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Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by MrAnony1(m): 6:12pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
frosbel:This does not answer davidlyan's question in any way. |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by Nobody: 6:15pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
Mr_Anony: well i tried to pretend i was the one with comprehension problems. |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by truthislight: 6:17pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
mazaje: when this ^^^ is alive is what the bible calls the "soul" and that includes the brain, and it was the "breath of life/spirit" of God that kickstarted it. When that spirit goes of, it all dies off. |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by Nobody: 6:25pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
Mr_Anony: I am not sure how many times I have to repeat this to you , but a MAN is a SOUL , he dies and that's it, there is no further consciousness. I assure you I am not overlooking Genesis 2:7 I am only rejecting your interpretation of it. I think you are overlooking it based on your wrong interpretation of what a soul is ! The question is does the soul leave his body and exist consciously outside the physical realm? The biblical answer is YES. The Bible answer is actually NO ! This is actually true else Jesus wouldn't have talked about being able to kill the body but not the soul clearly showing that one can still be alive after the other has died. No ! Jesus Christ can destroy both the body and the life of that person in HELL is an allegory of the resurrection to damnation and denial of life for all those who have rejected the gospel of truth, in other words they will be denied life altogether and put to a perpetual death. A concept is not any less valid just because it is held by people you don't respect. Stop being childish by bringing respect into it, I reject concepts based on my understanding of scripture. I am not small minded to reject an idea because for example , I have no respect for Anony , let's be mature on this topic. |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by Nobody: 6:28pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
davidylan: I repeat my response to Anony. Jesus Christ can destroy both the body and the life of that person in HELL is an allegory of the resurrection to damnation and denial of life for all those who have rejected the gospel of truth, in other words they will be denied life altogether and put to a perpetual death. |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by Nobody: 6:31pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
frosbel: If i get you right... those who reject the gospel will be NOT be conscious of an afterlife but will simply cease to exist? |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by MrAnony1(m): 6:58pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
frosbel:Lol we shall come back to this, It is impossible for both of us to be right while holding two opposing views on the same thing. It is either one of us is wrong and the other right or both of us are wrong. No !It seems you haven't read that verse properly. Please notice how it is phrased: Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul....... Obviously this should tell you that the body is one thing and the soul is another. Also that man can kill one but the other one will remain alive. If by your definition a living body is a living soul, then a dead body should also be a dead soul. There is no way around it. For Jesus to make the distinction that a dead body is not a dead soul, it should immediately tell you that there is something wrong with your interpretation of Genesis 2:7. Your explanation about destroying both the body and the life as weird as it sounds (how do you kill a person and then later kill his life? what did you kill the first time?) can only relate to the later part of the verse - rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. - and that only when you would have forcefully translated psuche as "life" inspite of the fact that everything in the context of the statement points to "soul". Furthermore, it will not follow from the first part of the verse and the whole thing will not make literary sense. Stop being childish by bringing respect into it, I reject concepts based on my understanding of scripture. I am not small minded to reject an idea because for example , I have no respect for Anony , let's be mature on this topic.Ok. |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by truthislight: 7:55pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
Mr_Anony: that God spirit/breath of life is an impersonal force, to that you said this: Mr_Anony: is man's "character" the man person or it is a man's disposition? If yes, the character = the man, can we conclude that since people have different characters as such they are different percie(man and gorilla) or that they are all still "mankind" though they have different characters? If though they have different characters, but we still call all of them "man", it then means that "character" is not the man but trait that man possesses and man can change his character any time without it affecting the fact that he is still the man person. Mr_Anony:the radio and computer also comes to life abate differently from the man, but it talks, sing, etc. But that power, the current that enables the radio to do such is an impersonal force. No? Does the current have intelligence or carried the intelligence to the radio? Or it is the intelligent designed of the radio that enabled it to talk? Which exactly? The spirit of God that subsequently fell upon the apostles of christ, was it a person entering into an already inhabiting person in them or a replacement person? The truth is that it was the power of God that gave them extra capacity? Though higher capacity and ability. The spirit of God is not a person but rather the power of God that he uses it to do all sort of things and it manifest in divers forms but NEVER a person. Just like the current powers an intelligent design computer/radio to talk and performs. Peace |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by truthislight: 8:33pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
Mr Annony, you said that the thought does not die as said by my translation and showed me another traslation that it is the plans of the man. See: Mr_Anony: to which i ask the bellow question: truthislight: are you honestly saying you did not get the meaning of that question or you were averting the question so as not To admit that the thought of a man as produce by the brain dies? Then why did the bible say this?: "The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence." (Psalm 115:17). ................ And why the silence when the "soul" is intelligent and existing? Please, can you shade more light to those? Thanks. |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by truthislight: 8:56pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
