lanrexlan: Bro tintingz,me join you jare.I'm fed up wasting my time with these trinitarians,ours is to convey the message,only Allah guides to the straight path.....Peace

brotha lanre. . .this aint the first time we engage debate with them...we should know their type when the topic is 'how to teach non-muslim about Islam' buh they are not ready to learn after the explanations we gave them.

You have done well bro including maclatunji and sino. . .we gave them the best answer we can

lanrexlan: I have answered your questions,you asked how what it's a sin on earth can't be a sin of the day of Judgement and I gave you a simple example of wines,forbidden on earth and not a sin for the people of paradise.What else do you want me to answer?.....Peace

am sorry but were we talking about paradise or judgement day.not everybody on judgement day will experience paradise

by the way i wouldnt want to deviate but coome think of it. if heaven is a perfect place and wine is allowed there, which means wine is perfect. why will it be bad to take a perfect thing on earth.

and you say wwine is bad on earth
you are causing more damage when yu say evill things are allowed in your paradise. i would just have to imagine what other evil thing is allowed in your paradise.......stealing, adultery, shirk

think about it,

now dis is a new question.
#previously i asked whether the fact that shirk was committed on judgement day does it remove it from being shirk. yu did not answer yes or no. you gave an irrelevant response saying its judgement day and so no action counts. [i kept asking even if its judgement day or in heaven or on earth, is it shirk or not. still no answer]

#this new question in contrast to the former seeks to find out what type of picture they had, since they dont know Allah before. even though you say they are in judgement day.

you can do yourself the favor of answering this recent question and revisiting the others. also tell Mac to tell us who would change what rules and when



shalom aleichem

lanrexlan: I have answered your questions,you asked how what it's a sin on earth can't be a sin of the day of Judgement and I gave you a simple example of wines,forbidden on earth and not a sin for the people of paradise.What else do you want me to answer?.....Peace

am sorry but were we talking about paradise or judgement day.not everybody on judgement day will experience paradise

by the way i wouldnt want to deviate but coome think of it. if heaven is a perfect place and wine is allowed there, which means wine is perfect. why will it be bad to take a perfect thing on earth.

and you say wwine is bad on earth
you are causing more damage when yu say evill things are allowed in your paradise. i would just have to imagine what other evil thing is allowed in your paradise.......stealing, adultery, shirk

think about it,

now dis is a new question.
#previously i asked whether the fact that shirk was committed on judgement day does it remove it from being shirk. yu did not answer yes or no. you gave an irrelevant response saying its judgement day and so no action counts. [i kept asking even if its judgement day or in heaven or on earth, is it shirk or not. still no answer]

#this new question in contrast to the former seeks to find out what type of picture they had, since they dont know Allah before. even though you say they are in judgement day.

you can do yourself the favor of answering this recent question and revisiting the others. also tell Mac to tell us who would change what rules and when



shalom aleichem

alexis: sino



Good for you



Believe what you want, that is what makes us human. Al-Bukhari was clear when he said that Allah can be represented in a muslims mind and he sure didn't say "On Judgement day" either. No one is asking you to believe his statement, we are saying that it is on record from one of your authoritative religious texts that Allah can be represented in a muslims mind. Al-Bukhari believed it and that is good enough for me

I wouldn't have dignified you with a response, but you guys can be quite annoying with your pseudo-knowledge about Islam.
So it's Bukhari that narrates the hadiths ba? Your ignorance is quite exquisite...

Please inform us what the @hadith is about, this world(earth) or judgement day? Answer and see your argument fall like row of dominoes

alexis:
Okay Doctor who - again, I am willing to debate you to prove your knowledge on Islam

I can see you pride yourself on the amount of Islamic knowledge of have come to attain(like the one you just displayed above), me i no sabi anything, i be learner, i like my status.

alexis:
Misconceptions about your religion? Are you kidding me? What misconception will that be? I don't need your help in explaining Islam to me mate. If I need to understand Islam, the Quran, the Hadith and the life-style of Mohammed is enough for me. You can never surpass Mohammed or the Quran or the Hadith.



As always, clueless

I can never say that i surpass all what you mentioned, infact i know next to nothing when compared to the Qur'an, the Prophet(SAW) and the scholars of good repute.
Alexis, i don't think i have met anyone as arrogant as you are, please heed my advice i posted earlier or you'll have loads of problems in real life.

I know i am clueless, i asked you what you know about usool fiqh, mustolahu-l-hadith, arabic etc. you didn't give a response, can you know all this by reading the Qur'an, Hadith and the life of rosul(SAW)? If you don't know about this things, do you think you can confidently speak about Islam and its teachings to Muslims who spend their entire life learning about their deen? Every aspect of Islam is a subject matter that scholars have researched into, for example, you go to the university and study only hadith, you go for msc and phd only on hadith, talkless of fiqh, sharia, tafseer etc.

sino:
I wouldn't have dignified you with a response, but you guys can be quite annoying with your pseudo-knowledge about Islam.
So it's Bukhari that narrates the hadiths ba? Your ignorance is quite exquisite...

