omanzo02:

You just said it all, I use Peugeot, I service my vehicle once a year, top my engine up with less 0.2 litre of oil per year, never had a single problem since I bought the car in 2007.

Frankie9ice:

...Now dis is d grouse I av with some nutheads on dis site,u want contributions frm an average Nigerian and of all cars on our roads 2day u single out a 2012 Benz S-Class 63 AMG vs a 2012 Toyota Lexus LS 600H. Dude r u resident in Naija at all? D average Nigerian has not driven a 2006 Benz talkless a 2012 model! Truth is if u want a review for those 2 cars u mentioned u do av to go to d National Assembly to interview d likes of Farouk Lawan et al. If we truly want to compare Euro/American vs Asia/Jap cars,let's do it wit vehichles like Benz 190/V-Boot vs Camry,Corolla,(up to 2003 models). Golf 3,Golf 4,Peguot 406,Opel Vectra vs Optima,Rio,Cerrato (up to 2008 models),Sienna,Maxima,Previa etc. Hia's a fair challenge; put a Benz C-Class 23O (Kompressor,2001) vs a Camry xle 2007, Abuja to Lagos back to Abuja same day and see which car wud outperform d other. I bet u,d benz wud do better fuel wise,reliability wise,radiator water wise,...and in every way. And dts for a 2001 Benz against a 2007 Toyota. Dia is simply no way u can compare a German ride wit a Jap one year for year

Advocate sam:

forget about hating Jap cars but let us be sincere to ourselves. Japan tech or Asia tech is just bread n butter tech compared to German tech/Euro tech. Why is it dat Volvo n Benz are the major producers of Trucks and heavy cars. Why is that BMW produces most of our aircraft engines? Why is it that VW sold d highest number of hatchback and sport cars so far? I imagine when people compare Jap cars wit German cars. Why shud u be comparing Toyota wit BMW or VW or Benz etc. Have u 4goten dat Bosch produces most of the parts for dis German n Euro cars. Dis shud be d last time we will be comparing Jap tech n German tech. I think we shud be comparing d German/Euro cars i.e. Benz vs BMW or Pegeout vs VW or VW vs Audi etc.
Most Nigerians use Jap cars because of the follow follow syndrone n I dont want to spend my money but pile it up in bank syndrone.

I am very sure dat 99.999999999% will pick German cars if it is given free n maintenance will be free. It is only a mad man that will pick 2012 toyota camry or any model over 2012 Benz or BMW or VW etc

So d problem is dat Nigerians don't want to spend their money or enjoy it but dis reminds me dat Solomon in Ecclesiates said it takes d Grace of God for u 2 enjoy ur labour. Nigerians ve 4gotten dat keeping of dis wealth somewhere is vanity upon vanity. All is vanity

Frankie9ice:

...Now dis is d grouse I av with some nutheads on dis site,u want contributions frm an average Nigerian and of all cars on our roads 2day u single out a 2012 Benz S-Class 63 AMG vs a 2012 Toyota Lexus LS 600H. Dude r u resident in Naija at all? D average Nigerian has not driven a 2006 Benz talkless a 2012 model! Truth is if u want a review for those 2 cars u mentioned u do av to go to d National Assembly to interview d likes of Farouk Lawan et al. If we truly want to compare Euro/American vs Asia/Jap cars,let's do it wit vehichles like Benz 190/V-Boot vs Camry,Corolla,(up to 2003 models). Golf 3,Golf 4,Peguot 406,Opel Vectra vs Optima,Rio,Cerrato (up to 2008 models),Sienna,Maxima,Previa etc. Hia's a fair challenge; put a Benz C-Class 23O (Kompressor,2001) vs a Camry xle 2007, Abuja to Lagos back to Abuja same day and see which car wud outperform d other. I bet u,d benz wud do better fuel wise,reliability wise,radiator water wise,...and in every way. And dts for a 2001 Benz against a 2007 Toyota. Dia is simply no way u can compare a German ride wit a Jap one year for year

platinumricky:
Bmw used to be an aircraft engine manufacturer, they went out of dat line long ago, chk ur facts.

Frankie9ice:

...Now dis is d grouse I av with some nutheads on dis site,u want contributions frm an average Nigerian and of all cars on our roads 2day u single out a 2012 Benz S-Class 63 AMG vs a 2012 Toyota Lexus LS 600H. Dude r u resident in Naija at all? D average Nigerian has not driven a 2006 Benz talkless a 2012 model! Truth is if u want a review for those 2 cars u mentioned u do av to go to d National Assembly to interview d likes of Farouk Lawan et al. If we truly want to compare Euro/American vs Asia/Jap cars,let's do it wit vehichles like Benz 190/V-Boot vs Camry,Corolla,(up to 2003 models). Golf 3,Golf 4,Peguot 406,Opel Vectra vs Optima,Rio,Cerrato (up to 2008 models),Sienna,Maxima,Previa etc. Hia's a fair challenge; put a Benz C-Class 23O (Kompressor,2001) vs a Camry xle 2007, Abuja to Lagos back to Abuja same day and see which car wud outperform d other. I bet u,d benz wud do better fuel wise,reliability wise,radiator water wise,...and in every way. And dts for a 2001 Benz against a 2007 Toyota. Dia is simply no way u can compare a German ride wit a Jap one year for year

