Mr_Anony:
An honest mistake from my ignorance of Vietnam but that doesn't change the point I am making which is that the violence against religion was caused by a promotion of atheism......even in Vietnam





What I have read about him tells me that he was a confucian.

1) Violence in Vietnam was a result of communism and not atheism.


2) Ho chi minh was an atheist.

There is consensus among scholars that, whether or not it is religious, Confucianism is definitively non-theistic. Confucianism is humanistic, and does not involve a belief in the supernatural or in a personal god

I

Logicboy03:



They guy called me a Stalin follower, and when I returned the favour by calling him out on his bigotry, he started playing the victim.

It's confusing I tell ya. Enough to make one swear
http://news.bme.com/2007/03/09/jesus-fucxking-christ/

Mr_Anony:
We both know that you have no case against Christ. I see no part of following Christ that leads to violence and you have failed to show me one.

Path of christ
-Racism towards non-jews/non-isrealites
-flogging and destroying private properties of church merchants
-Allowing a criminal Barrabas to go free while accepting injustice by false accusations and cricifiction.



That is the bad side of christ that you forget, taking only the good.

wiegraf:

It's confusing I tell ya. Enough to make one swear

Remove that pic. This is a new year. Abeg!

Logicboy03:

Remove that pic. This is a new year. Abeg!

Hahahaha

Logicboy03:
Path of christ
-Racism towards non-jews/non-isrealites

Prove this from scripture. Read Matthew 15

-flogging and destroying private properties of church merchants

Says the guy who is also against financial exploitation church members. Read Matthew 21

-Allowing a criminal Barrabas to go free while accepting injustice by false accusations and cricifiction.

Lol, Jesus did that? this shows your ignorance of scripture. Read Mark 15

Logicboy03:


1) Violence in Vietnam was a result of communism and not atheism.


2) Ho chi minh was an atheist.

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You lie. Violence in Vietnam was caused by atheism. Ho Chi Minh had to attend church services in order to bring his cohorts round. Notice he still maintained communism but was concerned about the militant atheist violence.

Also it is a weird kind of atheism where one prays to his ancestors as is the practice of Confucians.

Isn't it ironic that God/bible has been removed from state schools but is allowed in state and federal prisons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR39j1KMOsE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Mr_Anony:
You lie. Violence in Vietnam was caused by atheism. Ho Chi Minh had to attend church services in order to bring his cohorts round. Notice he still maintained communism but was concerned about the militant atheist violence.

Also it is a weird kind of atheism where one prays to his ancestors as is the practice of Confucians.

What in atheism pushed them to kill? Or was it communism?

In christianity, we can point to old testament genocides and violent verses that pushes some christians to kill

In islam, we can point to violent verses and acts in the Quran and hadith that pushes some muslims to kill






Ho Chi Minh was an atheist. You were talking nonsense. Just sharaap




You lost

Logicboy03:
What in atheism pushed them to kill? Or was it communism?

This is a very good question. I'll treat it last.

In christianity, we can point to old testament genocides and violent verses that pushes some christians to kill

Were the old testament Jews followers of Christ? Go find a bible and read.

In islam, we can point to violent verses and acts in the Quran and hadith that pushes some muslims to kill

I'll leave the muslims to respond to this

Ho Chi Minh was an atheist. You were talking nonsense. Just sharaap

Lol, he just happened to be a peculiar atheist who worships his dead ancestors.....I hear you.

You lost

grow up it's 2013 now.

Back to your original question:

What in atheism pushed them to kill? Or was it communism?

Let us start by looking at what it means to be an atheist.
To be an atheist, you must hold a materialist worldview which leads to the view than man is only just matter and he doesn't have a soul. If you hold this view that there is nothing more to a person apart from his/her physical body, the person ceases to be sacred - he is just another animal and therefore not of any greater value than a pig or a donkey - and nothing stops you from treating the person in anyway you like as long as you have the power to do it...after all it is just matter you are dealing with.
Stalin is known to have met with Pavlov and tried to convince him standardize the Russian people in a similar way Pavlov conditioned his dogs. (Aren't humans merely another specie of animal after all?)