Please inform us what the @hadith is about, this world(earth) or judgement day? Answer and see your argument fall like row of dominoes



I can see you pride yourself on the amount of Islamic knowledge of have come to attain(like the one you just displayed above), me i no sabi anything, i be learner, i like my status.




I can never say that i surpass all what you mentioned, infact i know next to nothing when compared to the Qur'an, the Prophet(SAW) and the scholars of good repute.
Alexis, i don't think i have met anyone as arrogant as you are, please heed my advice i posted earlier or you'll have loads of problems in real life.

I know i am clueless, i asked you what you know about usool fiqh, mustolahu-l-hadith, arabic etc. you didn't give a response, can you know all this by reading the Qur'an, Hadith and the life of rosul(SAW)? If you don't know about this things, do you think you can confidently speak about Islam and its teachings to Muslims who spend their entire life learning about their deen? Every aspect of Islam is a subject matter that scholars have researched into, for example, you go to the university and study only hadith, you go for msc and phd only on hadith, talkless of fiqh, sharia, tafseer etc.

all these just for a simple answer you could have given to a simple question. pls do us the favour pick one question and answer it.
does shirk stop being shirk on judgement day, by the way, where will jugement day take place

the rules will be changed by who, and what rules would be change

the picture that they had, even though you may argue its on judgement day, where will they get the picture from as they have not seen Allah before.

the mark of a sincere person is in his responce to questions being asked and not in dodging them.

shalom aleichem.....salaam aleikun

alexis:

Neither do I need to go to France to speak french or know how to build a gun to shoot one . Learning about Islam is not rocket science nor is it mystical - If anyone wants to learn and know about Islam - the Quran and Hadith are the AUTHORITATIVE sources.

Na wa o, i know it's quite difficult for you to accept the truth, you always want to have the last say abi? I know you'll buy french books to learn french, and then when you encouter a difficult word to pronounce, you use your local dialect to pronounce it abi? Then you become an expert in french language? You watch couple of movies, rambo, commando and maybe equalizer 2000, then you become a perfect marskman. Thankyou for showing me how you reason. Keep shooting anyhow...

sino

I wouldn't have dignified you with a response, but you guys can be quite annoying with your pseudo-knowledge about Islam. So it's Bukhari that narrates the hadiths ba? Your ignorance is quite exquisite...

Must you be clueless all the time. The Hadith Al-Bukhari, who compiled it? Who wrote/collected the words in a book that you call Al-Bukhari today? Read my posts again, I never claimed he narrated it; I said he wrote the Hadith since he collected them.

Please inform us what the @hadith is about, this world(earth) or judgement day? Answer and see your argument fall like row of dominoes

Must you always be daft, no be me post the Hadith? You said you knew this Hadith earlier but never ever mentioned it.

I can see you pride yourself on the amount of Islamic knowledge of have come to attain(like the one you just displayed above), me i no sabi anything, i be learner, i like my status

.

Then a learner shouldn't be telling me that I am clueless about the Quran or Hadith when my sources HAVE MORE AUTHORITY than he will ever know.

I can never say that i surpass all what you mentioned, infact i know next to nothing when compared to the Qur'an, the Prophet(SAW) and the scholars of good repute. Alexis, i don't think i have met anyone as arrogant as you are, please heed my advice i posted earlier or you'll have loads of problems in real life.

Since you know nothing why not take a back seat and learn mate. If you can't contribute then keep quiet and shut-up. So, because I have posted ONLY ONE hadith that contradicts the Quran means I will have problems in life huh?

I know i am clueless, i asked you what you know about usool fiqh, mustolahu-l-hadith, arabic etc. you didn't give a response, can you know all this by reading the Qur'an, Hadith and the life of rosul(SAW)? If you don't know about this things, do you think you can confidently speak about Islam and its teachings to Muslims who spend their entire life learning about their deen? Every aspect of Islam is a subject matter that scholars have researched into, for example, you go to the university and study only hadith, you go for msc and phd only on hadith, talkless of fiqh, sharia, tafseer etc

Why not indulge me and debate me to find out

deSika:
all these just for a simple answer you could have given to a simple question. pls do us the favour pick one question and answer it.
does shirk stop being shirk on judgement day, by the way, where will jugement day take place

the rules will be changed by who, and what rules would be change

the picture that they had, even though you may argue its on judgement day, where will they get the picture from as they have not seen Allah before.

the mark of a sincere person is in his responce to questions being asked and not in dodging them.

shalom aleichem.....salaam aleikun

It's called circular reasoning, muslims like sino are specialists at it.

sino:

Na wa o, i know it's quite difficult for you to accept the truth, you always want to have the last say abi? I know you'll buy french books to learn french, and then when you encouter a difficult word to pronounce, you use your local dialect to pronounce it abi? Then you become an expert in french language? You watch couple of movies, rambo, commando and maybe equalizer 2000, then you become a perfect marskman. Thankyou for showing me how you reason. Keep shooting anyhow...

