seanet01: Rossike i think you are missing the point.
In 1989, Iran was just generating just 7800 which leaves a shortfall of 2000 according to their needs then.
But Between 1989 and 2009, Iranian Power generation has risen to 45000MW, A MASSIVE difference of almost 35000MW within 20 years.
However PDP that has been in Power for over 16 years cannot add 3000MW to the national grid.
That is what am trying to iron out here not sullying Africans which is a phobia for you.
So in 2015 PDP must go at all cost.

taharqa: Another STU.PID thread. I dont care any one telling me how bad things was in Nigeria in terms of Power, I already knew that; I care about what THIS admin is doing to fixing the problem. I care that GEJ inherited an unstable Public Power system that only wheeled about 2000MW, but has stabilised it to about 4500MW (that's over 100% increase in more than 2yrs)- and dat is not considering that Nigeria actuali hv d Capacity to produce about 6700MW today but for Transmission and Distribution concerns. I care that additional 2700MW capacity wud be added to the Grid this year once the remaining 10 NIPP new Power plants are completed (and they wud be completed this year). I care that the over 3000MW Mambilla and Jebba Dam Hydropower, which oda Govts hv been promising for decades without even doing a proper Feasibility Study, are NOW bn CONSTRUCTED by Chinese Loans. I care that hundreds of Transmission/Distribution Lines and substations are been done simultaneously through out the country, just as Gas lines are bn repaired and laid/expanded. I care that the country is currently seeing through what d Harvard Business Study have called 'the single largest Power Privatisation and Reform' in Africa (if not the world); and I KNOW that it wud most certainly change the face of the Power sector in Nigeria once the process concludes in less than 3 months, just as the face of Telecoms was changed foreva in Nigeria afta the Liberalisation/Privatisation Process, which made the nation to not only be consistently amongst the fastest growing Telecoms market in d world but also took the No of Active Lines from about 400, 000 to over 119,000,000 today significantly outpacing those nations that were way ahead of us pre-2005.

berem: can you imagine the billions of naira spent just to generate less than 5000 megawatts? smh for this country!

shymexx: Interesting...

All monies allocated to electricity have been used to buy ferraris, bentleys, RRs etc. and build mansions by rich naija folks and their kids in Lagos and Abuja...

seanet01: You see why i normally referred to you as a VILLAGE MONKEY?
Where in this thread have you seen somebody mentioned GEJ?
There is no reason for that, once we fingered PDP as the irresponsible government it is, every member of that shameless Party comes into fold.
In Sixteen solid years of PDP led Federal governance, Nigeria have not been able to add just 3000MW to the national grid despite spending billions of dollars on The sector.
Iran within 20 years added 35000MW to its national grid despite being under MASSIVE SANCTIONS.
That is our point not GEJ. GEJ is PDP.
So carry your immature and senseless crap to your village.

taharqa: You are Really CRAZZY, I swear. GEJ, who is driving the above moves that wud completely SOLVE our Power problems, is still in PDP the last time I cheeked; now why wud you expect me or any sane person for that matter, to throw HIM away even if I thoroughly dislike d PDP?? Ehmm, how? In any case, what is d alternative? Your precious ACN or is it APC now? Shld I root for them NOW when d problem is been Solved, esp when one of d chief drivers therein (Oga Buhari) was reported to have said in 2011 that we wud hv 24/7 Power in 2019 if he was in Power? If true, why wud you advice me to give away what is capable of finali solving a notoriously recurring MALIGNANT problem, just to try anoda who only promised me solution in a time period I consider too long?? Plz, I will Pass and stick with what I hv now whilst doing every thing I can to make THIS work; you on oda hand, abeg PACK...

Rosike:
Tell me something. Are you aware that a harsh, dictatorial state is by nature a form of corruption?

They steal your rights.

They steal your liberty.

They steal your voice.

They steal your freedom of religion.

They steal your freedom of association.

They steal your freedom of opinion.

In exchange they give you 24/7 light and cheap food.

So there IS A PRICE.

Don't come here brandishing Iran's achievements without telling the people the price Iranians paid for it.

ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY THE SAME PRICE IN NIGERIA?

IF NOT, THEN DON'T MENTION IRAN.

taharqa: You are Really CRAZZY, I swear. GEJ, who is driving the above moves that wud completely SOLVE our Power problems, is still in PDP the last time I cheeked; now why wud you expect me or any sane person for that matter, to throw HIM away even if I thoroughly dislike d PDP?? Ehmm, how? In any case, what is d alternative? Your precious ACN or is it APC now? Shld I root for them NOW when d problem is been Solved, esp when one of d chief drivers therein (Oga Buhari) was reported to have said in 2011 that we wud hv 24/7 Power in 2019 if he was in Power? If true, why wud you advice me to give away what is capable of finali solving a notoriously recurring MALIGNANT problem, just to try anoda who only promised me solution in a time period I consider too long?? Plz, I will Pass and stick with what I hv now whilst doing every thing I can to make THIS work; you on oda hand, abeg PACK...

