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Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by TerryCarr(m): 9:09pm On Sep 09, 2012 |
Area_boy: First of all, Language evolves. And if you think anyone can keep a particular language for a long time then u're making a mistake. To make a child learn his language seems pointless when he is born and raised in a different culture. Taking them home doesn't make much sense either because they are only linked to their heritage by birth and nothing else. An American born/raised African is in fact an American and not Africani bet by 2050 Africans will mostly be speaking Indo-European languages as there first because Africans think there languages have "inferiority" European languages which is sad even south Africa is have that problem UNDER the 1996 constitution, all 11 of South Africa's official languages “must enjoy parity of esteem and be treated equitably”. In practice English, the mother tongue of just 8% of the people, increasingly dominates all the others. Its hegemony may even threaten the long-term survival of the country's African languages, spoken as the mother tongue of 80% of South Africans, despite the government's repeated promises to promote and protect indigenous languages and culture. |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by bigmaut: 9:10pm On Sep 09, 2012 |
shymexx:are saying our high school students cannot write a simple composition or a short story then a lot has gone wrong since i left high sch.many yrs ago. |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by norrisman: 9:14pm On Sep 09, 2012 |
Billyonaire: You call Nigeria hell hole, yet your relatives are marrying and residing in the hell hole. These "I wanna-gonna" toilet washers sef. They never stop to amuse us. No comfortable Nigerian lives abroad. I keep saying I love Owerri more than New York. It is a hell hole. My relatives that choose to live there are adults and are responsible for their own decisions. Everytime you tell these mofos you hate that shytehole, they come up with the line ''but many people are making money there''. Who dafuq told you I care about the dirty money you are making? I love washing toilets and I'd rather be washing toilets in London than washing toilets in Lagos. 3 Likes |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by Nobody: 9:16pm On Sep 09, 2012 |
pufectskin: Come on Billyonaire! Don't b like dat just cos u don't like his opinion. Comfortable Nigerians do live abroad. A very high % of black US doctors are Nigerians and Nigerians r considered a "model group" in d united states (google Nigerians in America if u have time). As we have Nigerians in scam and toilet washing, we have a higher number in professional fields too...in fact many. After college in Florida, I got a pretty well payin job myself and only came to naija to get nysc out of d way, and I did find business opportunities which I am exploring in naija. But my plan is to go back to US. I agree dere is money in naija as there r lots of problems here (and problems = business opprotunity), but there are many ppl who would take comfort over millions (wats d point of having 300million naira in ur acct but the roads u drive ur range rover r bumpy and u have to deal with noisy generator sounds and bunch of other issues). In d US, d same quality of life would cost u less financially, and ur kids would also have a better chance at life.Now that you have come with a peace offering, I will stem down and be rational about this. I do not tolerate any Nigerian staying abroad insulting our commonwealth, our inheritance, our home. I havent seen chinese in USA insulting their roots. Warn that never-do-well Norris to stop insulting Nigeria and Nigerians, if he does that again, he will get the evil part of me. 3 Likes |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by Nobody: 9:19pm On Sep 09, 2012 |
norrisman:You are even in London and not USA. Its a big shame. Make sure you rent fake accents when you are coming for the wedding. Its why people like you fall victims to felons cos you show off your rented accent. 3 Likes |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by bigmaut: 9:28pm On Sep 09, 2012 |
pufectskin: Let's stop kidding ourselves; nigerian culture is over hyped! We diasporans like to think we morally better off or our culture is sooo much better dan dat of Americans. If we have such a great culture, why isn't it reflected in our society? Why is Nigeria sooo corrupt? Why do we leave 80% of our society in abject poverty? Why are our leaders; even just regular citizens sooo corrupt? I just got back to Nigeria barely less than a year and been scammed/duped by my best childhood friend (she doesn't pick my calls or returns my BB msgs anymore cos she is ashamed; dis is a girl from a notable family for dat matter). I am sorry to say if u r a diasporan, u really need to come home to see dat we really hv no values in this society anymore. Girls use their bodies to get high marks in unis, even d married girls r on parole, ppl marry for d wrong reasons, d