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Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:24pm On Nov 21, 2012
Walid Shoebat - Former (PLO) Terrorist explains the real motivations behind the Palestinian struggle.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjXifsACiHA

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/11/20/brazen-faking-images-reveals-hamas-desperation/
Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by Sweetnecta: 2:39pm On Nov 21, 2012
Olaadegbu, i am going to assume that you are a yoruba. i wonder how you like it when the people on nairaland defines the yorubas as a group under or afraid of the hausa/fulani, arewa and inferior to the igbo?

i personally hate it because i know it is not true since i am certain of many factors, even factors before nigerian independence. but my not responding to the youths that continue to propagate this idea does not mean it is correct.

now lets go back to walid shoebat. islam of Muhammad [sa] is existing before renaissance and others. if this islam was intended to kill all jews, the moment that Jerusalem was opened in the kalifat of Umar [ra], what would have stopped a victor from getting rid of the defeated? today, the country of Morocco has significant jewish population who even refused to accept israeli citizenship because they are better in Morocco.

Islam does not target anyone if at all based on tribe but if for any reason, it will be faith in God. not just because you disbelief, but raising enmity and intending destruction towards islam. every people will normally defend the existence of the society that is threatened by outsiders or even within its people. america had to attach afghanistan when she declared that she wanted osama bin laden and the taliban that ruled her was not obliging his release. if you remember a taliban who was visiting the usa as foreign officer was still in the usa when the war started.

further, america even went on a preemptive strike against iraq. in essence, every people wishes to protect its integrity.


now why do you think the palestinians should be different against the jews, people who do not call themselves children of prophet Israel, Jacob [as] anymore?

you may not have noticed that the greatest applause came in the video when Jesus and christianity were mentioned in ridiculous way.


i think you are a person who thinks very lowly of yourself and i will nt be surprise that you hate yorubas, nigerians, africans and indeed blacks over believing the cause of the jews, a people who hated your man god.

i know enough of jews to know that some of them will love individuals an even group. but them as a people, their ideology does not permit anyone to be better than them the reason they call you goyum/goyim/gentile. i wish you know how they assume that you are brainless or never use your brain and inferior. not because of religion, but because they say you are not a jew by race.


how a people fight their war to exist may actually be different from how their holy book[s] instruct[s] them to conduct warfare. in all my years, i have not seen where Islam says jews are apes and monkeys or descendants of. what Quran says is that a group was turned to apes and another to monkeys because those groups disobeyed the ruling of sabbath when they fished during that time that was prohibited to do so. it was a process that they employed consistently until God punished them as He did because of deception. jews were not the only people punished in the Quran; pharaoh and his people who were africans were. Quraishis were, even Abu Lahab the uncle of the Messenger [sa] was. disbelief as in disobedience is what leads to punishment.

i read an entry davidylan once where he said all is fair in war. that your christian brother. i do not quite agree with him because war is about curtaining evil and you can win only by clear and fairness. but dont make a prisoner with an open sky prison as in west bank that is not connected to gaza strip and think i will be happy. if anyone would slice yoruba into 2 and i have to go through them to get to the other side of my yoruba bloodline, i wil be very unhappy. this will be the way i will feel if some foreign power were to slice nigeria into 2 so that from part i must go through the foreign power to get to the other part.

i may not throw stone or shoot bullets, but i will never pray for their success. my prayers always will be for their eminent failure and utter defeat.
Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:02pm On Nov 21, 2012
Enough of all the Islamic propaganda called al-taqqiya and lets see how your "peaceful religion" is brainwashing and abusing their kids.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKMjKKfvstA
Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:01pm On Nov 21, 2012
Sweetnecta:

Olaadegbu, i am going to assume that you are a yoruba. i wonder how you like it when the people on nairaland defines the yorubas as a group under or afraid of the hausa/fulani, arewa and inferior to the igbo?

Anyone saying that is ignorant of the truth. The truth is that God created mankind equal and we are all equal in His eyes.
Sweetnecta:

i personally hate it because i know it is not true since i am certain of many factors, even factors before nigerian independence. but my not responding to the youths that continue to propagate this idea does not mean it is correct.

