Logiboy03"I would rather he used his influence to work with the govt and provide self-sustaining solutions for the masses or congregation rather than give money and bags of rice every year as a temporary solution"
there are thousands of students who are sponsored to have self sustaining future.

tip999: Logiboy"That is not my problem with the issue. My problem is that they are called "wise men"- the marketing gimmick is so obvious. Church is a business. TB Joshua's family could be the "shareholders" while the Wisemen are directors."
Many things "could be" while they may not be. Prove that they are not "could be"

I said "could be" because I dont know. You want me to lie?


The fact remains that TB Joshua is a liar for making the comment that he is not among the richest pastors. How many pastors have a TV programme?

"The fact remains that TB Joshua is a liar for making the comment that he is not among the richest pastors. How many pastors have a TV programme?"
it is the organization that is rich . He said he have no personal account.

tip999: Logiboy03"I would rather he used his influence to work with the govt and provide self-sustaining solutions for the masses or congregation rather than give money and bags of rice every year as a temporary solution"
there are thousands of students who are sponsored to have self sustaining future.

I know that he sponsors a few students (i dont know where you got "thousands" from) but that is something not uncommon. My family does that- sponsor children to secondary and tetiairy education.


For a man of his calibre and riches, he can do more (work with govt to provide self-sustaining solutions).


By the way, even Hamas does charity. Charity does not mean that you are a good person or your message is true.


Just like Hamas, it is a smokescreen for TB Joshua and co to milk the congregation with fake prophecies and miracles.

tip999: "The fact remains that TB Joshua is a liar for making the comment that he is not among the richest pastors. How many pastors have a TV programme?"
it is the organization that is rich . He said he have no personal account.

It is his organisation.

"I know that he sponsors a few students (i dont know where you got "thousands" from) but that is something not uncommon. My family does that- sponsor children to secondary and tetiairy education.


For a man of his calibre and riches, he can do more (work with govt to provide self-sustaining solutions).


By the way, even Hamas does charity. Charity does not mean that you are a good person or your message is true.


Just like Hamas, it is a smokescreen for TB Joshua and co to milk the congregation with fake prophecies and miracles."
dont talk about fake miracles since you did not even believe in miracles.

tip999:
dont talk about fake miracles since you did not even believe in miracles.

Oh but that is why they are fake!


By the way, use the quote button to quote- it makes things easier for you!


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"By the way, use the quote button to quote- it makes things easier for you"

thanks for the corrections I never did it intentionally. I was thinking on the "how to do it".

tip999:
"By the way, use the quote button to quote- it makes things easier for you"

thanks for the corrections I never did it intentionally. I was thinking on the "how to do it".

Try it

Logicboy03:


Try it

ok

tip999:
ok

I can see it work well.I am grateful.

tip999:
ok

See? That's better

Logicboy03:


See? That's better

yes , i just never knew it.

Logicboy03:


I would rather that he spoke the truth from his pulpit and empowered the youth and his congregation.

I would rather that he stopped making false prophecies and gave people belief in themselves to control their own future.


I would rather he used his influence to work with the govt and provide self-sustaining solutions for the masses or congregation rather than give money and bags of rice every year as a temporary solution

he does his part.you forget that he is a private citizen of this country just like you and ihe speaks truth from his altar,probably not the whole truth,but at least he exorts his congregation to give to the needy and less privileged.he doesnt just say it,he leads by example.call it coincidence or call it sorcery,the reality is many of his prophecies come to pass

tip999: "I know that he sponsors a few students (i dont know where you got "thousands" from) but that is something not uncommon. My family does that- sponsor children to secondary and tetiairy education.


For a man of his calibre and riches, he can do more (work with govt to provide self-sustaining solutions).


By the way, even Hamas does charity. Charity does not mean that you are a good person or your message is true.


