[quote author=truthman2012]Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Quran 96:1-2
Read: In the name of thy Lord Who createth.

Createth man from clot (semen).

COMMENTS:

The Bible says man was created from dust and the Quran says no, man was created from clot (semen).

I believe the Bible because when Adam and Eve sinned, God pronounced they were dust and to dust they would return (Genesis 3:19). This is why at death everybody turns to dust.

I don't believe the Quran. Clot (semen) is only applicable in pro-creation and not at creation. Adam was the first human created by God. If Adam was created from clot (semen), whose semen did God use?

Is the Quran credible?
If u disapprove quran on that ground so is bible corrupt on these ground;
If the Bible was divinely inspired, then why would it have so many really obvious contradictions? "A Proof beyond Reasonable Doubt!".
Theological doctrines:
1. God is satisfied with his works Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works. Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples 2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/ Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests Ex 31:17
God is never tired and never rests Is 40:28
6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26 God is not all powerful Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19 God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/ Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25 God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
11. God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25 God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32
Many more available at ur request.

NL member: Truthman and mahdino, neither of you have a valid case so just cut the arguments out. Your holy books claim that women were created from ribs while men were created from dust so your accounts of creation are rubbish unless you can explain how a full human being can be created from only one rib.

brother, the is not a single verse in the Quran where God said the Eve was direCtly created from ribm the quran said adAm was created first, if u want explanations about that then ask, moreover u should know that even from thin air Allah can create what he wish

@ larrymoore and mahdino

You muslims pride yourselves in the quran being the words of Allah and therefore it is not subject to contradictions and errors.

But now that soooo many errors are discovered from it, including the issue of 'man created from clot', does it still remain the word of God if Allah is God? Can God commit errors?

The passages you extracted from the anti-Christ sites to bring out what you call contradictions are not so but lack of proper understanding of the Bible. Spiritual things are understood properly by spiritual people.

You have to understand that the Bible is made up of (1) The direct word of God - i.e thus saith the LORD...., (2) The inspired word of God - i.e as Spirit gave men of God utterance. (3) The individual speakers' opinions.

Places that appear as contradictions are where individuals expressed their opinions, which differed one from another. This you also find in islam hadiths, i.e individuals stating their opinions, which differed one from the other.

I don't quarel with hadiths because they are man-made and subject to errors. But God cannot speak and commit blunders as see in the quran.

larrymoore: which is more contradictory btw bible n the quran? Thre are thousands of scientific and mathematical contradiction in the bible, because of ur prejudice u won't see to dat check this out and don't tell me I need any long faded holy spirit to explain these contradictions; A man may marry his brother's widow
Deut 25:5
A man may not marry his brother's widow
Lev 20:21

Hatred to kindred enjoined
Luke 14:26
Hatred to kindred condemned
Eph 6:2/ Eph 5:25,29

Intoxicating beverages recommended
Prov 31:6,7/ 1 Tim 5:23/ Ps 104:15
Intoxicating beverages discountenanced
Prov 20:1/ Prov 23:31,32

It is our duty to obey our rulers, who are God's ministers and punish evil doers only
Rom 13:1-3,6
It is not our duty to obey rulers, who
sometimes punish the good and receive unto themselves damnation
therefore
Ex 1:17,20/ Dan 3:16,18/ Dan 6:9,7,10/ Acts 4:26,27/ Mark 12:38,39,40/ Luke 23:11,24,33,35

Women's rights denied
Gen 3:16/ 1 Tim 2:12/ 1 Cor 14:34/ 1 Pet 3:6
Women's rights affirmed
Judg 4:4,14,15/ Judg 5:7/ Acts 2:18/ Acts 21:9

Obedience to masters enjoined
Col 3:22,23/ 1 Pet 2:18
Obedience due to God only
Matt 4:10/ 1 Cor 7:23/ Matt 23:10

There is an unpardonable sin
Mark 3:29
There is not unpardonable sin
Acts 13:39

Man was created after the other animals
Gen 1:25,26,27
Man was created before the other animals
Gen 2:18,19

Seed time and harvest were never to cease
Gen 8:22
Seed time and harvest did cease for seven years
Gen 41:54,56/ Gen 45:6

God hardened Pharaoh's heart
Ex 4:21/ Ed 9:12
Pharaoh hardened his own heart
Ex 8:15