What is communism:- Communism is basically sharing of property by a community so that everyone gets access to the same resources as they need and no one gets to hoard resources and capitalize on it at the expense of others. Communism at it's core is based on the premise that all men are equal and therefore they deserve equal treatment and no one should be favoured more than all others. Communism on it's own is a good idea and many villages actually practice some form of communism e.g. farming on communal land and sharing the produce at the end, hunter communities who share their game amongst all the members of the tribe so that those who were unlucky to capture an animal don't starve, communal contribution of money so as to educate their children e.t.c.

Nothing in the philosophy of communism on it's own warrants violence however when combined with a materialist worldview, nothing stops a person from using violence to achieve it.

Atheism provides this material worldview and therefore removes any inhibitions that would otherwise have prevented a man from using ruthless violence to achieve his aim. It also didn't help that being militant atheists, these people saw the church as a threat and moved to destroy it.

Hugo Chavez for instance is a Catholic Communist and so you don't see the same attacks on churches and temples in Venezuela as you see in Atheist China and Atheist Russia.
Ho Chi Minh in the same way in Vietnam saw that the real problem is not communism in itself but the religious intolerance of these atheists and therefore he went out of his way to try and reach out to the church to include them in his government.


I see the exact same religious intolerance when atheists try to dubiously use something like "the separation of church and state" (a good concept in itself) to control and suppress religious freedom as in the case of this little girl.
I see no reason why anyone should have the right to edit a personal poem written in honour of my grandfather. There is nothing that stops the school from not selecting the poem. By forcing that kid to edit her poem, they are implicitly teaching her that there is something wrong with holding certain personal beliefs about God. If this isn't a form of religious oppression, I don't know what is.


I think this response puts it best...

uj_sizzle: Rubbish. If they have a problem with her tribute containing 'God', why did they chose her to read it?
Since when are tributes edited to suit the listeners? It's supposed to come from a person's heart, what they did was wrong.
And yes i would still think it wrong if she had amadioha in there and was asked to exchange it with God.

Mr_Anony:


Were the old testament Jews followers of Christ? Go find a bible and read.

All christians use the old testament. Many just lie about it. Jesus didnt change all the laws of the old testament.

For instance, does Jesus talk about war? Where is the christian going to find rules of war in Jesus's teaching or a direct message about slavery?

The ten commandments? Old testament

Mr_Anony:
Lol, he just happened to be a peculiar atheist who worships his dead ancestors.....I hear you.

I let you run with this lie so that you could embarrass yourself. Do you have proof that Ho Chi Minh worshipped dead ancestors? No.

Your thinking comes from a Western christian misunderstanding of filial piety in Eastern customs.



The question is simple; was Ho Chi Minh an atheist or not?

Mr_Anony:
Let us start by looking at what it means to be an atheist.
To be an atheist, you must hold a materialist worldview which leads to the view than man is only just matter and he doesn't have a soul. If you hold this view that there is nothing more to a person apart from his/her physical body, the person ceases to be sacred - he is just another animal and therefore not of any greater value than a pig or a donkey - and nothing stops you from treating the person in anyway you like as long as you have the power to do it...after all it is just matter you are dealing with.
Stalin is known to have met with Pavlov and tried to convince him standardize the Russian people in a similar way Pavlov conditioned his dogs. (Aren't humans merely another specie of animal after all?)

What is communism:- Communism is basically sharing of property by a community so that everyone gets access to the same resources as they need and no one gets to hoard resources and capitalize on it at the expense of others. Communism at it's core is based on the premise that all men are equal and therefore they deserve equal treatment and no one should be favoured more than all others. Communism on it's own is a good idea and many villages actually practice some form of communism e.g. farming on communal land and sharing the produce at the end, hunter communities who share their game amongst all the members of the tribe so that those who were unlucky to capture an animal don't starve, communal contribution of money so as to educate their children e.t.c.

Nothing in the philosophy of communism on it's own warrants violence however when combined with a materialist worldview, nothing stops a person from using violence to achieve it.

Atheism provides this material worldview and therefore removes any inhibitions that would otherwise have prevented a man from using ruthless violence to achieve his aim. It also didn't help that being militant atheists, these people saw the church as a threat and moved to destroy it.