oyb: bizarre thread

german cars are typically performance, luxury cars, japanese cars are typically economy cars

completely different mindsets in design

a german car is a gas guzzling precision piece of machinery - a jap car is a high mileage vehicle with wide tolerances

comparisons within a country like nigeria with our lousy roads , poor maintenance culture and incompetent mechanics is just a waste of time

Advocate sam:

I think u shud ve said BMW started with aircraft engine manufacturing before adding production of cars to their business. Majorly BMW produces engines ranging from aircraft to car to trucks etc.

Check ur facts too

oyb: bizarre thread

german cars are typically performance, luxury cars, japanese cars are typically economy cars

completely different mindsets in design

a german car is a gas guzzling precision piece of machinery - a jap car is a high mileage vehicle with wide tolerances

comparisons within a country like nigeria with our lousy roads , poor maintenance culture and incompetent mechanics is just a waste of time

platinumricky: European luxury cars tend to become nightmarish to own when they start ageing- the more electronics U̶̲̥̅̊ load in a vehicle, the more likely the number of issues that will arise as the age increases. Let's look @​ the 9yr+ examples of these luxury cars :
1. 2002 mercedes S500 (W220)
2. 2002 Bmw 745i (E65)
3. 2003 Audi A8 4.2 quattro (D3,
Typ 4E).
4. 2003 Lexus LS430 (XF30)
5. 2004 Maserati Quattroporte (quattroporte V)

All 5 are full size V8-luxury cars. The first 3 are german, the 4th is japanese while the fifth is italian. The four europeans were praised for their driving dynamics and technological features then, the favourite of the automotive press was the S-class during that era. It was praised for its 'magic carpet' ride. The chris bangle-designed 7series wasn't far behind..the Audi A8 was praised for it torque-vectoring AWD and its interior (the styling,fit & finish won awards then) . The lexus was labelled 'dull and boring' and bland to look at/drive. The pininfarina designed-maserati was hailed for its italian flavour and ferrari-sourced powertrains. Fastforward to the present day; of all these luxury cars, only the lexus has stood the test of time reliability-wise. it has the least amount of problems per 100 vehicles. The w220 was panned for its reliability and build quality (engine,transmission/suspension failures were rampant on vehicles with less than 20k miles on the odometer). The e65 7series is also problematic- its ZF transmission has had a lot of failures, in addition to cooling/electrical gremlins. The other have their issues too (their case files are long)..and their repair bills are outrageously expensive.

oyinbogirl:


Agree here with you. Euro cars are great but high maitenence and parts are ridiculously expensive. They always want you to use genuine parts. I recall a friend paid $600 for a plastic radiator overflow bottle for a 2005 Jag. A centre cap for a wheel $400. You are paying for a brand, cos i believe all parts come from Japan or China anyway and are marked up massively. No jokes. And as someone else here said, the more electronic technology the car has, is trouble ahead when the car gets some age on it. That said they are really cool cars, awesome to drive (drove an X5 ) and if maitained well last a decent amount of years. Leather interior wears quickly, especially on the sides where you first get in. Some of the Mercedes and BMW models I wasnt too fussed on the interior, I felt they were to 'dry' and faded looking for a new car. Note i say some models. Now for Asian cars....the Japanese always seemed to bring out reliable, hardy and affordable cars. Parts are readily available and depending on the model, can be reasonable. Camry and Lexus have a good reputation...the former being around now for years. Honda use to be lower scale and i heard many having electrical issues, but from what i see now, have picked up their game. I have a Toyota and old one, i can count on one hand d troubles its had. One issue it seems to rust out easily, but mechanical wise its the best. Euro cars are about luxury and performance. Do your research and buy whats within your budget. Asian cars are not in the same class as euro cars (excepting Lexus) they are cheaper because they are mass- produced but still are reliable and hardy. Cheers

