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Re: Obedience Is Better Than Sacrifice by Nobody: 7:27pm On Aug 31, 2012
thehomer:

Why don't you Christians read your Bibles? Check Exodus 31:15.

No wonder research shows that generally, atheists know more about religions than religious people.

You may know religion more than us ,but you will never know our God and saviour Jesus Christ more than us. One is mental and the other is from the heart.
Re: Obedience Is Better Than Sacrifice by thehomer: 7:31pm On Aug 31, 2012
frosbel:

You may know religion more than us ,but you will never know our God and saviour Jesus Christ more than us. One is mental and the other is from the heart.


What makes you think you know God or Jesus Christ? The Bible? Or the emotions you feel when you've excited yourself in church?

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Re: Obedience Is Better Than Sacrifice by Nobody: 7:36pm On Aug 31, 2012
thehomer:


What makes you think you know God or Jesus Christ? The Bible? Or the emotions you feel when you've excited yourself in church?

excited ? grin

Has nothing to do with emotional or tingly feelings, it is a factual experience in my heart that affirms that Jesus Christ is indeed Lord and Lords and King of Kings, there is none like unto him.
Re: Obedience Is Better Than Sacrifice by thehomer: 8:00pm On Aug 31, 2012
frosbel:

excited ? grin

Has nothing to do with emotional or tingly feelings, it is a factual experience in my heart that affirms that Jesus Christ is indeed Lord and Lords and King of Kings, there is none like unto him.


Your heart doesn't factually experience anything because it isn't a sense organ. You're using heart in a colloquial sense which implies that you're actually talking about emotions.
Re: Obedience Is Better Than Sacrifice by Nobody: 8:13pm On Aug 31, 2012
thehomer:

Your heart doesn't factually experience anything because it isn't a sense organ. You're using heart in a colloquial sense which implies that you're actually talking about emotions.

spiritually if I may add !
Re: Obedience Is Better Than Sacrifice by thehomer: 8:17pm On Aug 31, 2012
frosbel:

spiritually if I may add !

What do you mean by spiritually here?
Re: Obedience Is Better Than Sacrifice by Nobody: 8:19pm On Aug 31, 2012
thehomer:

What do you mean by spiritually here?

Pal , I am not going to entertain you with an argument that I know will lead to nowhere .

Peace !
Re: Obedience Is Better Than Sacrifice by thehomer: 8:38pm On Aug 31, 2012
frosbel:

Pal , I am not going to entertain you with an argument that I know will lead to nowhere .

Peace !

And with that, you've decided to disobey the Bible or the word of God that you've been touting for a while now. In the New testament, you're supposed to defend your faith.

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Re: Obedience Is Better Than Sacrifice by truthislight: 8:58pm On Aug 31, 2012
Adeniyi A.:

u ar right.
avoiding worldly njoyment e.g fornication,drinking etc is a sacrificial obedience to divine injunctions by denying d urges for them.
meanwhile,som ppl never appreciate wat they never sweat for or never cost them smtin. so some (by choice) had to disobey n make sacrifices inorder to appreciate d importance of being obedient - such ppl learn d hard way

is drinking a sin or it is drunkeness/getting drunk/over drinking that is a sin?
Re: Obedience Is Better Than Sacrifice by sbm4real(m): 10:08pm On Aug 31, 2012
@frosbel, you have done well and may God bless you.
Re: Obedience Is Better Than Sacrifice by Patsey: 11:50pm On Aug 31, 2012
frosbel:

You may know religion more than us ,but you will never know our God and saviour Jesus Christ more than us. One is mental and the other is from the heart.