Hugo Chavez for instance is a Catholic Communist and so you don't see the same attacks on churches and temples in Venezuela as you see in Atheist China and Atheist Russia.
Ho Chi Minh in the same way in Vietnam saw that the real problem is not communism in itself but the religious intolerance of these atheists and therefore he went out of his way to try and reach out to the church to include them in his government.


I see the exact same religious intolerance when atheists try to dubiously use something like "the separation of church and state" (a good concept in itself) to control and suppress religious freedom as in the case of this little girl.
I see no reason why anyone should have the right to edit a personal poem written in honour of my grandfather. There is nothing that stops the school from not selecting the poem. By forcing that kid to edit her poem, they are implicitly teaching her that there is something wrong with holding certain personal beliefs about God. If this isn't a form of religious oppression, I don't know what is.

Everything in bold is a lie.

1) Atheism is not = materialism.

There are atheist that believe in a life force, a connecting energy around us and nature. You will find this in atheistic Asian philosophy of energy of life.

2) Communism is the political ideology of socialism. Socialism is an economic system of putting major resources in the control of the government. Communism is the
political version of that; a classless society where the state is the absolute power. We all know what happens to opposition when absolute power is entrenched in the state.

3) Only a retardeen would say that there is no connection with an ideology like communism with violence but a connection with a stance (i repeat a stance) on the existence of god. Both communism and atheism have nothing that directly calls for violence. The problem is that there are versions of communism and also communism will always be abused by the state because communism is an ideal, it is too idealistic to acheive- a non-corrupt state with near-absolute power?

4) Village communalism is different communism or state communalism.



I studied politics and business. I have told you to stick with your theology

uj_sizzle: Rubbish. If they have a problem with her tribute containing 'God', why did they chose her to read it?
Since when are tributes edited to suit the listeners? It's supposed to come from a person's heart, what they did was wrong.
And yes i would still think it wrong if she had amadioha in there and was asked to exchange it with God.

Two silly questions.

1) From the story, they chose her before the realised it contained god. The chose her because it was her grandfather that was being honoured.

2) The poem was not edited to suit the listeners but to be in line with the law.


Students are free to pray or write about God if they want to in school. There are lots of student prayer groups in school formed by the students themselves. The school however can not enforce and make a religion official if it is a public school.

A-Omega:
A North Carolina elementary school forced a first grade student to change a poem she had written for her grandfather for a Veteran’s Day Event because a line contained the name of God in it.
The student, who attends West Marion Elementary School was selected to read the poem as part of a special school event. Her poem was a tribute to her grandfather, a Vietnam war veteran. The line that caused the controversy said: “He prayed to God for peace, he prayed to God for strength.”

Full Story:
http://beginningandend.com/school-forces-first-grader-to-remove-god-from-poem/

Hmmmmmm!

Logicboy03:

All christians use the old testament. Many just lie about it. Jesus didnt change all the laws of the old testament.

For instance, does Jesus talk about war? Where is the christian going to find rules of war in Jesus's teaching or a direct message about slavery?

The ten commandments? Old testament

I think I remember Jesus telling us to love our enemies (Matthew 5:44)

I let you run with this lie so that you could embarrass yourself. Do you have proof that Ho Chi Minh worshipped dead ancestors? No.

Your thinking comes from a Western christian misunderstanding of filial piety in Eastern customs.

He was a Confucian, Confucians worshiped their ancestors as part of their practice. I don't know what other proof you want.

The question is simple; was Ho Chi Minh an atheist or not?

And mine is just as simple. Was he a Confucian or not?

Everything in bold is a lie.

1) Atheism is not = materialism.

There are atheist that believe in a life force, a connecting energy around us and nature. You will find this in atheistic Asian philosophy of energy of life.

I can see that you are trying to expand your definition of atheism to include the New-age practitioners as well. Goodluck with that. Don't forget to throw in the pagans, the Hindus, the pantheists, and Deists when you have time.

2) Communism is the political ideology of socialism. Socialism is an economic system of putting major resources in the control of the government. Communism is the
political version of that; a classless society where the state is the absolute power. We all know what happens to opposition when absolute power is entrenched in the state.

