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| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by Dede1(m): 4:17pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
Aigbofa: Of course, I knew the appointment of Sir Adesoji Aderemi as Governor of western region of Nigeria was ceremonial but executive. You are still chasing the shadow and failing to understand the body politics that went down in western region under Awo’s AG regime. In the eastern region, the Governor was not an Obi, Eze or Igwe. Also in northern region, the Governor was not Emir, El Kanemi or Sultan. |
| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by Dede1(m): 4:22pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
Geomac: Of course, it can not make sense to people in the same IQ level with you. 1 Like |
| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by Katsumoto: 4:33pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
hercules07: @Katsumoto The Ibadans would have made short work of both Oyo and Ife granted but it didn't. Being that the rulers of Ibadan were not of Royal blood, they relied on Oyo for legitimacy. Similarly, they had huge respect for Ife because of its relevance to Yoruba spirituality. For instance, after Ife was sacked by Modakeke, it was Ogunmola, in 1854, who brokered peace so that the Ife's with Ooni Kubusi could return to Ife. He feared that with the gods not being worshipped, a huge calamity would soon befall the race. Like I said earlier, if the Alaafin is superior to the Ooni, then the six other Obalades are also superior to the Ooni. If your point is that Oyo was a militarily superior town, then that is a weak point because Oyo didn't fight in the Kiriji while Ife played a huge role. Superiority derived from political or military ability only lasts for as long as that ability/advantage holds. Today, Greece can't came to be greater than Turkey because of Alexander the great.   1 Like |
| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by aribisala0(m): 5:38pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
Dede1: 1 Like |
| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by Geomac: 6:10pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
See how Dede-dolt dey useless himself |
| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by 7lives: 11:56pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
rileest: Interesting how lots of people read different history online and just claim one is superior than the other.. The ooni will always tell the stories in his favor while the Alaafin will always do the same hence the different accounts and counter accounts we're having.. I'm fortunate enough to come from Ife area and heard the histories orally from elders. Does anyone even have an Idea that Ooni is not the real king of Ife but "Obalufe" Anyone can check the history on this. The Ooni was the son of a slave and never a direct descendant of Oduduwadon't waste your time explaining anything here it is a complicated issue, ife was a shrine to the 401 yoruba gods and the oni is suppose to be shrine keeper, unfortunately yorubas have a wrong person in the person of the present ooni in the shrine, a man that was suppose to be a custodian of history shamelessly distorting the facts, ooni should please explain to us why Afonja refuse to attack Ile ife, he may have a better version of the history because what history told us was that Afonja refused to attack ife because this place is yorubas spiritual head quater. Ooni is a shrine keeper, an ordinary ABORE, if Olugbon, Aresa and Olukoyi of today who are the direct decendants and Oyomesi of yester years are not challenging the autority of alaafin who the hell is ooni. I honestly think that the spirit of afonja has possesed the ooni, the yorubas needs to shut this man up before he begins to adress himself as dan maraya kano, this man knows next to nothing about himself. 1 Like |
| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by Desola(f): 12:39am On Dec 19, 2012 |
Ooni is a shrine keeper, an ordinary ABORE, if Olugbon, Aresa and Olukoyi of today who are the direct decendants and Oyomesi of yester years are not challenging the autority of alaafin who the hell is ooni. I honestly think that the spirit of afonja has possesed the ooni, the yorubas needs to shut this man up before he begins to adress himself as dan maraya kano, this man knows next to nothing about himself. co-signed! |
| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by OAM4J: 1:47am On Dec 19, 2012 |