So, I must be a scholar to understand Islam abi? I will say it again, my sources about Islam are:

1. The Quran
2. The Hadith
3. The life of Mohammed

I don't need to go to Saudi Arabia to understand the Sunni views on Islam or to Iran to understand the Shia view on Islam. For example, let us say I want to learn about marriage in Islam. I open the Quran and it tells me, you can marry up to 4 wives if you can love them equally; do I need a scholar view on that or is the Quran an authority on that?

Second example - issue of wife beating ===== So many Islamic scholars have radical views on beating your wife. Some said it is a muslim man legitimate right to beat his wife and refuse to sleep with her. Others say you can lightly touch/beat her etc. Should I listen to them or should I listen to the Quran? These are scholars that have what you call "PHD" in Islam

What you fail to understand with all your knowledge about Islam is that more and more people are researching and learning about Islam than ever before. Also, we have historical evidence about the life of Mohammed and his actions. Some Islamic scholar said Mohammed married 11 women, others say 13, still others say 23. Who should I listen to? Or should I research and find out how many he actually had from the Quran and Hadith.

By your standard, I have to be a PHD cook to make eba and egusi . It becomes worse by your standard when I have to feed many people that want to come to by birthday party - I have to get endorsed by cooks that went to the best culinary schools before I can cook for people that love my food? Get off your high horse and use your common sense.

I can give you so many examples but since I need a "PHD" in Islamic education before I touch the Quran by your standard; I will take the ALTERNATE route - I WOULD READ THE QURAN AND HADITH that I have been reading since I was a kid because they are the a AUTHORITY ON ISLAM than any PHD Islamic scholar would ever had

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^^^ As in ehn, i tire o!
There is this 'face palm' pix i would have love to use, but your Obama definitely is perfect!

sino: ^^^ As in ehn, i tire o!
There is this 'face palm' pix i would have love to use, but your Obama definitely is perfect!

I like the fact that you use "your Obama" .

Again, if you don't have anything important to say; I suggest you take the back seat and keep quiet.

deSika: am sorry but were we talking about paradise or judgement day.not everybody on judgement day will experience paradise

Where and when will people experience paradise? On earth or on the day of Judgement?

by the way i wouldnt want to deviate but coome think of it. if heaven is a perfect place and wine is allowed there, which means wine is perfect. why will it be bad to take a perfect thing on earth.

Don't play blind game here,I explained how wine is bad on earth,go back and read.

and you say wwine is bad on earth
you are causing more damage when yu say evill things are allowed in your paradise. i would just have to imagine what other evil thing is allowed in your paradise.......stealing, adultery, shirk

Your question is a silly one,ask yourself if it's possible to steal,commit adultery on the day of Judgement? That will answer your question.

think about it,

now dis is a new question.
#previously i asked whether the fact that shirk was committed on judgement day does it remove it from being shirk. yu did not answer yes or no. you gave an irrelevant response saying its judgement day and so no action counts. [i kept asking even if its judgement day or in heaven or on earth, is it shirk or not. still no answer]

I don't give irrelevant answers,Is it possible to perform worship on the day of Judgement? Answer it yourself

#this new question in contrast to the former seeks to find out what type of picture they had, since they dont know Allah before.even though you say they are in judgement day.

Believers will be eager to see Allah on the day of Judgement,they will be thinking how Allah looks like on the day of Judgement,the picture they can think of on the day of Judgement,Allah(swt)will appear to them.The hadith I misquoted for that of alexis says Allah will come to them IN ANOTHER SHAPE TO THE ONE THEY SAW FIRST.Allah knows best what will happen on the day of Judgement,to Him belongs all the keys of unseen.

you can do yourself the favor of answering this recent question and revisiting the others. also tell Mac to tell us who would change what rules and when



shalom aleichem

All your questions have been answered.....Peace

NA WA

lanrexlan: Where and when will people experience paradise? On earth or on the day of Judgement?

will everybody on jugdement day experience your paradise. is it everybody that will go to paradise from after the judgement. if some will go to hell, are you saying they will experience paradise on judgement day then before going to hell.

by the way, wyou shoulld be the one answering your question. where will judgement day take place. in earth or in paradise. if in paradise will those ones going to hell go first to paradise for judgement before going to hell.

lanrexlan:
Don't play blind game here,I explained how wine is bad on earth,go back and read.

my friend this is what you gave as the qurans explanation for not taking wine

lanrexlan: It is mentioned in the glorious Quran in surah Al-Maidah 5;90-''O you who believe! Intoxicants and gambling,Al-Anzab(animals slaughtered to stone idols)and arrows for seeking luck or decision [size=16pt] are abominations of shaitan's handiwork [/size]

because they are of satans handiwork

now check out Lanrexlans explanation

lanrexlan: Allah knows if you drink wine on earth, it will surely creates enmity among yourselves and make you forget performing your duties to Allah

u say because it will create enmity and forgetting of duties.