All the cattle and horses in Egypt died
Ex 9:3,6/ 14:9
All the horses of Egypt did not die
Ex 14:9

Moses feared Pharaoh
Ex 2:14,15,23; 4:19
Moses did not fear Pharaoh
Heb 11:27

There died of the plague twenty-four
thousand
Num 25:9
There died of the plague but twenty-three thousand
1 Cor 10:8

John the Baptist was Elias
Matt 11:14
John the Baptist was not Elias
John 1:21

The father of Joseph, Mary's husband was Jacob
Matt 1:16
The father of Mary's husband was Heli
Luke 3:23

The father of Salah was Arphaxad
Gen 11:12
The father of Salah was Cainan
Luke 3:35,36

There were fourteen generations from
Abraham to David
Matt 1:17
There were but thirteen generations from Abraham to David
Matt 1:2-6

There were fourteen generations from the Babylonian captivity to Christ.
Matt 1:17
There were but thirteen generations from the Babylonian captivity to Christ
Matt 1:12-16

The infant Christ was taken into Egypt
Matt 2:14,15,19,21,2 3
The infant Christ was not taken into Egypt
Luke 2:22, 39

Christ was tempted in the wilderness
Mark 1:12,13
Christ was not tempted in the wilderness
John 2:1,2

Christian stop fooling your selves, upon all these contradictions u still call this novel word of God

Many of your quotations are wrong as your subjects are not found there, while you interpreted others wrongly.

@ larrymoore and mahdino

You muslims pride yourselves in the quran being the words of Allah and therefore it is not subject to contradictions and errors.

But now that soooo many errors are discovered from it, including the issue of 'man created from clot', does it still remain the word of God if Allah is God? Can God commit errors?

The passages you extracted from the anti-Christ sites to bring out what you call contradictions are not so but lack of proper understanding of the Bible. Spiritual things are understood properly by spiritual people.

You have to understand that the Bible is made up of (1) The direct word of God - i.e thus saith the LORD...., (2) The inspired word of God - i.e as Spirit gave men of God utterance. (3) The individual speakers' opinions.

Places that appear as contradictions are where individuals expressed their opinions, which differed one from another. This you also find in islam hadiths, i.e individuals stating their opinions, which differed one from the other.

I don't quarel with hadiths because they are man-made and subject to errors. But God cannot speak and commit blunders

You know, there is this scientific idea about the creation of man called evolution, i don't know if you have heard of it but it sounds pretty credible

thelonelyshadow: You know, there is this scientific idea about the creation of man called evolution, i don't know if you have heard of it but it sounds pretty credible

I am not a believer of evolution. In evolution theory they say something transformed to man or so. The questions are:

1. Who created the thing that transformed itself to man?

2. What thing transformed to woman? Where did both male and female meet and who taught them to mate? What were their names and their children's?

3.Why is it that we have not seen anybody formed through evolution again or is not a continuos process?

4. Where did the evolution scientists say the various kinds of plants emanate from? What is the source of their seeds?

5. How did they say the sea came to existence? How and where is the air formed?

6. What did they say about dreams? How do people go into dreams and what is responsible for dreaming?

So, soooo many questions. Please throw more light especially on the questions.

truthman2012:

I am not a believer of evolution. In evolution theory they say something transformed to man or so. The questions are:

1. Who created the thing that transformed itself to man?

2. What thing transformed to woman? Where did both male and female meet and who taught them to mate? What were their names and their children's?

3.Why is it that we have not seen anybody formed through evolution again or is not a continuos process?

4. Where did the evolution scientists say the various kinds of plants emanate from? What is the source of their seeds?

5. How did they say the sea came to existence? How and where is the air formed?

6. What did they say about dreams? How do people go into dreams and what is responsible for dreaming?

So, soooo many questions. Please throw more light especially on the questions.

I believe that God created the universe and everything in it including our world and our species but i don't believe that he did it the way that the bible or the quran say he did. I believe that he created humans through the process of evolution.

After the big bang, it took a couple billion years for our planet to form. A combination of solid matter, gases and intense heat allowed our planet to come about. all the water on our planet came from gases that have cooled down and turned into liquid.

