chukwudi44:

You do not know but just that the holy spirit inspired it.How hilarious!!

Please I have my bible here kindly show me where I can find No 3's answer in it

chukwudi44: @Reginus

You don't even know the church had factions in early xtianity? I would advise you to quietly go back and study and stop disgracing yourself here.Go and read up about the history of the church and study the writings of the church fathers before comming here to post

striktlymi: 2 Timothy 3:16
Good News Translation (GNT)

16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching the truth, rebuking error, correcting faults, and giving instruction for right living,

Reyginus: Wayo!! Let me follow your line. And where is the evidence?

chukwudi44: @Reginus

Since you know this much why do you people question the books of tobit,sirach and other books not included in the jewish canon.

chukwudi44:

You need evidence shee? You will find more than you bargained for.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentinianism

chukwudi44: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcionism

Reyginus: Perhaps, I'm not aware of that. You know what I know, as catholic, the church is to embrace every christain under an umbrella. In the real sense of the word, nothing can trully be particularized and yet have the sentiment for general at the same time. That it is both Roman and Catholic is even a contradiction.

chukwudi44: @Reginus

You don't even know the church had factions in early xtianity? I would advise you to quietly go back and study and stop disgracing yourself here.Go and read up about the history of the church and study the writings of the church fathers before comming here to post

chukwudi44: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaism

chukwudi44: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism

chukwudi44: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donatism

chukwudi44: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism

Do you need more?

Ubenedictus: your analogy doesnt work me dear unless you have a way of proving that martin luther and co were among the church fathers that compiled the bible.

Reyginus: Are you serious?
You are begining to assume the non-existence of a thing like family line. Seems we have to hold participation in high esteem now. Let me queue in this lane of yours for this moment. I can also say in the same light, the roman catholic church never pertook in compiling the bible, since neither the pope nor any of the present church crop of fathers were present when the bible was compiled. How does it sound now?

chukwudi44:

Oh my God what kind of reasoning is this? Which of the generation of church fathers did martin luther descend from?which of the church fathers who compiled the bible held the same kind of beleifs martin luther did? How do you reason my friend?


I would not believe in the Gospel myself if the authority of the Catholic Church did not influence me to do so" - St. Augustine (Against the letter of Mani, 5,6, 397 A.D. )

chukwudi44:

Olodo if you knew a bit about church history you would have known that the marcionists,valentinians,donatists,arians e.t.c who were like the protestants of the early church were not in the catholic church.

Better google online "against heresies" by st Ireneaus written in 185 CE.

Reyginus: In addition, 2 Peter 1:21

striktlymi: [size=15pt]Questions from an observer:

1) Who determines which sect is Christian in those times?

2) How do the faithful know which to follow considering that the 'direct apostles' were probably dead?[/size]

chukwudi44: @Reginus

Wow!! How wonderful !! Let me quickly rush to get a copy of the gospels of mary,judas e.t.c I will even add the gospels of marcion and the enitre gnostic scriptures.since all scriptures are inspired by God.

Since you know this much why do you people question the books of tobit,sirach.

chukwudi44:

You need evidence shee? You will find more than you bargained for.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentinianism

Reyginus: Let me try.
1. Nobody but the bible, the NT, determines what is christain.
2. The direct apostles laid a foundation, their teachings. This serve as the manual for those who are really after the truth.

Reyginus: This also is not christainity. Read a post from the site and tell me if this is what christains hold.
From wikipedia
Marcionism, similar to Gnosticism, depicted the Hebrew God of the Old Testament as a tyrant or demiurge (see also God as the Devil).

truthislight:


those ^ ant the apostles of christ writings.


we are talking about writings/epistle of the apostles and you presenting fairy tales.

Are the writers of those books the apostles of christ?

The writings of the NT are exclusive to the apostles of christ thereof, and they all died off in the 1st century ce.

What was done was to bring together the writings of this apostles = NT. QED.

See those that have the word of God:

(1 Thessalonians 2:13).
"For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe." (1 Thessalonians 2:13).
.................

So, guy, see this below, it is this that has the word of God that was compiled and
item 10 in this post below shows how paul directed that congregation or early churches should exchange letters.

See:
peter:
1. "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness." (2 Peter 3:16-17).
(note: his epistle)

Paul:
2. "The salutation of Paul with mine own hand, which is the token in every epistle: so I write." (2 Thessalonians 3:17).

(note: every epistle)

3. "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle." (2 Thessalonians 2:15).
(note: our epistle)

4. "And Tychicus have I sent to Ephesus. The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments." (2 Timothy 4:12-13).

5. "Therefore I write these things being absent, lest being present I should use sharpness, according to the power which the Lord hath given me to edification, and not to destruction." (2 Corinthians 13:10).

6. "I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:" (1 Corinthians 5:9).
(note: his epistle)

7. "But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat." (1 Corinthians 5:11).
(note: I have written unto you)

8. "Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not." (Galatians 1:20).
( I write unto you,)

9. "How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)" (Ephesians 3:3-4).

(note: as I wrote afore in few words,)

Congregations to exchange letters :

1. "And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea." (Colossians 4:16).

My Conclussion:
I am really afraid for you that somehow christ may have died in vein in your own case because of your looking at the wrong direction.

This are letters that the apostles wrote,
You have cause many people to lose faith and turn to atheism.

Now, can you provide the writers of those other books so that we consider how they can stand a chance against the writings of christ apostles.

The NT = writings of christ apostles.

Reyginus: Let me try.
1. Nobody but the bible, the NT, determines what is christain.

Reyginus:
2. The direct apostles laid a foundation, their teachings. This serve as the manual for those who are really after the truth.

striktlymi: [size=15pt]Questions from an observer:

1) Who determines which sect is Christian in those times?

2) How do the faithful know which to follow considering that the 'direct apostles' were probably dead?[/size]

truthislight:

The writings of the APOSTLES were the only true guide.

Many faction with divers doctrine And philosophy of men that contradict the words of the apostles were the norms.

The most powerful sect with arms/power carries the day. Winner takes all not minding what the words of the apostles says then.

Today, the words and writings of the apostles are the best bet for all lovers of truth.