the qurans explanations or yours which one should i take.

if the quran says its satans handiwork, then what is satans handiwork doing in paradise. is satan a co tenant in your paradise. or does he have a contract of supplying his handiwork wines there. uhm

lanrexlan:

Your question is a silly one,ask yourself if it's possible to steal,commit adultery on the day of Judgement? That will answer your question.

are you the one asking me this question. if someone cannot steal on judgement day, then why can someone have picture (shirk) on judgement day. guy see, i know in your mind, you would be saying, this desika boy just wants to argue his head out. but trust me, am actually giving you an opportunity to do the explanations rather than just coming here to post what i think.

if having picture is wrong, then why can it be done on judgement day. it only means that if something that is as bad as having picture is done on judgement day, then other things that are equally bad can also be done on judgement day. do you get it. if nothing can be done on judgement day, then there should be nothing done on judgement day including having picture.

now if having picture is bad, then it should not be done at all, whether on judgement day, in heaven, or on earth. what is bad is bad. nothing can stop a bad thing from being bad. in short since paradise is the perfect definition of good, and is a place where everything in it should be good, then it means that
1. no bad thing should be able to enter into it, that includes wines which have been labeled satanic before, that incudes "having picture" which have been labeled shirk (highest sin so far)

see but if such a satanic handiwork is found in your paradise, its a clear indication that your paradise is not perfect afterall. see listen. do a little reasoning thats just what am asking you to do.

lanrexlan:
I don't give irrelevant answers,Is it possible to perform worship on the day of Judgement? Answer it yourself

now the problem is if shirk is an act of worship.
an answer to the question "is having picture a shirk or not" is now an irrelevant answer uhn. just because you dont want to admit a lie. but dont worry you have already answered it here

lanrexlan:
Having a picture of Allah in one's mind isn't allowed in islam. [size=15pt]It's shirk,[/size]

and here

lanrexlan: What I am trying to explain is that there's no way you have a picture of Allah in your mind without giving the resemblance to one His creature and this will go against tawheed

uhm uhm, if having picture is shirk, then i see no reason why shirk should be committed on judgement day. i also see no reason why Allah himself should be appearing to people commiting shirk, except if ofcourse to him, shirk is not a sin.

lanrexlan:
Believers will be eager to see Allah on the day of Judgement, they will be thinking how Allah looks like on the day of Judgement, the picture they can think of on the day of Judgement,Allah(swt)will appear to them.

so if they think Allah as a man, Allah would appear to them as a man. hahaha. they will be thinking, yet it is not permissible for you to think how Allah looks, yet you and them have not seen Allah before. is the lies not so obvious to you by now. they would be committing shirk out of eagerness to see Allah.

this is the truth, you are refusing to say.
[size=15pt] since there's no way you have a picture of Allah in your mind without giving the resemblance to one His creature and this will go against tawheed, then these set of muslims who would be having a picture yet have not seen Allah before will be giving a resemblance to one of his creatures and as such go against tawheed. [/size]

if they go against the tawheed,and yet Allah still appears to them. uhm, then Allah really loves muslims who go against the tawheed. he must love shirk too. if shirk is a sin, then Allah must also love sin.

Lanrexlan is this the Allah that you are serving. an Allah who appears to muslims who commit shirk, a sinfull act.

lanrexlan:
The hadith I misquoted for that of alexis says Allah will come to them IN ANOTHER SHAPE TO THE ONE THEY SAW FIRST.Allah knows best what will happen on the day of Judgement,to Him belongs all the keys of unseen.

All your questions have been answered.....Peace

my friend, you are doing more damage o, so your Allah can change appearance from one shape to another. thats demonic my friend

deSika: NA WA

will everybody on jugdement day experience your paradise. is it everybody that will go to paradise from after the judgement. if some will go to hell, are you saying they will experience paradise on judgement day then before going to hell.

by the way, wyou shoulld be the one answering your question. where will judgement day take place. in earth or in paradise. if in paradise will those ones going to hell go first to paradise for judgement before going to hell.


my friend this is what you gave as the qurans explanation for not taking wine
because they are of satans handiwork

now check out Lanrexlans explanation
u say because it will create enmity and forgetting of duties.

the qurans explanations or yours which one should i take.

if the quran says its satans handiwork, then what is satans handiwork doing in paradise. is satan a co tenant in your paradise. or does he have a contract of supplying his handiwork wines there. uhm


are you the one asking me this question. if someone cannot steal on judgement day, then why can someone have picture (shirk) on judgement day. guy see, i know in your mind, you would be saying, this desika boy just wants to argue his head out. but trust me, am actually giving you an opportunity to do the explanations rather than just coming here to post what i think.