Life on our planet began in the form of microbial life which existed within primordial ooze. so technically, we did come from the earth, but we came from micro organisms within a liquid environment so, the quran is actually closer than the bible.

Humans have existed for a couple million years, but homo sapiens (intelligent humans) evolved several thousand years ago.

And as for your last question, there are many reasons why we dream,that is a whole nother topic.

thelonelyshadow:


I believe that God created the universe and everything in it including our world and our species but i don't believe that he did it the way that the bible or the quran say he did. I believe that he created humans through the process of evolution.

After the big bang, it took a couple billion years for our planet to form. A combination of solid matter, gases and intense heat allowed our planet to come about. all the water on our planet came from gases that have cooled down and turned into liquid.

Life on our planet began in the form of microbial life which existed within primordial ooze. so technically, we did come from the earth, but we came from micro organisms within a liquid environment so, the quran is actually closer than the bible.

Humans have existed for a couple million years, but homo sapiens (intelligent humans) evolved several thousand years ago.

And as for your last question, there are many reasons why we dream,that is a whole nother topic.

No problem since you said you believe it is God who created everything only that you receive His message from scientists. You have right to your own belief and opinion.

Unfortunately, many of those who convey God's messages to you don't believe in the existence of God. How do you reconcile that?

There are still many important questions you are yet to answer. Why is it that we don't see persons created through evolution again? Is it not a continuos process? We should have been seeing humans yet to be completely formed everywhere especially in the bush. Has God stopped creating by evolution?

Who first came to existence - man or woman? Did they come to being in the same location? If no, where did they meet? How did they know what their reproductive organs are meant for.

Still sooo many unaswered questions. Those evolution scientist should be able to have those questions and many others answered in their book.

truthman2012:

No problem since you said you believe it is God who created everything only that you receive His message from scientists. You have right to your own belief and opinion.

Unfortunately, many of those who convey God's messages to you don't believe in the existence of God. How do you reconcile that?

There are still many important questions you are yet to answer. Why is it that we don't see persons created through evolution again? Is it not a continuos process? We should have been seeing humans yet to be completely formed everywhere especially in the bush. Has God stopped creating by evolution?

Who first came to existence - man or woman? Did they come to being in the same location? If no, where did they meet? How did they know what their reproductive organs are meant for.

Still sooo many unaswered questions. Those evolution scientist should be able to have those questions and many others answered in their book.

Unlike most people, it is very easy for me to connect science and religion. In fact,i believe that science and religion have a lot more in common than people tend to believe.

For your questions, evolution is a slow process that takes hundreds of thousands of years to take effect. By the time our species reaches a new evolutionary stage, we will all be long dead. Also, scientists have discovered that evolution within our species is slowing down and so, it might take even longer for us to change.

Science does not have all the answers, but neither does religion. In due time, more and more answers will be revealed to us.

Man is a species fashioned by advanced genetic engineering. By visiting extraterrestrials who melded their genes to those of earth hominids to create 'Man'.

Ancient men saw these beings as 'gods' due to the low level of education and technology on earth etc.

From all indications, those visitors did play the role of 'gods' in their dealings with the people.

But they were really just a more advanced civilization of mortal beings like us.

Every race and people have a tradition of encountering these 'gods' in antiquity.

These ancient visitors are the root of religion and hierarchy (kingship).

When 'the gods' were creating man, it wasn't a straightforward affair. They made many errors, and tried many other configurations before finally settling on man.

Below is a mural of Egyptian dignitaries (circa 3600 BC). Those beings looking half human half other, are not fantasies. According to the the most hallowed Egyptian texts and testimonies, those beings EXISTED IN FLESH AND BLOOD AND MINGLED WITH PEOPLE. MANY WERE HIGHLY LEARNED DIGNITARIES.

Rossikk: When 'the gods' were creating man, it wasn't a straightforward affair. They made many errors, and tried many other configurations before finally settling on man.

Below is a mural of Egyptian dignitaries (circa 3600 BC). Those beings looking half human half other, are not fantasies. According to the the most hallowed Egyptian texts and testimonies, those beings EXISTED IN FLESH AND BLOOD AND MINGLED WITH PEOPLE. MANY WERE HIGHLY LEARNED DIGNITARIES.

