BAPTISM
What is Baptismp ?

According to dictionary.com baptism is immersion in or application of
water as a rite of purification and admission to the Christian Church.

Baptism immersion in water is proper way ......,when Philip had an
encounter with the Ethiopian Eunuch the bible say in the book of Act 8:38, 39 "So he commanded the chariot to stand still.And both Philip and the Eunuch went down into the water , and he baptized him."

"Now when they came up out the water, the spirit of the Lord caught
Philip away, so that the eunuch saw him no more; and he went on his
way rejoicing."

When Jesus came accross a Pharisee named Nicodemus, afterthe
conversation.JESUS and his disciple went into Judea.[JOhn 3:23] "Now
John also was baptizing in Aenonnear Salim, because the was much
water there. And they came and where baptized."

With the above prove you can go with me that Baptism must be carried
out in the water.
JESUS SET EXAMPLE
John the Baptist Prepares they way by preching in the wilderness of
Judea. And Jesus set a perfect example for christians to follow by
summiting himself and was baptised. [Matthew 3:13-15];

ONLY FOR THOSE OLD ENOUGH TO BE TAUGHT .

After Jesus died and risen All authority in Heaven and on Earth was
given to him and he said[Matthew 28:19, 20] "Go therefore and make disciple of the nations, baptising them in the name of the Father and
of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," teaching the to observe all things
that i have commanded you and lo i am with you always even to the end
of the age"
After Peter's sermon on the coming of the Holy Spirit[Act 2:41] "Then
those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about 3,0000 soul were added to them.

BAPTISM DOES NOT WASH AWAY SINS .

Many christian all over the world believes that when you are baptized
it signify washing away of sin but the bible made it clear that Jesus
was not baptized to wash away sins he set an example that christian
should follow his steps
[1 peter 2:22]"Who committed no sin,Nor was deceit found in his mouth"; [1 peter 3:18]
Jesus' blood washes away sins not baptism [1John 1:7]"But if we walk in the light as he is in the light, we have
fellowship with one anothe, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son
cleanses us from all sin.

http://www.leaknigerianews.com/2012/12/baptism-does-not-wash-away-sin.html

[size=18pt]But.....but....I thought baptism was the spiritual omo that washes the soul whiter than ever before! [/size]

No bro read those bible passage

Pentecostals and their yeye teachings.

St peter makes it clear in acts 2:38 that baptism is necessary for the forgiveness of sins.All in his first letter 1 pet 3:20-22 he says "baptism is what saves you now"

1 Peter 3:20-22

New International Version (NIV)

20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[a] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him

baptism doesn't save you but keeps you safe. It is an answer of good conscience towards God. It is among the various phases of being born again as with natural birth. For those who are familiar with women's birth giving process; water breaks forth first then blood and the baby. Water, blood and life (spirit) as it typifies justification, santification and baptism of the holyghost. But true baptism is actually dying(immersion) and rising to newness of life in christ jesus as in the case of the theif at the cross. Above that,God commanded it, so do it in obedience. Cheers

after baptism you are a new creature, all your sins are washed away.
when you are dipped means you die unto christ and all your sins are buried in the water,
when you are lifted, you ressurect unto new life, like a baby without sin.
then you start a xtian life.

chukwudi44: Pentecostals and their yeye teachings.

St peter makes it clear in acts 2:38 that baptism is necessary for the forgiveness of sins.All in his first letter 1 pet 3:20-22 he says "baptism is what saves you now"

1 Peter 3:20-22

New International Version (NIV)

20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[a] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him

So in essence the baptism of our Lord Jesus Christ @Jordan washes away His Sins abi? Or the thief @the cross came down went to a river and cleanses himself before going back to the cross to die shei?

i.chuka:

So in essence the baptism of our Lord Jesus Christ @Jordan washes away His Sins abi? Or the thief @the cross came down went to a river and cleanses himself before going back to the cross to die shei?

jesus recieved baptism to set an example, and it is not an absolute necessity so d theif could still b safe. This doesnt negate d fact dat d bible says, b baptised 4 d 4givenes of sins and d reception of d H spirit.

My signature ..... Confussion every where, i think xtian now need to get the first bible and learn the language ...shebi we learn enlish ni?

All churches have Biblical backup to their doctrin ....

Ubenedictus: jesus recieved baptism to set an example, and it is not an absolute necessity so d theif could still b safe. This doesnt negate d fact dat d bible says, b baptised 4 d 4givenes of sins and d reception of d H spirit.