Yeah we do especially when that power is atheistic.

3) Only a retardeen would say that there is no connection with an ideology like communism with violence but a connection with a stance (i repeat a stance) on the existence of god. Both communism and atheism have nothing that directly calls for violence. The problem is that there are versions of communism and also communism will always be abused by the state because communism is an ideal, it is too idealistic to acheive- a non-corrupt state with near-absolute power?

I would also say that only a blind fanatic will try to airbrush the atrocities committed in the name of his "stance"(that surprisingly has a full-blown agenda by the way).
Notice that you have focused on "absolute power" and not "communism" as the cause of violence. Mind you, monarchies and military autocracies are also about absolute power but they are not necessarily characterized by violence. Violence comes from how the leader's worldiew and how he regards his people; once the leader regards his people as nothing more than mere physical bodies, he loses the sympathy that would have restrained him from oppressing them. That is the point i am making

4) Village communalism is different communism or state communalism.

They are not much different in principle.

I studied politics and business. I have told you to stick with your theology

You have not yet given me reason to be impressed by your political acumen. We are still talking on a very basic level

Mr_Anony:
I think I remember Jesus telling us to love our enemies (Matthew 5:44)

Common sense will tell you that that is foolish advice in times of war or self defense.

Remember the 10 commandments? Old testament.

Mr_Anony:
He was a Confucian, Confucians worshiped their ancestors as part of their practice. I don't know what other proof you want.



And mine is just as simple. Was he a Confucian or not?

Wait, so someone can not be a confucianist and an atheist? Please, look at China before you make another ignorant comment like how you did with your Vietnam Communist atrocities blunder.

I told you that you are coming from a Western christian perspective on filial piety. I will tell you what it is. Respect for elders is paramount and central in confuscianist cultures. My Asian girlfriend goes to her fathers grave and lights incense and meditates. She is an atheist by the way

Why does she then do it?
-She respects the elderly, alive or dead
-Is she praying to a god? No she is honouring the memory of her father
-Is she worshiping her father like god? no.

Now, Iasked you if you had proof of Ho Chi Minh worshipping his ancestors in the context as gods) you are talking about and not the above.

Mr_Anony:
I can see that you are trying to expand your definition of atheism to include the New-age practitioners as well. Goodluck with that. Don't forget to throw in the pagans, the Hindus, the pantheists, and Deists when you have time.

Nicfe try to level accusations and then escape. I am not changing the definition of anything

Atheism is the simple disbelief in god. You can disbelieve in god and still belief in the essence of life all around us. People call it energy and some calle it the force. It is not a god in their philosophy. It is just life

Mr_Anony:
Yeah we do especially when that power is atheistic.

Mr_Anony:
I would also say that only a blind fanatic will try to airbrush the atrocities committed in the name of his "stance"(that surprisingly has a full-blown agenda by the way).
Notice that you have focused on "absolute power" and not "communism" as the cause of violence. Mind you, monarchies and military autocracies are also about absolute power but they are not necessarily characterized by violence. Violence comes from how the leader's worldiew and how he regards his people; once the leader regards his people as nothing more than mere physical bodies, he loses the sympathy that would have restrained him from oppressing them. That is the point i am making

Atheism has a full blown agenda?

You have nothing to say. Stop telling lies


As usual, you dont even read my comments and throw in straw men. Did I not say that communism doesnt directly advocate for violence?

The problem with communism is that it is too idealist. Concentrating power in the state is not necessarily bad but the problem is that absolute power corrupts. People who want to retain that power or use it can unleash massacres with such power, especially when they are threatened.

Mr_Anony:
They are not much different in principle.

They are different. The fundamental difference which you ignore.

Mr_Anony:
You have not yet given me reason to be impressed by your political acumen. We are still talking on a very basic level

lol....how can you be impressed when you dont even know about the thing that you are supposed to be impressed about in the first place?

Mr_Anony:
This is a very good question. I'll treat it last.


Were the old testament Jews followers of Christ? Go find a bible and read.


I'll leave the muslims to respond to this


Lol, he just happened to be a peculiar atheist who worships his dead ancestors.....I hear you.


grow up it's 2013 now.