Man may want to delude himself into thinking that he is superior to his fellow but it is up to the individuals to know their position on earth and not to allow others to define who they are apart from what God says we are.

Sweetnecta:

now lets go back to walid shoebat. islam of Muhammad [sa] is existing before renaissance and others. if this islam was intended to kill all jews, the moment that Jerusalem was opened in the kalifat of Umar [ra], what would have stopped a victor from getting rid of the defeated? today, the country of Morocco has significant jewish population who even refused to accept israeli citizenship because they are better in Morocco.

Even if Islam intended to kill them off it would not have been possible. It has been like that since the beginning when the sin of the first man made the second man to kill the third man. The ungodly has always been envious of the godly and it will only come to an end when the Jews finally accept our Lord Jesus Christ as their Saviour and Lord.

Sweetnecta:

Islam does not target anyone if at all based on tribe but if for any reason, it will be faith in God. not just because you disbelief, but raising enmity and intending destruction towards islam. every people will normally defend the existence of the society that is threatened by outsiders or even within its people. america had to attach afghanistan when she declared that she wanted osama bin laden and the taliban that ruled her was not obliging his release. if you remember a taliban who was visiting the usa as foreign officer was still in the usa when the war started.

Are the blacks in Darfur not Muslims, why are they being attacked and taken as slaves by the Muslim arabs from the north? Do the northern Muslims in Nigeria see the Yoruba or Igbo Muslims as equals?
Sweetnecta:

further, america even went on a preemptive strike against iraq. in essence, every people wishes to protect its integrity.

The reason why Israel will retaliate against the arabs in Gaza who had been shelling missiles on them since January.

Sweetnecta:

now why do you think the palestinians should be different against the jews, people who do not call themselves children of prophet Israel, Jacob [as] anymore?

Don't pretend that the struggle of the palestinians are the struggle for freedom it is an agenda to push the Jews into the see otherwise they would have accepted the two state solution.

Sweetnecta:

you may not have noticed that the greatest applause came in the video when Jesus and christianity were mentioned in ridiculous way.

You may like to think so.

Sweetnecta:

i think you are a person who thinks very lowly of yourself and i will nt be surprise that you hate yorubas, nigerians, africans and indeed blacks over believing the cause of the jews, a people who hated your man god.

Islam is the one teaching people to hate and not the other way round.

Sweetnecta:

i know enough of jews to know that some of them will love individuals an even group. but them as a people, their ideology does not permit anyone to be better than them the reason they call you goyum/goyim/gentile. i wish you know how they assume that you are brainless or never use your brain and inferior. not because of religion, but because they say you are not a jew by race.

That is sinful mankind for you, and for this reason Jesus came to die for our sins that we may fulfil God's purpose for our lives. Anyone, including the Jew who hasn't given their lives to Jesus remains in darkness.

Sweetnecta:

how a people fight their war to exist may actually be different from how their holy book[s] instruct[s] them to conduct warfare. in all my years, i have not seen where Islam says jews are apes and monkeys or descendants of. what Quran says is that a group was turned to apes and another to monkeys because those groups disobeyed the ruling of sabbath when they fished during that time that was prohibited to do so. it was a process that they employed consistently until God punished them as He did because of deception. jews were not the only people punished in the Quran; pharaoh and his people who were africans were. Quraishis were, even Abu Lahab the uncle of the Messenger [sa] was. disbelief as in disobedience is what leads to punishment.

Why would Muslims not treat their fellow human beings like animals since Muhammad even said it in your Qu'ran, Surah 2:65; 5:59-60; 7:166 that Allah once turned some Jews into rats and monkeys?This is what you believe and it thus explains why you behave the way you behave to people created in the image of God. Now tell me who is deceived between you and the Jews?