private schools cost as much as american schools but d standard is about 60% close to wat u get in d US, d kids only respect ppl with a lil money, actually every1 here respect only ppl with a lil change; bottomline is I don't know what Nigerian values r... You hav said it all we hav no good cultural value anymore,naija is a dog eat dog society,no body is his brother's keeper,we are just pretenders that condole & glorify what is bad,mundane,are we not still d same culture-minded folks that sold our neighbours,brothers into slavery 200 yrs ago? And still practice ritual killings,parents selling their babies?go to d east 4 xmas with flashy car & see if yur village folks will not plot & kidnap you 4 ransom or even ritual. |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by norrisman: 9:31pm On Sep 09, 2012 |
Billyonaire: You are even in London and not USA. Its a big shame. Make sure you rent fake accents when you are coming for the wedding. Its why people like you fall victims to felons cos you show off your rented accent. So if I speak with my akpako accent, I'll be safe. How do you know these things? Are you a reformed or current armed robber? So should I leave my children behind seeing that they speak with a 'fake' accent? Imagine not being able to go to the country they want you to be proud of just beacuse you do not speak the local lingo. #majorshytehole 2 Likes |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by chuquiz(m): 9:33pm On Sep 09, 2012 |
odumchi: Based on my own personal observations, I've noticed a few things that continue to plague we Africans in the West and especially in America. rubbish write up with little or no meaning. Pure gibberish because you are talking garbage that doesnt make sense. |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by Nobody: 9:45pm On Sep 09, 2012 |
norrisman:Stay where you are safe. And tell your kids you are from Ireland and your mum was from St Lucia, they will believe you.Next time you wanna visit a website, it should not be nairaland, cos a young "hell-hole" inhabitant developed it. I bet you, if you are worth your salt, you wont be visiting a website where hell-hole occupants are. Murrafvcker! 3 Likes |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by Coldfeet(f): 10:29pm On Sep 09, 2012 |
[quote author=ezotik] lol...so u are a child? good. and there is no need to lie about going home regularly. and aren't there more community based programs in america than in nigeria? and to crown it all, they also have a welfare system which i guess ur family survives on ezotik I guess you know this because your family and his have this in common? |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by ezotik: 10:50pm On Sep 09, 2012 |
Coldfeet: ezotik I guess you know this because your family and his have this in common? no. |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by hbrednic: 10:51pm On Sep 09, 2012 |
Billyonaire: Stay where you are safe. And tell your kids you are from Ireland and your mum was from St Lucia, they will believe you.Next time you wanna visit a website, it should not be nairaland, cos a young "hell-hole" inhabitant developed it. I bet you, if you are worth your salt, you wont be visiting a website where hell-hole occupants are. Murrafvcker! Guy, why are you waisting your precious time trying to educate a self-aclaimed retard. Allow him/her to keep on parading in his folly jacket. 2 Likes |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by odumchi: 11:37pm On Sep 09, 2012 |
ezotik: I just want to make it clear to you that, despite your personal convictions, I am no child. A hundred and fifty years ago, I would've been old enough to establish my own family; however, I digress. If you don't believe that we return home regularly, then that is your own business. It's funny how you (the supposed adult) is displaying the lowest level of maturity by attempting to insult my family and I as if you have something to gain. Like they say, age is but a number; you've shown me that age is no guarantee of an increase in maturity. Anyway, the reason why we human beings have older relatives is so that they can pass along their life lessons to us. Someone who has no older relatives to learn from will blunder more in life than the person that learns from his/her elders. It is through this lineal passing of knowledge that progression occurs. As for the Igbo, most of those that live in cities that aren't their hometown aren't permanent residents. The Igbo (and other peoples) driven from their localities in search of employment. After staying in a city for a specific amount of time, they eventually return to their native lands. That is the same case with many other Nigerians abroad. |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by MrsChima1(f): 11:52pm On Sep 09, 2012 |
norrisman: Have you seen a documentary....EXPLORING EUROPE...it is a documentary about Africans leaving their home to search for better opportunities only to see that they face the same issues as native Blacks in the country. The African guy cleans toilets and worked his way to his business in London. |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by ezotik: 12:16am On Sep 10, 2012 |