Dude
Water baptism is merely a declaration that a Christain is dead to the world and live his/her life to the dictects of the Holy Spirit.
Baptism or no Baptism as long as a Christain has receive Christ as His Lord and Savior,by so doing confesses his/her sins.his sins have been cleanses automatically.
Baptism have no part whatsoever in forgiveness or the cleanses of sin.

i.chuka:

Dude
Water baptism is merely a declaration that a Christain is dead to the world and live his/her life to the dictects of the Holy Spirit.
Baptism or no Baptism as long as a Christain has receive Christ as His Lord and Savior,by so doing confesses his/her sins.his sins have been cleanses automatically.
Baptism have no part whatsoever in forgiveness or the cleanses of sin.

and where does d bible say this

Ubenedictus: and where does d bible say this

Go study Collosian2:11-14.

i.chuka:

So in essence the baptism of our Lord Jesus Christ @Jordan washes away His Sins abi? Or the thief @the cross came down went to a river and cleanses himself before going back to the cross to die shei?

Jesus recieved the baptism of John and that baptism didnt wash away sins, neither was it the purpose, as is clear from Acts 19:1-7

1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

7 And all the men were about twelve.

It is quite clear from this that the baptism is necessary

anjoh66:

Jesus recieved the baptism of John and that baptism didnt wash away sins, neither was it the purpose, as is clear from Acts 19:1-7




It is quite clear from this that the baptism is necessary

Necessary for what actually?
The baptism of John was merely declaring to the world that one has repented,as long as one has repented baptism or not wnt change that fact.
Likewise when we are been baptized in Christ.
The Water thing is merely a declaration to the world what has already taken place in ones live.

The only thing that washes away "sin" is clear conscience. We are own judges outside the man made law.

Our assumptions of sins and sinlessness are the things that enslaves and exonorates us.

John's baptism is different from the Christian baptism. In John 1:23-27, John preaches to prepare their hearts and to look for the Messiah who is able to forgive sins. In John 1:29, he introduces Jesus as the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. Apparently, if water washes sin, John's water baptism would have done that and he (John) would not have looked forward to another (Christ) who takes away the 'sins' of the world. In verse 31-33, we find John is baptizing to reveal the Christ to Israel, his ministry is then to decrease and Jesus' is to increase.

In Matthew 3:11, John contrasts his baptism by water with Jesus' baptism by the Holy Spirit (Mk. 1:8 )."I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance but He who is coming after me is mightier than I. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit." (Mk. 1:7-8 )

Acts 1:5, Jesus said to them "For John truly baptized with water; but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now." Jesus is making a distinction between water and Spirit baptism, just as John did. John's water baptism always showed repentance - It looked forward to Christ whom they would receive. The Holy Spirit's work would be inward. This is the spiritual work of God to regenerate a believer and put them supernaturally in the body of Christ. Water can never wash away sins in a literal sense since it is from the outside.

The sin nature is inside which only God can reach and cleanse, which is why baptism must be viewed as a symbolic ceremony of the inward change by the Spirit Himself. Forgiveness and cleansing are in the person and work of Jesus, not the 'symbol' of cleansing itself via water baptism. To trust the ceremony alone or with Christ's work is spiritual suicide. From looking at all the text we find that John baptized people unto repentance looking forward to the Son of God, the Lamb who alone takes way our sins - John never could say your sins are forgiven or washed away via water baptism, but Jesus did without water baptism.

Goshen360: John's baptism is different from the Christian baptism. In John 1:23-27, John preaches to prepare their hearts and to look for the Messiah who is able to forgive sins. In John 1:29, he introduces Jesus as the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. Apparently, if water washes sin, John's water baptism would have done that and he (John) would not have looked forward to another (Christ) who takes away the 'sins' of the world. In verse 31-33, we find John is baptizing to reveal the Christ to Israel, his ministry is then to decrease and Jesus' is to increase.

In Matthew 3:11, John contrasts his baptism by water with Jesus' baptism by the Holy Spirit (Mk. 1:8 )."I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance but He who is coming after me is mightier than I. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit." (Mk. 1:7-8 )

Acts 1:5, Jesus said to them "For John truly baptized with water; but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now." Jesus is making a distinction between water and Spirit baptism, just as John did. John's water baptism always showed repentance - It looked forward to Christ whom they would receive. The Holy Spirit's work would be inward. This is the spiritual work of God to regenerate a believer and put them supernaturally in the body of Christ. Water can never wash away sins in a literal sense since it is from the outside.

The sin nature is inside which only God can reach and cleanse, which is why baptism must be viewed as a symbolic ceremony of the inward change by the Spirit Himself. Forgiveness and cleansing are in the person and work of Jesus, not the 'symbol' of cleansing itself via water baptism. To trust the ceremony alone or with Christ's work is spiritual suicide. From looking at all the text we find that John baptized people unto repentance looking forward to the Son of God, the Lamb who alone takes way our sins - John never could say your sins are forgiven or washed away via water baptism, but Jesus did without water baptism.

You see the reason why I call u my elder bro??...........good explanation.....baptism by water is just a symbol of ones dedication to do Yahwehs will...........chikena!!!.....