Sweetnecta:

i read an entry davidylan once where he said all is fair in war. that your christian brother. i do not quite agree with him because war is about curtaining evil and you can win only by clear and fairness. but dont make a prisoner with an open sky prison as in west bank that is not connected to gaza strip and think i will be happy. if anyone would slice yoruba into 2 and i have to go through them to get to the other side of my yoruba bloodline, i wil be very unhappy. this will be the way i will feel if some foreign power were to slice nigeria into 2 so that from part i must go through the foreign power to get to the other part.

i may not throw stone or shoot bullets, but i will never pray for their success. my prayers always will be for their eminent failure and utter defeat.

If anyone is not fair it is the way the world press and the UN has been reporting the incident. They are making the aggressors appear as the victims.

Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:58pm On Nov 21, 2012
This is what Christians converted from Islam go through in northern Nigeria.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXuUu-6Oels&feature=share&list=UUFqeiZX8X9SCdHj7uaiWPFA

Published on 13 Nov 2012 by VoiceOfTheMartyrsUSA

Suleiman Abdulai is a Nigerian Christian who accepts the persecution Christ promised. His Muslim family urged him to deny Jesus' name and even tried to kill him before finally disowning him. But, as Jesus promised in Matthew 10, the Holy Spirit gave him the words to speak when needed. And when he was being sought by killers, the Lord protected him. Although faith in Christ cost Suleiman his family, worldly possessions and reputation, he gained everything by taking up Christ's cross.

In this video interview Suleiman tells a bit about his life before Christ, his conversion, how he believes Christians should be reaching Muslims, and how he and his family are now.
Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:48am On Nov 22, 2012
Here are two brave mothers, don't you think? Which one describes your type of bravery?

Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by Nobody: 9:52am On Nov 22, 2012
The Zionists stole another man's land, that's why we have this conflict in the region !!
Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by ow11(m): 10:38am On Nov 22, 2012
@OLAADEGBU

I like the cartoon in your pay off. . . How is it that you support vengenace and retaliation which is the exact opposite of the 'turn the other cheek' advice given by Jesus? Even if Hamas is the agressor shouldn't christians support and encourage the Israelis to follow the words of Jesus and not egg them on as they obey Moses' an eye for an eye?

I want to understand why you feel comfortable clearly ignoring this advice from Jesus
Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:29pm On Nov 22, 2012
ow11:

@OLAADEGBU

I like the cartoon in your pay off. . . How is it that you support vengenace and retaliation which is the exact opposite of the 'turn the other cheek' advice given by Jesus? Even if Hamas is the agressor shouldn't christians support and encourage the Israelis to follow the words of Jesus and not egg them on as they obey Moses' an eye for an eye?

I want to understand why you feel comfortable clearly ignoring this advice from Jesus

You have to put things in their rightful perspectives. Turning the other cheek is meant to be for our individual interpersonal relationships but when it comes to national issues the elected or unelected Government has a duty to protect its own citizens from its enemies, like the Jewish mother protecting her child from the enemies missiles in the pikshur above.
Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by Nobody: 1:33pm On Nov 22, 2012
OLAADEGBU:

You have to put things in their rightful perspectives. Turning the other cheek is meant to be for our individual interpersonal relationships but when it comes to national issues the elected or unelected Government has a duty to protect its own citizens from its enemies, like the Jewish mother protecting her child from the enemies missiles in the pikshur above.

and so Israel, GOD's chosen ( ha ha ha ) can go on massacring innocent women and children ? and you call yourself a follower of Jesus the prince of peace ?

You truly are a brainwashed Zionist !!
Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:52pm On Nov 22, 2012
frosbel:

and so Israel, GOD's chosen ( ha ha ha ) can go on massacring innocent women and children ? and you call yourself a follower of Jesus the prince of peace ?

You truly are a brainwashed Zionist !!


Tell me who exactly is massacring innocent women and children from the pikshur above. Is hiding in children's playground and residential homes a sign of protecting the innocent? Is using women and children as shield from the missiles the way to go? If you believe so then you need to check yourself up.
Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by ow11(m): 3:04pm On Nov 22, 2012
OLAADEGBU:

You have to put things in their rightful perspectives. Turning the other cheek is meant to be for our individual interpersonal relationships but when it comes to national issues the elected or unelected Government has a duty to protect its own citizens from its enemies, like the Jewish mother protecting her child from the enemies missiles in the pikshur above.

