babs787:

@pilgrim.1


Now can you please answer these questions?


What is the Greek word for God in the second statement?
What is the Greek word for God in the last statement?

pilgrim.1:

@babs787,

WHY then have you been recycling issues you do not know ANYTHING about, babs787?

You have no clues about what you argue, and then you have the temerity to accuse that the Bible has been altered and changed?

That is why I asked those questions, babs. . . and I am still remaining on just that one premise of not entertaining your games. Since you never seek to genuinely answer questions and all you do is keep DENYING every verse, then you leave me no option that to request that you crawl out of your shell and begin to seek to answer questions.

Until you do so, none of the other questions that you assumed to have prffered wilol be addressed. It is easy to make denials, but not easy to find answers to them.

Let us shed more light into the issue of trinity.

Christians use 1st epistle of john 5 v 7 as the verse on trinity wich goes this way:


for there are there that bear record in heaven, the father, the word and the holy spirit and thse three are one.Are there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water and the blood and these three agree in one.


The above is in King James Version authorised in 1611 and formed the strongest evidence for the Doctrine of the Trinity. But now this part, 'the father, the word and the holy ghost; and these three are one' has been expunged in the Revised Standard Version of 1952 and 1971 and in many other bibles as it was a gloss that had encroached on the Greek test.


I john 5 v 7 and 8 in the New American Standard Bible read as follows; 'and it is the spirit who bears witness because the spirit is truth. For there are three that bear witness, the spirit, and the water and the blood and the three are in agreement.


Also in the New World Translation of Holy Scriptures used by Jehovah Witness, you will find 'for there are three witness bearers, the spirit and the water and the blood and the three are in agreement'.


[b]Trinity is not biblical, it is not even in the bible, not in bible dictionaries, Jesus never taught trinity nor mentioned same. There is no basis or proof in the bible for the acceptance of trinity.[/[/b]quote]

Olabawole! abi wetin be your name. You be special case in this forum please let Babs decide for himself.

babs787:

@pilgrim.1

It seems you are not ready for me but when you are ready call on me for explanation to John 1 v 1.

You may ask any Jehovah Witness for the Greek meaning of the word I asked you and when you are through, call on me to provide further explanation on that.

Your trinity has been nailed to the wall.

olabowale:

In Islam, the whole Muslim ummah is a single body. When one part is sick, the whole body feel seek and feel the pain.

When you learn to drop your hypocrisy, you will face up to intelligence that Muslims only wish for. Trying to play games and expecting me to keep chasing your Islamic ducking every now and then is not going to glorify Islam.

You drop your hypocrisy, then we can enter into a discourse.

What is the Greek word for God in the second statement?
What is the Greek word for God in the last statement?

Trinity is not biblical, it is not even in the bible, not in bible dictionaries, Jesus never taught trinity nor mentioned same. There is no basis or proof in the bible for the acceptance of trinity.

babs787:

@pilgrim.1


When you are ready and want to know more about christianity, answer these questions


And you should know that:

pilgrim.1:

@babs787,

When you learn to drop your hypocrisy, you will face up to intelligence that Muslims only wish for. Trying to play games and expecting me to keep chasing your Islamic ducking every now and then is not going to glorify Islam.

You drop your hypocrisy, then we can enter into a discourse.

babs787:

@dafidixone

Can you help me beg your sister, pilgrim.1 to respond to my question?

pilgrim.1:

@babs787,

When you learn to drop your hypocrisy, you will face up to intelligence that Muslims only wish for. Trying to play games and expecting me to keep chasing your Islamic ducking every now and then is not going to glorify Islam.

You drop your hypocrisy, then we can enter into a discourse.

olabowale:

Some people are tickled pink because of the what luv2talk wrote: I can not find the thread where in he misspoke/miswritten, that Jesus died for truth.

olabowale:

I guess that he was for sure going to write that Jesus will die for truth when he returns. Or if his intention was about prior to Jesus being raised up, i am very sure that he intended to write that Jesus did not die but stood for truth.

olabowale:

As a Muslim, he would not find any other thing about the life and death of Jesus and his mission more than I have written above. If anyone will care to check the Qur'an, even the translation, and the hadith, and the story of the prophets, there is no single indication that Jesus has died and that his mission was different from any prior prophet's mission and the mission of the only prophet that came after him.

olabowale:

However if luv2talk is not a Muslim, he can say whatever he wants about whatever.

olabowale:

But Islam has its material sources from the Book of Ar Rahman, the Qur'an and Hadith/sunnah from Muhammad (as) the chief servant/slave of Allah the Ar Rahman. There is no point having any opinion different from Allah and His Messenger. All we have to say is that we hear and we obey. And ask for forgiveness.