seanet01: The Buhari you are bringing into this is a trillion miles ahead of Both GEJ and PDP.
Before Buhari came on board on as Head of State, Nigeria was importing Refined Crude Oil, when he came on board he changed the tide and Nigeria was exporting 100,000 barrels of Refined Crude Oil till he left office. That is Governance not the chop make i chop system PDP is using.
Thunder Fire you flat head for your stvpidity.

seanet01: You dunderhead think Nigerians are fools like your entire lineage?
The last time we checked GEJ budget almost a BILLION NAIRA TO POWER ASO ROCK GENERATORS, so what crap is you ape talking about?
Power generation has dropped to just above 3000 yet you ediot is here proclaiming Gej as a performer, what a clown you are.
Again, Thunder Fire You.

taharqa: Buhari never built a single refinery when he was Head of State, at least none that I know of. Cud you name any of such refineries?? Abeg I like Oga Buhari, dont lie with his name...

seanet01: Rossike i think you are missing the point.
In 1989, Iran was just generating just 7800 which leaves a shortfall of 2000 according to their needs then.
But Between 1989 and 2009, Iranian Power generation has risen to 45000MW, A MASSIVE difference of almost 35000MW within 20 years.
However PDP that has been in Power for over 16 years cannot add 3000MW to the national grid.
That is what am trying to iron out here not sullying Africans which is a phobia for you.
So in 2015 PDP must go at all cost.

ROSSIKE:

If PDP, out of a desire to develop Nigeria overnight, does what the Ayatollahs did, by crushing all opposition, crushing all debate, crushing freedom of assembly, expression, religion, crushing equal representation, murdering dissidents and journalists, crushing the rights of women, etc etc would you subscribe? YES OR NO. IF NOT, THEN DON'T MENTION IRAN.

I repeat, you cannot just mention the SWEET PART and leave out the unsavoury portion where it concerns countries like Iran, Cuba, China etc - countries which seemed to have developed overnight. TELL US THE PRICE THEY PAID. Else you're being intellectually dishonest.

Second, your timeline for Iran generating power vis a vis Nigeria is irrelevant insofar as it can be shown (as I have done) that Iran began self government nearly a century before Nigeria, and so has had more time to develop her infrastructure and state institutions etc etc. So there is no basis for comparison.

seanet01: Another reason why you are nothing but a senseless and a myopic simpleton.
Did Buhari need to Build new refineries before he improved the Refined Crude Oil capacity of Nigeria?
Fact was when he took over as Head of State, he met refineries in a complete state of Comatose riddled by many years of stark corruption by previous governments.
But being a man after the welfare of Nigerians, he found a way to put the Oil refineries in total shape and thereafter they were producing at 100%, i repeat 100% capacity utilization thereby allowing Nigeria to have enough refined Petroleum products for Local consumption and EXPORT.
I know your brain is too shallow to process this.
But you can afford to keep shut if you have nothing to say than this crap.

seanet01: This is a Thread i will ensure i keep alive till 2015. Nigerians need to have their brains refreshed so as to vote out this PDP.
this is just too shameful

taharqa: Two Refineries, Warri and Kaduna (part), were planned and constructd bw 1976 and 1982 unda OBJ and Shagari; they were NEW plants. They were not comatose nor where the stiffled by corruption.... You seem not to hv realisd whom you think you are exchanging words with. You shld hv known by now that its wise to try to be careful while attempting to debate 'Facts' with sm persons, esp when you don't know what d fuvk you are talking about..

seanet01: O boy, you are nothing but a Consistent Liar. So because it was constructed just 4 or 5 years before Buhari came on board they were not comatose?
What a dunce?
Even the omotosho power plant constructed by PDP just about 5 years is now almost comatose.
Una no get brain walahi.

seanet01: O boy, you are nothing but a Consistent Liar. So because it was constructed just 4 or 5 years before Buhari came on board they were not comatose?
What a dunce?
Even the omotosho power plant constructed by PDP just about 5 years is now almost comatose.
Una no get brain walahi.

hercules07:

Please ask him who was the petroleum minister under OBJ.

ROSSIKE:

If PDP, out of a desire to develop Nigeria overnight, does what the Ayatollahs did, by crushing all opposition, crushing all debate, crushing freedom of assembly, expression, religion, crushing equal representation, murdering dissidents and journalists, crushing the rights of women, etc etc would you subscribe? YES OR NO. IF NOT, THEN DON'T MENTION IRAN.

