designated as the first year of the islamic calendar.

so Imam Ali (as) then was 22+17=39 years old.


you have again used your ignorance to call me a "liar" and proven wrong.this is the second time.

You lie so much, you should be a politician.


First of all, Imam Ali's reign came in 656 when the Islamic calender was in full use around 632 (10 years after the Hijrah)

So Imam Ali used the Islamic calendar.


Even if he didnt use the Islamic calender, the pre-islamic calender has less than 360 days. Why? All lunar calendars have less than 360 days.

MacDaddy01:



You lie so much, you should be a politician.


First of all, Imam Ali's reign came in 656 when the Islamic calender was in full use around 632 (10 years after the Hijrah)

So Imam Ali used the Islamic calendar.


Even if he didnt use the Islamic calender, the pre-islamic calender has less than 360 days. Why? All lunar calendars have less than 360 days.

1.) what does Imam Ali's (as) reign have to do with him answering such a question? was Imam Ali (as) holding the caliphate seat when the caliphs used to seek his advice?

2.) and how does even using an Islamic calendar prevents him from referring to an older calendar?

Imam Ali's (as) Mathematical Brilliance in Sharing Inheritance

Imam Ali ibn Abi Taleb (as) was endowed with a quick, sharp, incisive, mathematical mind. Here are a few interesting stories in which Imam Ali ibn Abi Taleb's (as) mathematical brilliance revealed itself.

What is a wife's share?

Imam Ali ibn Abi Taleb (as) was once interrupted while he was delivering a sermon from the pulpit by someone who asked him how to distribute the inheritance of someone who had died leaving a wife, his parents and two daughters. Imam Ali ibn Abi Taleb (as) instantly answered:

"The wife's share becomes one ninth."

How?

This answer is in fact the result of a long analysis with a number of steps. Ordinarily, we have to decide on the original share of each of these heirs, in the following way:

The wife takes one eighth, in view of the presence of an inheriting child. [Noble Qur'an, 4:12]

The deceased's father and mother take one sixth each. [Noble Qur'an, 4:11]

The two daughters take two thirds of the inheritance. [Noble Qur'an, 4:11]

So the total will be:
1/8 + 1/6 + 1/6 + 2/3 = 3/24 + 4/24 + 4/24 + 16/24 = 27/24

This means the share becomes less than 1/8 in view of the increase of the total of the shares which are so fixed and prescribed. So the one eighth, the original share due to the wife out of twenty-four total shares, has become three shares out of a total of twenty-seven, which is one ninth.

Imam Ali ibn Abi Taleb's (as) mind went through this complex mathematical process in a second!

Imam Ali ibn Abi Taleb's (as) Mathematical Brilliance: Dividing 17 Camels

Dividing 17 Camels a person was about to die, and before dying he wrote his Will which went as follows:

"I have 17 Camels, and I have three sons. Divide my Camels in such a way that my eldest son gets half of them, the second one gets 1/3rd of the total and my youngest son gets 1/9th of the total number of Camels."

After his death when the relatives read his will they got extremely perplexed and said to each other that how can we divide 17 camels like this.

So after a long hard thought they decided that there was only one man in Arabia who could help them: "Imam Ali ibn Abi Taleb (as)."

So they all came to the door of Imam Ali ibn Abi Taleb (as) and put forward their problem.

Imam Ali ibn Abi Taleb (as) said, "Ok, I will divide the camels as per the man's will."

Imam Ali ibn Abi Taleb (as) said, "I will lend one of my camels to the total which makes it 18 (17+1=18), now lets divide as per his will."

The eldest son gets 1/2 of 18 = 9
The second one gets 1/3 of 18 = 6
The youngest gets 1/9 of 18 = 2
Now the total number of camels = 17 (9+6+2=17)

Then Imam Ali ibn Abi Taleb (as) said, "Now I will take my Camel back."

Imam Ali ibn Abi Taleb's (as) Mathematical Brilliance: Five Loaves of Bread

Five Loaves of BreadZarr Bin Hobeish relates this story: Two travelers sat together on the way to their destination to have a meal. One had five loaves of bread. The other had three. A third traveler was passing by and at the request of the two joined in the meal.

The travelers cut each of the loaf of bread in three equal parts. Each of the travelers ate eight broken pieces of the loaf.

At the time of leaving the third traveler took out eight dirhams and gave to the first two men who had offered him the meal, and went away. On receiving the money the two travelers started quarrelling as to who should have how much of the money.

