babaskool: my own problem is small i only came to this uk to make money study and leave .....which i have already started with especially the money making part........so entry fee or no entry fee it doesn't affect me

Which of the nhs toilets are you working?

Flytefalls:
I still wonder. What price could ever be effective enough to deter potential illegal immigrants?
You cannot charge £150 to enter and expect illegal immigrants to cry over losing that cash when the fact they have paid it meant they passed border control and can now carry out their original plan. Not to mention the hit they will have on their head if they don't pay whoever loaned them that cash. Business as usual.

But a potential tourist travelling with a family and on a budget? The fee means a lot more to them imo, esp if the price was per person. I suppose it's all hypothetical now anyway

Gbam! No doubt the step is going to check the illegal immigrants, However some of them will violate the terms and conditions of their visa. Those in South Africa will understand your post better.

AjanleKoko:

For which category of visa? I've never had to pay any money/bond to enter South Africa, and I was still there in November.

May be he is referring to repatriation fees

AjanleKoko:

For which category of visa? I've never had to pay any money/bond to enter South Africa, and I was still there in November.

Have a read yourself : Its called Repatriation fee.....

REFUND OF REPATRIATION DEPOSITS

Repatriation deposits paid by people who were in South Africa for an extended stay are refundable and application for the refund of the deposit can be sent to this office. Alternatively, such applications can be handed at this office from 9 am – 11 am Monday to Friday – except on public holidays. It is worth noting that the deposit is ONLY refunded to people who have fall under the following categories:

Those who have returned to the UK;

Those who acquired permanent residency in RSA;

Requirements

Original receipt issued to you after paying the repatriation deposit.
(b) Letter of request to refund the deposit;
(c) Passport – if your visa/permit is still valid. The said visa/permit will have to be cancelled;
(d) Sworn affidavit explaining circumstances surround the loss of the repatriation deposit receipt. This must be provided ONLY by applicants who have lost their original receipts.

Turnaround time for repatriation deposits

30 days (FOR THOSE WITH ORIGINAL RECEIPT OF PAYING THE REPATRIATION DEPOSIT)

90 days (FOR THOSE WHO LOST THEIR ORIIGNAL RECEIPTS)

http://southafricahouseuk.com/visas/vis_adminfines.html

alfablondy: May be he is referring to repatriation fees

Yes, each country call it different names but they all serve the same purpose.

justwise:

Have a read yourself : Its called Repatriation fee.....

REFUND OF REPATRIATION DEPOSITS

Repatriation deposits paid by people who were in South Africa for an extended stay are refundable and application for the refund of the deposit can be sent to this office. Alternatively, such applications can be handed at this office from 9 am – 11 am Monday to Friday – except on public holidays. It is worth noting that the deposit is ONLY refunded to people who have fall under the following categories:

Those who have returned to the UK;

Those who acquired permanent residency in RSA;

Requirements

Original receipt issued to you after paying the repatriation deposit.
(b) Letter of request to refund the deposit;
(c) Passport – if your visa/permit is still valid. The said visa/permit will have to be cancelled;
(d) Sworn affidavit explaining circumstances surround the loss of the repatriation deposit receipt. This must be provided ONLY by applicants who have lost their original receipts.

Turnaround time for repatriation deposits

30 days (FOR THOSE WITH ORIGINAL RECEIPT OF PAYING THE REPATRIATION DEPOSIT)

90 days (FOR THOSE WHO LOST THEIR ORIIGNAL RECEIPTS)

http://southafricahouseuk.com/visas/vis_adminfines.html

Okay, repatriation fee for extended stay visa applications.
Understood. If this is what the UK wants to do, it is perfectly normal, in my view

universalbets: Britain will be shooting itself in the leg if they see this through. As required revenue from student admissions will dwindle as they close those student visa loopholes.

Interestingly it is indians and pakistanis that abuse UK student visa migration laws with all those offshore satellite campuses and one floor diploma colleges in britain often plied by their people to beat UK Border entry guidelines.

I see honest applicants and migrants of African descent been affected the more.

It is already happening bro!

AjanleKoko:

Okay, repatriation fee for extended stay visa applications.
Understood. If this is what the UK wants to do, it is perfectly normal, in my view

Its the same thing, just to deter over-stayers.

justwise:

Its the same thing, just to deter over-stayers.

If it's the 150GBP I am seeing here, it won't deter Nigerians oh!

AjanleKoko:

If it's the 150GBP I am seeing here, it won't deter Nigerians oh!

I seriously doubt it will be that little,

This might invariably leads to economic woes! Immigration is a vital factor, an engine room for UK's economic locomotion.....

tellwisdom: U.k is running out of cash ..Na to dey beg visitors; remain

On the contrary. If they were desperate for visitors, they wouldn't be introducing all these deterrents.

AjanleKoko:

If it's the 150GBP I am seeing here, it won't deter Nigerians oh!

That was a random figure created just to make a point .

tellwisdom: U.k is running out of cash ..Na to dey beg visitors; remain

You are a dimwit.... Think again and return with a sensible post!

Flytefalls:
That was a random figure created just to make a point .

Well . . . even if it was say GBP1,000, I doubt it would deter Nigerians.
I have known people to pay as much as 1 million Naira to falsify travel documents.