We have had this debate many times here and sentiments aside this matter is not as complicated as people are making it. I am not a fan of the present Ooni, but it makes no sense for any Yoruba man to arrogate Alaafin above Ooni. All Yorubas believe we are from Oduduwa, who ruled at Ile Ife and all Yoruba towns/cities/villages came to be from Ile Ife. How then can any king of this places be greater than the king of Ile Ife? Agreed Oyo empired dominated most of Yorubaland at a time including Ile Ife, but that does not make it the source or its King greater than Ile-Ife, besides that empire has long collapsed while Ile Ife remains. To those claiming Ooni was never royal but a shrine keeper, tell me who then was king or ruler of Ile Ife besides Ooni? Was there ever an Onife of Ile Ife that Ooni killed to become a king? Bare in mind that there has always been a king at Ile Ife even before Oduduwa got to Ife. And it will be a taboo to put a slave on a throne in Yoruba land, no matter how powerful the slave was, he would have been rejected by the rest of Yoruba kings, cos till date all Yoruba kings and children have great respect for Ile Ife. This is not about Olubuse or Adeyemi, long after these two, Yorubaland will remain. Lets not corrupt the history or make it look complicated for the future Yoruba generations. 2 Likes |
| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by DuduNegro: 2:31am On Dec 19, 2012 |
thank you OAM. I dont blame all the people according Alaafin the preeminence seat on the race.....I only wish Eko had participated in the Kiriji war, descendants of sword wielding warlords would not today have mouth to argue about Oyo vs Ife. We would have canonballed all of you to surrender and youd paying homeage to Iga Idungaran today. Nonsense!  |
| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by Desola(f): 2:55am On Dec 19, 2012 |
Dudu_Negro: thank you OAM. hehehee... ogogoro is bad for you o, my luv.  |
| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by OAM4J: 3:32am On Dec 19, 2012 |
Dudu_Negro: thank you OAM. hehehe Or may be our Oba of Lagos should declare himself above all other Yoruba Obas, afterall Eko-Ile (Lagos) is the most posperous of all Yoruba cities and towns presently  |
| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by birdman(m): 3:54am On Dec 19, 2012 |
saxywale: [b]I found the Interview I referred to about the controversial June 12 and The Ooni connection.People who talk a lot tend to lie a lot. On that basis, most of the above interview is very likely BS. It smells like it too, especially the supposed Alaafin plot. I could care less if the Ooni was a monkey. Ife is the common connection among all Yorubas, be it Oyo, Benin or Brazil. Ooni, Alaafin are titles that will become increasingly irrelevant, as globalization overtakes two old men fighting to be custodians of history that is bigger than both of them. Ife will remain long after both are dust. |
| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by Nobody: 3:55am On Dec 19, 2012 |
shymexx: with regards to the Obanta, pls read the article below... This trend of royal rumblings is also on course in the Gateway state but with the intervention of Governor Gbenga Daniel, it appears that a Daniel has come to judgment. In the Sunday Tribune of 28 May 2000, the royal trio of Oba Adedapo Adewale Tejuoso (Osile Oke Ona Egba, formerly Oloko of Oko [Abeokuta]), Late Oba Olawale Adisa Odeleye (Olowu of Owu Abeokuta), and Oba Alidu Laloko Sobekun (Agura of Gbagura, formerly the Alagura of Agura) signed an advertorial where they ran a detailed analysis to counter the claims of Oba Sikiru Adetona (Awujale of Ijebuland) which was published in the Punch of 04 April 2000. The protests and arguments of the trio were also not unconnected with the Egba crisis of who is the paramount or supreme oba in Egbaland between them and the Alake of Egbaland. The Awujale was quoted to have declared that he was superior to the Osile, Agura, and Olowu. They found Awujale's statement contradictory to his earlier stance in the Guardian of 25 March 2000, where the Awujale had said among other things, "Any attempt to create a traditional rulers forum at the national level would end in chaos. It is not possible for say, an Emir from the north to be head over Awujale and vice versa. For me, I will not take that from anybody." Awujale said further that he preferred a situation where everybody would reign in his domain. Although ethnic differences might be the logic behind Awujale's stance, but why should others allow Awujale to be head over them? Whatever is good for the goose must also be