The five loaf man demanded five dirhams. The three loaf man insisted on dividing the money in two equal parts.

The dispute was brought to Imam Ali ibn Abi Taleb (as) (the Caliph of the time in Arabia) to be decided.

Imam Ali ibn Abi Taleb (as) requested the three loaf man to accept three dirhams, because five-loaf-man has been more than fair to you. The three loaf man refused and said that he would take only four dirhams. At this Imam Ali ibn Abi Taleb (as) replied, "You can have only one dirham." You had eight loaves between yourselves. Each loaf was broken in three parts. Therefore, you had 24 equal parts. Your three loaves made nine parts out of which you have eaten eight portions, leaving just one to the third traveler. Your friend had five loaves which divided into three made fifteen pieces. He ate eight pieces and gave seven pieces to the guest. As such the guest shared one part from your loaves and seven from those of your friend. So you should get one dirham and your friend should receive seven dirhams.

Imam Ali ibn Abi Taleb's (as) Brilliant Judgement: A Camel Shared by Three

Imam Ali ibn Abi Taleb's (as) Brilliant JudgementThree men shared a Camel equally. One of them tied his forelegs and went away for some work. In the meantime, the other two returned to their place of stay and untied one of the foreleg and they also went away together. The Camel in their absence, walked with one untied leg off the place where the first man had tied him and fell in a well and wounded himself by the fall. The two men returned again, saw the Camel fallen in the well, got him out somehow or other, and butchered him and sold the meat for collecting some money in view of a little compensation for the loss.

When the first partner returned, he saw the skin of the Camel. On enquiry, the two other partners told him what had happened. He took an objection to it, and rather complained against their untying the Camel which resulted in the heavy loss to him.

He then took the case to Imam Ali ibn Abi Taleb (as), who ordered for payment of 1/3 of the actual price of the Camel to him. When the cash which was collected by selling the meat of the camel was counted it was one third of the cost price of the Camel.

This amount was paid in full to the first partner of the Camel and the other two went away empty handed.

While they were about to leave, Imam Ali ibn Abi Taleb (as) told them that as they had not taken proper care for the safety of the Camel and the safeguard of their shares, whereas their first partner had by tying his two legs, hence it is their loss.

I am enjoying this topic about Sayiddina Ali ibn Abi Talib [ra]. If he were alive, today, the computer world would have had its best[est] programmer, ever.

And Ali was only a door to the knowledge house, which is Muhammad ibn Abdallah [sa].

@Logicboy: The maximun number of days in a month in Islam is 30. The minimun is 29. There are 12 months in a year.
When you perform experiment or you are finding the strength of anything, you put it under maximum strength.

When the man who multiplied the days in a year by 7 chose 360 instead of other unsure number less that 360, he went for what he knew was probable surety, instead of the uncertain number of possible months of the year that may be 29, while we all know that in the greatest scenario, surely all month can be 30 days each.

the arabs were smart and they did not have to be believers before they knew the truth, the reason the disbelievers , Kafiruun are concealers of "truth the know".

@idi ileke: The message behind the knowledge of Imam Ali [ra] is beyond your capability of understanding, until you actually research islam for yourself. a baby cow [calf] will not know that he is lunch of the tiger, until he is killed. But mother cow [heifer] that has experience of the ability of the big cat will remain wisely in the confine of the preventing fence and enjoy the safety to live to see all her days.


@usisky: Are you comparing kalifah to Iman Ali [ra]? You need to quit cold turkey.

You people are brainwashed to the fullest.

Was Muhammad an illiterate?

Where did Imam Ali learn all these things that are claimed about him;

-numerology
-theology
-law
-poetry
-philosophy


Or are these exaggerations? A warrior and a scholar and a religious man tied all into one.

MacDaddy01: You people are brainwashed to the fullest.

Was Muhammad an illiterate?

Holy Quran 2:239
"And if you fear [an enemy, then pray] on foot or riding. But when you are secure, then remember Allah [in prayer], as He has taught you that which you did not [previously] know".

Holy Quran 42:52
"And thus We have revealed to you an inspiration of Our command. You did not know what is the Book or [what is] faith, but We have made it a light by which We guide whom We will of Our servants. And indeed, [O Muhammad], you guide to a straight path -"

Holy Quran 29:48
"And you did not recite before it any scripture, nor did you inscribe one with your right hand. Otherwise the falsifiers would have had [cause for] doubt".