if having picture is wrong, then why can it be done on judgement day. it only means that if something that is as bad as having picture is done on judgement day, then other things that are equally bad can also be done on judgement day. do you get it. if nothing can be done on judgement day, then there should be nothing done on judgement day including having picture.

now if having picture is bad, then it should not be done at all, whether on judgement day, in heaven, or on earth. what is bad is bad. nothing can stop a bad thing from being bad. in short since paradise is the perfect definition of good, and is a place where everything in it should be good, then it means that
1. no bad thing should be able to enter into it, that includes wines which have been labeled satanic before, that incudes "having picture" which have been labeled shirk (highest sin so far)

see but if such a satanic handiwork is found in your paradise, its a clear indication that your paradise is not perfect afterall. see listen. do a little reasoning thats just what am asking you to do.




now the problem is if shirk is an act of worship.
an answer to the question "is having picture a shirk or not" is now an irrelevant answer uhn. just because you dont want to admit a lie. but dont worry you have already answered it here
and here


uhm uhm, if having picture is shirk, then i see no reason why shirk should be committed on judgement day. i also see no reason why Allah himself should be appearing to people commiting shirk, except if ofcourse to him, shirk is not a sin.



so if they think Allah as a man, Allah would appear to them as a man. hahaha. they will be thinking, yet it is not permissible for you to think how Allah looks, yet you and them have not seen Allah before. is the lies not so obvious to you by now. they would be committing shirk out of eagerness to see Allah.

this is the truth, you are refusing to say.
[size=15pt] since there's no way you have a picture of Allah in your mind without giving the resemblance to one His creature and this will go against tawheed, then these set of muslims who would be having a picture yet have not seen Allah before will be giving a resemblance to one of his creatures and as such go against tawheed. [/size]

if they go against the tawheed,and yet Allah still appears to them. uhm, then Allah really loves muslims who go against the tawheed. he must love shirk too. if shirk is a sin, then Allah must also love sin.

Lanrexlan is this the Allah that you are serving. an Allah who appears to muslims who commit shirk, a sinfull act.

my friend, you are doing more damage o, so your Allah can change appearance from one shape to another. thats demonic my friend

*yawns and unfollow the thread*

lanrexlan: *yawns and unfollow the thread*

dats what they do when they see the truth. Run away.

Its nice to see that you cant say anything against what i said. Its nice to see that you have seen the truth. Whats left is for you to do the reasoning by yourself and then come out of your falsehood

deSika says ....WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF TRUTH

lanrexlan: *yawns and unfollow the thread*

am just glad for the opportunity to show u the truth.

When u see the truth, accept it. Dont ignore it

shalom aleichem

Much thanks to bro Alexis who dug out this hadith. God bless you bro

deSika: Much thanks to bro Alexis who dug out this hadith. God bless you bro

Amen...
it is foolishness for someone to c d truth but decide to follow lies!
When a blind man leads another blind man;they both fall into pits!
Weldone too bro,u v opened my eyes to alot of things!

My great appreciation to lanrelax,tiintiz, and sino.
U guys are too much. You really know how to deal with these ignorant folks.
My advice for you is to not waste your time wt dem.is like they are doomed to stay in their confused believe.devil has blocked their eyes and ears

talk2me006: My great appreciation to lanrelax,tiintiz, and sino.
U guys are too much. You really know how to deal with these ignorant folks.
My advice for you is to not waste your time wt dem.is like they are doomed to stay in their confused believe.devil has blocked their eyes and ears

Perhaps you should read your Quran and Hadith and make some constructive contributions. Bone hook all your muslim brother throats. They have offered personal interpret-ions as if they know more than Mohammed and the early muslims

@alexis, desika, truthman2012; bienble; On June 15, at 11.23 pm, i posted a response to indicate the sighting of Allah in the hereafter by the believers is not of this worldly sighting of dimensions and finite qualities. There will not be an equal or distance between the seer and THE SEEN. The things of this world are not exactly similar to Hereafter. Below is an excerpt and you can do a bigger reading from the previous post and even a greater source material about the subject because there are websites listed to assist you.

. . . .the beholding of Allah Most High is “without resemblance [to the beholding of created things] and without encompassing,” as Imam Ibrahim Laqani mentions in his primer on Islamic beliefs, Jawharat al-Tawhid.

It is completely possible for Allah to create beholding in His servants, without there being physical directionality between them and Him. . . .





. . . . Allah Most High in the hereafter, He shall be seen with the light which He created in the eyes in addition to the light of knowledge. For vision unveils what knowledge does not unveil, and if the exalted Lord wanted to create in the heart a light such as the one He created in the eyes so that it could look at Him by means of it, it would not be difficult for Him at all. Nay – if He wanted to create the light of the heart and that of the eyes in the hands and the feet and the nails it would not be difficult for Him at all!”. . . .