I dont think you are doing that. Israelis can do whatever they want to Hamas but I think a christian cheering on the death of unsaved people is plain wrong. No christian should cheer on the Israelis in this battle

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Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by Nobody: 3:22pm On Nov 22, 2012
ow11:

I dont think you are doing that. Israelis can do whatever they want to Hamas but I think a christian cheering on the death of unsaved people is plain wrong. No christian should cheer on the Israelis in this battle

perfectly said !

Some people who bear the tag of Christianity have no regard for the lives of the poor and oppressed.
Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by Nobody: 3:28pm On Nov 22, 2012
OLAADEGBU and his fellow Christian Zionist supporters , who are cheer leading the types of massacres and destruction we see below , may there be mercy for your souls on the last day.

The same people who killed JESUS are now wiping out the weak and innocent, the people that JESUS came to save.

You should be totally ashamed of yourself.

Remember , by supporting the unchosen atheist Zionist Israel you have blood dripping from your hands.

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Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by Sweetnecta: 5:12pm On Nov 22, 2012
@Olaadegbu:
by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:01pm On Nov 21
Anyone saying that is ignorant of the truth. The truth is that God created mankind equal and we are all equal in His eyes.
so if you see man's equality in the eyes of God when it comes to other tribes and the cause of yorubas, why not in the cause of the palestinians when it comes to the jews?



Man may want to delude himself into thinking that he is superior to his fellow
tell the israelis that. i think you have their ears right now. dont miss a chance to do good for mankind and stamp your name in the record of world's best and peace makers.



but it is up to the individuals to know their position on earth and not to allow others to define who they are apart from what God says we are.
this is exactly what the palestinians are doing which you seem to disagree with because its not the jews doing it, but against the jews. you need to be a disinterested man, otherwise people will think you are a multiple personality in your heart, being extremely evil and being a pretender of doing good while it is delusion that does not let him recognize that he is protecting evil. even Jesus did not think good of the jews.


now lets go back to walid shoebat. islam of Muhammad [sa] is existing before renaissance and others. if this islam was intended to kill all jews, the moment that Jerusalem was opened in the kalifat of Umar [ra], what would have stopped a victor from getting rid of the defeated? today, the country of Morocco has significant jewish population who even refused to accept israeli citizenship because they are better in Morocco.


Even if Islam intended to kill them off it would not have been possible. It has been like that since the beginning when the sin of the first man made the second man to kill the third man.
if Moses who was not as in your opinion as hardcore as Muhammad [sa] in killing was able to waste his people in the wilderness because they made a yahweh to be worshiped in form of golden calf, then if Islam of Muhammad [sa] was about killing, no muslims including jews would have remained in Madina. But in stead half of the jewish rabbis in Madina became muslims and at least one died in the battle of Uhud. if islam was about killing Muhammad [sa] would have ordered the death of all makkans and people of taif. if Islam was about killing, who would have stopped the blood bath of Jerusalem when she was opened in the time of Umar [ra]? sometimes, you need to think deep before responding. here are the facts; christianity in yoruba land and others including igbo land forced people to convert or remained uneducated. most families did. the hausa/fulanis refused and they were lock in darkness for a long time, the white christians and their supporters thinking that only western education is education. they needed to come to the americas during slavery where those who mastered the Quran among the slaves were the only ones who gave concerns to the slave masters. remember Kunta Kinte?



The ungodly has always been envious of the godly and it will only come to an end when the Jews finally accept our Lord Jesus Christ as their Saviour and Lord.
so the jews are now the ungodly? see your delusion and myopic mindset because your bibles say salvation is of the jews. you and ignorance and the jews are perfect together.