Back to your original question:

Let us start by looking at what it means to be an atheist.
To be an atheist, you must hold a materialist worldview which leads to the view than man is only just matter and he doesn't have a soul. If you hold this view that there is nothing more to a person apart from his/her physical body, the person ceases to be sacred - he is just another animal and therefore not of any greater value than a pig or a donkey - and nothing stops you from treating the person in anyway you like as long as you have the power to do it...after all it is just matter you are dealing with.
Stalin is known to have met with Pavlov and tried to convince him standardize the Russian people in a similar way Pavlov conditioned his dogs. (Aren't humans merely another specie of animal after all?)

What is communism:- Communism is basically sharing of property by a community so that everyone gets access to the same resources as they need and no one gets to hoard resources and capitalize on it at the expense of others. Communism at it's core is based on the premise that all men are equal and therefore they deserve equal treatment and no one should be favoured more than all others. Communism on it's own is a good idea and many villages actually practice some form of communism e.g. farming on communal land and sharing the produce at the end, hunter communities who share their game amongst all the members of the tribe so that those who were unlucky to capture an animal don't starve, communal contribution of money so as to educate their children e.t.c.

Nothing in the philosophy of communism on it's own warrants violence however when combined with a materialist worldview, nothing stops a person from using violence to achieve it.

Atheism provides this material worldview and therefore removes any inhibitions that would otherwise have prevented a man from using ruthless violence to achieve his aim. It also didn't help that being militant atheists, these people saw the church as a threat and moved to destroy it.

Hugo Chavez for instance is a Catholic Communist and so you don't see the same attacks on churches and temples in Venezuela as you see in Atheist China and Atheist Russia.
Ho Chi Minh in the same way in Vietnam saw that the real problem is not communism in itself but the religious intolerance of these atheists and therefore he went out of his way to try and reach out to the church to include them in his government.


I see the exact same religious intolerance when atheists try to dubiously use something like "the separation of church and state" (a good concept in itself) to control and suppress religious freedom as in the case of this little girl.
I see no reason why anyone should have the right to edit a personal poem written in honour of my grandfather. There is nothing that stops the school from not selecting the poem. By forcing that kid to edit her poem, they are implicitly teaching her that there is something wrong with holding certain personal beliefs about God. If this isn't a form of religious oppression, I don't know what is.


I think this response puts it best...

Classy anony stays classy. Such elegant, logical thinking as usual

Logicboy03:

Common sense will tell you that that is foolish advice in times of war or self defense.

Remember the 10 commandments? Old testament.

Common sense would equally have told you that if everyone adhered to it, there would be no wars to start with

Wait, so someone can not be a confucianist and an atheist? Please, look at China before you make another ignorant comment like how you did with your Vietnam Communist atrocities blunder.

I told you that you are coming from a Western christian perspective on filial piety. I will tell you what it is. Respect for elders is paramount and central in confuscianist cultures. My Asian girlfriend goes to her fathers grave and lights incense and meditates. She is an atheist by the way

Why does she then do it?
-She respects the elderly, alive or dead
-Is she praying to a god? No she is honouring the memory of her father
-Is she worshiping her father like god? no.

Now, Iasked you if you had proof of Ho Chi Minh worshipping his ancestors in the context as gods) you are talking about and not the above.

Lol, so your girlfriend believes that her ancestors are watching over her in the afterlife and she burns incense to them and asks them for guidance - because that is exactly what it ancestor worship signifies - It is non-theistic in the sense that she is not worshiping a "god" but it is definitely not atheistic.

How does she reconcile this with her so called atheism? Since she believes that invisible beings exist, how can she logically convince herself that God does not exist?

Nicfe try to level accusations and then escape. I am not changing the definition of anything

Atheism is the simple disbelief in god. You can disbelieve in god and still belief in the essence of life all around us. People call it energy and some calle it the force. It is not a god in their philosophy. It is just life

Lol, not long ago, I remember asking you to define the god you claim to reject but you shied away from it. So those who call God a primordial energy are now atheists to you? Lol...........are you sure you even know what atheism is?

Atheism has a full blown agenda?

