CyberG:

First achebeism means nothing. He had no political views while alive. Political view is different from ethnic/tribal view on which he built his life. He should have left Lagos on the first day for what did he do or say when his people were killing leaders from the north or south west? When he Ironsi refused to prosecute the coupist, what did achebe do or say?Nothing! No wonder he could never get over his bitterness for he and his folks got really served!

van bonattel: A HISTORY OF ETHNIC TENSION AND RESENTMENT.

"I have written in my small book entitled 'The trouble with Nigeria' that Nigerians would probably achieve consensus on no other matter other that their common resentment of the Igbo. The origin of the national resentment of the Igbo is as old as Nigeria and quite as complicated. But it can be summarized thus: The Igbo culture, being receptive to change, individualistic, and highly competitive, gave the Igbo man an unquestioned advantage over his compatriots in securing credentials for advancement in Nigerian colonial society. Unlike the Hausa/Fulani he was unhindered by a wary religion, and unlike the Yoruba he was unhampered by traditional hierarchies. This kind of creature, fearing no god or man, was custom made to grasp the opportunities, such as were, of the white man's dispensations. And the Igbo did so with both hands. Although the Yoruba had a huge historical and geographical head start, the Igbo wiped them out of their handicap in one fantastic burst of energy in the twenty years between 1930 and 1950."

eko ilee:

Same way the people of lagos could not believe that the people they welcomed and showered with hospitality could turn around and bomb them in the middle of the night like ungrateful and mean spirited cowards, the same man whose kinsmen men showered the people of lagos with evil joined the same perpetrators to later invade their land. Maybe the old man forgot all about that because of amnesia or old age got to him, either way , he was not only a bitter and troubled man, he was a coward, mean spirited and bitter man.

One of your people said something about the dangers of single stories, but unfortunately, you people eat, drink and get high on the same single stories

eko ilee:

Again and unfortunately for the old man and his warped tribal supremacy. What exactly did they wiped out.?

What realities have changed on the ground. ? What's the present physical, political and economic condition88s in his iboland against Yorubaland? Is Yorubaland not home to millions of his people and are they still not troooing to Yorubaland daily? How many Yoruba people do you see trooping to iboland?

That tribal supremacy rubbish exist only on the pages of his fictional book and it has nothing to do with the day to day reality of via own people.

van bonattel:

Nobody welcomed anybody, listen to this;

Had the Igbo been a minor ethnic group of a few hundred thousand, their menace might have been easily and quiety contained. But their numbers ran in the millions. As J.P.Clark's fine image of "ants filling out of the wood," the Igbo moved out of their forest home, scattered, and virtually seized the floor.

By this small quote, it is clear that nobody welcomes the Igbo, their adventurous spirits carries them to places unimaginable.

eko ilee:

The only reason why people leave their own family and the comfort of their own home to do hard labor in another man's land is survival and greener pasture. Looking for your daily bread and economic survival is not adventure.

Look up the meaning of adventure because you obviously don't know the meaning.

Adventure ko, escapade ni...

van bonattel:

That is where you constantly miss the point, what Achebe meant was that before the start of the civil war, between 1930 and 1950 the Igbos were able to climb into juicy positions of government and power because of their adventurous spirit and natural adaptive characteristics. He was not talking of today and where the Igbos are, he was talikg of 1930-50.

Sometimes your problem is that you will not understand anything and you launch off to attack anybody with your blind arguments borne out of bitterness. Just sit back and learn about your life history from Prof. Chinua Achebe.

van bonattel:

So, OBJ AND Stella travels abroad to "do hard labour in another mans land" when they go on shopping and pleasure in foreign countries? Look again in the mirror, you will see that you have grown two horns and a long goatee, you are a goat!

eko ilee:

Before or after the civil war, it makes no difference because before or after, the major industries and economic activities with the manpower and vision responsible for its creation was never in his region.

The fact that you have government jobs has nothing to do with smartness or ingenuity, it only means while others are building industries and economic base, his people prefered desk jobs and shuffling paper in offices hence the situation today per how you lack the economic and industrial powebase to tie you over.

No, you and the bitter old man got it wrong and that's what's killing you people...

eko ilee:


Apples and oranges.

Leisure traveling and shopping has nothing to do with millions of ibo people working and remitting money home to feed their families back in their villages.

