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Re: Counting On Mikel To Be A Messi- Segun Odegbami by thegoodjoehunt(m): 6:33am On Dec 22, 2012 |
COOLDUN: When I came across this comment from Segun Odegbami I thought he was saying that Mikel is an OPPOSITE of Lionel Messi, but to my greatest surprise he said that Mikel Obi will be another Lionel Messi, is now or when his career is finished? Haba Segun Odegbami. Why do you want to soil your hard earned reputation?The fact is that Mikel is very talented and brilliant. He is being played off position. No player including those you mentioned above would have excelled playing in an off position. What the legend is saying is that if Keshi can look back and find out what made Mikel excel to the point of competing with Messi, then we can expect a special nations cup. |
Re: Counting On Mikel To Be A Messi- Segun Odegbami by thegoodjoehunt(m): 6:42am On Dec 22, 2012 |
toluxe0075:If you watched Xabi Alonso at Liverpool FC, you will notice that backpassing was one of his regular plays. He still looked good because he was in a more advanced role and had Mascherano as his defensive midfielder. Xabi wasn't scoring loads of goals or charging and making dribbles but he was brilliant. If Mikel is put in a more advanced role, you will see the brilliance in his play. Back in the U20 world cup, Mikel made lots of backpasses but because of his position no one complained. Andrea Pirlo makes lots of backpasses but at AC Milan, he had Gattuso behind him. |
Re: Counting On Mikel To Be A Messi- Segun Odegbami by thegoodjoehunt(m): 6:46am On Dec 22, 2012 |
sunkoye: mikel's bad start with a wrong club killed the genius in him. o ma se ooo He is still a genius. He just needs room to express himself. |
Re: Counting On Mikel To Be A Messi- Segun Odegbami by hassey(m): 7:18am On Dec 22, 2012 |
olivertwist: If you understand football language, you'll know exactly why this football legend compare Mikel with Messi. Yes, we know Messi is an attacking midfielder and Mikel a defensive midfielder. But on a good day, they can both decide the outcome of a game.dats d point. Only u read and understand d msg from odegbami. 1 Like |
Re: Counting On Mikel To Be A Messi- Segun Odegbami by adewaleafolabi(m): 9:13am On Dec 22, 2012 |
At what age? well Goodluck to Uncle Shegs on his dream |
Re: Counting On Mikel To Be A Messi- Segun Odegbami by burningspear(m): 11:08am On Dec 22, 2012 |
agbari socket: Igbos are not happy bcuz then no see mikel robbed.thief people Brainless, blank mind and void heart! ...'then [/b]no see mikel [b]robbed...' Do you belong here? Check! |
Re: Counting On Mikel To Be A Messi- Segun Odegbami by caukerzee(m): 2:08pm On Dec 22, 2012 |
thegoodjoehunt: The fact is that Mikel is very talented and brilliant. He is being played off position. No player including those you mentioned above would have excelled playing in an off position.If a player is good you would see his quality no matter the position he is played, even if you make him a defender. Take vidal of juve for example. He is more of an SS naturally but he is played as a deep-lying mid feilder, but theres no qestioning his quality. Mikel is simply an average player. He is a bad passer, bad dribler. I believe the position one plays doesnt affect his passing or dribbling Mr man. |
Re: Counting On Mikel To Be A Messi- Segun Odegbami by uzoexcel(m): 3:55pm On Dec 22, 2012 |
after the youth competition they both featured in,messi's career has grown in leaps and bounds while mikel has moved infinitesimally...after that competition, we expected mikel to dominate world football in few years to come as an attacking midfileder but sadly this aint the case... olivertwist: If you understand football language, you'll know exactly why this football legend compare Mikel with Messi. Yes, we know Messi is an attacking midfielder and Mikel a defensive midfielder. But on a good day, they can both decide the outcome of a game. |
Re: Counting On Mikel To Be A Messi- Segun Odegbami by uzoexcel(m): 4:02pm On Dec 22, 2012 |
