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Re: Nigeria Riot Over 'blasphemy' Against Islam's Prophet by mazaje(m): 1:22pm On Nov 25, 2012 |
Logicboy03: I am presently living in Denmark. But I am from Kano state. I visit Nigeria regularly. . .I will be going to Nigeria in december and I live in Abuja, Lagos and Kano mostly. |
Re: Nigeria Riot Over 'blasphemy' Against Islam's Prophet by Nobody: 1:29pm On Nov 25, 2012 |
mazaje: Denmark? Guy, you are lucky mennnn! Anyways, I thought you lived mostly in the north and wanted to ask how you manage living in the north as an unbeliever |
Re: Nigeria Riot Over 'blasphemy' Against Islam's Prophet by vedaxcool(m): 1:31pm On Nov 25, 2012 |
Lol keep cherry picking, we also read in your post: The government used the socio-political institution known as the millet system, under which religious and ethnic minorities were allowed to manage their own affairs with substantial independence from central control. Such religious tolerance resulted in limited opposition when conquering other territories and peoples. The Ottoman legal system accepted the religious law over its subjects. The Ottoman Empire was always organized around a system of local jurisprudence. Legal administration in the Ottoman Empire was part of a larger scheme of balancing central and local authority.[92] Ottoman power revolved crucially around the administration of the rights to land, which gave a space for the local authority develop the needs of the local millet.[92] The jurisdictional complexity of the Ottoman Empire was aimed to permit the integration of culturally and religiously different groups.[92] The Ottoman system had three court systems: one for Muslims, one for non- Muslims, involving appointed Jews and Christians ruling over their respective religious communities, and the "trade court" . The entire system was regulated from above by means of the administrative Kanun, i.e. laws, a system based upon the Turkic Yasa and Töre, which were developed in the pre-Islamic era. The kanun law system, on the other hand, was the secular law of the sultan, and dealt with issues not clearly addressed by the sharia system. These court categories were not, however, wholly exclusive: for instance, the Islamic courts—which were the Empire's primary courts— could also be used to settle a trade conflict or disputes between litigants of differing religions, and Jews and Christians often went to them to obtain a more forceful ruling on an issue. The Ottoman state tended not to interfere with non-Muslim religious law systems, despite legally having a voice to do so through local governors. Under the same portion "logic"boy pasted we read further Under the millet system, non-Muslim people were considered subjects of the Empire, but were not subject to the Muslim faith or Muslim law. The Orthodox millet, for instance, was still officially legally subject to Justinian's Code, which had been in effect in the Byzantine Empire for 900 years. Also, as the largest group of non-Muslim subjects (or zimmi) of the Islamic Ottoman state, the Orthodox millet was granted a number of special privileges in the fields of politics and commerce, and had to pay higher taxes than Muslim subjects.[120],[121] The Ottoman Sultan Mehmed II allowed the local Christians to stay in Constantinople after conquering the city in 1453, and to retain their institutions such as the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate. In 1461 Sultan Mehmed II established the Armenian Patriarchate of Constantinople. Previously, the Byzantines considered the Armenian Church as heretical and thus did not allow them to build churches inside the walls of Constantinople. In 1492, when the Muslims and Sephardic Jews were expelled from Spain during the Spanish Inquisition, the Ottoman Sultan Bayezid II sent his fleet under Kemal Reis to save them and granted the refugees the right to settle in the Ottoman Empire. The state's relationship with the Greek Orthodox Church was largely peaceful, and recurrent oppressive measures taken against the Greek church were a deviation from generally established practice. The church's structure was kept intact and largely left alone but under close control and scrutiny until the Greek War of Independence of 1821–1829 and, later in the 19th century, the rise of the Ottoman constitutional monarchy, which was driven to some extent by nationalistic currents, tried to be balanced with Ottomanism. Other Orthodox churches, like the Bulgarian Orthodox Church, were dissolved and placed under the jurisdiction of the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate, until Sultan Abdülaziz established the Bulgarian Exarchate in 1870 and reinstated the autonomy of the Bulgarian Church. Similar millets were established for the Ottoman Jewish community, who were under the authority of the Haham Başı or Ottoman Chief Rabbi; the Armenian Orthodox community, who were under the authority of a head bishop; and a number of other All the above was taken from the wiki page "logic"boy posted, now with the sort of dishonesty from gaytheists sorry atheists where does objectivity start to in this sort of people head, this is why I usually avoid discussing with their type, to have any serious discussion with anyone honesty is very important indeed as it serves the basis for reaching an end game! But could dishonesty be one of the serial traits of an atheists? well that remains to be seen! . |
Re: Nigeria Riot Over 'blasphemy' Against Islam's Prophet by Nobody: 1:47pm On Nov 25, 2012 |