All you are saying, and even evolution cannot be found in the Bible or Quran. The thread is about the two Books . To avoid unneccesary diversion, I will appreciate it if we limit our discussions to the subject.

truthman2012:

All you are saying, and even evolution cannot be found in the Bible or Quran. The thread is about the two Books . To avoid unneccesary diversion, I will appreciate it if we limit our discussions to the subject.

You are wrong that what I am saying "cannot be found in the bible or Koran". It is YOUR interpretation of what you read in the bible that is a problem for you. For instance, genesis refers to the 'Elohim' - a group of 'gods', whose leader says to them "let US make man in OUR image". That straight up suggests multiple "gods" we're involved in fashioning homo sapiens. Christians will twist those words to mean something else because it contradicts their fairy tale of a single 'God' creating man. But the genesis account actually corroborates the accounts of various cultures across the world to the effect that man was fashioned by groups of visiting beings who came from 'the sky'. Today, we can extrapolate that these would have been advanced extraterrestrials with the technology to engage in advanced genetic engineering capable of developing new species like man, using methods like genetic splicing. Other biblical references to flight capabilities, such as Ezekiel's Wheel, and Elijah entering and taking off in a 'chariot of fire' also suggest very strongly, deep extraterrestrial involvement in human affairs on those early days, as do references to extant subsea capabilities - Jonah in the belly of a whale for 40 days etc. We KNOW that a man cannot reside in a whale's belly for over a month, and that "whale" would be the only possible way for pre-industrial men to describe.... a submarine.

Rossikk: You are wrong that what I am saying "cannot be found in the bible or Koran". It is YOUR interpretation of what you read in the bible that is a problem for you. For instance, genesis refers to the 'Elohim' - a group of 'gods', whose leader says to them "let US make man in OUR image". That straight up suggests multiple "gods" we're involved in fashioning homo sapiens. Christians will twist those words to mean something else because it contradicts their fairy tale of a single 'God' creating man. But the genesis account actually corroborates the accounts of various cultures across the world to the effect that man was fashioned by groups of visiting beings who came from 'the sky'. Today, we can extrapolate that these would have been advanced extraterrestrials with the technology to engage in advanced genetic engineering capable of developing new species like man, using methods like genetic splicing. Other biblical references to flight capabilities, such as Ezekiel's Wheel, and Elijah entering and taking off in a 'chariot of fire' also suggest very strongly, deep extraterrestrial involvement in human affairs on those early days, as do references to extant subsea capabilities - Jonah in the belly of a whale for 40 days etc. We KNOW that a man cannot reside in a whale's belly for over a month, and that "whale" would be the only possible way for pre-industrial men to describe.... a submarine.

Thank you very much for your contribution.

mahdino: Man in general. the clot is a congeled blood at the early stage of the embryo which clings @ Ure. Wall.

DO WE LOOK LIKE BABIES TO YOU? YOU CANNOT DECEIVE ANYBODY HEAR OH! WE ARE ALL TALKING ABOUT THE CREATION OF THE FIRST MAN AND YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE FORMATION OF A BABY IN THE WOMB. JUST ACCEPT THAT THE QURAN CONTRADICTED THE BIBLE WHEN IT SAID MAN WAS CREATED FROM A CLOT OF BLOOD AND IT SELF WHEN IT LATER SAID MAN WAS ALSO CREATED FROM DUST TOO.

mustang44: DO WE LOOK LIKE BABIES TO YOU? YOU CANNOT DECEIVE ANYBODY HEAR OH! WE ARE ALL TALKING ABOUT THE CREATION OF THE FIRST MAN AND YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE FORMATION OF A BABY IN THE WOMB. JUST ACCEPT THAT THE QURAN CONTRADICTED THE BIBLE WHEN IT SAID MAN WAS CREATED FROM A CLOT OF BLOOD AND IT SELF WHEN IT LATER SAID MAN WAS ALSO CREATED FROM DUST TOO.

I'm not trying to fool u, I am talking of scietific facts that have been proven. The first creation of man, Adam was form dust but the procreation is through reproduction, know scientist has proven that all the composition of a human body is found inside the earth (dust). U came out from your mothers womb why is it that after u have come out from your mothers womb u can go back. So also the fact that the first man Adam was created from dust his chidren cannot go back to that type of creation. I don't know if I have answered u question.