'if' doesnt build a house...mikel has not scored up to 4goals in chelsea since he joined 6yrs ago and thatz a damning statistics as a player;he hasnt even developed himself since that competition....the players like andrea pirlo,mikel carrick etc may do the backpassing but they knew how to also look for the long range passes and they also scored goals also...jose mourinho has even said the only player who is irreplaceable in the madrid squad is 'xabi alonso'...that guy s good and very effective also...and he could score outrageous goals...also stop making excuses of mikel been played as a defensive midfielder...roy keane,michael essien were core defensive midfielders but they could offer more by being able to charge and drive the attack from behind and the main thing they could do which i dont see in mikel obi was the ability to take'initiative'..been a defensive midfielder doesnt mean u must just sit at the back;once in a while u try and enter into threatening positions so as to offer more options to ur team when they have the ball..MIKEL doesnt do this @all thegoodjoehunt: If you watched Xabi Alonso at Liverpool FC, you will notice that backpassing was one of his regular plays. He still looked good because he was in a more advanced role and had Mascherano as his defensive midfielder. Xabi wasn't scoring loads of goals or charging and making dribbles but he was brilliant. |
Re: Counting On Mikel To Be A Messi- Segun Odegbami by thegoodjoehunt(m): 9:47pm On Dec 22, 2012 |
caukerzee: If a player is good you would see his quality no matter the position he is played, even if you make him a defender. Take vidal of juve for example. He is more of an SS naturally but he is played as a deep-lying mid feilder, but theres no qestioning his quality. Mikel is simply an average player. He is a bad passer, bad dribler. I believe the position one plays doesnt affect his passing or dribbling Mr man. If Arturo Vidal is playing as a defensive midfielder, what role does Asamoah Kwadwo play? In front of Asamoah is Andrea Pirlo who plays the Midfield playmaker role. You still have Claudio Machisio and Simeone Pepe who are regulars playing as a defensive midfielders. There is no way Arturo Vidal plays that role. I'll like to know the match that only one of these four (Asamoah, Pirlo, Pepe, Machisio) played a match for Juve. Mikel isn't the first in this exact scenario. Seydou Keita who was by far the best player in Nigeria '99 U20 World cup. Ahead of Xavi, Ronaldhino, Diego Forlan etc. Went to Sevilla and was super. When he went to Barca he was played off his creative attack midfield role and was a shadow of himself. If you watched the Chelsea vs Leeds Match, Rafa played Oscar as a defensive midfielder and he was terrible. He lost the most balls in that match. If Messi has been played as a DMF all these years, he would never have been in footballs top 20 today. Why should Mikel be different? |
Re: Counting On Mikel To Be A Messi- Segun Odegbami by thegoodjoehunt(m): 9:58pm On Dec 22, 2012 |
uzoexcel: 'if' doesnt build a house...mikel has not scored up to 4goals in chelsea since he joined 6yrs ago and thatz a damning statistics as a player;he hasnt even developed himself since that competition....the players like andrea pirlo,mikel carrick etc may do the backpassing but they knew how to also look for the long range passes and they also scored goals also...jose mourinho has even said the only player who is irreplaceable in the madrid squad is 'xabi alonso'...that guy s good and very effective also...and he could score outrageous goals...also stop making excuses of mikel been played as a defensive midfielder...roy keane,michael essien were core defensive midfielders but they could offer more by being able to charge and drive the attack from behind and the main thing they could do which i dont see in mikel obi was the ability to take'initiative'..been a defensive midfielder doesnt mean u must just sit at the back;once in a while u try and enter into threatening positions so as to offer more options to ur team when they have the ball..MIKEL doesnt do this @all Mikel competed with Messi for the best player in the U20 world cup, do you know that Mikel didn't score a goal in open play in that competition? So Mikel not scoring doesn't mean he is a poor player. |
Re: Counting On Mikel To Be A Messi- Segun Odegbami by thegoodjoehunt(m): 10:04pm On Dec 22, 2012 |
