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Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by Nobody: 8:33pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
Deep Sight: 1. How long will such training take? 2. How much will such training cost? 3. How effective will such training be? |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by bola4dprec(m): 8:34pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
Deep Sight: Hello Everyone,subject to section 214 of 1999 constitution 2011 amended which stipulates that their will be no any other police except Nigeria Police Force let us remember days of native police for northern nigeria and local police for western nigeria all this police were used for political ambition I am of the view if their is anything wrong with NPF let try to correct it no need for going back to native, local or state police Nigeria is not mature and can't be compare to either U.S or U.K |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by Afam4eva(m): 8:35pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
HNosegbe:What will the culture of the terrain be? What's the culture of the Lagos terrain considering the fact that this place is a mini-Nigeria. |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by Nobody: 8:41pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
afam4eva: The point I was making is that there are peculiarities with regard to each state in Nigeria and the people who inhabit those states. As a result, those who should police them should be those who understand those peculiarities. |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by Jarus(m): 8:43pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
Judges can begin to send in their results. Thanks. |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by Demdem(m): 8:46pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
bola4dprec: subject to section 214 of 1999 constitution 2011 amended which stipulates that their will be no any other police except Nigeria Police Force let us remember days of native police for northern nigeria and local police for western nigeria all this police were used for political ambition I am of the view if their is anything wrong with NPF let try to correct it no need for going back to native, local or state police Nigeria is not mature and can't be compare to either U.S or U.K SO what do u think its wrong with NPF that has made them to be so ineffective? Both military and civilian govts have handled them and they are still the same. NPF leaders have been changed over the years, still the same story. Funds has been pumped in rigorously unlike before, still the same story. Their operational strategies changed over the years, still in-efficient. More hardware from both FG and states, more funds and allowances for men and officers even new police uniform etc still the same story. I strongly believe it has to do with the structure itself. Correcting a useless structure perpetually will take us no where. cant continue to do the same thing over the years and expect a different result. The structure of the current Police force needs to be dismantled. |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by Katsumoto: 8:47pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
The dialogue (debate) is now over. I want to thank the participants and judges for participating in this month's edition. The result will be declared soon. |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by Nobody: 8:47pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
I'm sorry but I will have to take my leave now, as the cyber cafe I have been typing from is about to close for the day. Hopefully I will havemore time in the coming days to properly expound on my view. I do hope, however, that I have been able to contribute my bit (no matter how little) to enrich our understanding of this crucial issue. Hopefully we can continue to put heads together in subsequent debates to move our nation to where it should be. Thank you for your understanding, and have a good night. |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by Demdem(m): 8:49pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
HNosegbe: I'm sorry but I will have to take my leave now, as the cyber cafe I have been typing from is about to close for the day. Hopefully I will havemore time in the coming days to properly expound on my view. Good Job. Good Night. |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by Katsumoto: 8:52pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
HNosegbe: I'm sorry but I will have to take my leave now, as the cyber cafe I have been typing from is about to close for the day. Hopefully I will havemore time in the coming days to properly expound on my view. Thanks and well done |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by Jarus(m): 8:53pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
E-Guerilla, Afam4eva and Sisikill Pls send in your scores. Obinoscopy and JAybee We received your scoring. Thanks for honouring us. |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by Jarus(m): 8:56pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
Thread temporarily locked while collation of results is ongoing. If there is need for any urgent comment, use the planning thread. Thanks. We shall be back with the results in the next few minutes. |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by Jarus(m): 9:01pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
Judge 1 Criteria Deep. HNO. Chedd. Jaaiz Presentation. 3. 2. 3. 2 Logic. 3. 2. 3. 3 Facts. 3. 3. 2. 2 Persuasiveness. 3. 3. 2. 3 Knowledge. 3. 3. 2. 3 TOTAL. 15. 13. 11. 13 |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by Jarus(m): 9:05pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
Judge 2 Criteria. Deep. HNO. Chedd. Jaaiz Presentation. 4. 4. 2. 2 Logic. 3. 3. 3. 2 Facts. 4. 3. 3. 2 Persuasiveness. 3. 3. 4. 3 Knowledge. 4. 4. 3. 3 TOTAL. 18. 17. 15. 13 |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by Jarus(m): 9:11pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
Judge 3 Criteria. Deep. HNO. Chedd. Jaaiz Presentation. 3. 3. 2. 2 Logic. 4. 4. 3. 3 Facts. 3. 2. 2. 2 Persuasiveness. 4. 3. 3. 4 Knowledge. 4. 3. 2. 3 TOTAL. 18. 15. 12. 14 |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by Jarus(m): 9:14pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
The 2 remining judges should send in their results pls. If we don't have it by 9:20, we would declare results based on the three we have. |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by Jarus(m): 9:25pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
Judge 4 Criteria. Deep. HNO. Chedd. Jaaiz Presentation. 3. 1.5 2. 2 Logic. 2. 3. 2. 3 Facts. 3. 2. 2. 2 Persuasiveness. 2. 4. 2. 2 Knowledge. 2. 3. 2. 2 TOTAL. 12. 13.5. 10. 11 |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by Jarus(m): 9:48pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
CONSOLIDATED RESULT Criteria. Deep. HNO. Chedd. Jaaiz Presentation. 13. 10.5 9. 8 Logic. 12. 12. 11. 11 Facts. 13. 10. 9. 8 Persuasiveness. 12. 13. 11. 12 Knowledge. 13. 13. 9. 11 TOTAL. 63. 58.5 49 50 WINNER BY CRITERIA Presentation - Deepsight Logic - Tie btw Deepsight and HNOsegbe Fact - Deepsight Persuasiveness - HNOsegbe Knowledge - Tie btw Deepsight and HNOsegbe WINNER BY JUDGES Deepsight - 3 HNOsegbe - 1 Cheddarking & Jaaiztech - Nil WINNER BY TEAM Team 'FOR' (HNOsegbe & Deepsight) WINNER WITHIN SIDE FOR - Deepsight AGAINST - Jaaiztech Revelation of the exercise - Nil Ladies and gentlemen, join me in congratulating DEEPSIGHT and TEAM FOR(Deepsight and HNosegbe) as they emerge individual and team winners respectively of this November edition of Nairaland Political Debate/Dialogue 2012. Good job by other contestants too. See you guys in December, God-willing. |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by Jarus(m): 9:52pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