. . . . . . . .“Allāh Most High will be seen in the Hereafter. The believers will see Him, while in Paradise, with their own eyes, without any comparison or modality. There will not be any distance between Him and His creation.”

- Imām Abū Ḥanīfa (raḍīAllāhu taʻālā anhu), from ‘Al-Fiqh Al-Akbar’

“The vision of the transcendent holy essence of God, the Sublime and Exalted, without encirclement or direction is true and real for the People of Paradise. However, this vision is not with dimensions or limits, due to God’s transcendence beyond finiteness, descriptions, limits and containment. It is a-modal [bi lā kayf] in it’s nature and has no direction, distance, description or light rays connecting the seer and the seen, nor any distance between the one gazing and the object of his gaze, for all of that is related to the vision to the vision of bodies and substances, and God, the Sublime and Exalted, is not a body contained in dimensions. Therefore, envisioning God, the Sublime and Exalted, cannot be likened gazing upon a body. Vision is in accordance with what is being seen.”

So the vision will be individualized and at least relative to knowledge.
But then what benefit does it hold for you if you are not heeding any of this except that the muslims here have argument materials from them before Allah Who already knows.

alexis:

Perhaps you should read your Quran and Hadith and make some constructive contributions. Bone hook all your muslim brother throats. They have offered personal interpret-ions as if they know more than Mohammed and the early muslims

Dude!
If we did not read our quran very well, we will not know all lies surrounding ur faith.
It is you that suppose to not be brainwashed by small verse read to u evry sunday by ur pastor.
Read ur bible from front page to back page to be convinced that u have been braunwashed already...

talk2me006:
Dude!
If we did not read our quran very well, we will not know all lies surrounding ur faith.
It is you that suppose to not be brainwashed by small verse read to u evry sunday by ur pastor.
Read ur bible from front page to back page to be convinced that u have been braunwashed already...

If you read your Quran, you will know two things:

1. Your Quran confirms the Bible is the Word of God and it tells Christians to live by it. The Quran never claimed the Bible that christians today have is corrupt; it is muslims like you that are trying to tell Christians that their Bible is corrupt.
2. Your Quran came 600 years after the Bible, it is not a standard to judge the Bible . So if the Bible, says Jesus was crucified and the Quran says other-wise, the Quran has to provide proof since the Bible came before it and was established before it.

You can make cheap claims, most muslims do. Muslims claim that having a representation of Allah is shirk and an abomination. The hadith came and said other-wise. The Hadith said, muslims can have a representation of Allah in their mind. Muslims on Nairaland had never seen that Hadith before, some called me a liar and said I introduced that hadith and I was fabricating it. I wasn't surprised when they swallowed their words later and said the Hadith is indeed correct but the interpretation is that "you can commit shirk on judgement day".

So, the issue here is not the Bible bros. We have proven several times that the Quran contradicts itself in several places. So, before you open your mouth, make sure you can provide some authoritative reference on whatsoever topic you want to talk about.

@alexis; You have no honor if you say Quran confirms the Bible as word of God and you can not bring out a verse from the Quran to prove it. I wanna see "Bible" and nothing else, because we know that Taurah, Sabur and Injil were revelations given to Moses, David and Jesus [as] respectively by God. And on the pages of the Bible you carry around, you do not have 100% of any of the 3.

Did God reveal the "Bible" to any prophet? No.


And 600 years or 600 Quad Zillion years after the "Bible" if Truth comes, you alexis, if you have any faith in you, you must accept it. If being earlier matters, then the Book of Hinduism will be truth far better than "Bible". If earlier is the sign of authenticity, then McCain would have won the US Presidency even before George Bush Junior and Buhari should be Nigerian President instead of Elebe Goodluck of Nigeria.


And we do not have to scout under the bush looking for something to prove Quran and or Hadith; we simply take it as is while reflecting upon it. If it is on the Pages of the Quran it is True and or if it comes from the lips of the Prophet [sa]. This is a mark of faith. Abu Bakr [ra] had it and was called alsiddiq because of accepting and believing it as true if Muhammad [sa] said it [specifically in his case it was the occasion of Isra wa Miraj]. And we have found that in every case it is easy to grasp [using the building of the Kaaba and temple in Jerusalem with 40 years between them. we quickly realize that the builders can not be Abraham and Solomon but some other people or just one person. We realize that the builder was Adam; first building Kaaba and then on the site in Jerusalem. It was the rebuilding of each you think is the first time building at least in the case of what was in Jerusalem. You are wrong, alexis, like you are alwasys gonna be until you are guided to truth].

Is Allah dimensional? of course not because there is no limit to His Existence or Essence. He is without boundary. I thought you will shine your eyes and read it above if you missed it the first time i posted it, in spite of my referring you to the date and time, alexis. Allah in my mind is The One that if i were to wish that I escape His Authority, I will never be able to. I can leave Nigeria or any country if i dont like the situation on ground and move to another place to erase the memory out of my mind, etc. Allah is The One Who it is impossible to not be under His Control.