Embryology
[b](i) Man is Created from Alaq, A Leech-Like Substance

A few years ago a group of Arabs collected all information concerning embryology from the Qur'an, and followed the instruction of the Qur'an: "If ye realise this not, ask of those who possess the Message." [Al-Qur'an 16:43 & 21:7]

All the information from the Qur'an so gathered, was translated into English and presented to Prof. (Dr.) Keith Moore, who was the Professor of Embryology and Chairman of the Department of Anatomy at the University of Toronto, in Canada. At present he is one of the highest authorities in the field of Embryology. He was asked to give his opinion regarding the information present in the Qur'an concerning the field of embryology. After carefully examining the translation of the Qur'anic verses presented to him, Dr. Moore said that most of the information concerning embryology mentioned in the Qur'an is in perfect conformity with modern discoveries in the field of embryology and does not conflict with them in any way. He added that there were however a few verses, on whose scientific accuracy he could not comment. He could not say whether the statements were true or false, since he himself was not aware of the information contained therein.

There was also no mention of this information in modern writings and studies on embryology. One such verse is: "Proclaim! (or read!) In the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created – created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood." [Al-Qur'an 96:1-2]

The word alaq besides meaning a congealed clot of blood also means something that clings, a leech-like substance. Dr. Keith Moore had no knowledge whether an embryo in the initial stages appears like a leech. To check this out he studied the initial stage of the embryo under a very powerful microscope in his laboratory and compared what he observed with a diagram of a leech and he was astonished at the striking resemblance between the two!

In the same manner, he acquired more information on embryology that was hitherto not known to him, from the Qur'an. Dr. Keith Moore answered about eighty questions dealing with embryological data mentioned in the Qur'an and Hadith. Noting that the information contained in the Qur'an and Hadith was in full agreement with the latest discoveries in the field of embryology, Prof. Moore said, "If I was asked these questions thirty years ago, I would not have been able to answer half of them for lack of scientific information."

Dr. Keith Moore had earlier authored the book, 'The Developing Human'. After acquiring new knowledge from the Qur'an, he wrote, in 1982, the 3rd edition of the same book, 'The Developing Human'. The book was the recipient of an award for the best medical book written by a single author. This book has been translated into several major languages of the world and is used as a textbook of embryology in the first year of medical studies.

In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Dr. Moore said, "It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur'an about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God or Allah, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God or Allah." [The reference for this statement is the video tape titled 'This is the Truth'. For a copy of this video tape contact the Islamic Research Foundation]

Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson, Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, at the Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, U.S.A., proclaims: " ... these Hadiths, sayings of Muhammad peace be upon him could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available at the time of the writer (7th century). It follows that not only is there no conflict between genetics and religion (Islam) but in fact religion (Islam) may guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches … there exist statements in the Qur'an shown centuries later to be valid which support knowledge in the Qur'an having been derived from God."
(ii) Man Created from a Drop Emitted from Between the Backbone and the Ribs

"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted – proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs." [Al-Qur'an 86:5-7]

In embryonic stages, the reproductive organs of the male and female, i.e. the testicles and the ovaries, begin their development near the kidney between the spinal column and the eleventh and twelfth ribs. Later they descend; the female gonads (ovaries) stop in the pelvis while the male gonads (testicles) continue their descent before birth to reach the scrotum through the inguinal canal. Even in the adult after the descent of the reproductive organ, these organs receive their nerve supply and blood supply from the Abdominal Aorta, which is in the area between the backbone (spinal column) and the ribs. Even the lymphatic drainage and the venous return goes to the same area.
(iii) Human Beings Created from Nutfah (Minute Quantity of Liquid)

The Glorious Qur'an mentions no less than eleven times that the human being is created from nutfah, which means a minute quantity of liquid or a trickle of liquid which remains after emptying a cup. This is mentioned in several verses of the Qur'an including 22:5 and 23:13. [The same is also mentioned in the Qur'an in 16:4, 18:37, 35:11, 36:77, 40:67, 53:46, 75:37, 76:2 and 80:19]

Science has confirmed in recent times that only one out of an average of three million sperms is required for fertilising the ovum. This means that only a 1/three millionth part or 0.00003% of the quantity of sperms that are emitted is required for fertilisation.
(iv) Human Beings Created Sulalah (Quintessence of Liquid)