Are the blacks in Darfur not Muslims, why are they being attacked and taken as slaves by the Muslim arabs from the north? Do the northern Muslims in Nigeria see the Yoruba or Igbo Muslims as equals?
these are evil deeds and no one says there are no evil doers among the muslims. my prayers are that man will change his ways to good and God have Mercy on man.



The reason why Israel will retaliate against the arabs in Gaza who had been shelling missiles on them since January.
among the "arabs" in Gaza are your christian brothers and sisters. I know that you are a jew in yoruba skin which is the reason you forgot christian Gazans. Maybe the people of Gaza needs a better method or just allow the jews to kill them all by starvation and other tactics including building snaked about the neighborhood walls to cut them into smaller groups for easy picking when it comes to battles in the War?



Don't pretend that the struggle of the palestinians are the struggle for freedom it is an agenda to push the Jews into the see otherwise they would have accepted the two state solution.
than God you didnt say it is a struggle for Islam or even Christianity or religion. I wonder when the idea to push the jews into the sea started and what started it, considering that they palestinians lived side by side with the jewish remnant for centuries? when the idea was first conceived why did the arabs wait until the jews became a larger population before trying to implement it? i think you have inherited the spirit of moshe dayan or mannnachin begin or comatosed ariel sharon or even benjamin natanyahu. you might as well leave yoruba land for us and drop our heritage of fairness and while you are at your delusion, drop the yoruba name, please. it is better for you to adopt a yiddish name.



You may like to think so.
i know you will have selective forgetfulness. watch your video again and see and hear the jews making the greatest laughs when Jesus and Christianity were mentioned by walid shoebat. for the record, i do not believe that shoebat was ever a muslim because of what he alluded of his mother. there is no way a person will talk ill of Muhammad [sa] or Islam that i will find good about him. i find evil in walid even knowing that he made the jews laugh about Jesus. Alhamdulillah Isa bin Maryam [as] is different.



Islam is the one teaching people to hate and not the other way round.
read your Bibles. You will find Jesus causing and hating disbelief
and disbelievers. Thats the tradition that Islam teaches by "adopting" it, actually showing that Jesus is a muslim or Islam is in line with Jesus.



That is sinful mankind for you, and for this reason Jesus came to die for our sins
Jesus didnt come for our sins and which sin exactly is that? i am not a jew and i did not see anyone black among this elects. Please tell me which of my sins he came to die for, if you are truthful. I know he didnt die or died for me since i was not here before then and all my sins are things of future in his case. folks watch how olaadegbu is going to trip and fall here.



that we may fulfil God's purpose for our lives.
whats God's purpose for our lives? Please spell it out because it will do me a world of good if i know it and you will be doing a good deed for letting me know it. I want everything. the full and complete road map including the least of the byways.


Anyone, including the Jew who hasn't given their lives to Jesus remains in darkness.
God's purpose you said above and here you are saying giving lives to Jesus. which is it? i do not want to remain in darkness. people ask olaadegbu if he fails to explain God's purpose, then giving lives to Jesus and what is about not remaining in darkness. you see that what he will do. please press him for full and complete answer. there is only one way to God is the reason i say answer. i do know that God's purpose for us is not giving our lives to Jesus. If it is, then olaadegbu needs to provide complete evidence from God, Alone. Jesus will have nothing to do with such an instruction. But God will be the only instructor commanding us. I remember reading Jesus prostrating his face to God. whats that all about? is that God's purpose for him?




Why would Muslims not treat their fellow human beings like animals since Muhammad even said it in your Qu'ran, Surah 2:65; 5:59-60; 7:166 that Allah once turned some Jews into rats and monkeys?
some is not all. why did Yahweh kill some people? why did Jehovah love some people? if evil happens to some, it is not because they did God but more likely because they did evil. not all jews were turned to animals and turning means changed from original human form. Yahweh killed the first born of people and animals in egypt. i can not understand the reason for the first born of the animals. do you know the faults of goats that lost their first born? Jehovah hated disbelievers and Jesus called some tribal people dogs. Do you know why they as dogs cant even eat the crumbs that fell from the table of their masters, the free born, the jews of Jesus time? Who is really the haters, muslims or the jews and christians from your bibles according to the examples i listed? each group and religion has the right to dislike disbelievers or even hate them if you wish to use that word. but calling humans dogs without good reasons, killing animal babies, neither sound right and logical.



