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Pastor Olu T: The world was created perfect and not what it is today, even today it is still but not as what it was created to be which is why you see all the imperfection because of what man has done to it. As one who is verse, would you not agree with me that what still keeps the world together is as a result of some things perfectly in place and if they are altered there will be great catastrophe. There are earthquakes and all other natural disasters as a result of change in this things, i don't know much of science but i know about this for i actually read and been around for some time to notice.

Pastor Olu T: I like your sincerity at least you did not give me the big bang theory theory, you know science is yet to provide any reasonable answer to this they have only conjecture and gave unreasonable conclusions. Would it not be advisable to really consider the bible who gave a vivid account of the life now before and after death? undecided

Pastor Olu T: Except you don't want to be sincere to yourself, you probably have witnessed one or heard someone who did. I am not telling you to believe what other thinks, but if you would like to experience it your self just ask what you would like to see happen to you and you will see the miracle of God. NB this is not as a result of testing God for if we go with that nothing will happen?

Pastor Olu T: Are you an alien, why would you ask does evil and good exist, even the greatest atheists do not deny it the only thing they say is that it is relative. Just take a look at Nigeria (i would want to believe you are in Nigeria), there is a clear difference between good and evil, what do you think is responsible for this?

Please consider this carefully.

Pastor Olu T: You perfectly evaded the point

thehomer: What point did I evade?

turnstoner: Hell is not real!!

Pastor Olu T:

ifeness: Then hell will be real for you!

Pastor Olu T: Ife why do you do this, if you think otherwise from me cant you just be mature.

So many do not agree on this forum and no one result to insults, i have been noticing all your post you never make sense and all you do is insult. I have been discussing with thehomer on this thread for over a week and there is not one insult, please be mature or you avoid me.

This is a warning both spiritual and in writing!

turnstoner: Harmless threat

Pastor Olu T: Making it seem i know nothing about science and emphasizing it, though you never said anything to justify the fact that you know more science than me. Though this is not the point.

Let me go over again

The world was perfect at the early stage before man started polluting it hereby causing deterioration, this you will agree with me. So what is the reason behind this perfection?

The big bang theory was not supposed to explain life, so what was it supposed to explain? In addition please tell me what you think personally about coming from non life to life?

You are yet to witness any supernatural events, so lets leave this for now and tackle the previous questions.

The existence of good and evil, the influence, motives and the cause of the actions that resulted to this
evil and good

Pastor Olu T: Where are you thehomer?

Pastor Olu T: Making it seem i know nothing about science and emphasizing it, though you never said anything to justify the fact that you know more science than me. Though this is not the point.

Pastor Olu T: Let me go over again

The world was perfect at the early stage before man started polluting it hereby causing deterioration, this you will agree with me. So what is the reason behind this perfection?

Pastor Olu T: The big bang theory was not supposed to explain life, so what was it supposed to explain? In addition please tell me what you think personally about coming from non life to life?

Pastor Olu T: You are yet to witness any supernatural events, so lets leave this for now and tackle the previous questions.

Pastor Olu T: The existence of good and evil, the influence, motives and the cause of the actions that resulted to this
evil and good

thehomer:
Not knowing a lot about science isn't a crime. The problem would be for you to act as if you know when you don't.

Act?


And I've responded to this. In what sense was the world perfect? How do you know it was perfect? Basically, I don't agree with you that it was perfect.

I guess you have been around for sometime, the level of disaster isn't like this previously which shows that the world is deteriorating.

The big bang theory is to explain the origin of the universe. I think that it happened.

When it explains the origin of the universe it invariably explain how we came from non life to life, but if it doesnt according to you, so how did we come from non life to life.

Leave it if you want though I also don't think that "supernatural events" actually occur.

I want to believe you are a Nigerian, you can not tell me you have not heard at one point or the other about supernatural occurrence, but any ways i have and would discuss later lets be done with this ones first.

Again, what do you mean by "the existence of good and evil"? Have you seen evil walking down the street?