uzoexcel: 'if' doesnt build a house...mikel has not scored up to 4goals in chelsea since he joined 6yrs ago and thatz a damning statistics as a player;he hasnt even developed himself since that competition....the players like andrea pirlo,mikel carrick etc may do the backpassing but they knew how to also look for the long range passes and they also scored goals also...jose mourinho has even said the only player who is irreplaceable in the madrid squad is 'xabi alonso'...that guy s good and very effective also...and he could score outrageous goals...also stop making excuses of mikel been played as a defensive midfielder...roy keane,michael essien were core defensive midfielders but they could offer more by being able to charge and drive the attack from behind and the main thing they could do which i dont see in mikel obi was the ability to take'initiative'..been a defensive midfielder doesnt mean u must just sit at the back;once in a while u try and enter into threatening positions so as to offer more options to ur team when they have the ball..MIKEL doesnt do this @all Mourinho can say what he likes about Xabi but he is killing his game as he did Mikel. No accolade is as good as playing a player in his right position. You can't compare Xabi of Liverpool to the Xabi of Madrid. At Liverpool, he was a playmaker with Mascherano as his DMF. At Madrid Xabi is even behind Khedira, ridiculous. Check why Pedro Leon left Madrid, Mourinho wanted to convert him to a right back when he is a playmaker. If Mikel is played in his right position, he will excel and I hope Keshi plays him as a playmaker. That is why I agree with the legend Odegbami here. |
Re: Counting On Mikel To Be A Messi- Segun Odegbami by Rossikk(m): 10:20pm On Dec 22, 2012 |
olivertwist: And, technically, I don't neccessarily believe Messi is the world best football player. If you say best attacking midfielder in the world, I'll say yes. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY 100% SPOT ON. The very idea of ''best player in the world'' is ridiculous and absurd, as the title is heavily tilted towards strikers and attacking midfielders. And can you worthless fools here writing rubbish about Mikel kindly zip it. He's done 1000 times more for club, country and self, than you can ever do in your entire worthless lives. |
Re: Counting On Mikel To Be A Messi- Segun Odegbami by Nobody: 8:15am On Dec 23, 2012 |
olivertwist: And, technically, I don't neccessarily believe Messi is the world best football player. If you say best attacking midfielder in the world, I'll say yes.Thank you jare! As if na only by scoring goals go make person best footballer. What of defenders, goalkeepers etc? |
Re: Counting On Mikel To Be A Messi- Segun Odegbami by caukerzee(m): 7:39pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
thegoodjoehunt: The fact is that Mikel is very talented and brilliant. He is being played off position. No player including those you mentioned above would have excelled playing in an off position.in reply to your last reply to me. For some reason, i was not allowed to reply directly. You said oscar played terribly against leeds?? And he mirplaced many passes? Please dont bring up lies to win an argument or to defend mikel. Go check most reputable football websites he was the man of the match. And statistics showed that he completed the most passes. Mikel is simply an average player and playing position has nothing to do with that. As i said earlier, playing position does not affect you ability to dribble or pass the ball well. Mikel is pretty bad at both. Even natural defensive mid feilders like essien or say roy kean or felliani burts forward to make attacks talk more of mikel who is supposed to be attacj minded. He makes no attempt whatsoever to go forward. If you watched chelseas game today you would see how useless mikel is. Luiz played that position perfectly, he was not afraid to go forward unlike mikel. Position cannot kill your technical attributes, so just forget tht thing. |
Re: Counting On Mikel To Be A Messi- Segun Odegbami by thegoodjoehunt(m): 10:15pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