good for the gander. The royal trio also stated that there are four sectional obas in Egbaland - origun merin l'egba ni. They explained further that due to inter tribal wars between 1830 and 1834, they came together as four sovereign individual crowns from Oduduwa to form Abeokuta. They then jointly secured and run the territory of Egbaland as a federation in a cooperative way. They also averred that the Alake clandestinely and perfidiously schemed himself to be imposed by the colonial administration as the head of Egbaland in 1938. Alake later manipulated and monopolized the government of Egbaland for himself alone. They stated that their predecessors and ancestors had always fought against the imposition, sometimes paying with their lives. This is what their Oke Ogun counterparts have failed to do. Oba Tejuoso confirmed this when he was promoted last year as a first class oba that he has achieved what his predecessors had been clamouring for for over 100 years. The trio cited the Colony of Lagos Gazette of 24 February 1903 to puncture Awujale's claim of superiority. In the said Gazette, the Ooni of Ife, Olubuse I gave evidence of the distribution of the 21 beaded crowns that were given by the house of Oduduwa. The list included Osile, Agura, Olowu, Alake, and AWUJALE, with this they declared Awujale's alleged superiority over them as only existing in his imagination. The trio also observed that the Awujale settled in Ijebu division while Akarigbo settled in Remo division, but none settled in Egbado division. Yet government promoted the Olu of Ilaro, who was not on the 1903 Gazette list, from Egbado division as a 1st class oba and co- chairman of the Ogun State Council of Obas alongside Alake, Awujale, and Akarigbo. They wondered why Awujale didn't protest against the elevation of the Olu of Ilaro to his equal in the council. They reminded Awujale that he and the Akarigbo of Remoland were not paramount rulers until the Ijebu and Remo divisions were carved out of Abeokuta province. The three royal comrades have however been promoted to the status of a first class oba on 19 August 2004 alongside 18 others. The Yoruba's are very sophisticated more than you imagined. and note: Obanta reigns over Ijebu - Ode and not Ijebuland. The Ijebu - Remos are from Iremo and Ilode Quarters in Ile Ife, the people of Ijebu Igbo are from Ita Otutu Quarters in Ile Ife. the Ilisan - Remo are from Ilode and Remo quarters. The Ago Iwoye people have affinity with the Ondos (Ebumalewe/Osemawe). I would soon post some of the hell raised by Alaafin lamidi(he should be given the award of the Most Court loving kabiyesi), he has fought with the ooni, lam adesina, ladoja, akala, olubadan, alake(the Lawson iyalode saga), soun e.t.c I remember he also once raised dust cos akala gave him the same car gift with the soun of ogbomoso. so you yourself can decide who the trouble maker is. |
| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by aljharem(m): 4:09am On Dec 19, 2012 |
lol funny old men . + 10000 OAM4J |
| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by Katsumoto: 4:23am On Dec 19, 2012 |
Dudu_Negro: thank you OAM. You got jokes. Do you know how many times the Brits saved Lagos from Egba and Ijebu forces? And Egba and Ijebu weren't even as fearsome as Oyo/Ogbomoso/Ibadan warriors. 1 Like |
| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by Katsumoto: 4:26am On Dec 19, 2012 |
Honestly, The one problem I have with African chiefs is that they didn't consolidate power. If Oyo or Ibadan had continued with their expansion, the brits wouldn't have had it so easy. Oyo leaving so many vassal states resulted in those states becoming more powerful with time as Oyo's power waned. Instead of Oyo becoming a bigger state, its chiefs started fighting amongst themselves. Ibadan messed up by trying to fight everyone at the same time. 1 Like |
| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by aljharem(m): 4:34am On Dec 19, 2012 |
Katsumoto: ma je ka ja o ! . especially the Egbas owo people  , omo i still dey fear. Those people are really feared by Aworis and Ogus. Ijebus are more on the intelligent side. |
| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by Nobody: 4:35am On Dec 19, 2012 |
Katsumoto: . Thanks to olodumare for the British cannons.I remember that some years ago, most Yoruba films were about ancient wars....nowadays, all we watch is sikiratu sindido and yomi fash lanso 1 Like |
| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by aljharem(m): 4:36am On Dec 19, 2012 |