You slow small sha...

van bonattel: \

Keep twisting, I caught you back there and you know it.

eko ilee:


Yes, you caught me with your apples and oranges nonsense...

van bonattel:

So, who built the industries?

van bonattel:

Eko ilee, who built the industries in Nigeria both before and after independence?

eko ilee:

Before or after the civil war, it makes no difference because before or after, the major industries and economic activities with the manpower and vision responsible for its creation was never in his region.

The fact that you have government jobs has nothing to do with smartness or ingenuity, it only means while others are building industries and economic base, his people prefered desk jobs and shuffling paper in offices hence the situation today per how you lack the economic and industrial powebase to tie you over.

No, you and the bitter old man got it wrong and that's what's killing you people...

eko ilee:

Sad that you don't know at your age. You missed social studies class in Nigeria...

eko ilee:


Awolowo via the old Western region government..

van bonattel:

Yes, he also built these companies

Nigercem
E.M. Michelletti
UAC
BATA
Gaylads
A.G. Leventis
Volkswagen
UTC
Julius Berger
Coca cola

chin chin chin chin chin, I am laughing in nupe language.

CyberG:

First Achebeism means nothing.

He had no political views while alive.

Political view is different from ethnic/tribal view on which he built his life.

He should have left Lagos on the first day for what did he do or say when his people were killing leaders from the north or south west?

When he Ironsi refused to prosecute the coupist, what did achebe do or say?Nothing!

No wonder he could never get over his bitterness for he and his folks got really served!

eko ilee:


illiterate, apapa, matori, ilupeju and ikeja industrial estates are what's powering Nigeria's industrial activities and one of them alone dwarfs whatever you have in your region combined.

eko ilee:


Awolowo via the old Western region government..

Desola: Wow! Mesmerised by Eko Ile's rebuttals!

Sound cogent arguments and counter arguments from Eko. My head dey swell o.

Desola: Tribalism aside, only a demented individual would fail to see where the strength in these exchanges lie. Eko has put forth very sound reasoning throughout.

van bonattel:

Guy, dont get it twisted, we are not talking of who provided land for the establishment of industries, my question was and still is, who built the industries in Nigeria before and after independence?

eko ilee:


Even to go with your bogus talk. Instead of sitting behind the desk, shuffling papers and doing oga sir and oga sir, why didn't your leaders came up with the same vision, provide land, create clusters of industrial estates for industries and have all the industries on your soil?

Industrial estates is not just about land, its about providing critical planning, lay outs and industrial infrastructures for industries to utilize ...


Guess what, this was done within 5-7 years before Nigeria became a country and while your leaders like zik were peddling the same tribalism and bigotry that was handed down to you confused and bigoted generations..


Common sense and wisdom can not he replaced hate, bigotry and empty tribal supremacy.

It is very obvious that lousy thought process and jundiced mentally is part of you peoples DNA.

van bonattel:

It strikes me as odd that you always want to throw insults to use it as a added weight to your shallow thinking. I would have loved it if you can communicate with those bitter languages which is typical of low quality upbringing. Thank you for understanding.

The problem with the Igbo setting up companies in our lands is that your people in the central government will always kill it like before. Remember those post war time policies by Awolowo on second hand clothes and stockfish? What happened to Ibeto after he started importing cement? Obasanjo simply banned cement imports to protect Dangote who was selling at N2,400. It took Yar adua to save the poor masses and he allowed Ibeto to keep bringing in cement. There will always be policies against anything the Igbo starts to do.

I still praise Innoson for his bravery in starting to produce cars in Nigeria. I am also expecting a yoruba man to ban that after Jonathan leaves office.

The Igbos were refining and using their own petrol during the turbulence of civil war. The same engineers may be alive today, but your leaders chose to ignore them and spent trillions building refineries that never work.

eko ilee:

That's the problem with you people, in one breath you beat your chest claiming your are the best, you are the smartest, you are superior, then in another breath when confronted with realities, you are all of a sudden the lowly victim and your problem is now the fault of the same people you claim all the time you are better and more superior than.

You people are the most empty and shallow people on earth...


lol @ this confused dude.. we are talking about real industries and industrial estates and he's talking about okporoko and Akpu..... smh

eko ilee:

That's the problem with you people, in one breath you beat your chest claiming your are the best, you are the smartest, you are superior, then in another breath when confronted with realities, you are all of a sudden the lowly victim and your problem is now the fault of the same people you claim all the time you are better and more superior than.

You people are the most empty and shallow people on earth...


lol @ this confused dude.. we are talking about real industries and industrial estates and he's talking about okporoko and Akpu..... smh