Goshen360: John's baptism is different from the Christian baptism. In John 1:23-27, John preaches to prepare their hearts and to look for the Messiah who is able to forgive sins. In John 1:29, he introduces Jesus as the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. Apparently, if water washes sin, John's water baptism would have done that and he (John) would not have looked forward to another (Christ) who takes away the 'sins' of the world. In verse 31-33, we find John is baptizing to reveal the Christ to Israel, his ministry is then to decrease and Jesus' is to increase.

In Matthew 3:11, John contrasts his baptism by water with Jesus' baptism by the Holy Spirit (Mk. 1:8 )."I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance but He who is coming after me is mightier than I. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit." (Mk. 1:7-8 )

Acts 1:5, Jesus said to them "For John truly baptized with water; but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now." Jesus is making a distinction between water and Spirit baptism, just as John did. John's water baptism always showed repentance - It looked forward to Christ whom they would receive. The Holy Spirit's work would be inward. This is the spiritual work of God to regenerate a believer and put them supernaturally in the body of Christ. Water can never wash away sins in a literal sense since it is from the outside.

The sin nature is inside which only God can reach and cleanse, which is why baptism must be viewed as a symbolic ceremony of the inward change by the Spirit Himself. Forgiveness and cleansing are in the person and work of Jesus, not the 'symbol' of cleansing itself via water baptism. To trust the ceremony alone or with Christ's work is spiritual suicide. From looking at all the text we find that John baptized people unto repentance looking forward to the Son of God, the Lamb who alone takes way our sins - John never could say your sins are forgiven or washed away via water baptism, but Jesus did without water baptism.

Are you saying immersion in water kind of baptism is no longer needed/required?

^^^
That's not what this thread is about and that's not what I'm saying. This thread is about whether the physical water in baptism itself is what washes away our sin? The answer is NO. Should we be baptized into water by immersion? YES!

^^^

Yea, yea. If we've upgraded to baptism by holy spirit due to the coming of Christ why still hang on to immersion by water kinda baptism?

"I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance but He who is coming after me is mightier than I. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit." (Mk. 1:7-8 )

i.chuka:

Go study Collosian2:11-14.

that passage supports baptism. Pls show me where d bible says baptism is not important and accepting Jesus as personal lord and saviour is important

i.chuka:

Necessary for what actually?
The baptism of John was merely declaring to the world that one has repented,as long as one has repented baptism or not wnt change that fact.
Likewise when we are been baptized in Christ.
The Water thing is merely a declaration to the world what has already taken place in ones live.

the bible doesnt agree with you, my bible says "baptism saves you now", it also says " be baptised for d forgiveness of sins and the reception of the spirit"
if u cant read d scriptures then i'm sorry.

Goshen360: John's baptism is different from the Christian baptism. In John 1:23-27, John preaches to prepare their hearts and to look for the Messiah who is able to forgive sins. In John 1:29, he introduces Jesus as the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. Apparently, if water washes sin, John's water baptism would have done that and he (John) would not have looked forward to another (Christ) who takes away the 'sins' of the world. In verse 31-33, we find John is baptizing to reveal the Christ to Israel, his ministry is then to decrease and Jesus' is to increase.

In Matthew 3:11, John contrasts his baptism by water with Jesus' baptism by the Holy Spirit (Mk. 1:8 )."I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance but He who is coming after me is mightier than I. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit." (Mk. 1:7-8 )

Acts 1:5, Jesus said to them "For John truly baptized with water; but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now." Jesus is making a distinction between water and Spirit baptism, just as John did. John's water baptism always showed repentance - It looked forward to Christ whom they would receive. The Holy Spirit's work would be inward. This is the spiritual work of God to regenerate a believer and put them supernaturally in the body of Christ. Water can never wash away sins in a literal sense since it is from the outside.

The sin nature is inside which only God can reach and cleanse, which is why baptism must be viewed as a symbolic ceremony of the inward change by the Spirit Himself. Forgiveness and cleansing are in the person and work of Jesus, not the 'symbol' of cleansing itself via water baptism. To trust the ceremony alone or with Christ's work is spiritual suicide. From looking at all the text we find that John baptized people unto repentance looking forward to the Son of God, the Lamb who alone takes way our sins - John never could say your sins are forgiven or washed away via water baptism, but Jesus did without water baptism.

ur last statement just made the whole thing sound funny.

Goshen360: ^^^
That's not what this thread is about and that's not what I'm saying. This thread is about whether the physical water in baptism itself is what washes away our sin? The answer is NO. Should we be baptized into water by immersion? YES!

no! The thread isn't about whether d physical water washes away sins. The thread is asking "does baptism wash away sins?" simple question.

Paris_Love: ^^^

Yea, yea. If we've upgraded to baptism by holy spirit due to the coming of Christ why still hang on to immersion by water kinda baptism?

hehehe, so d apostles no get sense abi?