caukerzee: in reply to your last reply to me. For some reason, i was not allowed to reply directly. You said oscar played terribly against leeds?? And he mirplaced many passes? Please dont bring up lies to win an argument or to defend mikel. Go check most reputable football websites he was the man of the match. And statistics showed that he completed the most passes. Mikel is simply an average player and playing position has nothing to do with that. As i said earlier, playing position does not affect you ability to dribble or pass the ball well. Mikel is pretty bad at both. Even natural defensive mid feilders like essien or say roy kean or felliani burts forward to make attacks talk more of mikel who is supposed to be attacj minded. He makes no attempt whatsoever to go forward. If you watched chelseas game today you would see how useless mikel is. Luiz played that position perfectly, he was not afraid to go forward unlike mikel. Position cannot kill your technical attributes, so just forget tht thing.What do you mean by lies. If Oscar was the man of the match, why was he on the bench. Maybe pundits are given him thumbs up playing off position and making something of it. This statement is from a Chelsea fan from a Chelsea forum - weaintgotnohistory.com who calls himself Mourinho. Oscar was average in the pivot couldn’t really handle Leeds pressing all over the pitch I watched the game and didn't wait for goal.com to streamline my thought. Today when Oscar came on, he played as a creative attack midfielder. If he was so special against Leeds, Rafa would have played him deep instead of bringing Ramirez on. Finally you might have liked seeing Luiz run up the pitch and make mistake passes trying to break the midfield. Against a counter attacking team like Man Utd, Arsenal or Real Madrid, Chelsea will get slaughtered. If the DMF goes forward, loses the ball, a good counter attacking team will use those opportunnities. Villa today were just kids growing up. |
Re: Counting On Mikel To Be A Messi- Segun Odegbami by thegoodjoehunt(m): 10:41pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
caukerzee: in reply to your last reply to me. For some reason, i was not allowed to reply directly. You said oscar played terribly against leeds?? And he mirplaced many passes? Please dont bring up lies to win an argument or to defend mikel. Go check most reputable football websites he was the man of the match. And statistics showed that he completed the most passes. Mikel is simply an average player and playing position has nothing to do with that. As i said earlier, playing position does not affect you ability to dribble or pass the ball well. Mikel is pretty bad at both. Even natural defensive mid feilders like essien or say roy kean or felliani burts forward to make attacks talk more of mikel who is supposed to be attacj minded. He makes no attempt whatsoever to go forward. If you watched chelseas game today you would see how useless mikel is. Luiz played that position perfectly, he was not afraid to go forward unlike mikel. Position cannot kill your technical attributes, so just forget tht thing.Please, do you think Messi will win World best player playing as a DMF? How come Seydou Keita could not replicate his Mali form during U20 World Cup in Nigeria and Sevilla form being played off position. How come Yaya is completely different at Man City. Did Yaya win African Footballer of the year playing for Barca? This is another comment about the Leeds game from the same site (he calls himself ohaidreww: Does anyone else find that Oscar and lamps’ position In the pivot seems very deliberate? It doesn’t seem natural, like they have to keep reminding themselves… I don’t know, that’s what I found. Reinforces the need for a CDM currently. So Oscar wasn't the special kid being played off position. As for Fellaini, he also doesn't play as a defensive midfielder but just in front of the defensive midfielder, mostly Darren Gibson. Finally Mikel wasn't charging forward and shooting shots as David Luiz did today when Mikel played the U20 world cup. It was more of his creativity in his passes and quick decision that made him a phenom. What Mikel has faced all these years at Chelsea is developing Piazon or Oscar as a defensive midfielder shielding the defence. If these Brazillians are developed like that, they will never reach their pinnacle. Just the same way Mikel has been left off position. |
Re: Counting On Mikel To Be A Messi- Segun Odegbami by thegoodjoehunt(m): 11:02pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