If you are alive or dead you are under the Control of Allah. Even the things you can not do without while alive [Air, etc] or in death [something that will right your presence or keep you in sight of man as long as you are in the sight [fire if you like to be burnt, soil or others if you like to be kept away from the sight of people, something as the platform if you just want to be kept whole [lol]], are them under the Control of Allah. so it is ignorance on your part thinking you are some wiseguy that is scoring any point against Islam. Look around the world. Islam made the west, even though Islam is lacking today. The Sun of Islam will rise and shine to illuminate the world again.



And as to the 7 intestines for a disbeliever, if you have put your biologist on the table for me to hear what will come out of the Biologist mouth, i was going to tell her that she use you as a guinea pig on the matter. If she is afraid of blood, i will encourage her to be strong or go and study medicine and get rid of the blood phobia. or you can volunteer your disbeliever body for verification as it is. I trust there is still a dr menghele like person in germany or one of those hard countries you may be visiting. I say you have 7 intestines quality. your type of personality will hide 6 of them to fool the unaided sight.

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Your Quran confirms the Bible is the Word of God and it tells Christians to live by it.

We have told u several times here that injeel confirmed by quran is different from your bible in your hand.
Bible is the corrupt version of the injeel.the question u suupose to ask us is that how do we known that bible is d corupt version of d injeel.

The Quran never claimed the Bible that christians today have is corrupt; it is muslims like you that are trying to tell Christians that their Bible is corrupt.

Who told you this ? We muslims talk with facts unlike u that stick to ur ignorance mind.
Here are a couple of Quran verses which do indeed show Bible corruption:
 
Quran 002.079
Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.

Explanation

This verse is referring to the children of Israel; the whole section starting from verse 25 onwards is about the children of Israel. So hence here we see a clear verse speaking of Bible corruption, some of the children of Israel wrote their own books and said it is from God. So basically this means they made copies and added their own ideas and desires and said this is from God, and when you do this over a long period of time the original book gets lost and is gone and that is what happened. So they wrote books with their own hands and claimed it is from God i.e. the Torah.
 
Quran 004.157
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

Explanation

Here is another explicit verse speaking of Bible corruption, the Quran states that if anyone believes that Jesus died and was crucified they then follow nothing but CONJECTURE which is corruption. Which book today tells us that Jesus died and was crucified? The Bible, so hence the Quran here does call the Bible corrupt. So it can't get anymore clear than that.
 
Quran 005.013
But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for Allah loveth those who are kind.

Your Quran came 600 years after the Bible, it is not a standard to judge the Bible . So if the Bible, says Jesus was crucified and the Quran says other-wise, the Quran has to provide proof since the Bible came before it and was established before it.

Guy! all fabrications in the bible has been exposed by quran.
If muslims see one fabrication we know it. Thank Allah for given us quran-the light of the world.

Kindly read this below to see how quran exposed your lie about jesus crucification

That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-
—Qur'an, sura 4 (An-Nisa) ayat 157-158.

Guy! your yansh has beev exposed again.
It is high time for you to quit your confused belief.

The main problem of Christians youth is that no single of them master and memorize the whole bible. They only stick to what their pastor read to them every sunday.we muslims know bible than them..
On the other sides there are millions of muslims youth who have memorised and master the great quran .

Alexis and co ,i urge you to read the whole of your bible to be convinced that there are many descrepancy in it.
Also ,read quran with open mind to help you to identify those discrepancy in your bible..

talk2me006: The main problem of Christians youth is that no single of them master and memorize the whole bible. They only stick to what their pastor read to them every sunday.we muslims know bible than them..
On the other sides there are millions of muslims youth who have memorised and master the great quran .

Alexis and co ,i urge you to read the whole of your bible to be convinced that there are many descrepancy in it.
Also ,read quran with open mind to help you to identify those discrepancy in your bible..

interestingly,i was gonna to say dsame thing to you!

Mintayo:
interestingly,i was gonna to say dsame thing to you!

Funny dude!

RoyPCain

@alexis; You have no honor if you say Quran confirms the Bible as word of God and you can not bring out a verse from the Quran to prove it. I wanna see "Bible" and nothing else, because we know that Taurah, Sabur and Injil were revelations given to Moses, David and Jesus [as] respectively by God. And on the pages of the Bible you carry around, you do not have 100% of any of the 3.

I wonder if you read the Quran at all:

Surah 10:94 === And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that) was before thee. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters

Those who have been reading the book from before thee" are Jews and Christians who read the Torah and the Injil (Gospel)! If they were reading corrupted holy books, their minds would have been influenced by many misconceptions. It would therefore make no sense for Allah to command those who are in doubt to ask Jews and Christians who allegedly were mislead by changed Scriptures! In order to follow the mandate in this verse it is absolutely necessary to believe that the Scriptures before Islam are uncorrupted!