This is what you believe and it thus explains why you behave the way you behave to people created in the image of God.
if you are among believing christians or jews, you are like an animal. here you have condemned me that Jesus is the one i must give my life to without you giving me an explanation. yet before you said i must obey God's purpose. i will wait until you explain what you mean in either and how they can ever merge, meaning the same or or there 2 position i must have? If i believe that you are an animal, i will not dialogue with you unless you are a cat, an animal that i love. even muslims are commanded to be kind to their animals and not abuse them. you seem to cover islam with you experience with those who are ignorant that you have been dealing with. have you heard of late Adegbite? and others, even kind hearted muslims that i have been around on nairaland? haven't you learnt not to generalize?



Now tell me who is deceived between you and the Jews?
you olaadegbu first, the zionist and maybe me. satisfied?



If anyone is not fair it is the way the world press and the UN has been reporting the incident. They are making the aggressors appear as the victims.
i remembered as a boy when my late dad [ra] went to jerusalem as part of his hajj before the 6 days war. the following year my older brother [ra] went. i have met a jew who was a guest in my home in the time of my ignorance who proudly told me that he fed pigs to muslim prisoners. whats so ironic is that elford is british. but his hatred of arabs in general and palestinians [muslims and christians and jews] specifically traged him as a young man to go fight and kill. well not all arabs and or muslims hate the jews. i sure dont because i know quite a few to be considered a friend of them on the street of new york, where some of my friends have been long bearded rabbis. i dont play victim. not all palestinians play victim. heck. truth be told, though.
Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by bigmaut: 9:21pm On Nov 22, 2012
Yu cannot eat yur cake & hav it,if the illegitimate child of abraham (ishmaelites)i;e arab refuse to share land with his legitimate brother isaac descendants when UN decides to share d land of istrael/palestine instaed choose wra & total annihilation of istraeli,& firing Rockets & terrorism & crying blue murder while using their women & children as canon fodders @ d same time crying aggression! what stop them frm declaring their own statehood 40ty yrs ago? or seeking land in verse egypt ,jordan ,syria,iran or saudi arabia? & leave isreal alone!
Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by Sweetnecta: 11:46pm On Nov 22, 2012
@bigmaut: could you tell me what made Ishmael illegitimate even Yahweh gave him the name Ishmael, blessed him and never cursed him and the evil wishes of the biblical angel never came true on him, while the legitimate Isaac was not named by God and he in his old age was blind and his wife betrayed him and his son Esau?

in you your own mind is that how legitimacy should suffer and illegitimacy should not? do you people keep your brains in your briefcases and just come out with empty folders?


is jordan Ramala, when a person from ramala wants to remain in it? the key of the holiest christian place in jerusalem is in the hands of a muslim family. thats how old palestinians are to the land. even older.
Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:20pm On Nov 23, 2012


Brazen faking of images reveals Hamas’ desperation
By Paul Alster

Published November 20, 2012
FoxNews.com

Haifa, Israel – There is only one thing worse than the image of a child killed by military conflict, and that is the image of a child killed by military conflict having deliberately been placed in the line of fire.

War is, by definition, a very nasty business, and invariably it is the innocents on all sides who bear a significant cost in lives lost, people maimed and communities traumatized.

But solid evidence now reveals how Hamas and Islamic Jihad in Gaza have been deliberately placing their civilian population in mortal danger, choreographing a number of seemingly gory scenes, as well as releasing images from other conflicts, such as Iraq and Syria, and passing them off as dead Gazan civilians killed by Israeli missiles.

In an attempt to persuade the world that Israel is committing war crimes and to distract attention away from the illegal and immoral use of their own population as human shields, Hamas has resorted to staging a number of fake deaths and scenes of severely injured people right in front of international TV crews.