^^^ Vedaxcool thinks he can abrogate islamic bigotry against the Jews and Christians in the Ottoman empire by putting few isntances of peaceful relations in the ottoman empire. Sorry, this isnt the Quran where violent verses are abrogated with peaceful verses. Real life is different. Here is the islamic bigotry in the Ottoman empire [size=14pt]In the Ottoman Empire, in accordance with the Muslim dhimmi system, Christians were guaranteed limited freedoms (such as the right to worship), but were treated as second-class citizens. Christians and Jews were not considered equals to Muslims: testimony against Muslims by Christians and Jews was inadmissible in courts of law. They were forbidden to carry weapons or ride atop horses, their houses could not overlook those of Muslims, and their religious practices would have to defer to those of Muslims, in addition to various other legal limitations [/size] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire#Christianity_and_Judaism |
Re: Nigeria Riot Over 'blasphemy' Against Islam's Prophet by mazaje(m): 1:52pm On Nov 25, 2012 |
Logicboy03: I have been living in the Scadinavia(Finland and Denmark) for the past 9 years. . . .I visit Nigeria at least 3 times every year. . .I can't even live in my state for more than a week. . .I have family there but I can't stay there for more than a week (thats in Kano). I live mostly in Abuja but we all know that Abuja is completely different. |
Re: Nigeria Riot Over 'blasphemy' Against Islam's Prophet by mazaje(m): 1:54pm On Nov 25, 2012 |
Logicboy03: ^^^ The bottom line is during the ottaman empire muslims were not considered to be equal as non muslims and their rights were limited in many ways. . . |
Re: Nigeria Riot Over 'blasphemy' Against Islam's Prophet by Nobody: 2:09pm On Nov 25, 2012 |
mazaje: Seeing that you live in one of my favourite countries (Denmark), I might have to ask you for a favour or two. 1) I might ask you for pictures of nice place in denmark for my blog later on 2) I might also ask for which are the best hotels to stay in Copenhagen if I ever have time to visit. |
Re: Nigeria Riot Over 'blasphemy' Against Islam's Prophet by Nobody: 2:10pm On Nov 25, 2012 |
mazaje: Gbam. Simple and short |
Re: Nigeria Riot Over 'blasphemy' Against Islam's Prophet by mazaje(m): 2:19pm On Nov 25, 2012 |
Logicboy03: No wahala. . .You can send me a private message here on NL when ever you are ready. . . |
Re: Nigeria Riot Over 'blasphemy' Against Islam's Prophet by Nobody: 2:23pm On Nov 25, 2012 |
mazaje: Cool Were you an atheist before or after going to the West (denmark)? It was the UK that opened my eyes! 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Riot Over 'blasphemy' Against Islam's Prophet by proo212(m): 9:32pm On Nov 25, 2012 |
Actually Denmark is falling to Muslim gangs and this is now in the news over there. Logic boy, I'm sure you meant to say the peaceful verses were abrogated by the non peaceful verses. |
Re: Nigeria Riot Over 'blasphemy' Against Islam's Prophet by vedaxcool(m): 9:46pm On Nov 25, 2012 |
Lol! as expected "logic"boy proves that somehow dishonesty is a trait of being an atheist! It is simple, you brought a witness whom you thought proved your points right only for him to explain what limited freedom means, giving minorities full legal sovereignty to live by their customs and religious codes, even the West has not been that charitable , infact they were not even subjected to Islamic rules let restate what was written : vedaxcool: Lol keep cherry picking, we also read in your post: And truly can any honest individual have read an entire article and only pick the terms limited rights without even understanding what the rights are? Is this how far "logic"boy would go like gay slave appeasing his gay masters? How does this work? Or could this be the sort of objectivity he used in justifying being an atheist? Or how else do we rate this sort of objectivity, which resembles the sort we find in individuals whom rather than learn the steps in building coherent arguments in university spent more time engaging in gay activism? The wikipedia point literally exposes the shallow thinking of most atheist who spent their time engaged in Cherry Picking Fallacy! Q.E.D |
Re: Nigeria Riot Over 'blasphemy' Against Islam's Prophet by vedaxcool(m): 9:53pm On Nov 25, 2012 |
proo212: Actually Denmark is falling to Muslim gangs and this is now in the news over there. Logic boy, I'm sure you meant to say the peaceful verses were abrogated by the non peaceful verses. Verses like For those my enemies who do not want my enemies to prevail upon them bring them before me and slay them, yeah we understand were this Paul Minion is coming from indeed! |
Re: Nigeria Riot Over 'blasphemy' Against Islam's Prophet by Nobody: 10:44pm On Nov 25, 2012 |
proo212: Actually Denmark is falling to Muslim gangs and this is now in the news over there. Logic boy, I'm sure you meant to say the peaceful verses were abrogated by the non peaceful verses. I think Denmark is handling them well. |
Re: Nigeria Riot Over 'blasphemy' Against Islam's Prophet by vedaxcool(m): 7:32am On Nov 26, 2012 |
Lolz why do gaytheist always resort to insults whenever they have been debunked? Why the pains? Why the butt hurt? ! Sorry I did not mean to debunk you so thoroughly, I will be gentle next time! heheheh
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Re: Nigeria Riot Over 'blasphemy' Against Islam's Prophet by honeychild(f): 5:41pm On Nov 26, 2012 |
@verdaxcool Actually you started with †ђξ insults on this thread. Are all atheists gay? Name calling just makes you sound desperate |
Re: Nigeria Riot Over 'blasphemy' Against Islam's Prophet by Nobody: 12:58am On Nov 27, 2012 |
honeychild: @verdaxcool Vedaxcool never gets banned for his folly. He hardly gets cautioned by fellow muslims (only rare occasions). I love the islam section |
Re: Nigeria Riot Over 'blasphemy' Against Islam's Prophet by vedaxcool(m): 11:09am On Nov 27, 2012 |
honeychild: @verdaxcool if you can point were i will m,ail you N5! |
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