odumchi: lol..odumchi, u are not a child but not an adult, so what are u? an adolescent? and whats with the hypersensitivity to my post? obviously, u lack a sense of humour, do. so what is ur gripe exactly? u feel isolated in a foreign land, but instead of u to try and integrate and make urself feel at home in ur host country, u come here to rant with all sorts of generalizations that they lack what u supposedly have in ur home country? while in reality it is the other way round? oh, i know it can be lonely abroad...especially when u are in a faraway country without ur kin and kith. but when u are feeling too lonely... like i earlier, instead of ranting on the internet, save towards a plane ticket and go home for some fresh air, so that u can have a balanced perspective. As for the Igbo, most of those that live in cities that aren't their hometown aren't permanent residents. The Igbo (and other peoples) driven from their localities in search of employment. After staying in a city for a specific amount of time, they eventually return to their native lands. That is the same case with many other Nigerians abroad. u do not know ur people then. there are igbos in lagos who do not know the road to the east not to mention other igbos who are permanently settled across nigeria cities outside the east. and only time they finally go back home is in caskets!! |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by dayokanu(m): 3:52am On Sep 10, 2012 |
I thought Odumchi was an elderly person cos he posts more in culture section |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by Nobody: 3:56am On Sep 10, 2012 |
dayokanu: I thought Odumchi was an elderly person cos he posts more in culture section That's one grown azz man wanting to be young again. Like EzeUche's 40 yrs old sef claiming to be 22. |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by dayokanu(m): 4:05am On Sep 10, 2012 |
Ileke-IdI: Just like you at 22 claiming to be 50 |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by Nobody: 4:14am On Sep 10, 2012 |
dayokanu: Wrong person? |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by achi4u(m): 4:18am On Sep 10, 2012 |
The truth of the matter is that "things had really fallen apart" in nigeria and Africa in general. These days nobody want to be seeing as 'village guy' or 'village man',if not,why are we still copying from the west by answering their names,immitating their accent while speaking english so that u sound like 'white man'? The white man religion impose to African is like a death roll hanging on our neck,so Africans will keep losing their cultures and identities to the west. To those on far away countries... "you can't eat ur cake and have it" |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by Nobody: 4:23am On Sep 10, 2012 |
Crayola1 again. . . I must be unconsciously stashing apku in my posts. |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by odumchi: 5:15am On Sep 10, 2012 |
ezotik: I think you might have fallen victim to the dangers of living in the diaspora like I described above. I don't see why else you'd be insinuating that I am among the ranks of those who have lost touch with home. Maybe to you America (or whatever part of the Western world that you live in) is your newfound home where you have found all of the things that you lacked in Nigeria, but for me it isn't so. In fact, I find the West lacking in many ways. There's no place like home. ezotik: But for some reason strange they flock back to the East in times of uncertainty (Biafran war, June 12, Boko Haram), right? |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by odumchi: 5:19am On Sep 10, 2012 |
dayokanu: I thought Odumchi was an elderly person cos he posts more in culture section Lol no I'm not. I'm only 16. I post mainly in the culture section because that's the section of Nairaland that interests me the most. Besides, I don't see how posting in the culture section makes one elderly, lol. Ileke-IdI: I don't see anything that's unbelievable about it. If you don't believe it then that's your pot of soup. achi4u: The truth of the matter is that "things had really fallen apart" in nigeria and Africa in general. You've said it all, my brother. As they say in Afikpo: eziokwu bu i la ekwu. |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by Nobody: 5:20am On Sep 10, 2012 |
I was joking. . . . |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by ezotik: 5:46am On Sep 10, 2012 |
odumchi, who said u have lost touch with home? i said u were missing home, remember? but ur argument here is absurd and u are yet to prove how nigeria has more 'community sense' than the US. because u feel isolated does not mean they lack a community sense. "But for some reason strange they flock back to the East in times of uncertainty (Biafran war, June 12, Boko Haram), right?" huh? during a time of crisis, people are forced to go home...not that they leave voluntarily. and since biafran war has ended, they flocked back. anyway this ur topic is kinda stale..so na later. |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by davidif: 8:24am On Sep 10, 2012 |