You're right because God/Christ only exists in your imagination/mind/heart. Intellectually speaking, religious beliefs eternally remain unverifiable propositions. Stop deluding yourself, Mr God Delusion!
Re: Obedience Is Better Than Sacrifice by davidif: 3:54am On Sep 01, 2012
@OP,
Thank you o sir, i really needed that. Believers round the world really need to watch this video. Its very urgent.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2YUaeyditU
Re: Obedience Is Better Than Sacrifice by Kobojunkie: 3:24am On Jan 18, 2023
thehomer:
Obedience towards who? The prophet, the Bible, your conscience, your parents, God's voice in your head? Who exactly?
Obedience of the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant, and Law in the Kingdom of God. Jesus Christ gave His followers about 100 total teachings and commandments that they ought to obey in order to become and remain His followers- John 14 vs 15 - 20 & John 15 vs 7 - 11 - and friends- John 15 vs 14. And only those who do as He asks — stand faithful until the end — will be saved - Matthew 24 vs 12-13 & Mark 13 vs 13 undecided
Re: Obedience Is Better Than Sacrifice by Kobojunkie: 3:26am On Jan 18, 2023
thehomer:
So when you say God, you really mean the Bible? If so, how should I treat the man I saw working on the Sabbath?
Jesus Christ never gave to you or anyone authority to monitor the ways of another man, to begin with. He called you to work on your own salvation — focus on continuously obeying His teachings and His commandments. He, Jesus Christ, is the Master and head over each and everyone who belongs to Him; you, He has given no authority to sit in His place over those who are of the Kingdom of God. undecided
Re: Obedience Is Better Than Sacrifice by Kobojunkie: 3:28am On Jan 18, 2023
thehomer:
The Bible says kill him. So who do we obey? God through the Bible or frosbel?
I am afraid you are mistaken. If you are referring to that written instead in the Law of Moses, the National Constitution of the State of Israel in the Land of Canaan, given by God to those who are of the blood of Jacob, then your error is in thinking that Constitution binds those who belong to Jesus Christ. undecided
Re: Obedience Is Better Than Sacrifice by Kobojunkie: 3:52am On Jan 18, 2023
mkmyers45:
How then do we observe Sabbath?
In the Kingdom of God, unlike that depicted in the Old Law of Moses, every day is a day of rest — a day where you are not to work for food that perishes but instead for food that endures to eternity according to John 6 vs 25 - 35. Basically, you are meant to spend your days doing the work that Jesus Christ has commanded, and you do that by living your life in continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, God's Law in the Kingdom of God. undecided
Re: Obedience Is Better Than Sacrifice by Kobojunkie: 3:58am On Jan 18, 2023
peziz:
■D does not imply that jesus is d sabbath; it said lord of the sabbath. Is there a verse in d bible to forsake d teaching of d OT?
■ Y do we xtians believe in living out the NT when questions like d type one of d posters asked u? I don't get it. is sabbath not a day d same bible said God rested and blessed after creation?
■ When did jesus become sabbath? D passage you quote
1. You don't need a verse to tell you that since God made it abundantly clear in His Old Law of Moses, the National Constitution of the State of Israel in the Land of Canaan, which He gave only to those who are of the blood of Jacob, that the Law covers only those who are of the blood of Jacob and or reside in the borders/territories ruled by the people of Israel. undecided

2. The reason for that is simply because Jesus Christ, God's New agreement and Law in the Kingdom of God is a different and separate covenant from the Old Law of Moses which only applies to those who do not believe in Jesus Christ and or reside within the borders of the Land of Canaan — the jurisdiction of the Old Law of Moses. The Jurisdiction of the New Covenant, Jesus Christ, is the Kingdom of God, and as Jesus Christ warned His followers, you cannot have one foot in the Old Law and the other in the New Law — He warned that chaos is what results from such a practice. undecided

3. Technically, Jesus Christ did inform you in Matthew 11 vs 28 - 30 that He came to give rest to all those who are weary and heavy-laden and in need of the rest which He offers. That offer is not meant for all but for a specific few — those who qualify for what He has to give. undecided
Re: Obedience Is Better Than Sacrifice by Kobojunkie: 4:01am On Jan 18, 2023
mkmyers45:
To an extent isn't being obedient a sacrifice?
No necessarily! Being obedient applies to abiding by the Constitution in the Kingdom of God. undecided
Re: Obedience Is Better Than Sacrifice by Kobojunkie: 4:03am On Jan 18, 2023
deols:
■Igboran san ju ebo ruru lo. but don't all of those sacrifices end up being an obedience to a command?
■well, I'd say shahada(attesting to the oneness of God and belief in his messenger) is d most important thing to do. Other acts of worship follow.
1. This is the wrong conclusion! Not all your sacrifices are commanded by God meaning all your sacrifices don't end up in obedience to God's commandment. undecided

2. Again, this is wrong! God didn't call you in Jesus Christ to the affirming of the oneness of God so when you do that which is not commanded, you cannot be said to be doing it in obedience to God in any way or form. undecided
Re: Obedience Is Better Than Sacrifice by Kobojunkie: 4:04am On Jan 18, 2023
The rules have changed man.
Jesus Christ told you, this 2000 years ago, that His Word, and Law, are everlasting, meaning they cannot change. undecided
Re: Obedience Is Better Than Sacrifice by Kobojunkie: 4:21am On Jan 18, 2023
thehomer:
■If he knew people were weak, then why institute those laws in the first place? Isn't this simply deliberately setting things up so that we fail?
■This is not possible. The Sabbath is a day while Jesus is supposed to be a person. A person cannot also be a day.
■Are you saying that we're to ignore the laws in the old testament? I ask because Jesus himself doesn't say this.
1. If you read carefully through the first five books of the Bible, you would come to understand that God's concern was never really whether the people would obey Him or not. He already knew they would but He went ahead and conscripted - Deuteronomy 9 vs 1 - 6 - them anyways for His plan to make gods of men. And when I say conscripted, I mean God choose Israel for Himself without Isreal — the people —really having a say in it all. undecided