AjanleKoko:

Well . . . even if it was say GBP1,000, I doubt it would deter Nigerians.
I have known people to pay as much as 1 million Naira to falsify travel documents.

exactly my point. And who suffers most? The innocent ones who cannot raise such money even with the promise of getting it back!

AjanleKoko:
If it's the 150GBP I am seeing here, it won't deter Nigerians oh!

justwise:
I seriously doubt it will be that little,

It can never be £150 .... We are looking at £1000 upwards, if not a few thousands!
They are going to be looking at the average cost of repatriation, cost of emergency medical care and crime prevention costs for an average immigrant..
At the moment, economists and statisticians and facets of the home office or relating Govt. dept would have been playing with figures
Dont be surprised if they peg it at around £2000 or £3000
I am also thinking the price will be different for each visa category, if its not a flat fee

rich people can probably pay the fee.

not sure about other people, unless they get some type of loan or something.


i suppose people will just head elsewhere.

as per the colour issue, most countries have policies they implement when one demographic is getting too high and threatening to overturn the established one.

Flytefalls:
exactly my point. And who suffers most? The innocent ones who cannot raise such money even with the promise of getting it back!

Well, rules is rules. There's no such thing as innocence here. You want an extended stay, you deposit a repatriation fee. You don't have it, you can't go anywhere. Shikena.

tpia@:
rich people can probably pay the fee.

not sure about other people, unless they get some type of loan or something.


i suppose people will just head elsewhere.

as per the colour issue, most countries have policies they implement when one demographic is getting too high and threatening to overturn the established one.

Trust me... Nigerians and some other countries love UK to the core, regardless of any measure put in place to control migration!
Rich, poor or average, they will find the money!
A poor man pays several thousands of dollars or pounds to be smuggled to the UK... So why wont they be able to pay a deposit, if it means obtaining a visa would be a bit easier!

AjanleKoko:

Well, rules is rules. There's no such thing as innocence here. You want an extended stay, you deposit a repatriation fee. You don't have it, you can't go anywhere. Shikena.

No. I meant cases where there is no intention of overstaying = innocent. These people will get their money back, but what if they could not raise the extra cash in the first place? Should it mean no UK holiday for them? I quoted £150 as an example because for a family of 4 this is £600 extra. Considerable, even though the money will be returned.

For people who intend on overstaying, as you pointed out, they will find the money and pay anyway.

We can't blame UK for taking step to control immigration of all sorts of people into their country. No responsible govt would open its eyes and allow its economy get damaged as a result of overpopulation or immigrants who are not ready to abide by its rules and regulations.

Smooyis: We can't blame UK for taking step to control immigration of all sorts of people into their country. No responsible govt would open its eyes and allow its economy get damaged as a result of overpopulation or immigrants who are not ready to abide by its rules and regulations.

Ain't nobady arguing with that point bruv

Flytefalls:
No. I meant cases where there is no intention of overstaying = innocent. These people will get their money back, but what if they could not raise the extra cash in the first place? Should it mean no UK holiday for them? I quoted £150 as an example because for a family of 4 this is £600 extra. Considerable, even though the money will be returned.

For people who intend on overstaying, as you pointed out, they will find the money and pay anyway.

It probably won't apply to short stay holidaymakers. I.e. if you are applying for the six months visa.
Or it might be, just like in the case of SA, applicable to first time applicants.

AjanleKoko:

It probably won't apply to short stay holidaymakers. I.e. if you are applying for the six months visa.
Or it might be, just like in the case of SA, applicable to first time applicants.

I think those are the target, they are more likely to over stay their visas, it will not apply to students or people coming to invest in the UK.

justwise:

I think those are the target, they are more likely to over stay their visas, it will not apply to students or people coming to invest in the UK.

Okay, short stay holidaymakers travelling to the UK for the first time?
That seems to be what the SA government have done. It's not so bad.

AjanleKoko:

Okay, short stay holidaymakers travelling to the UK for the first time?
That seems to be what the SA government have done. It's not so bad.

I don't think it should be issue of first time travelers because it will not be effective. People will basically travel for the first time, pay the money, return and collect their money then travel again and over-stayed.

justwise:

I don't think it should be issue of first time travelers because it will not be effective. People will basically travel for the first time, pay the money, return and collect their money then travel again and over-stayed.

I am sure they wouldn't do that. People like me only come to the UK on business. Some others only on holiday, and have done so over time.
If someone has collected over 10 or 20 different UK visa renewals, and has no record of ever overstaying, you can't expect the UK Border Agency to be demanding a repatriation fee from such a person.

AjanleKoko:

I am sure they wouldn't do that. People like me only come to the UK on business. Some others only on holiday, and have done so over time.
If someone has collected over 10 or 20 different UK visa renewals, and has no record of ever overstaying, you can't expect the UK Border Agency to be demanding a repatriation fee from such a person.

If you have a clean immigration record then this shouldn't bother you, they can't be selective in applying this law, it has to apply to everybody because a good guy today could turn to a bad guy tomorrow because of some circumstances.

justwise:

If you have a clean immigration record then this shouldn't bother you, they can't be selective in applying this law, it has to apply to everybody because a good guy today could turn to a bad guy tomorrow because of some circumstances.

It doesn't bother me, just as it would not bother the few Nigerians who visit the UK regularly, and who renew their visas regularly.
Which is why I said it cannot possibly be a blanket requirement, save for maybe first-time visa applicants. Simply illogical, and an administrative nightmare if they try to do that.