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tha_originator: @Mavor. Did anyone for you to open an Islam for muslims thread? Enter joke section since you're just a joker.

@tbaba may Allah bless you and give us courage to abide by his rules.

Onoru1: @tbaba1234, Please I will be glad if you quote the hadith or it name. Thanks. JAZAKA'ALLAHU KHAIRAN.

tbaba1234: Dealing with Zina and Shamelessness- the muslim youth

It is not uncommon to see conscious muslims fall into the trap of Zina, It usually starts from 'harmless' text messages and calls. I have heard these stories time and time again. If only we could stick to what Allah has given us. Brothers in the guise of giving a sister 'dawah' have fallen into this. Sisters in the guise of helping out a brother have also fallen. As long as it is between men and women, you can not rule out the influence of emotions and hormones no matter how good the intention was.

This piece is not to castigate but to offer hope.

Nuzo':


Since one cannot decipher a generally accepted limit to use of technological innovations like phones as regards to its influence, a muslim village in India placed a ban on the usage of phones on their women.

1. Is this method a better way to avoid Zina?

2. Why was it one sided?

3. Is this generally acceptable in the muslim community since it helps reduce zina and shamefullness?

zayhal: A timeless piece. May Allah safeguard us from these evils.

Zina and shamelessness is a problem not for the youth alone but affects all members of the society. Even married people should be wary of this evil as the society we live in is extremely bad that marriedd people aren't safe from it.

When I look at things happening around now, I get worried about how the next generation will be. May Allah help us...

tbaba1234: Please see the first part above.... This is the second part..

Dealing with Zina and Shamelessness- the muslim youth Part II

The desire for women is natural. It is so natural that Allah calls it natural. In Surah Imran, Allah gives a list of things that have been beautified for men.

The love of desirable things is made alluring for men– women, sons, gold and silver treasures piled up high, horses with fine markings, livestock, and farmland– these may be the utility (Mataa) of this life, but God has the best place to return to. (Surah 3: 14)

The number ONE on the list : Women.

The number one thing that was made desirable for men is women....

Look around us.. Every advert makes use of a beautiful or half-naked woman on its poster. It doesn't matter if the thing that is been advertised has nothing to do with women. It is a marketing tool employed by many companies. Women are used as objects to promote these things.

The first desire : Women

The filth industry is greater that all the technology giants combined... What do it sell?? desire of men for women... Prostitution?? same thing.... All of these come from just one thing: The obsession man has for women.

The other desires

Sons: Later on, in life you will desire to have sons

gold and silver treasures piled up high : Assets .. your wealth

horses with fine markings: A great ride... branded 'horsepower'??

livestock and farmland: Your Investments /business... Livestock in the olden days referred to your investments. The crops from farmland represent a return on your investments.

These are the things people are obsessed with today: Women, money, cars, their investments/business

Allah put these things in us. Then Allah call them the utility of worldly life... things that are meant to be used in this life and Allah has much better return.

The word mataa is used for these desires:

The word "mataa" refers to something that is to be used not neccessarily enjoyed. The ancient arab would call a brush or a broom mataa... Things we use but are really insignificant. Allah describes all of these as being that insignificant

Allah has better than this to offer and to him is the return.

So we have all these desires and Allah is telling us that He has got far better than this. These desires are there to help to imagine what the hereafter could be like. If this is so tempting here and Allah says the hereafter is far greater, then You should be far more tempted by what Allah has for you.

Only a person who truly believes in the unseen can truly appreciate this. It is a state of mind to really believe that Allah has better for you. It is easy to say but hard to internalize.

These desires have been put in us to see if your belief in better things in the next life is stronger or would you rather take this now. Allah has given us desires in this life as a test by placing limits on them.

Allah says of humans: Man was created hasty: I will show you My signs soon, so do not ask Me to hasten them. (Surah 21:37)


We love getting things immediately and we don't want to wait.

So Allah is telling us basically: I would fulfill all your desires beyond your imagination but you would have to wait. I will put restrictions and limits on your desires now. If you want it unlimited, live this restricted life. If you do, i will give you unlimited.

That is the sales pitch from Allah.

Now Shaytan tells us: Why do you have to wait? You can get this stuff right now, enjoy it... Live it up!!

We rush to things and buy the shaytan sales pitch forgetting that Allah has offered us far better.

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “The world is a prison for the believer and a paradise for the disbeliever.”

[Sahih Muslim, Book 42, Number 7058]

Allah also says in the Quran: The life of this world is made to seem glamorous to the disbelievers, and they laugh at those who believe. But those who guarded themselves will be above them on the Day of Resurrection: God provides immeasurably for whoever He pleases. (Surah 2:212)


This is such a beautiful ayah... Allah tells us that the life of this world has been beautified for those who disbelieve. They would make fun of the believers...

They would say: you guys are missing out on life: No parties, no alcohol, no clubbing, no girlfriends/boyfriends, no premarital intimacy etc... You give up all these stuff for some 'paradise'.

The words of Allah is so true today, they run after dunya and poke fun at those who restrain themselves.

Then Allah says : But those who guarded themselves will be above them on the Day of Resurrection:

Allah did not say those who believed, He said: those who guarded themselves,( those who had taqwa and were mindful of Allah)

So those who guarded themselves from these temptations will have the upper hand on the last day...

For those muslims who refuse to give this up. They build excuses for themselves and try to justify it. At least, they do other good deeds right?

Allah says: Truly those who earn a single sin and are surrounded by that sin will be the inhabitants of the Fire, there to remain (Surah 2:81)

Allah talks of the one who has earned just one sin and he allowed hat sin to fester...They have a bad sin, they refuse to give it up but try to justify it. He submitted to this god.

Allah says that those are the people of fire.