The BBC recently broadcast a news report showing a man being carried off by four others, seemingly the victim of an Israeli missile strike, only for him to reappear in the same clip a few seconds later wandering around completely unharmed. The same organization’s Jon Donnison yesterday re-tweeted a picture of the dead body of a young girl on a stretcher in Gaza with the headline "Heartbreaking," only for it to transpire that the girl had sadly been killed three weeks earlier in Syria.

Such is the sometimes chaotic nature of the situation on the ground in Gaza that mistakes can be made, but according to Paul Hirschson, spokesman for Israel’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Hamas has crossed a red line even in the Arab world by promoting the use of images of dead people – children in particular – against the tradition of their religion and the expected respect for the dead.

Hirschson told FoxNews.com that, “There’s no question that there are civilians being killed and injured on both sides of this conflict, but respect for the dead within the Muslim world is a core principal and what Hamas is doing is in contradiction to the customs and traditions of the local community.

"As in Judaism, Islam believes in taking the body and burying it at the first opportunity," he said. "Even Al Jazeera is sensitive to this and has blanked out faces as it is an invasion of privacy. This is a cynical abuse of respect and privacy and is not something that is reconcilable with the norms of the community. There are certain moral and ethical codes that we all behave by. In Egypt and Jordan this stuff doesn’t get published. Hamas are going to suffer for it amongst their own.”

Does the apparent manipulation of pictures, the "photoshopping" of images to suggest scenarios that later prove to be false, suggest a desperation then on the part of the Islamists to persuade the outside world of their opinion, regardless of the truth being told or not told?

"Hamas is using these pictures in order to deliberately incite Arab public opinion because their leadership is disappointed at the relative lack of public pressure throughout the Arab world on Arab governments to support Hamas,” Hirschson argued. “That could be for a number of reasons, but it could very well be because in Syria, in Egypt, or in Bahrain, for example, they have problems of their own. The other factor is that, yes, we have seen a rise in Islamists in the Arab world, but not everyone there is excited at that prospect. It is significant that there has barely been anything from Gaza’s brothers in the Palestinian Authority. The (West Bank) leadership is nauseated with Hamas.”

Some argue that Hamas’ manipulation of images is effectively undermining their own case and risking losing public sympathy as viewers and readers cannot be sure if the suffering being displayed is genuine. Those instances of real tragedy and trauma become lost in a fog of spin and manipulation.

“War has very ugly consequences,” Hirschson continued. “The one thing I don’t want to do is to suggest it is all staged, that there are no injuries, and this is all a bluff. People are being killed on both sides, and sadly sometimes uninvolved people are being killed and hurt. I’m not all that concerned about those who are involved (in terrorism), but the manipulation of images, the faking of images, and the presenting of images from other conflicts as fact on the ground in Gaza, is a cynical ploy on the part of Hamas.”

On Monday, a number of foreign journalists were injured when a media center in Gaza was hit by an Israeli missile. Hirschson suggests that Islamic Jihad had deliberately positioned their command and control center in the building.

“Whether or not those international crews knew that Islamic Jihad were there is unclear. But by effectively using the media as human shields, nothing less than a war crime is being committed,” he concluded.

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Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by Nobody: 2:23pm On Nov 23, 2012
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FOX News is your source, lol grin

No wonder you are deceived.

A right wing , Mormon loving , racist channel is where you go to for information.

It is owned by a JEW , what do you expect.

SMH @ blind fanaticism.
Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by ijawkid(m): 3:12pm On Nov 23, 2012
Is OLA really a christian??......I can't help but ask this question....
Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by PastorKun(m): 3:32pm On Nov 23, 2012
ijawkid: Is OLA really a christian ??......I can't help but ask this question....

My thoughts exactly.
Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:38pm On Nov 23, 2012
ijawkid:

Is OLA really a christian??......I can't help but ask this question....

This is what it takes to be a Christian.

Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:40pm On Nov 23, 2012
frosbel:



FOX News is your source, lol grin

No wonder you are deceived.

