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Re: France Helps Mali To Fight Rebels by PAGAN9JA(m): 3:50pm On Jan 13, 2013
ayd91:
chavez and Ahmadinajad? Come on, its a crime against humanity to compare this two icons.
Free and fair election in Iran? Please paste your source.
Venezuela doesn't seem oppressive to moi.

chavez is a dictator ruling a state of druglords.
Re: France Helps Mali To Fight Rebels by ayd91(m): 4:07pm On Jan 13, 2013
PAGAN 9JA:


chavez is a dictator ruling a state of druglords.
while Ahmadinajad is a missile making dude?
Lol for international politics o.
To be frank i have been disillusioned by the West and i don't subscribe to any other (too much deception)..
Re: France Helps Mali To Fight Rebels by Litmus: 4:51pm On Jan 13, 2013
Why isn't electricity powered Super power Ghana taking full control of this Mali debacle ? undecided
Re: France Helps Mali To Fight Rebels by Yewe2011(m): 7:25pm On Jan 13, 2013
PAGAN 9JA:


yes but there are also many Bella (Touareg slaves/half-breds), Fula, and Songhay volunteers also in these Rebel groups.

not to forget arabs from libya,algeria,etc.

I absolutely agree.

The situation is probably a bit complex to understand for those who don't have a general history of what has been happening in the country for the last 30 years and those who haven't been following the rebellion from the start.
Re: France Helps Mali To Fight Rebels by PAGAN9JA(m): 7:37pm On Jan 13, 2013
yes thats right.
Re: France Helps Mali To Fight Rebels by panafrican(m): 9:23pm On Jan 13, 2013
Symphony007: Why is france so committed to it's former colonies while the united kingdom is so alof!! The french helped the cameronians against us during the bakassi debacle but the brits stood aside.

The British did not bomb african palaces to install puppet rulers, whereas France did that in Cote d'Ivoire.
The British were not involved in the assassination of Thomas Sankara the young leftist ruler of Burkina Faso ( killed on October 15, 1987)
As far as cameroon is concerned ask the Bamileke people. They were slaughtered in thousands in the 1950 France.
This being said What is happening right now in Mali is another oil war. The French are just helping Touareg people chase those Ansar Dine jihadists. Once radical muslims are out, there will be a UN resolution recognizing the autonomy of AZAWAD, then the Independance of this territory. In return France will get 99.99 % of oil contrat in Azawad.
Re: France Helps Mali To Fight Rebels by onatisi(m): 11:49pm On Jan 13, 2013
panafrican:

The British did not bomb african palaces to install puppet rulers, whereas France did that in Cote d'Ivoire.
The British were not involved in the assassination of Thomas Sankara the young leftist ruler of Burkina Faso ( killed on October 15, 1987)
As far as cameroon is concerned ask the Bamileke people. They were slaughtered in thousands in the 1950 France.
This being said What is happening right now in Mali is another oil war. The French are just helping Touareg people chase those Ansar Dine jihadists. Once radical muslims are out, there will be a UN resolution recognizing the autonomy of AZAWAD, then the Independance of this territory. In return France will get 99.99 % of oil contrat in Azawad.
splendid .wonderful plan by the french .i hope it works
Re: France Helps Mali To Fight Rebels by PAGAN9JA(m): 12:00am On Jan 14, 2013
panafrican:

The British did not bomb african palaces to install puppet rulers, whereas France did that in Cote d'Ivoire.
The British were not involved in the assassination of Thomas Sankara the young leftist ruler of Burkina Faso ( killed on October 15, 1987)
As far as cameroon is concerned ask the Bamileke people. They were slaughtered in thousands in the 1950 France.
This being said What is happening right now in Mali is another oil war. The French are just helping Touareg people chase those Ansar Dine jihadists. Once radical muslims are out, there will be a UN resolution recognizing the autonomy of AZAWAD, then the Independance of this territory. In return France will get 99.99 % of oil contrat in Azawad.