Just like Hamas, it is a smokescreen for TB Joshua and co to milk the congregation with fake prophecies and miracles."
dont talk about fake miracles since you did not even believe in miracles.

whether its a smokescreen or not,thousands benefit from him directly and indirectly.if all our jet-acquiring-pastors had such "smokescreen",nigeria would be a better place

Delafruita: he does his part.you forget that he is a private citizen of this country just like you and ihe speaks truth from his altar,probably not the whole truth,but at least he exorts his congregation to give to the needy and less privileged.he doesnt just say it,he leads by example.call it coincidence or call it sorcery,the reality is many of his prophecies come to pass

When you are ready to move away from the smokescreen of charity and false prophecies, call me.

Logicboy03:

I said "could be" because I dont know. You want me to lie?


The fact remains that TB Joshua is a liar for making the comment that he is not among the richest pastors. How many pastors have a TV programme?

almost all pastors have a TV programme.as for TV STATION,then you might have a point.however,the point been made by TB Joshua isnt that he isnt rich,he says his wealth cannot be estimated because it isnt stagnant neither is it transferred into acquisitions.rather the wealth been ascribed to him is continously disbursed into his charity hence its not actually his own.thats the man's point

Delafruita: almost all pastors have a TV programme.as for TV STATION,then you might have a point.however,the point been made by TB Joshua isnt that he isnt rich,he says his wealth cannot be estimated because it isnt stagnant neither is it transferred into acquisitions.rather the wealth been ascribed to him is continously disbursed into his charity hence its not actually his own.thats the man's point

Tv station or Tv programme, itmakes no difference. I can walk into 10 churches in my area in lagos and none of them have either. I dunno if you are trolling. You used to be more sensible than this.

Do you know the percentage that he puts into charity? Do you know his personal properties? He can not make that statement without declaring all his personal properties.

Logicboy03:


When you are ready to move away from the smokescreen of charity and false prophecies, call me.

what exactly is this "smokescreen"?

is it sponsoring the education of kids who might otherwise would have ended up on the streets?

is it taking care of the needs of widows who otherwise might have gotten frustrated and even gotten suicidal?

is it reaching out to the disabled by providing for some of their needs?

if these above listed are the "smokescreen",then we need all pastors to begin this model of "smokescreen".if pastors deceive people and at the end of the day they do half of what joshua does,then i wouldnt have any qualms with their collection of tithes and special offering.heck i might even be encouraged to pay tithe as a way of doing a little bit of charity.

Delafruita:

what exactly is this "smokescreen"?

is it sponsoring the education of kids who might otherwise would have ended up on the streets?

is it taking care of the needs of widows who otherwise might have gotten frustrated and even gotten suicidal?

is it reaching out to the disabled by providing for some of their needs?

if these above listed are the "smokescreen",then we need all pastors to begin this model of "smokescreen".if pastors deceive people and at the end of the day they do half of what joshua does,then i wouldnt have any qualms with their collection of tithes and special offering.heck i might even be encouraged to pay tithe as a way of doing a little bit of charity.

Good words Delafruita

Logicboy03:

Tv station or Tv programme, itmakes no difference. I can walk into 10 churches in my area in lagos and none of them have either. I dunno if you are trolling. You used to be more sensible than this.

Do you know the percentage that he puts into charity? Do you know his personal properties? He can not make that statement without declaring all his personal properties.

i dont know his properties.at least i know he doesnt own a jet.

i dont know what percentage he puts into the charity but i have a fair idea of what the charity doles out monthly and it is quite a huge sum.

i dont know him personally but i once witnessed the rice-sharing "smokescreen" a few years ago and i saw him among those that were distributing the rice.he was dressed same way with the emmanuel tv t-shirts and a pair of jean.you could see the members of the team who were young people freely chatting with him.

after the paralymics,i watched as he distributed cars and cash gifts to the paralympians.

i personally know someone who went to his church to solicit assistance and was given a bus for transport and his wife was given 500,000naira for business.

almost every month,some form of reach-out is made to the school for the deaf and other special schools.