In Surah Jathiyah, Allah says:

Have you seen the one who takes His empty desires as an Ilah... (Ayah 23)

The one who refuses to give up that one desire until it consumes him has essentially taken it as an ilah... something to be worshipped, loved and obeyed.

Advice for those stuck in this rot:

i. Develop a relationship with the Quran IN THE SALAT>>>

[Prophet], recite what has been revealed to you of the Scripture; keep up the prayer: prayer restrains shamelessness and sinful behaviour. Remembering God is greater: God knows everything you are doing. (Surah 29:45)


If you are a person who prays and still commit these acts, it means you need to work on your Salat. You are not truly praying. build a connection in your salat.

ii. Get married: Marry for the right reasons though.

Assalamu aleikum.

(NB: Most of what is written is from more knowledgeable sources)

Chris†Kid:
Thank goodness she's not on NL. Una wan pour sand for my garri.

Mavor: Another religious thread on frontpage again. Don't you guys ever get tired? Am sending an email to Seun right now. Enough is enough.

tbaba1234:
Dealing with Zina and Shamelessness- the muslim youth

It is not uncommon to see conscious muslims fall into the trap of Zina, It usually starts from 'harmless' text messages and calls. I have heard these stories time and time again. If only we could stick to what Allah has given us. Brothers in the guise of giving a sister 'dawah' have fallen into this. Sisters in the guise of helping out a brother have also fallen. As long as it is between men and women, you can not rule out the influence of emotions and hormones no matter how good the intention was.

This piece is not to castigate but to offer hope.

Shamelessness (fashaa) is one of the major sins mentioned in the Quran. In modern times, this is one of the most common sin among muslim youth. It starts with the use of technology (text messaging, facebook etc) to pornography then to the actual act. This is a prevalent thing, it is a very serious matter.

For those deep into this, the common question is: Is there hope for me? Would Allah forgive me?... Allah commands us in the Quran not to lose hope in Him. Allah says to the believers:

Say, ‘[God says], My servants who have harmed yourselves by your own excess, do not despair of God’s mercy. God forgives all sins: He is truly the Most Forgiving, the Most Merciful. (Surah 39:53)

In surah Furqan, Allah speaks of those who have committed shirk, injustice, Zina and murder:

those who never invoke any other deity beside God, nor take a life, which God has made sacred, except in the pursuit of justice, nor commit adultery.Whoever does these things will face the penalties: their torment will be doubled on the Day of Resurrection, and they will remain in torment, disgraced, except those who repent, believe, and do good deeds: God will change the evil deeds of such people into good ones. He is most forgiving, most merciful. People who repent and do good deeds truly return to God. (Surah 25:68-71)

Here Allah says to those who have done shirk and committed murder or Zina: If you repent, revive your faith and then engage in good actions. Allah says that he would convert their mountain of evil deeds into good deeds. All of the evil you have done will not only be wiped away but converted into good deeds, if you do three things:

i. Repent sincerely

ii. Revive your faith

iii. Continuously do good deeds

If you can do just three things, SubhanAllah.

If you can sincerely get away from this sin. Sometimes people get addicted to this. They hate themselves for their addiction but they are still addicted. The best course of action is to get away from the things that lead you to this. The environment that leads you to this.

The emotional attachment to this person is also a factor, some can't get away from it. Allah made women extremely compassionate, loving and attached. This is a strength but if it is misused, it becomes a weakness. Men prey on this emotional side of women by telling them all kinds of sweet nothings to get them hooked so that they can fulfill their desire.

The key is to get away completely from this, cut all ties, focus on learning about your religion, focus on Allah.

For the men:

The messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) said that the greatest threat he feared for the men of this ummah was women (Narrated by al-Bukhaari (5096) and Muslim (2741)). Not the threat of invading armies or weapons of mass destruction. None of these things but Women!! This is where shaytan will get you. It does not matter if you have a long beard or if you are at the mosque everyday for fajr or if you have memorised the Quran. In this one thing, you can not help yourself.

Allah talks about the people of taqwa who enter paradise in Surah Imran and one of the characteristics of these people is that whenever they did something shameless, they remembered Allah immediately:

those who remember God and implore forgiveness for their sins if they do something shameful or wrong themselves– who forgives sins but God?– and
who never knowingly persist in doing wrong. (Surah 3:135)

You looked at what you were not supposed to look at, you went where you were not supposed to go, they touched what they shouldn't have... Immediately these people do something shameless they remember Allah.

The point here is that the people of Jannah are people who do make mistakes but as soon as they fall into a trap immediately they remember Allah and sincerely seek forgiveness from Allah.

Help from an addiction of this sort can only come from Allah, no amount of knowledge can help you sometimes. We see the case of yusuf (alayhi salam), a prophet of Allah. Allah said (roughly translated:

She made for him, and he would have succumbed to her if he had not seen evidence of his Lord– We did this in order to keep evil and indecency away from him, for he was truly one of Our chosen servants. (Surah 12:24)

Joseph said, ‘My Lord! I would prefer prison to what these women are calling me to do. If You do not protect me from their treachery, I shall yield to them and do wrong,’ (Surah 12:33)

This is a prophet of Allah. He recognizes his human weakness and asks Allah for protection.. A lot of brothers live with the facade that they can control themselves... "I can have a pre-marital relationship and control myself. I am just calling her on the phone. I can handle myself". This is a weak, shallow argument that fails to recognize the nature of man himself. If you are caught in a compromising situation, do you think your good intention will hold up

Joseph (alayhi salam) can take being thrown into a well and into prison but he can not handle that. He asks Allah to protect him from that.

This is a very serious lesson.

For men caught up in this, The first thing is to acknowledge your weakness, the second is to get better company.


More to come in Part II... Insha Allah..