You have nothing to say. Stop telling lies

...says the guy with the 2013 atheist agenda. Lolololol

As usual, you dont even read my comments and throw in straw men. Did I not say that communism doesnt directly advocate for violence?

My apologies, it appears we agree on that point

The problem with communism is that it is too idealist. Concentrating power in the state is not necessarily bad but the problem is that absolute power corrupts. People who want to retain that power or use it can unleash massacres with such power, especially when they are threatened.

"Too idealist" is a very weak description and can be applied to nearly any movement/-ism in town. My thesis on the massacres still holds.

They are different. The fundamental difference which you ignore.

Which are?

lol....how can you be impressed when you dont even know about the thing that you are supposed to be impressed about in the first place?

Contrary to popular opinion, I am really not that hard to impress. I would have really been impressed if you hadn't been quoting wikipedia just like me when we talked about Ho Chi Minh. You haven't really said anything that made me go "wow, I didn't know that!"

Mr_Anony:
Common sense would equally have told you that if everyone adhered to it, there would be no wars to start with

Ehem......people had wars before Jesus.

Err....self defense nko?

Mr_Anony:
Lol, so your girlfriend believes that her ancestors are watching over her [/b]in the afterlife and she burns incense to them and [b]asks them for guidance - because that is exactly what it ancestor worship signifies - It is non-theistic in the sense that she is not worshiping a "god" but it is definitely not atheistic.

How does she reconcile this with her so called atheism? Since she believes that invisible beings exist, how can she logically convince herself that God does not exist?

Please Anony, explain how you got those two things in bold from what I said? Are you deliberately throwing straw men or just tired of arguing?


Why do you use such deceitful tactics?


My GF doesnt pray to her ancestors. She honours their memory just like an nanniversary and then meditates. She doesnt believe in some supernatural guidance from them

Mr_Anony:
Lol, not long ago, I remember asking you to define the god you claim to reject but you shied away from it. So those who call God a primordial energy are now atheists to you? Lol...........are you sure you even know what atheism is?

There are those who believe in God as a life energy

There are those who believe in a life energy without God.

Simple things escape you.


Try again. You keep failing.

Mr_Anony:
...says the guy with the 2013 atheist agenda. Lolololol

Oh yes, you caught me red-handed!

Seriously? That is my atheist agenda...logicboy's agenda, it hold no sway on what another atheist feels.

Mr_Anony:
My apologies, it appears we agree on that point


"Too idealist" is a very weak description and can be applied to nearly any movement/-ism in town. My thesis on the massacres still holds.

I like how you ignored the part about absilute power.

Mr_Anony:
Which are?

Read for yourself. Google is there. I am getting tired of correcting your ignorance.

Mr_Anony:
Contrary to popular opinion, I am really not that hard to impress. I would have really been impressed if you hadn't been quoting wikipedia just like me when we talked about Ho Chi Minh. You haven't really said anything that made me go "wow, I didn't know that!"

Yawn....after making a blunder on Vietnam, you are one to talk

Logicboy03:

Ehem......people had wars before Jesus.

Err....self defense nko?

Who will you need to defend yourself against if your enemy already loves you?

Please Anony, explain how you got those two things in bold from what I said? Are you deliberately throwing straw men or just tired of arguing?


Why do you use such deceitful tactics?


My GF doesnt pray to her ancestors. She honours their memory just like an nanniversary and then meditates. She doesnt believe in some supernatural guidance from them

Exactly what I outlined is what the Confucians do when they venerate their ancestors. They literally pray to them. It is either she is doing that or she is doing something else other than ancestor worship.

There are those who believe in God as a life energy

There are those who believe in a life energy without God.

Simple things escape you.


Try again. You keep failing.

Lol, read yourself again.

Oh yes, you caught me red-handed!

Seriously? That is my atheist agenda...logicboy's agenda, it hold no sway on what another atheist feels.

In that case your atheism is not merely a stance then.

I like how you ignored the part about absilute power.

Scroll up and read what I said about a couple of posts back

Read for yourself. Google is there. I am getting tired of correcting your ignorance.

Oh shut up already





Yawn....after making a blunder on Vietnam, you are one to talk

Logicboy03:

Ehem......people had wars before Jesus.