Pastor Olu T: [/b]


Act?

Pastor Olu T: [/b]
I guess you have been around for sometime, the level of disaster isn't like this previously which shows that the world is deteriorating.

Pastor Olu T: [/b]
When it explains the origin of the universe it invariably explain how we came from non life to life, but if it doesnt according to you, so how did we come from non life to life.

Pastor Olu T: [/b]
I want to believe you are a Nigerian, you can not tell me you have not heard at one point or the other about supernatural occurrence, but any ways i have and would discuss later lets be done with this ones first.

Pastor Olu T: [/b]
okay if thats the way you want to act about this, how about the senseless killings and the likes?

thehomer:
Yes.

May be its because i truly am, and you never said anything to justify the fact that you know more of science than me

Who says it wasn't like this previously? You can say that we didn't know that these things were happening not that they weren't actually happening.

But being around for some time this happenings weren't like this, it kept escalating

No it doesn't. Does the special theory of relativity explain how life came from non-life?


It does not, but the big bang seems to explain the origin of the universe in which contains life?
I've also heard stories about Santa Claus. This doesn't make either of them true.



How about them? How does God come into play here?

Kay 17: @pastor Olu

1. Is Hell evil?

Hell is a place of torment according to the bible

2. What is Evil?

Kay 17: @pastor

From the dictionary meaning, evil also suggests wickedness and depravity. Hell itself as an everburning furnace into which millions of people will be thrown in for sins they have inherited.
It is no doubt Hell is wicked and unjust.
God created Evil to resolve evil? Can two wrongs make a right?

Pastor Olu T: Kay, you are right to say Hell is evil because that is what it really is, but the aspect of being unjust i disagree. One thing you have to realize is that it was not created for man but the devil and his cohorts, the reason any one would go to Hell is because he chose to for we are all giving freewill.

Mathew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:


You are right again two wrongs don't make right, God is not trying to resolve anything for He has done that in the coming of Jesus, anyone that end up in is lost forever and there is nothing to salvage.

Kay 17: ^^ if God is capable of doing such a wicked heinous act of creating hell even for the devil, then God is pure from wickedness and debauchery

Kay 17: No I dont

Pastor Olu T: May be its because i truly am, and you never said anything to justify the fact that you know more of science than me

Pastor Olu T: But being around for some time this happenings weren't like this, it kept escalating

Pastor Olu T: It does not, but the big bang seems to explain the origin of the universe in which contains life?

Pastor Olu T: Its not about how God come into play, its about establishing the fact that there is good and evil, if that is done then we look at the origin.

Pastor Olu T: Since you do not know all about life, it shows that you/man is limited in knowledge and should never use his limited know to judge what he does not know.

There are 1001 things science do not know and can not prove, this does not make it irrelevant to us and also science never disprove the existence of God but rather compliment it if you are sincere enough to see it.

The truth remains that even we Christians cant claim we know all about God which is why we falter at times, but that does not change the fact that He is, and our not knowing Him fully proves His deity because if we had He will cease to become God.

Thia is not saying that we are worshiping Him blindly, because thank God for the bible which makes us know enough to be able put our trust in Him and worship.

Kay 17: in short you are not so sure who God is, right? Is God imcomprehensible?

Kay 17: in short you are not so sure who God is, right? Is God imcomprehensible?

Pastor Olu T: What do you mean?

Lets leave that

Pastor Olu T: Again, who says it hasn't been happening? I'm pointing out to you that we're now more aware due to global communications not increased frequency. Or do you think the number of volcano eruptions has recently increased?


Okay you might be right, but it still do not prove it has been like that from onset.

Pastor Olu T: Yes. Do you now see the difference?

But we are still not clear with where life came from?

Pastor Olu T: What you mean is that there are good acts and there are evil acts. As far as I can tell, humans are behind both good and evil acts.

Exactly what i am saying that we are the cause of this things because of our freewill, but also there is a greater influence to our actions. Please i will need you on my thread am i being influenced.