I repeat, you cannot just mention the SWEET PART and leave out the unsavoury portion where it concerns countries like Iran, Cuba, China, Libya etc - countries which seemed to have developed overnight. TELL US THE PRICE THEY PAID FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT. Else you're being intellectually dishonest. Are we willing to pay the same price in Nigeria? NO. Therefore development will be less swift and speedy than Iran. A democratic system means more debate. More disagreement. Multiple interests among stakeholders in all issues. Projects take longer. There is more opportunity for corruption and waste. Boko Haram giving you problems? Sorry, you can't just go and level the whole Maiduguri, as would happen in Iran or Libya. You have to have a measured response. Dialogue, intelligence, infiltration would be your fighting tools. Therefore the problem will take longer to resolve... etc etc.

We have decided to take this path because we as a people are not willing to live under an Ayatollah type or Cuban type dictatorship, no matter the benefits. India is similar to Nigeria. They could go the China route if they wished, and become a first world nation in 10 years. But the Indians have decided they cannot tolerate a Chinese-type dictatorship, hence a more slow moving, corruption-prone democracy which is yielding fruits and dividends, but only slowly, while protecting peoples' rights. So they might get there in 30 years. This is what we're doing in Nigeria. So comparing us to Iran makes no sense.

Second, your timeline for Iran generating power vis a vis Nigeria is irrelevant insofar as it can be shown (as I have done) that Iran began self government nearly a century before Nigeria, and so has had more time to develop her infrastructure and state institutions etc etc. So there is no basis for comparison. Iran's 1989 is Nigeria's 2013. If you've been following developments in the power sector you'd know that we are on the verge of a huge expansion in power output similar to what Iran experienced between 1989 and 2009.

Zechy09: @ ROSSIKE, you sound like someone that is very exposed. I have tried to use your argument in many settings in Nigeria but most times they look at me as stupid. This mind set is what you get from exposure!
People want overnight change not knowing that democracy does not offer that anywhere in the world.
China, Iran, Libya etc have a similar kind of govt so they can wake up in the morning and decide to embark on a project costing $1B and nobody can question that. Can you remember that many of the flyovers in Lagos were built in military era? this is because one man makes all decisions. The same people shouting Buhari everyday don't realise that he had absolute powers as HOS but now every decision will be delibrated by NASS and that will take 3 months before it is handed to office of due process which will take another 3 months etc. These things lead to slow pace developement but they are good for democracy.

People think that we are in military where you can give power station contracts without due process, if you could do that, then we would get everything under 2yrs. If NEPA people threaten strike, they will be locked up or beaten up.
People need to understand democracy!

0lumide: ROSSICK or whatever your name is, you should be ashamed of yourself because I'm sure your family is.

What of South Africa that got independence in 1990? 30 years after Nigeria? Are they under a draconian rule too?

Are you mad? Are freaking insane? What kind of nonsense are spitting here? Fuckin gayy ass PDP/GEJ buttt licker!!

OMG!! I can't believe your defense of PDP administrations was to say Iran is under a "draconian" rule? A draconian rule? Are you for real?

You are a dunce guy!! Your family is probably ashamed of you.. Traitor!

Angola is also under a draconian rule? Kenya is under a draconian rule? Zambia is under a draconian rule? Brazil is under a draconian rule? Venezuela is under a draconian rule?

ROSSIKE: You really are ignorant. Go back and read all I've typed on this thread regarding south Africa. Not sure why you're listing Zambia, Brazil Angola,, Venezuela etc. Those places have serious power issues as well. I'll just put your rant down to poor exposure and lack of research/reading, and possibly low IQ.

ballabriggs:


Do you have any empirical evidence to support your assertions or is it another spurious relationship between development and freedom? I'm not saying you are wrong, however, there is hardly any empirical evidence to support such assertions.

Malaysia and Singapore are good cases of democratic developing countries that have witnessed transformation within a short while. Congo DR on the other hand is a dictatorship that has not seen such transformation. So how do you reconcile both?

ROSSIKE: Actually Congo is not a dictatorship. Second, what empirical evidence for what assertions are you requesting? Be more specific. Oh.. And singapore has just 5 million folks while being a historical magnet for western multinationals targeting the Asian market, similar to Malaysia, so they've attracted heavy FDI over the last 6 decades that dwarfs all the fdi received by most African nations in that period. So you would expect them to have achieved rapid development.

ballabriggs:

Development is one variable, freedom is another variable, do you have any empirical evidence suggesting causality between both variables? Sudan, Uganda, Chad, Zimbabwe and Afghanistan -during the Taliban rule- are examples of dictatorships. Why did they not see such changes?

And why have you not attracted sufficient FDIs to meet your development needs? It is a tool for development. Countries compete for FDIs and the fact they beat you in the drive for FDIs is no excuse.

taharqa: Yea, Oga Buhari was d Pet Min during parts of dat OBJ time, and b4 then he was head of NNPC. That is what he is supposd to be using to argue whateva he thinks he wants to argue, but he evidently does not hv even a twit of what he is trying to say. Yet he is trying to argue with me- dats he's undoing, Lol.