Where did Imam Ali learn all these things that are claimed about him;

-numerology
-theology
-law
-poetry
-philosophy


Or are these exaggerations? A warrior and a scholar and a religious man tied all into one.

The Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said: "I am the City of Knowledge, and Ali is its Gate. So whoever intends to enter the City and the Wisdom, he should enter from its Gate."

LagosShia:

Holy Quran 2:239
"And if you fear [an enemy, then pray] on foot or riding. But when you are secure, then remember Allah [in prayer], as He has taught you that which you did not [previously] know".

Holy Quran 42:52
"And thus We have revealed to you an inspiration of Our command. You did not know what is the Book or [what is] faith, but We have made it a light by which We guide whom We will of Our servants. And indeed, [O Muhammad], you guide to a straight path -"

Holy Quran 29:48
"And you did not recite before it any scripture, nor did you inscribe one with your right hand. Otherwise the falsifiers would have had [cause for] doubt".



The Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said: "I am the City of Knowledge, and Ali is its Gate. So whoever intends to enter the City and the Wisdom, he should enter from its Gate."

Can you calm down with the robotic quotation?

MacDaddy01:


Can you calm down with the robotic quotation?

as usual,when you're presented what you should read and comprehend on your own and answer your questions,you call it "robotic quotation".you want to keep arguing and twisting facts and turning up and down.

LagosShia:

as usual,when you're presented what you should read and comprehend on your own and answer your questions,you call it "robotic quotation".you want to keep arguing and twisting facts and turning up and down.

No....It's just that, I'm getting weak from the quotations......I have Buzugee and Anony making me drink cider to calm down from their bible quotataions.....now you're killing me with Quran quotations. Dont turn me into a drunkard!

@ lagosshia could you post references to your post about Ali r.a, the stories are truly wonderful!

@MacDaddy01:

by MacDaddy01: 10:49pm On Aug 12
You people are brainwashed to the fullest.

Was Muhammad an illiterate?

Where did Imam Ali learn all these things that are claimed about him;

-numerology
-theology
-law
-poetry
-philosophy


Or are these exaggerations? A warrior and a scholar and a religious man tied all into one.

It is called miracles. That means sign from God. Its a phenomenon. Tell us their professors, if you know any apart from God Who you ignorantly deny.

By the way, you must have to assume that somebody got up one day and took up a pen to write. Who taught that person to pick up a pen and write? If it was not inspiration from God, tell me what inspired the person then and did not inspired him long before?

Use the same thinking cap when you are answering subject matters on Islam. Muhammad [sa] said he was a prophet. It is not a new thing that there be a human prophet.

He had a book of revelation with laws and instructions, etc. Thats not new, either. Your problem is that you have arrogantly wore prideful garment and you dont know how ridiculous you are to others.

Carry go and gerrraaotu from eeeha.

Sweetnecta: @MacDaddy01: It is called miracles. That means sign from God. Its a phenomenon. Tell us their professors, if you know any apart from God Who you ignorantly deny.

By the way, you must have to assume that somebody got up one day and took up a pen to write. Who taught that person to pick up a pen and write? If it was not inspiration from God, tell me what inspired the person then and did not inspired him long before?

Use the same thinking cap when you are answering subject matters on Islam. Muhammad [sa] said he was a prophet. It is not a new thing that there be a human prophet.

He had a book of revelation with laws and instructions, etc. Thats not new, either. Your problem is that you have arrogantly wore prideful garment and you dont know how ridiculous you are to others.

Carry go and gerrraaotu from eeeha.

The moment you start believing that illiterates could become scholars on various academic fields, you open the door to believing nonsense.

Just look at this thread. LagosShia probably heard some Shia myths about their main man (Imam Ali) and just believed it then came here to spread it.


None of the calenders used in Imam Ali's time had 360 days. LagosShia went on to believe the lies without fact checking. Simple fact checking saves one the problem of believing fairytales.

MacDaddy01:



The moment you start believing that illiterates could become scholars on various academic fields, you open the door to believing nonsense.

Just look at this thread. LagosShia probably heard some Shia myths about their main man (Imam Ali) and just believed it then came here to spread it.


None of the calenders used in Imam Ali's time had 360 days. LagosShia went on to believe the lies without fact checking. Simple fact checking saves one the problem of believing fairytales.

lol