Thread declared open for general Nairaland discussion. |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by Brisingr(m): 10:03pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
kudos to the debaters and all who made this thread sucessful. My question is, cases of police refusing to help occupants of a grey geographical area during robbery is on the rise with the police force of the partcipating states each pointing out that the people of this particular area aren't it responsible.won't a state police further widening this issue ? |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by bola4dprec(m): 10:07pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
Demdem:demdem indeed |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by Kilode1: 10:18pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
Great job, guys! Well done to all the debaters. DeepSight was just too much. It was no contest really. His question and point which i'm posting below is something to chew on. "We cannot have a State Judiciary and State Department of Public Prosecutions without a State enforecment Unit." That point summarizes the ridiculousity of our structure. A structure forced down the throat of 160million people by a visionless military-political class. It's a shame we are still trying to manage that vision in 2012 rather than radically overhauling it. Think about this next time you support a politician in Nigeria: 1. Can this person lead a radical change in this country? 2. Does he have antecedents to fight entrenched interests and policies? Your sincere answer should guide your choice. Well done DeepSight. 4 Likes |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by juman(m): 10:32pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
In present day nigeria, the governors would misuse state police. |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by ayobase(m): 10:40pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
bola4dprec: subject to section 214 of 1999 constitution 2011 amended which stipulates that their will be no any other police except Nigeria Police Force let us remember days of native police for northern nigeria and local police for western nigeria all this police were used for political ambition I am of the view if their is anything wrong with NPF let try to correct it no need for going back to native, local or state police Nigeria is not mature and can't be compare to either U.S or U.K This is JUST an educative and logical discussion. . Deep Sight, you make this place worthwhile to be with your analyses and responses.....thanks! . You went 'deep'! |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by Nobody: 11:01pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
State Police is an absolute necessity if issues of unsolved crimes are to be minimised. The Federal police should only be concerned with inter-state crime, crimes committed in airplanes and crimes committed by federal officials. The State/regional police should be structured in a way that guarantees it's independence from the State governor or other elected state public officials; the State judiciary should have oversight on such a police force. |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by bcomputer101: 11:04pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
This ȋ̝̊̅§ the picture of what state police will look like...
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Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by Nobody: 11:06pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
bcomputer101: This ȋ̝̊̅§ the picture of what state police will look like... Haha.. At least, the State Police Departments would have a more professional appearance. |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by papabaks(m): 1:58am On Nov 25, 2012 |
This is a job well done guys... Much respect to DeepSight, he's just too clear with his points. referring to His question and some of his points, i think most of our leaders need to give an affirmative answer to these statement: "We cannot have a State Judiciary and State Department of Public Prosecutions without a State enforcement Unit." Personally, I don’t think it is a good idea for now because I believe governors will use it as a tool or weapon to fight their political opponents. Speaking of stability, introducing state police will bring about more instability in the country. It's a NO from me. |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by 2mch(m): 2:06am On Nov 25, 2012 |
It is a yes for me. The current system is overbloated, non existent and inefficient. We don't even have a forensic system or a record of who is police and who is not. We do not have a coordinated system in which all police weapons are registered. What we have now is a corpse. People that are saying the police will be abused are giving excuses. The NASS can mandate the police to be an independent body. The life of every Nigerian which is taken with impunity by the police is more valueable than maintaining the current status quo. It is also too expensive right now for the country to run. |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by kunlekunle: 4:28am On Nov 25, 2012 |
papabaks: This is a job well done guys... if we clamour too much on this believe, we'll achieve nothing. The problem is the people, how morally and ethical are these people? Do they understand the due process of law? Do they understand the punishment meted on contravening the law? How independent are the police, judiciary and the citizens? How often do they interact? Is there any complaint office for the citizen? who checks the police? if we can clarify these facts i believe state policing can be achieved in. nigeria |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by Sagewood: 4:47am On Nov 25, 2012 |
Nigeria is NOT ready for the State Police system. Corruption, poverty and illiteracy are still at unacceptable levels. It will lead to excessive abuse of power, extra- judicial killings and be used as a political tool to further the agenda of the State Governor. It will certainly become the vigilante arm of the state government. The current federal police system is NOT perfect, but it will suffice for now. The greatest threat to an efficient and robust Nigeria police force is corruption, and lack of accountability at all levels. Just like every facet of the Nigerian life or government, corruption pervades the air. Don't expect the Nigeria police force (NPF) to improve soon, except every other aspect of government makes progress. The NPF does not exist in isolation, the whole country have to improve and develop together. |
Re: NL Political Dialogue Nov 2012: STATE POLICE - ARE WE READY FOR IT? by birdman(m): 6:59am On Nov 25, 2012 |
Sagewood: Nigeria is NOT ready for the State Police system. Corruption, poverty and illiteracy are still I like how the end-all-be-all answer is always "Nigeria is not ready". If this is the case, isnt it a good idea to revisit the terms of the country and see if we should restructure it fundamentally? It seems like the whole thing was built as an impediment to progressive ideas. I suspect those against state police know this is where the issue is really going. |
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