caukerzee: in reply to your last reply to me. For some reason, i was not allowed to reply directly. You said oscar played terribly against leeds?? And he mirplaced many passes? Please dont bring up lies to win an argument or to defend mikel. Go check most reputable football websites he was the man of the match. And statistics showed that he completed the most passes. Mikel is simply an average player and playing position has nothing to do with that. As i said earlier, playing position does not affect you ability to dribble or pass the ball well. Mikel is pretty bad at both. Even natural defensive mid feilders like essien or say roy kean or felliani burts forward to make attacks talk more of mikel who is supposed to be attacj minded. He makes no attempt whatsoever to go forward. If you watched chelseas game today you would see how useless mikel is. Luiz played that position perfectly, he was not afraid to go forward unlike mikel. Position cannot kill your technical attributes, so just forget tht thing.Do you know that when Nani played at Sporting Lisbon and when he plays for Portugal, he is fantastic, during his days at Sporting, he was tagged the new Cristiano Ronaldo. When he plays for Man Utd, fans call him rubbish. The reason why he plays poorly for Man Utd is because he is being played off his natural position. He is an attacking winger like Messi and CR7. Ferguson wants him to play like a traditional winger like Valencia ie run and cross. This is also why Quaresma flopped playing for Mourinho (same man who changed Mikel's positon, who refuses to play Kaka despite exceptional performances). Position can make an exceptional player look average. |
Re: Counting On Mikel To Be A Messi- Segun Odegbami by thegoodjoehunt(m): 11:10pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
caukerzee: in reply to your last reply to me. For some reason, i was not allowed to reply directly. You said oscar played terribly against leeds?? And he mirplaced many passes? Please dont bring up lies to win an argument or to defend mikel. Go check most reputable football websites he was the man of the match. And statistics showed that he completed the most passes. Mikel is simply an average player and playing position has nothing to do with that. As i said earlier, playing position does not affect you ability to dribble or pass the ball well. Mikel is pretty bad at both. Even natural defensive mid feilders like essien or say roy kean or felliani burts forward to make attacks talk more of mikel who is supposed to be attacj minded. He makes no attempt whatsoever to go forward. If you watched chelseas game today you would see how useless mikel is. Luiz played that position perfectly, he was not afraid to go forward unlike mikel. Position cannot kill your technical attributes, so just forget tht thing.Guardian Stats rated Victor Moses, Eden Hazard and Mata above Oscar. Their man of the match was Mata. |
Re: Counting On Mikel To Be A Messi- Segun Odegbami by Nobody: 12:58am On Dec 24, 2012 |
Livermeka: ...Is this some type of Satire?... |
Re: Counting On Mikel To Be A Messi- Segun Odegbami by SBabaJ(m): 12:39pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
thegoodjoehunt: When Di Matteo took over Chelsea, he gave Mikel the liberty of expressing himself and he became one of Chelsea's best performers.The Dynamics Of The Game Are Beyond The Assertion In Your Last Statement. |
Re: Counting On Mikel To Be A Messi- Segun Odegbami by thegoodjoehunt(m): 7:56pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
SBabaJ: How can that be. A player played off his natural position will not do as well as he will playing his natural position. Mikel excelled playing his natural position during the WYC. At Chelsea he is okay but not at his optimum best because he is off position. No matter the dynamics of the game, the fact still remains. Do you think CR7 will be exceptional as a defender? |
Re: Counting On Mikel To Be A Messi- Segun Odegbami by caukerzee(m): 11:22pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
thegoodjoehunt:ivanovic, CB turned RB?? |
Re: Counting On Mikel To Be A Messi- Segun Odegbami by SBabaJ(m): 4:42am On Dec 28, 2012 |
thegoodjoehunt:If You Are Played Off Position Long Enough, You Will Adapt Quite Perfectly To Your New Position. Mikel Excelled Playing In His Natural Position At The WYC...That Was Over Seven Years Ago! It Will Be Folly To Play Mikel As Our '10' @ The ACN. Over The Last Seven Years, I Doubt If Mikel Can Boast Of 20 Assists/10 Goals In All Competitions. Too Mediocre To Play The 'Chief Creator' Role In The National Team. |
Re: Counting On Mikel To Be A Messi- Segun Odegbami by masu: 3:18pm On May 02, 2013 |
odegbami is spot on in this |
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