The Touareg like the desert nomads of The Arabian Gulf will then go into an era of prosperity and wealth. By the Gods they deserve it. they have sufferred too long. i have foreseen this. if it does happen. lets see. .
Re: France Helps Mali To Fight Rebels by Litmus: 12:02am On Jan 14, 2013
Concerning the Racist aspect of the Turage

Extract:


A Songhai refugee from Gao confirmed that the Islamists gathered significant support from the local population, and spoke of a lingering resentment against the Tuaregs. “First the Tuaregs came and they beat people,” he said, adding “The Islamists saved the population in the North before they turned against us. They fought the Tuaregs, that is how they got the trust of the population. After that they did some terrible things.”

By sidelining the MNLA, the refugee said, the Islamists gained significant traction — particularly amongst the Songhai and the Bella who felt that the peace deal signed by the Tuaregs and the Malian government in 1995 gave disproportionate powers to the former, “The Malian government gave everything to the Tuaregs. Some Tuareg doesn’t write, doesn’t read but they get a great post in the government or army,” he said.



http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/mali-battle-reveals-islamists-riding-over-ethnic-faultlines/article4304915.ece
Re: France Helps Mali To Fight Rebels by PAGAN9JA(m): 12:20am On Jan 14, 2013
Litmus: Concerning the Racist aspect of the Turage

Extract:


A Songhai refugee from Gao confirmed that the Islamists gathered significant support from the local population, and spoke of a lingering resentment against the Tuaregs. “First the Tuaregs came and they beat people,” he said, adding “The Islamists saved the population in the North before they turned against us. They fought the Tuaregs, that is how they got the trust of the population. After that they did some terrible things.”

By sidelining the MNLA, the refugee said, the Islamists gained significant traction — particularly amongst the Songhai and the Bella who felt that the peace deal signed by the Tuaregs and the Malian government in 1995 gave disproportionate powers to the former, “The Malian government gave everything to the Tuaregs. Some Tuareg doesn’t write, doesn’t read but they get a great post in the government or army,” he said.





http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/mali-battle-reveals-islamists-riding-over-ethnic-faultlines/article4304915.ece


how is that racist. I know Touareg. they do not mistreat their slaves who are considered like family. these days most bella are conisdered full TOuareg. infact the only TOuareg King today is of Bella/mixed descent.
Re: France Helps Mali To Fight Rebels by Blyss: 4:11am On Jan 14, 2013
PAGAN 9JA:


how is that racist. I know Touareg. they do not mistreat their slaves who are considered like family. these days most bella are conisdered full TOuareg. infact the only TOuareg King today is of Bella/mixed descent.

This is sick. You are actually sitting here supporting the use of institutionalized slavery?

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Re: France Helps Mali To Fight Rebels by panafrican(m): 4:12am On Jan 14, 2013
PAGAN 9JA:


how is that racist. I know Touareg. they do not mistreat their slaves who are considered like family.
What era do you live in? in 14013 or what? talking about someone treating well his slaves as if slavery was normal. You know, with backward people like that, Europeans will still have golden days ahead in Africa, "civilizing" naked feet like these desert tea drinkers called Tuareg.
Why don't you go to Algeria or Marocco?
What a shame.

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Re: France Helps Mali To Fight Rebels by PAGAN9JA(m): 6:33am On Jan 14, 2013
panafrican: What era do you live in? in 14013 or what? talking about someone treating well his slaves as if slavery was normal. You know, with backward people like that, Europeans will still have golden days ahead in Africa, "civilizing" naked feet like these desert tea drinkers called Tuareg.
Why don't you go to Algeria or Marocco?
What a shame.

I have been there. African slavery is different from western slavery. i think you better come there and see for yourself.

Im not defending slavery but to call Touaregs racist, you must be out of your mind.
Re: France Helps Mali To Fight Rebels by Litmus: 7:17pm On Jan 14, 2013
After the Nigerian intervention in Liberia and Sierra Leone, regardless of one's personal view of the outcome, it seemed to cause a reverberation in the International Community. Here was Africa dealing with its own problems,threatening a trend that could see Africa assert its independence from infantile reliance on the West. Consequently praise was mealy-mouthed, there seemed a real fear instead of encouragement for Nigeria, and the entire unprecedented response ended with Britain rushing in troops to Sierra Leone, after young Nigerian soldiers had given their lives, to take the plaudits for bringing the war to an end.

