mazaje:

Firstly, you just can't help it but show your cunning ways, right?. . .All you are good at is mischaracterizing people's position, making things up and running commentary on them. . .The question you are asking as nothing to do with what I stated so I do not even know what you are on about. . .Where did I say that christians do not know Jesus?. . .This was what I wrote and you quoted it yourself. . .



I said many true believers are yet yo agree on the nature of Jesus(is he god the son of god alone, or is he god and god's son at the same time). . .I did NOT say they do not know who Jesus is, disagreeing about something and not knowing that thing are two very different things. . .Asking about not knowing who Jesus is, is your own making, so provide your own answers to the question you are posing, since nobody asked that any where. . .

Ihedinobi:

Ok. So now I'm cunning too

Well, see if you can follow my reasoning and see why the question is necessary.

If I say to someone that I believe in Jesus Christ and they've never heard of Him, they'll automatically ask Who He is and why I do. If I say to them that He's the Son of God and that I believe in or trust Him with my life because as the Son of God He has the power to take care of anyone who entrusts their life to Him and insist that even though He's the Son of God, He's not Himself God, I have described the Jesus I believe in to be something particular.

Now, imagine that someone else meets this same person I just conversed with and in the course of discussion tells them that they believe in Jesus Christ. Our mutual friend will probably exclaim, "oh, I just heard about him from so-and-so. He's the Son of God Who isn't God Himself, right?" But this someone else says no, that the Jesus he's talking about is definitely God Himself being the Son of God as well.

Now, our mutual friend will not be blamed if he assumes that we are speaking of two different Jesus's, one who although He is Son of God is not Himself God, and the other who is God Himself being Son of God. The other assumption he can make is that one or both of us don't really know what this Jesus person is.

Now, if somebody is not sure or is wrong about what Jesus is, what exactly is it that he claims to trust or believe in when he says that he believes in Jesus Christ? In other words, how is one a true believer in Jesus Christ when they don't know what Jesus is or what the nature of Jesus is considering that one trusts Jesus because of what He is or what His Nature is?

I hope you get it now.

mazaje:

Who exactly is not sure?. . .Another straw man. . .I kno many christians that believe Jesus to be the son of god alone and they are very sure of their position and to them the bible affirms it. . .Others believe that Jesus is the son of god and god himself. . .They are also very sure of their position and the bible affirms it as well as far as they are concerned. . .There are lots of pages of such debates between christians here on nairaland so what exactly is your point?. . .That they all do not know who Jesus is?. . .

Ihedinobi:

I also said "...or are wrong about what Jesus is", you know. It's that tough to actually read my posts?

Anyhow, if the Jesus a person is putting their trust in is something different from the Jesus that saves, how are they true believers?

Ihedinobi: ^^

What or which Jesus saves? There is only one Jesus that saves.

Ihedinobi: I was not inquiring for your opinion, mazaje. I was making a point.

It's simple, really. If all the Jesus's are contradictory, then they cannot all be the same Jesus. If there is a Jesus that saves, He is either one of the Jesus's advocated or else He is none of them. And only the believers of such a Jesus are true believers, see?

Therefore, it is wrong to say that true believers disagree on the nature of Jesus. It may be said that adherents of the Chriatian religion disagree on the nature of Jesus and that would be true. But it would be necessary to note that not all adherents are true believers of Jesus Christ. Many manufacture a Jesus of their own or adopt a doctored Jesus.

Such people cannot be rightly called true believers since it is a false Jesus that they believe in. Therefore the statement that true believers disagree on the nature of Jesus is false.

Ihedinobi: ^^

I understood mazaje's use of "true believers" to mean "true Christians". If that is not what he meant, then I have misused it. It is indeed to be a true believer that Satan is a misunderstood angel or that Jesus is not God. However, ordinarily, Christians are called believers. So, I treated his use of the phrase accordingly.

Logicboy03:



Christians talk about faith as if it is a good thing



Smh

Uyi Iredia:

You can't escape the fact that everything you do involves faith. Your planning for tommorow, on the faith you'll be alive then, your discussing on Nairaland, on the faith you are talking to actual people, your crusade against religions, on the obvious faith you'll win minds, your atheism, on the faith that God as mostly known isn't explicit and the arguments for its extancy is flawed. Face it, your very life is centered around faith.

Ihedinobi: I was not inquiring for your opinion, mazaje. I was making a point.

It's simple, really. If all the Jesus's are contradictory, then they cannot all be the same Jesus. If there is a Jesus that saves, He is either one of the Jesus's advocated or else He is none of them. And only the believers of such a Jesus are true believers, see?

Therefore, it is wrong to say that true believers disagree on the nature of Jesus. It may be said that adherents of the Chriatian religion disagree on the nature of Jesus and that would be true. But it would be necessary to note that not all adherents are true believers of Jesus Christ. Many manufacture a Jesus of their own or adopt a doctored Jesus.

Such people cannot be rightly called true believers since it is a false Jesus that they believe in. Therefore the statement that true believers disagree on the nature of Jesus is false.

Ishilove: Very helpful. This section has made realise that the world is full of crazy and demonised people. It has also made me realise that the internet is a deadly place where the aforementioned crazy and demonised folks assemble.

obadiah777: WELL DAYUMMM

Ishilove:

obadiah777: I NEED THE NAMES OF THE DEMONS NOW SO I CAN CAST THEM OUT

Ishilove: Very helpful. This section has made realise that the world is full of crazy and demonised people. It has also made me realise that the internet is a deadly place where the aforementioned crazy and demonised folks assemble.

Logicboy03:


^^^^
This section has made me realise the holier than thou personality and persecution complex of many believers.....

Ishilove:
LB stop quoting me before I use slap pieces ya teeth

Ishilove:
Lol. You want them to come and disturb my sleep?

Logicboy03:



You normally beat your boyfriendS?

obadiah777: HE THAT IS IN YOU IS STRONGER THAN HE THAT IS IN THEM

Ishilove:
I'm a lover not a fighter, but in your case I'll make an exception

Logicboy03:




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Logicboy03:




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