I have asked you, until you can provide the copies that David, Moses and Jesus used; you can't open your mouth and say the Bible Christians use today is corrupt. I HAVE OPENLY CHALLENGED YOU SEVERAL TIMES TO PROVIDE THE UN-CORRUPTED VERSION BUT YOU KEEP BEATING THE AIR. PLEASE PROVIDE IT OR US OR JUST SHUT-UP

Did God reveal the "Bible" to any prophet? No.

The Bible is inspired by Almighty God. God is not silent, and removed from His creation. God has revealed His will. God's Word is recorded in the Bible. He uses this Word to reveal Himself and to communicate His purpose and will to us. No man can do God's will without having at least a basic knowledge of this revelation. How did God reveal His will? God inspired every writer of the Holy Scriptures. As Muslim this will not be new to you, for it is a fundamental part of the teaching of the Qur'an (e.g. Suras 2:136; 5:47-48; 10:95; 21:7; 29:46).

And 600 years or 600 Quad Zillion years after the "Bible" if Truth comes, you alexis, if you have any faith in you, you must accept it. If being earlier matters, then the Book of Hinduism will be truth far better than "Bible". If earlier is the sign of authenticity, then McCain would have won the US Presidency even before George Bush Junior and Buhari should be Nigerian President instead of Elebe Goodluck of Nigeria.

What truth did the Quran come up with. The Quran claim Adam was 90 feet tall? I have asked you to provide evidence but you twist your mouth and evade the question. The Quran claims the earth is flat - If you truly have a functioning brain, do you believe such nonsense. Now, you want me to choose the Quran and it's account when it clearly lies over the Bible? Are you high? Your Quran has to prove it can stand alone based on the Bible and not the otherway around. The Bible came first, it has first preference. If you claim it is corrupt, provide the uncorrupted version, if you can't - SHUT UP & SIT DOWN

And we do not have to scout under the bush looking for something to prove Quran and or Hadith; we simply take it as is while reflecting upon it. If it is on the Pages of the Quran it is True and or if it comes from the lips of the Prophet [sa]. This is a mark of faith. Abu Bakr [ra] had it and was called alsiddiq because of accepting and believing it as true if Muhammad [sa] said it [specifically in his case it was the occasion of Isra wa Miraj]. And we have found that in every case it is easy to grasp [using the building of the Kaaba and temple in Jerusalem with 40 years between them. we quickly realize that the builders can not be Abraham and Solomon but some other people or just one person. We realize that the builder was Adam; first building Kaaba and then on the site in Jerusalem. It was the rebuilding of each you think is the first time building at least in the case of what was in Jerusalem. You are wrong, alexis, like you are alwasys gonna be until you are guided to truth].

How can you "simply take it" without using your brain? Your Quran says the earth is flat, do you simply believe that or is your brain formatted when it comes to your religion?

Is Allah dimensional? of course not because there is no limit to His Existence or Essence. He is without boundary. I thought you will shine your eyes and read it above if you missed it the first time i posted it, in spite of my referring you to the date and time, alexis. Allah in my mind is The One that if i were to wish that I escape His Authority, I will never be able to. I can leave Nigeria or any country if i dont like the situation on ground and move to another place to erase the memory out of my mind, etc. Allah is The One Who it is impossible to not be under His Control.

Having a representation of Allah is in your Hadith my friend, it is not my imagination. Mohammed taught that muslims can represent Allah as whatever they want Him to be contrary to what the Quran teaches. Except of course, you don't believe in your Hadith anymore .

If you are alive or dead you are under the Control of Allah. Even the things you can not do without while alive [Air, etc] or in death [something that will right your presence or keep you in sight of man as long as you are in the sight [fire if you like to be burnt, soil or others if you like to be kept away from the sight of people, something as the platform if you just want to be kept whole [lol]], are them under the Control of Allah. so it is ignorance on your part thinking you are some wiseguy that is scoring any point against Islam. Look around the world. Islam made the west, even though Islam is lacking today. The Sun of Islam will rise and shine to illuminate the world again.

I am alive and I am not under the control of Allah. You keep talking off topic and can't keep your sentences cohesive. So Islam made the West huh? Care to elaborate? Tell us what contribution Islam has made to our world in the 21st century?

And as to the 7 intestines for a disbeliever, if you have put your biologist on the table for me to hear what will come out of the Biologist mouth, i was going to tell her that she use you as a guinea pig on the matter. If she is afraid of blood, i will encourage her to be strong or go and study medicine and get rid of the blood phobia. or you can volunteer your disbeliever body for verification as it is. I trust there is still a dr menghele like person in germany or one of those hard countries you may be visiting. I say you have 7 intestines quality. your type of personality will hide 6 of them to fool the unaided sight.

You brothers in Syria are killing their own kind (muslims) and an innocent priest (a non muslim), you don't need my blood . Infact, with all the Christians Boko Haram are killing up North, you guys should have a picture of an infidel 7 intestines.