yungboss: advocate Sam is angryyyyyyy!!!! Lol
This is a highly debatable topic Ikenna, many views and opinions are going to be generated.
The word ''duarbility'' will be difficult to define because people may choose to refer to life span of exterior body parts and longevity of external and internal components.
''Reliability'' index on the other hand could mean susceptibility to failure, or how well you trust a component to last as designated by factory specification.
The japanese cars were designed with a simplistic philosophy, majority of their cars weren't designed with a performance-oriented philosophy. Performance comes at a premium when compared with most euro brands e.g, the Mercedes. Today,the new toyota corolla still comes with a 4-speed auto...now you cannot compare that with e.g, a BMW that provided the F1 type SMG as far back as 1999/2000, or the DCT...these drivetrain types are way more advanced than the former and hence you wouldn't compare them to the type found in the best lexus, mitsubishi, toyota, nissan, subaru of the time...
Because of the different orientation of both the German/Euro and Asian cars, for me, this would be hard to compare. People say Japanese cars can ''run forever'' i would agree (to an extent)...but i would also agree that they gratify their respective owners differently, and for me, this is the turning point.
A toyota's engine can be ''abused'' by a makeshift technician, but you don't abuse the German cars without paying dearly.
Sometime in 2011 when i went about asking for a BMW mechanic, i met a person who withdrew from touching my car because, though by specialty he was unauthorized but from simple deduction, he attempted diagnosing a prob for a someone who owned a BMW and it backfired on him, he tried jump-testing some component and according to him, this he would ''ordinarily do in other cars'' without a problem, and he ended up paying dearly...(forgotten what it was)...
The japanese cars have the basic engineering/automotive design, the Euro/German cars have been engineered with all kinds of unproven technology, from its suspension to its driveline innovations, edging towards performance and not so much of reliabilty or durability (my views) as the toyota and its pioneer Hybrid Technology but of course, you dig a little deeper into your pocket for maintenance, but this the price you pay for the performance it offers. Maybe we should bring two cars to question:
the 2012 Merc S Class 63 Amg vs 2012 Lexus LS 600h and break down each technology to see what's more basic...and prone to last longer (maintenance cost) for an average Nigerian (independent market). Trac and siena can do justice to this aspect.
J.D. Power and Associates rates lexus above the Merc, BMW, VW,Porsche based on consumer reports...but in their performance band, the opposite was the result.
This topic cannot be exhausted, but in summary i'll choose the Gratification and performance of a Euro car over the easily accessible 'relaibility' of the Asian car...
Ikenna,
sorry i may have strayed from the topic a little, pardon me.

nony30: First and foremost,τ̲̅ȍ comment here you are supposed τ̲̅ȍ have driven cars from all the above mentioned continents and •̸№t just d recent follow follow d crowd mentality τ̲̅ȍ be able τ̲̅ȍ make useful comments here.for me the German cars come first in durability and declines in reliability if •̸№t well maintained due τ̲̅ȍ age.The japanese comes first in reliability and fails in the durability department cos they don't last under stress.And the euro cars. Which is where the Peugeot comes from is a balance of durability and reliability with serious attention τ̲̅ȍ detail by the owner they stay fit for long.Asian?Kia,Hyundai,joylong,greatwall,chinese cars? Hmm,I can't say cos I will never test drive such cars •̸№t τ̲̅ȍ talk of owning them.

Ijogz K: When it comes to Eletronics, European stuffs might be the best, but mehnnn for cars, no one beats God own country (USA)

ikeyman00: FACT

euro cars get more expensive to maintain when it start to age!

esply 3 lions!

citron nko hm

platinumricky:
I am familiar with the history of Bayerische Motoren werke. That's why i applied the phrase 'used to'. BMW AG doesn't 'manufacture' aircraft engines anymore.

Ikenna351:

By 3 Lions, you mean Peugeot? Can you back up your claims with facts.

Ikenna.

Gods-Son:
This Post came in timely because i have been contemplating getting between a baby boy1999/2000 model and a mercedes C Class 1998-2000 model but from the reviews i've read so far its quite clear i should get a Mercedes C class because it even has a better fuel economy, stronger and is more durable than the Baby Boy my only problem with the ride is the shape its like a match box but thats no problem i'd sure go for it and i pray God's blessings to Enjoy it Amen!! or do u guys think other wise? ya comments will be helpful thanks

Piyke: How about the American spec of Asian cars? Eg A Honda Accord America spec and the japanese Models. I once went to honda place Abuja and Enugu with my EOD and was told that they only work on the Japanese spec.

Does American specification change anything with regards to reliability and durability?

chucky234: You better for BabyBoy,except you are talking of 2002/2003 C-class.
98-2000 na scrap compare to 98-2000 Honda accord ooo,if you no take my advice. I don drive both cars so I know wetin I dey talk,make nobody dare quote me ooo cos I dey para today.

Advocate sam:

Pls still go back n check ur facts again. Go n find out the team that partner Boeing in producing Boeing 707, 727, 737, 747, 767.

Originalsly: Nice question!... am hoping the hmmm...nutheads jump in. I think the American specs do affect reliability and durability. Think they are made stronger and have to pass a higher safefy standard. And from my observation...the American versions have more powerful engines. E.g...any US Nissan Maxima...despite the year...has a 3000 cc engine or greater. I guess to carry 4 Americans means the engine has to be built to tug at least 1000 lbs easily ...uphill!

Originalsly: I beg to differ. I also owned a hmmmm.....he dey para today...let me shut up!