Mr_Anony: Mr Annony, you said that the thought does not die as said by my translation and showed me another traslation that it is the plans of the man. See: Mr_Anony: i really need you to addressed this. We cannot be going round in circles truthislight: to me it is very clear. Then why did the bible say this?: "The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence." (Psalm 115:17). ................ And why the silence when the "soul" is intelligent and existing? Please, can you shade more light to those? Thanks. |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by truthislight: 8:56pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
Mr_Anony: Mr Annony, you said that the thought does not die as said by my translation and showed me another traslation that it is the plans of the man. See: Mr_Anony: i really need you to addressed this. We cannot be going round in circles truthislight: to me it is very clear. Then why did the bible say this?: "The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence." (Psalm 115:17). ................ And why the silence when the "soul" is intelligent and existing? Please, can you shade more light to those? Thanks. |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by truthislight: 9:14pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
wiegraf: something ignited matter to life. |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by truthislight: 9:29pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
frosbel: @frosbel beautiful quote. Lets wait, for their answers Enigma: ^^^^ Did Jesus resurrect? Did His "soul" die in the meantime? @Enigma please, how does what you wrote up there explained the scriptures frosbel quote |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by truthislight: 9:37pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
davidylan: hahaha, that was not the question from frosbel: frosbel: ^^^ "how can soul have blood" is the question he had asked you. Please try again. And the statement of Jesus may actually have a different meaning, |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by truthislight: 9:44pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
Mr_Anony: ok, consider this scenerio: three students were in a mathematical class of calculus: student one(1) was playing with his handset thereby reducing the intake of information that will subsequently form his memory based of the subject matter so, when the scan for the output of the stored memory is done the output is 40% correct. (ignoring efficiency of their respective brain) Student two(2) was distracted by the financial problem at home thereby reducing his concentration and the intake of information that will subsequently form his memory based of the subject matter, so, when the scan for the output of the stored memory is done the output is 60% correct. (ignoring efficiency of their respective brain) Student three(3) was fully concentrated and the intake of information that will subsequently form his memory based of the subject matter was not hindered, so, when the scan for the output of the stored memory is done the output is 90% correct. (ignoring efficiency of their respective brain) based on that ^^^ analogy, the realisation of what they(3 student) were all exposed to differ since external and internal forces affected the absorbtion(information intake) of the reality they were all exposed to though similar information. So, "subjective reality" is relative to our memory base. We cannot all hellucinate the same thing if induced but rather different things based on the information storage we individually have in our brain. Mr_Anony: the cpu did not have different internal and external interference, since they are not self conscious(alive) like the human and it source of memory depends solely on the input and as such it output is proportional to the input. But the cpu mode of sending out it output is similar to that of the brain since it is what it has on its memory that it will send out. (abi, can you solve calculus if you did not first take it in?) so then, what part exactly does the soul play in that ^^^ if it is distinct? |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by Nobody: 10:01pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
frosbel: |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by Nobody: 10:19pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
truthislight: They only answer when it is convenient to do so, otherwise they bypass difficult scriptural passages ! |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by truthislight: 10:21pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
davidylan: that matthew is talking about man destroying the body but cannot destroy the soul. But we should be in fear of God that can destroy both body and soul. All men will all die with time. But servant of God all have hope of a future life from God. As servants of God Jesus was advising that we should not be in fear of the person that can only destroy the body, but that life that was given to the person, only God can decide that the person cannot have life again in the future even if we should be put to death by man, there is hope of a future resurrection. That is soul = the life that we have as a result of the spirit of God that activated the body. It is only God that can decide not to send back the spirit/breath back to bring the death man back. So, if the death is caused by God, he will not send his spirit back to the person there by ensuring that both body and soul(life) of the person ceased permanently. No more resurrection. But man cannot cause the future life of man to cease even though they destroy the body. Encouraging us to serve God and not to be in fear of man since the future life is ensured by God. |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by greatgenius: 10:21pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
wiegraf:i dont care what you think or believe about the things i say.. they either resonate with you or they don't..i am not here to dance and argue to and fro about things that i already know about..likewise i am not under any obligation to provide facts. neither have i asked anyone to believe anything i say.. if it resonates ok.. if not ok..it will not change ultimate reality. And lately because i have been respecting other peoples freewill to be ignorant.. i was going to ignore your delusional ignorant blabber but i figured why not put you to a simple test to discern your level of awareness.. hopefully you will begin to evaluate your thinking and stop discarding information as nonsensical because of your lack of understanding and ignorance.. how many colors do you see on the image below(disregard the black dot)..most people will only see two colors red and green..but i see four colors