Err....self defense nko?

Who will you need to defend yourself against if your enemy already loves you?

Please Anony, explain how you got those two things in bold from what I said? Are you deliberately throwing straw men or just tired of arguing?


Why do you use such deceitful tactics?


My GF doesnt pray to her ancestors. She honours their memory just like an nanniversary and then meditates. She doesnt believe in some supernatural guidance from them

Exactly what I outlined is what the Confucians do when they venerate their ancestors. They literally pray to them. It is either she is doing that or she is doing something else other than ancestor worship.

There are those who believe in God as a life energy

There are those who believe in a life energy without God.

Simple things escape you.


Try again. You keep failing.

Lol, read yourself again. Basically what you've just said is that there are those who believe in X call it God and there are those who believe in X but don't call it God. Lol, it appears your problem is not the belief, your problem is with the name. Lol, are you sure you know the God you claim to reject?

Oh yes, you caught me red-handed!

Seriously? That is my atheist agenda...logicboy's agenda, it hold no sway on what another atheist feels.

In that case your atheism is not merely a stance then.

I like how you ignored the part about absilute power.

Scroll up and read what I said about a couple of posts back

Read for yourself. Google is there. I am getting tired of correcting your ignorance.

Oh shut up already, either you can show it or you can't

Yawn....after making a blunder on Vietnam, you are one to talk

Lol, and you corrected my blunder with your very impressive wikipedia knowledge...lololol

It's over Anony.


This is how you behave when there is no room for escape.


Ho Chi Minh was an atheist. You couldnt escape and so you tried to put confuscianism as something that is theistic and not atheistic. I blocked your argument by showin you how my Asian atheist girlfroend who is also confuscianist does her respects to her ancestors. You then try to shift the argument that ancestor worship is something else.

Whatever it is, many confuscianists that I know are atheists and Ho Minh was an atheist. End of story




As for your nonsense on communism. I have explained. You can keep calling atheism whatever you like.

Logicboy03: It's over Anony.


This is how you behave when there is no room for escape.


Ho Chi Minh was an atheist. You couldnt escape and so you tried to put confuscianism as something that is theistic and not atheistic. I blocked your argument by showin you how my Asian atheist girlfroend who is also confuscianist does her respects to her ancestors. You then try to shift the argument that ancestor worship is something else.

Whatever it is, many confuscianists that I know are atheists and Ho Minh was an atheist. End of story




As for your nonsense on communism. I have explained. You can keep calling atheism whatever you like.

I am sorry but I am now beginning to wonder if you even know what atheism is. The moment you claim that a confucianist who part of his belief is ancestor worship is also an atheist, you lose credibility.

The funny part is we have digressed from the discussion which outlines the religious intolerance and violence of your godless brothers against religion. You are now trying to redefine atheism so as to make it wide enough to accommodate a few religions and hopefully blur it's meaning.

Lol, I can't tell you how much you amuse me.

Mr_Anony:
I am sorry but I am now beginning to wonder if you even know what atheism is. The moment you claim that a confucianist who part of his belief is ancestor worship is also an atheist, you lose credibility.

The funny part is we have digressed from the discussion which outlines the religious intolerance and violence of your godless brothers against religion. You are now trying to redefine atheism so as to make it wide enough to accommodate a few religions and hopefully blur it's meaning.

Lol, I can't tell you how much you amuse me.

Is confuscianism a theistic religion?

Are there confuscianists in China that identify as atheists?


Does ancestor worship always mean worshipping ancestors and not respecting the dead?



You know you are wrong and you are trying to save face. Sagamite style.

OPPA SAGA STYLE

Logicboy03:



Is confuscianism a theistic religion?

Are there confuscianists in China that identify as atheists?


Does ancestor worship always mean worshipping ancestors and not respecting the dead?

I think we have settled the issue that it is "non-theist" in the sense that they don't pray to a particular god/deity but their ancestors serve the function of gods for them in the sense that they believe that the spirits of their ancestors watch over them. How do you reconcile this with your atheism?

You know you are wrong and you are trying to save face. Sagamite style.

OPPA SAGA STYLE

yawn.....