i dont endorse his message of jesus as you and i know that i am not a believer in a mystic zombie who sent his son to die for the sins of a creation that rebelled.however,i think the man should be applauded for his charitable deeds.his church doesnt have branches.there's only one here in nigeria but it is well known.thats to show that for good or for ill,he is recognized for his actions.

you call it a smokescreen but to those people who benefitted from his largesse,it might be a smokescreen,but its a smokescreen that impacted their lives and made it better

Delafruita:

what exactly is this "smokescreen"?

is it sponsoring the education of kids who might otherwise would have ended up on the streets?

is it taking care of the needs of widows who otherwise might have gotten frustrated and even gotten suicidal?

is it reaching out to the disabled by providing for some of their needs?

if these above listed are the "smokescreen",then we need all pastors to begin this model of "smokescreen".if pastors deceive people and at the end of the day they do half of what joshua does,then i wouldnt have any qualms with their collection of tithes and special offering.heck i might even be encouraged to pay tithe as a way of doing a little bit of charity.

The average ignorant Nigerian will shout TB Joshua as one of the good pastors that help the needy and the poor. The catholic church does 10 times more work than TB Joshua in Nigeria. However, you will keep hearing more of TB Joshua than any other charity organisation because TB Joshua and his church shout it more than the others. Every small act of charity is praised and exaggerated by his church and his TV station.

Guess what? The catholic church in Nigeria does more charity work and also do not have private jets!



Does that mean that the catholic church is good and true? No!! Just like it doesnt mean that TB Joshua is a true prophet or he is doing the best for society. Have you seen the atrociities of the catholic church even in Nigeria? The catholic church makes a profit for every charity done either in members or in money. This same caqtholic church that was preaching against condoms in Africa, claiming that condoms are worse than Aids.




Even terrorist organisations like Hamas give charity. If I am a gansgster worth 2 billion, what does it really take me to give 50 million to charity to improve my criminal image?




Charity is not the solution to Nigeria. Never. While it is good, it is only a temporary remedy to a huge problem. What we need in society, is something beyond any preacher is willing to do. Telling the truth, empowering the people and working with the government for better policies in the society.

Delafruita:
i dont know his properties.at least i know he doesnt own a jet.

i dont know what percentage he puts into the charity but i have a fair idea of what the charity doles out monthly and it is quite a huge sum.

i dont know him personally but i once witnessed the rice-sharing "smokescreen" a few years ago and i saw him among those that were distributing the rice.he was dressed same way with the emmanuel tv t-shirts and a pair of jean.you could see the members of the team who were young people freely chatting with him.

after the paralymics,i watched as he distributed cars and cash gifts to the paralympians.

i personally know someone who went to his church to solicit assistance and was given a bus for transport and his wife was given 500,000naira for business.

almost every month,some form of reach-out is made to the school for the deaf and other special schools.

i dont endorse his message of jesus as you and i know that i am not a believer in a mystic zombie who sent his son to die for the sins of a creation that rebelled.however,i think the man should be applauded for his charitable deeds.his church doesnt have branches.there's only one here in nigeria but it is well known.thats to show that for good or for ill,he is recognized for his actions.

you call it a smokescreen but to those people who benefitted from his largesse,it might be a smokescreen,but its a smokescreen that impacted their lives and made it better

Yawn......I am not saying that charity is bad. I am saying that charity does not make TB Joshua a good person or someone to respect. Just read my post;

Logicboy03:



The average ignorant Nigerian will shout TB Joshua as one of the good pastors that help the needy and the poor. The catholic church does 10 times more work than TB Joshua in Nigeria. However, you will keep hearing more of TB Joshua than any other charity organisation because TB Joshua and his church shout it more than the others. Every small act of charity is praised and exaggerated by his church and his TV station.

Guess what? The catholic church in Nigeria does more charity work and also do not have private jets!