2. Jesus Christ is in fact the embodiment of God's Covenant and Law in the Kingdom of God, and this Law states that all those who are bound by it are required to no longer work for food that perishes —every day is a day of rest. He is the Lord of the Sabbath means He is the one to give rest to all those who are weary and heavy-laden, and the rest He gives is eternal—every day forever. undecided

3. Again, the Old Law of Moses is the National Constitution of the State of Israel in the Land of Canaan and this Law was handed by God over to those who have the blood of Jacob in their veins in that Land. So, it is nonsensical for anyone who does not currently reside in that land to claim he/she lives by the Constitution of that Nation. Moreover, Jesus Christ made it abundantly clear in His Law(Gospel) that one is not to mix Old wine and New wine together, with a warning of disastrous consequences for those who do. So it is equally absurd for one who abides by Jesus Christ, God's New wine, — a Constitution meant for a Kingdom in this world — to claim he also holds on to the Old Wine — the Old Law of Moses. undecided
Re: Obedience Is Better Than Sacrifice by Kobojunkie: 4:25am On Jan 18, 2023
thehomer:
■No, Sabbath is a day of rest. See here.
■ Laws like keeping the Sabbath day holy, not taking the lord's name in vain, kill witches, kill homosexuals, kill children for changing their religion etc.
■ According to Jesus, who is your neighbour? I ask because I don't see people giving all their possessions to the poor to follow Jesus' teachings.
1. Yes, and Jesus Christ is God's Law that gives rest every day of the week. undecided

2. All those Laws belong in the National Constitution of the State of Israel in the Land of Canaan, the Old Law of Moses. undecided

3. That you don't see people doing what Jesus Christ commands, does not mean Jesus Christ is obsolete. It simply means you do not see people doing as Jesus Christ commands. Contrary to what we are made to think as a result of our temporary lives in this world, God is patient and can wait millions of years to gather to Himself as many as He wants for His plan to be realized. undecided
Re: Obedience Is Better Than Sacrifice by Kobojunkie: 4:29am On Jan 18, 2023
AdeniyiA:
■u ar right.
avoiding worldly njoyment e.g fornication,drinking etc is a sacrificial obedience to divine injunctions by denying d urges for them.
meanwhile,som ppl never appreciate wat they never sweat for or never cost them smtin. so some (by choice) had to disobey n make sacrifices inorder to appreciate d importance of being obedient - such ppl learn d hard way
1. No, the other poster is not right at all. You can only honor God when you obey that which He in fact commands of you. For instance, Jesus Christ never commanded His followers not to drink for — He, Jesus Christ, was recorded by some as a boozer — and so by choosing not to drink, you do not honor God who never in fact told you that you can't drink. That sacrifice is in vain, and even worse, if you go around claiming your sacrifice honors God, you sin against God by your utterance since in proclaiming that lie you attempt to add your own rules to God's Law against His Will. undecided

So, no, your sacrifices don't amount to the obedience of God. Instead, it is only by obeying that which God Himself has commanded that you can honor Him. undecided
Re: Obedience Is Better Than Sacrifice by Kobojunkie: 4:31am On Jan 18, 2023
thehomer:
■Why don't you Christians read your Bibles? Check Exodus 31:15.

No wonder research shows that generally, atheists know more about religions than religious people.
Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 tells you more importantly that the entire Law of Moses is set aside as the Constitution of the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan, an agreement made by God in the Land of Canaan which He promised to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in that Land. undecided
Re: Obedience Is Better Than Sacrifice by Kobojunkie: 4:32am On Jan 18, 2023
thehomer:
What makes you think you know God or Jesus Christ? The Bible? Or the emotions you feel when you've excited yourself in church?
At least, one should have knowledge of what He says particularly that written in the Gospels, to begin with, right? undecided
Re: Obedience Is Better Than Sacrifice by Kobojunkie: 4:34am On Jan 18, 2023
truthislight:
is drinking a sin or it is drunkeness/getting drunk/over drinking that is a sin?
Actually, none is sin — not according to Jesus Christ. Your pastors are instead the ones who pick verses here and there to formulate ideas of their own regarding what constitutes sin, abandoning God's warning which warns that no man add or change or remove from His Law. undecided
Re: Obedience Is Better Than Sacrifice by Kobojunkie: 9:46pm On Jan 18, 2023
sbm4real:
@frosbel, you have done well and may God bless you.
What became of this guy? undecided

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