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Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by Nobody: 10:30pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
greatgenius: i dont care what you think or believe about the things i say.. they either resonate with you or they don't..i am not here to dance and argue to and fro about things that i already know about..likewise i am not under any obligation to provide facts. neither have i asked anyone to believe anything i say.. if it resonates ok.. if not ok..it will not change ultimate reality. Does the bold make a you genius? Mtchew |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by truthislight: 10:35pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
frosbel: that is risking carrying a teaching that contradict the bible and it is wrong. The soul is the man and as such it has blood. |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by greatgenius: 10:37pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
Logicboy03:is that your answer. well thanks god brother.. |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by Nobody: 10:37pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
Mr_Anony: Indeed ! It seems you haven't read that verse properly. Please notice how it is phrased: No one is arguing on this point. The physical body can be killed but it is GOD who determines whether that person is worthy of eternal life or not. When a person dies his spirit returns to GOD and his body returns to the ground, before you jump on this to prove a point remember that ALL spirit life returns to GOD , not downward to some strange unbiblical place. This includes the spirit life of both the bad and good. On the last day, this spirit life will be returned to all dead bodies aka resurrection, those who are not derserving of eternal life will be cast into the lake of fire to be utterly and completely destroyed , those who do deserve eternal life will be granted eternal life with new improved immortal bodies. "Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt." - Daniel 12:2 Also that man can kill one but the other one will remain alive. If by your definition a living body is a living soul, then a dead body should also be a dead soul. There is no way around it. When a MAN dies he ceases to be called a SOUL as his spirit or breath returns to GOD pending the final white throne judgement. The resurrection implies that this spirit will return to MAN , if this MAN is guilty of rejecting Christ he will be destroyed wholly in the lake of fire. Therefore the difference between physical death and spiritual death is that in the former , man dies with hope of a resurection , but after this resurrection and subsequent judgement , if he is found not to be deserving of eternal life , he will be destroyed as a SOUL in the lake of fire, complete with his body. |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by wiegraf: 11:08pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
truthislight: Not necessarily conscious. In fact, not likely. Not so relevant, but AI progress http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/05/robot-altruism/ |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by wiegraf: 11:12pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
greatgenius: i dont care what you think or believe about the things i say.. they either resonate with you or they don't..i am not here to dance and argue to and fro about things that i already know about..likewise i am not under any obligation to provide facts. neither have i asked anyone to believe anything i say.. if it resonates ok.. if not ok..it will not change ultimate reality. What have I ever done to give you the impression I will indulge in your silly nonsense oh great genius? If you demand respect, you are obligated to provide evidence for your claims, ie, if you state them as fact. Else, expect the well deserved ridicule that comes your way. |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by greatgenius: 11:25pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
wiegraf:lol what gave you the impression i am here for respect ... you said you want facts and evidence before you believe so just answer the question about the images and we can proceed..how many colors did you see |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by wiegraf: 11:34pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
greatgenius: lol what gave you the impression i am here for respect ... you said you want facts and evidence before you believe so just answer the question about the images and we can proceed..how many colors did you see So I can insult you as I see fit? Oh goodie!! Make no mistake, most of the drivel you spew is complete nonsense, but I'll hold off on the insults for now as I do like games. I can see only 2, so? |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by iphy42: 11:36pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
hmmm, see confusion! the soul is eternal in heaven or in hell. |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by greatgenius: 11:47pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
wiegraf:ok waht if i told you there are four colors in total and that you only see two due to your limited perception and as such your inability to see the rest.. would you believe me or call it baloney. |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by Nobody: 11:57pm On Jan 13, 2013 |
Intellectual Nonsense. 1 Like |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by wiegraf: 12:24am On Jan 14, 2013 |
greatgenius: ok waht if i told you there are four colors in total and that [b]you only see two due to your limited perception [/b]and as such your inability to see the rest.. would you believe me or call it baloney. No. So? You could be genuinely seeing 4 colors, doesn't mean there are 4 colors there, it just means you perceive (if you aren't trolling) 4 colors. Again, so? Assuming there really are 4 colors there, have you met color blind people? You know there are people who see light outside the normal spectrum as well, yes? Iirc there are people who can see either uv/or infrared sef, can't remember which. http://discovermagazine.com/2012/jul-aug/06-humans-with-super-human-vision You could have altered your perception through drugs or what not, even permanently. You could simply be insane. etc etc I hope you have more than this to prove whatever point it is you're trying to make... |
Re: Questions For Anony About Souls by wiegraf: 12:30am On Jan 14, 2013 |
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2131608/Claude-Monet-How-famed-artist-ultraviolet-just-like-animals.html This dude, due to an accident, could see ultra violet I hope I'm not supposed to be wowed? |
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