Does that mean that the catholic church is good and true? No!! Just like it doesnt mean that TB Joshua is a true prophet or he is doing the best for society. Have you seen the atrociities of the catholic church even in Nigeria? The catholic church makes a profit for every charity done either in members or in money. This same caqtholic church that was preaching against condoms in Africa, claiming that condoms are worse than Aids.




Even terrorist organisations like Hamas give charity. If I am a gansgster worth 2 billion, what does it really take me to give 50 million to charity to improve my criminal image?




Charity is not the solution to Nigeria. Never. While it is good, it is only a temporary remedy to a huge problem. What we need in society, is something beyond any preacher is willing to do. Telling the truth, empowering the people and working with the government for better policies in the society.

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The average ignorant Nigerian will shout TB Joshua as one of the good pastors that help the needy and the poor. The catholic church does 10 times more work than TB Joshua in Nigeria. However, you will keep hearing more of TB Joshua than any other charity organisation because TB Joshua and his church shout it more than the others. Every small act of charity is praised and exaggerated by his church and his TV station.

Guess what? The catholic church in Nigeria does more charity work and also do not have private jets!



Does that mean that the catholic church is good and true? No!! Just like it doesnt mean that TB Joshua is a true prophet or he is doing the best for society. Have you seen the atrociities of the catholic church even in Nigeria? The catholic church makes a profit for every charity done either in members or in money. This same caqtholic church that was preaching against condoms in Africa, claiming that condoms are worse than Aids.




Even terrorist organisations like Hamas give charity. If I am a gansgster worth 2 billion, what does it really take me to give 50 million to charity to improve my criminal image?




Charity is not the solution to Nigeria. Never. While it is good, it is only a temporary remedy to a huge problem. What we need in society, is something beyond any preacher is willing to do. Telling the truth, empowering the people and working with the government for better policies in the society."quote

You cant compare the catholic church and organization which existed for centuries of years , with billions of resources with t.b Joshua organization. By the way the catholic are also praise for their charitable works. T.b joshua is unique in chritable works when compares to the other pastor who some of you type will still criticize for buying jets and saying they are not helping the poor.

Logicboy03:



The average ignorant Nigerian will shout TB Joshua as one of the good pastors that help the needy and the poor. The catholic church does 10 times more work than TB Joshua in Nigeria. However, you will keep hearing more of TB Joshua than any other charity organisation because TB Joshua and his church shout it more than the others. Every small act of charity is praised and exaggerated by his church and his TV station.

Guess what? The catholic church in Nigeria does more charity work and also do not have private jets!



Does that mean that the catholic church is good and true? No!! Just like it doesnt mean that TB Joshua is a true prophet or he is doing the best for society. Have you seen the atrociities of the catholic church even in Nigeria? The catholic church makes a profit for every charity done either in members or in money. This same caqtholic church that was preaching against condoms in Africa, claiming that condoms are worse than Aids.




Even terrorist organisations like Hamas give charity. If I am a gansgster worth 2 billion, what does it really take me to give 50 million to charity to improve my criminal image?




Charity is not the solution to Nigeria. Never. While it is good, it is only a temporary remedy to a huge problem. What we need in society, is something beyond any preacher is willing to do. Telling the truth, empowering the people and working with the government for better policies in the society.

perhaps you can enlighten us on the charity work done by the catholic church.orphanages?mission schools?we thank them for their part.lets also applaud joshua for his own efforts

Delafruita: perhaps you can enlighten us on the charity work done by the catholic church.orphanages?mission schools?we thank them for their part.lets also applaud joshua for his own efforts

Sorry, while I would grudgingly admit that he does good charity work.............he is still a false prophet.

Logicboy03:



Sorry, while I would grudgingly admit that he does good charity work.............he is still a false prophet.

same as all the others.however he's a false prophet that impacts lives.thats much better

Delafruita: same as all the others.however he's a false prophet that impacts lives.thats much better

Agreed