pufectskin: Let's stop kidding ourselves; nigerian culture is over hyped! We diasporans like to think we morally better off or our culture is sooo much better dan dat of Americans. If we have such a great culture, why isn't it reflected in our society? Why is Nigeria sooo corrupt? Why do we leave 80% of our society in abject poverty? Why are our leaders; even just regular citizens sooo corrupt? I just got back to Nigeria barely less than a year and been scammed/duped by my best childhood friend (she doesn't pick my calls or returns my BB msgs anymore cos she is ashamed; dis is a girl from a notable family for dat matter). I am sorry to say if u r a diasporan, u really need to come home to see dat we really hv no values in this society anymore. Girls use their bodies to get high marks in unis, even d married girls r on parole, ppl marry for d wrong reasons, d private schools cost as much as american schools but d standard is about 60% close to wat u get in d US, d kids only respect ppl with a lil money, actually every1 here respect only ppl with a lil change; bottomline is I don't know what Nigerian values r... EXCELLENT!!!!! NOTHING MORE NEEDS TO BE SAID. |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by Princek12(m): 9:46am On Sep 10, 2012 |
The bottom line is that there positive aspects of both cultures--whether American or Nigerian--that we can teach our kids. A responsible parent would teach those positive aspects to his kids. Most importantly, though, our native tongue and all the other positive aspects of Nigerian culture and the culture of their country should be taught to our kids, so that they can easily interact with their heritage and the environment in which they live. Like Hispanic kids born in America, most of whom are bilingual, our Kids can be taught to be bilingual as long as their parents speak their native tongue to them at home. Inferiority complex and what I call village mentality, of course, always make many Nigerian parents to take affirmative steps to refrain from teaching their kids their native language. |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by achi4u(m): 10:03am On Sep 10, 2012 |
Princek12: The bottom line is that there positive aspects of both cultures--whether American or Nigerian--that we can teach our kids. A responsible parent would teach those positive aspects to his kids. Most importantly, though, our native tongue and all the other positive aspects of Nigerian culture and the culture of their country should be taught to our kids, so that they can easily interact with their heritage and the environment in which they live. Like Hispanic kids born in America, most of whom are bilingual, our Kids can be taught to be bilingual as long as their parents speak their native tongue to them at home.Thank you very much, Imagine alot of illitrate parents teaching their kids english language while still living in their locality,what your indirectly telling your children is that your native language is inferior to that of foriegn language. |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by 2sexy(m): 4:03pm On Sep 10, 2012 |
MacDaddy01: Nice thread but we should be focusing on making Nigeria a better place rather than making plans to live in the West.How can you do that without the help of the Government? Do you think Nigerians with stellar performances in the respective fields wouldn't want to come and contribute to their own country? The answer is staring you in the eyes I suppose. A man like Philip Emeagwali alone, with the help of the government, will transform the technological sphere in Nigeria... Make we forget other underground 'BRAINS' I BEG THROW WAY THAT YA TALK FOR DUSTBIN. |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by erico2k2(m): 9:38pm On Sep 10, 2012 |
Billyonaire: Now that you have come with a peace offering, I will stem down and be rational about this. I do not tolerate any Nigerian staying abroad insulting our commonwealth, our inheritance, our home. I havent seen chinese in USA insulting their roots. Warn that never-do-well Norris to stop insulting Nigeria and Nigerians, if he does that again, he will get the evil part of me.But Im sure there is a great difference in Identifying the Ills in a society and insulting it, to be honest with you, most Nigerians living abroad would rather live in Nigeria if we had power, good roads and better security. |
Re: The Social And Cultural Implications Of Living In The West by erico2k2(m): 9:43pm On Sep 10, 2012 |
Billyonaire: You are even in London and not USA. Its a big shame. Make sure you rent fake accents when you are coming for the wedding. Its why people like you fall victims to felons cos you show off your rented accent.Hmm, its funny the kind of senses that come here, lol whats the difference London or USA? the west is the west full stop |
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