Babs787 its an already accepted fact that the word Trinity is not found in the bible. The concept of three distinct persons does however exist in scriptures.
Let me show you several texts that highlight that concept:
Daniel 7:13,14    13 “ I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him. 14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him.
From this text alone its evident that there are two distinct persons. The Ancient of Days is the Father and the Son of Man is Jesus.
This represents the judgement scene in heaven where Jesus is now our High Priest interceding on our behalf in that same judgement in which all men are judged.

Revelation 5  
1 And I saw in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne a scroll written inside and on the back, sealed with seven seals.
2 Then I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and to loose its seals?”
3 And no one in heaven or on the earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll, or to look at it.
4 So I wept much, because no one was found worthy to open and read the scroll, or to look at it.
5 But one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals.”
6 And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth. 7 Then He came and took the scroll out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne.
The He in the 7th verse is Jesus, and the Him in the same verse is the Father.

You may be asking "so where is the Holy Ghost in all of this?" My response would be thus, The third member of the Godhead or Trinity as we term it as christiansChristiansuch a mystery in the fullest sense. We are not sure what He looks like. We only know of His work in our lives as Christians.
The Spirit of God participated in creation. He empowered Samson in OT times. He inspired and empowered Elijah and Elisha, and all the writers of original scriptures.
So our use of the word trinity is merely to paint a clearer picture of what God as a title constitutes. Its One God, but three persons who share the title.

olabowale:

@Bobbyaf: : First we are happy to know that Trinity is only an IDEA and not a clearly defined WORD, in the Bible. However, the Qur'an stated the word TRINITY, very clearly and states that it is a lie.

However, the Qur'an stated the word TRINITY, very clearly and states that it is a lie. The Qur'an states that people should desist from the word or the concept behind the word!

And from the verses in Daniel that you quoted above, it is very unclear and therefore difficult to know who is the Him who 'all peoples, nations, and languages is to serve?'

From the verse we see that whoever that Him is, is the only Him from the two Him(s) that should be served. So here is your problem, Bobbyaf, which is the Him to be served God, who the other Him was brought before or Jesus (One like the son of man) who is the Him that was brought before the Him, which is God? Get yourself out of this shalanga. I want to see how you will do it. I will be watching, okay! I am ready to throw you back into it, again and again!

If your brand Jesus is god, he did not have the quality of God. He was not able to stand firm and die like a believer! Yet God is the Lord of the believers. There is no believer that will be crying in the face of death! Your god could not even stand firm and take it like an ordinary believer, yet he created death for the means of bringing creation to the stage of judgment day.

olabowale:

@Bobbyaf: Wake up from the comatose condition you put your Soul! You lie through the teeth to create your brand of Jesus. That is a fake Jesus and you know it. And that Jesus is different and apart from Muslim's Jesus. Muslims Jesus was a noble prophet, who respected his mother, and defended her. That was his first miracle, while still in the cradle. Muslim Jesus preached only One God and not the multiple personality god that you are carrying all over the places.

You see I can talk to you straight. But do not give me that meek personality that you are displaying here. I am neither a Jew nor Roman, in belief or in ethnicity. I am a Yoruba Muslim. And I know better! Muhammad, by the Qur'an that was revealed on him and his Sunnah and Hadith that he explained the verses by, is enough for me to follow and his instructions are just what I need for my cradle to grave guidance.

olabowale:

You lie through the teeth to create your brand of Jesus. That is a fake Jesus and you know it. And that Jesus is different and apart from Muslim's Jesus. Muslims Jesus was a noble prophet, who respected his mother, and defended her.

. . . And I know better! Muhammad, by the Qur'an that was revealed on him and his Sunnah and Hadith that he explained the verses by, is enough for me to follow and his instructions are just what I need for my cradle to grave guidance.

olabowale:

The Islamic answer to your father god, is There is Only One God. That God has no Beginning, no Ending,

olabowale:

He was not begotten and He beget none and nothing is similar to Him!

olabowale:

To your son god, is Jesus, a mere human prophet/messenger to the Children of Israel.

olabowale:

And your holy ghost god, is Angel Gabriel (Ruuh, Ruuh Qudus, Malaika Jibril, etc), a mere tool of God, just like every Angel. And just like everything else, in creation.

@ olabowale
Keep talking. Keep dreaming. I have no time to waste debating the obvious

Babs and me worship the same Lord while

Wake up old man.

Only Babs know the Lord he is serving.

kalokalo:

Since both christian and islamic scriptures agree that we are made in God's image,