A right wing , Mormon loving , racist channel is where you go to for information.

It is owned by a JEW , what do you expect.

SMH @ blind fanaticism.

Bind fanaticsm indeed. grin I stand with Israel!

Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by jcross19: 4:26pm On Nov 23, 2012
[quote author=frosbel]

and so Israel, GOD's chosen ( ha ha ha ) can go on massacring innocent women and children ? and you call yourself a follower of Jesus the prince of peace ?

You truly are a brainwashed Zionist !!

[/quote/]you are without brain, s there anywhere n bible Jesus sad we should kill for any reason? before you come here and post your impunity
Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by jcross19: 4:32pm On Nov 23, 2012
Sweetnecta: @bigmaut: could you tell me what made Ishmael illegitimate even Yahweh gave him the name Ishmael, blessed him and never cursed him and the evil wishes of the biblical angel never came true on him, while the legitimate Isaac was not named by God and he in his old age was blind and his wife betrayed him and his son Esau?

in you your own mind is that how legitimacy should suffer and illegitimacy should not? do you people keep your brains in your briefcases and just come out with empty folders?


is jordan Ramala, when a person from ramala wants to remain in it? the key of the holiest christian place in jerusalem is in the hands of a muslim family. thats how old palestinians are to the land. even older.
have you ever see an aged man that can see clearly? is never a blnd man okay but s suffering from old age okay, and let me tell you one thing jesus make us to know that God who make sun to shine on just and unjust . is a merciful God that has clear your ignorance .
Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by jcross19: 4:35pm On Nov 23, 2012
[quote author=jcross19][/quote]no land belong to any one because even you frosbel , your hometown , i mean your family land never belong to you because your ancestor migrated from one place to where you people are today , so you use brain
Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by Nobody: 4:58pm On Nov 23, 2012
OLAADEGBU:

Bind fanaticsm indeed. grin I stand with Israel!


[size=13pt]We are the Israel, both Jew and Gentile.[/size]



You are following the Antichrist Israel and the system of the beast.


There are 2 Israels ;


1. Synagogue of SATAN - Present day Israel with their occultic symbol 666 and made up of a majority of atheists and non-religious with a small sprinkle of orthodox believers.








2. Israel of GOD - Jews and Gentiles who are saved and washed in the blood of JESUS.



I hope you will not continue to support the synagogue of SATAN.



"14 But far be it from me to boast, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world hath been crucified unto me, and I unto the world. 15 For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. 16 And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God." - Galatians 6:16

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Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by Sweetnecta: 7:55pm On Nov 23, 2012
@Jcross:
by jcross19: 4:32pm
have you ever see an aged man that can see clearly? is never a blnd man okay but s suffering from old age okay,
i know people in their 80s and 90s, males and females who do not wear glasses. my mother is able to attend to serious matters and inshaAllah I am looking forward to her cooking for old time sake. the aroma from her stew remains on my tongue always. how do you love a almost 90 year old woman who can still be independent, even good for the the family? thats my mom and she doesnt use glass and still a pretty looking woman. she has good genes.



and let me tell you one thing jesus make us to know that God who make sun to shine on just and unjust . is a merciful God that has clear your ignorance .
you dont have to believe in anything to see that the sun shines on every person and animal, tree and stone. even the sun can enter the cave. what are talking about? Alhamdulillah. God is Merciful and ready to accept the sincere repentance of man.
Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:23pm On Nov 24, 2012


Hamas kills six suspected of aiding Israel, drags body through streets

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Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by Nobody: 10:26pm On Nov 24, 2012
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so this is an incentive for Israel to kill yet more women and children.

What a bizarre fellow.
Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:47pm On Nov 24, 2012
Hamas Terrorist kill six suspected Israeli sympathizers in Gaza (Nov 20, 2012)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOnKwfA8p00

Who is bizarre now?
Re: Walid Shoebat - Explains The Real Motivations Behind The Palestinian Struggle by Nobody: 10:51pm On Nov 24, 2012
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God." - Matthew 5:9

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