After this, it was with amazement that some of us witnessed America's unseemly haste to establish regional forces in Mali and one other country capable of undermining Nigeria's growing authority in the region. America was going to train the military of these African countries to such a high level Nigeria would never again be needed or relied upon to intervene in any other regional conflict, thus ending her (Nigeria) influence.

Anyway it was with interest if not satisfaction that i read the following extract:


American policy in Mali and the surrounding region is currently in pieces. Washington considered its own direct intervention last summer, but decided it was too risky. The previous US approach, to build up Mali's army as a bulwark against al-Qaida, Ansar al-Dine and other Islamist groups, backfired spectacularly when leading US-mentored commanders went over to the rebels, taking arms and equipment with them, after another of American trainee, Captain Amadou Sanogo, led a coup in Bamako last March.

"I was sorely disappointed that a military with whom we had a training relationship participated in the military overthrow of an elected government," General Carter Ham, head of the US Africa Command, responded sadly. "There is no way to characterise that other than wholly unacceptable." A Malian officer was blunter. "It was a disaster," he told the New York Times.


See article in its original context here: [url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/14/france-lonely-intervention-mali [/url]
Re: France Helps Mali To Fight Rebels by PAGAN9JA(m): 8:04am On Jan 15, 2013
Tuareg rebels ready to help French forces in Mali

Ethnic Tuareg separatists are ready to support the French military intervention in Mali by taking on Islamist rebels on the ground in the north of the country, one of their senior officials told AFP on Monday.

"We're ready to help, we are already involved in the fight against terrorism," Moussa Ag Assarid, a representative of the Azawad National Liberation Movement (MNLA), said by telephone from northern Mali.

"We can do the job on the ground. We've got men, arms and, above all, the desire to rid Azawad of terrorism."

The MNLA, which is seeking a Tuareg homeland in much of the north of Mali, an area it calls Azawad, has played a major role in Mali's troubled recent history.

A rebellion launched in January 2012 triggered a military coup in the capital Bamako two months later, creating the political vacuum that enabled Islamist groups to seize control of the north.

The MNLA initially allied itself to the Islamist groups but soon found themselves sidelined as an extreme form of Islamic law was imposed across an area larger than France.

Considerably weakened, the movement began peace negotiations with the Malian authorities in December and dropped its demand for independence in favour of a request for self-rule.

On Sunday, the organisation warned the Malian army not to push into the north of the country without a prior political agreement on autonomy.

Because of the defeats it imposed on the Malian army at the start of 2012, the Tuaregs are concerned about a possible settling of scores if government troops regain control of the north on the back of the French bombing campaign.

"We don't want to see the Malian army in Azawad without a prior accord between the two parties," said Assarid. "We are ready for talks aimed at finding a solution."

The MNLA official was speaking from Tinzawatane in the far north of Mali, where the movement has been in congress for the last few days.
Re: France Helps Mali To Fight Rebels by Blyss: 12:14am On Jan 17, 2013
PAGAN 9JA:


I have been there. African slavery is different from western slavery. i think you better come there and see for yourself.

Im not defending slavery but to call Touaregs racist, you must be out of your mind.

This is a disgrace.
Re: France Helps Mali To Fight Rebels by PAGAN9JA(m): 1:43pm On Jan 17, 2013
Blyss:

This is a disgrace.


you akatas are a disgrace. poking you nose in our affairs.

The Touareg are our brothers and sisters, unlike you akatas.
Re: France Helps Mali To Fight Rebels by Nobody: 5:53am On Jan 22, 2013
This man is my hero, he said it all, i hope more people will hear it, and decide to stop being oppressed always by the same motherfvckers
we need a revolution to stop all this, abeg people must wake up. I ll look for a vid with english subtitles


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW9kWe3MI-M

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