Katsumoto: Honestly, Question Were Ibadans trying to fight with the Oyos as well ? (just to confirm something) |
| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by Katsumoto: 4:45am On Dec 19, 2012 |
alj harem: No. Oyo didn't really have a powerful army at that time. Ibadan was fighting on several fronts: Egba and Ijebu on one front Ilorin/Ekiti/Ife at Offa Ekiti/Ijesha/Ife at Kiriji Modakeke were with Ibadan at Kiriji Egba had another front with Dahomey and it also had its eyes on Lagos. Lagos people were partying with Brits on the Island. 1 Like |
| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by birdman(m): 4:59am On Dec 19, 2012 |
Katsumoto: Honestly, Its not that Oyo didnt try. And whenever they succeeded, the story was the same - they get arrogant and start treating other states like sh*t, so those states have to revolt. This happened over and over again. The British saw this, and used it as a wedge to divide states even further by playing favorites. Hell if the British came back today, the same strategy would work with the Ooni and Alaafin fight. 2 Likes |
| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by aljharem(m): 5:00am On Dec 19, 2012 |
Katsumoto: thanks katz, I would do more research myself |
| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by Desola(f): 5:02am On Dec 19, 2012 |
Katsumoto: Jaye-jaye lawa... Eko for show! Eko wenjele! Eko aromi sa legbe, legbe. |
| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by aljharem(m): 5:07am On Dec 19, 2012 |
I actually think it is best we discuss a topic more relevant than this Ooni and Alafin issue. Do anyone know why Egbas decided to expand towards Dahomey westwards ? 1 Like |
| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by Katsumoto: 5:13am On Dec 19, 2012 |
birdman: The problem wasn't that Oyo treated the other states like shit. The problem was the constant infighting. Oyo was sacked by Ilorin whose forces were made up of Solagberu's Yoruba Muslims from Oke Suna and Afonja's Yoruba armies mixed with Hausa slaves (Gobirawa). Ilorin could only sack Oyo after Lanloke laid siege to Oyo Ile. There were several powerful kings/chiefs who were no longer the influence of Oyo and who were all suspicious of the others. Some of there were Adegun (Onikoyi), Atiba (who would be Alaafin after fall of Oyo Ile), lanloke (Ogodo). European conquerors were much meaner than Oyo yet they managed to avoid the sort of revolts Oyo suffered because they didn't have the infighting of Oyo. 1 Like |
| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by Katsumoto: 5:15am On Dec 19, 2012 |
alj harem: I actually think it is best we discuss a topic more relevant than this Ooni and Alafin issue. Egba had no interest in Dahomey. Dahomey was trying to expand into Egba towns but were checked several times. Egba was more interested in kicking the British out of Lagos but was distracted by Ibadan to the North and Dahomey to the West. |
| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by aljharem(m): 5:27am On Dec 19, 2012 |
Katsumoto: I find that a bit confusing. I mean did Egba town get to cotonuo and co before dahomey conquered it. |
| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by Nobody: 5:43am On Dec 19, 2012 |
saxywale: Thanks for article bro. - this is shymmex... OAM4J banned my other handle for no reason whatsoever... Yoruba history is so broad, I didn't even know that Ijebu people had so many clans - I thought we had just one ancestral link(which is Obanta)... Great stuff - I guess I have got to do more scholarships about Ijebus and Yoruba people in general... Off topic: I read somewhere that the name "Yoruba" was actually a derogatory Hausa word(Yarbawa) for Oyo people, and that the standard written Yoruba was actually done in Oyo dialect... Hence, why certain Yoruba clans(olukunmis and Itsekiris) don't consider themselves Yoruba because they migrated before we started bearing the name... And Oyo people are called: "Ara Oke" - meaning people of the highlands or hinterlands... Also, the Itsekiris don't refer to Yoruba people as Yoruba, but by the name of their towns e.g Owo = Irowo(ara owo), Ondo = Ir’ondo(ara ondo) etc. How true is this?? Thanks in advance.. |
| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by aribisala0(m): 11:55am On Dec 19, 2012 |
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| Re: Alaafin Tackles Ooni On Yoruba History by Dede1(m): 12:59pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
aribisala0: What a fool. You forgot suicide is a valid option, olodo. |
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