"And made his progeny from a quintessence of the nature of a fluid despised." [Al-Qur'an 32:8]

The Arabic word sulalah means quintessence or the best part of a whole. We have come to know now that only one single spermatozoon that penetrates the ovum is required for fertilization, out of the several millions produced by man. That one spermatozoon out of several millions, is referred to in the Qur'an as sulalah. Sulalah also means gentle extraction from a fluid. The fluid refers to both male and female germinal fluids containing gametes. Both ovum and sperm are gently extracted from their environments in the process of fertilization.
(v) Man Created from Nutfatun Amshaj (Mingled Liquids)

Consider the following Qur'anic verse: "Verily We created Man from a drop of mingled sperm." [Al-Qur'an 76:2]

The Arabic word nutfatin amshajin means mingled liquids. According to some commentators of the Qur'an, mingled liquids refers to the male or female agents or liquids. After mixture of male and female gamete, the zygote still remains nutfah. Mingled liquids can also refer to spermatic fluid that is formed of various secretions that come from various glands. Therefore nutfatin amsaj, i.e. a minute quantity of mingled fluids refers to the male and female gametes (germinal fluids or cells) and part of the surrounding fluids.
(vi) Sex Determination

The sex of a fetus is determined by the nature of the sperm and not the ovum. The sex of the child, whether female or male, depends on whether the 23rd pair of chromosomes is XX or XY respectively. Primarily sex determination occurs at fertilization and depends upon the type of sex chromosome in the sperm that fertilizes an ovum. If it is an 'X' bearing sperm that fertilizes the ovum, the fetus is a female and if it is a 'Y' bearing sperm then the fetus is a male.

"That He did create in pairs – male and female, from a seed when lodged (in its place)." [Al-Qur'an 53:45-46]

The Arabic word nutfah means a minute quantity of liquid and tumna means ejaculated or planted. Therefore nutfah specifically refers to sperm because it is ejaculated. The Qur'an says: "Was he not a drop of sperm emitted (in lowly form)? Then did he become a clinging clot; then did (Allah) make and fashion (him) in due proportion. And of him He made two sexes, male and female." [Al-Qur'an 75:37-39]

Here again it is mentioned that a small quantity (drop) of sperm (indicated by the word nutfatan min maniyyin) which comes from the man is responsible for the sex of the fetus.

Mothers-in-law in the Indian subcontinent, by and large prefer having male grandchildren and often blame their daughters-in-law if the child is not of the desired sex. If only they knew that the determining factor is the nature of the male sperm and not the female ovum! If they were to blame anybody, they should blame their sons and not their daughters-in-law since both the Qur'an and Science hold that it is the male fluid that is responsible for the sex of the child!
(vii) Foetus Protected by Three Veils of Darkness

"He makes you, in the wombs of your mothers, in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness." [Al-Qur'an 39:6]

According to Prof. Keith Moore these three veils of darkness in the Qur'an refer to:

anterior abdominal wall of the mother
the uterine wall
the amnio-chorionic membrane.

(viii) Embryonic Stages

"Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay); then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed; then we made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then We made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then We developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!" [Al-Qur'an 23:12-14]

In this verse Allah states that man is created from a small quantity of liquid which is placed in a place of rest, firmly fixed (well established or lodged) for which the Arabic word qararin makin is used.

The uterus is well protected from the posterior by the spinal column supported firmly by the back muscles. The embryo is further protected by the amniotic sac containing the amniotic fluid. Thus the foetus has a well protected dwelling place. This small quantity of fluid is made into alaqah, meaning something which clings. It also means a leech-like substance. Both descriptions are scientifically acceptable as in the very early stages the foetus clings to the wall and also appears to resemble the leech in shape. It also behaves like a leech (blood sucker) and acquires its blood supply from the mother through the placenta. The third meaning of the word alaqah is a blood clot. During this alaqah stage, which spans the third and fourth week of pregnancy, the blood clots within closed vessels. Hence the embryo acquires the appearance of a blood clot in addition to acquiring the appearance of a leech. In 1677, Hamm and Leeuwenhoek were the first scientists to observe human sperm cells (spermatozoa) using a microscope. They thought that a sperm cell contained a miniature human being which grew in the uterus to form a newborn. This was known as the perforation theory. When scientists discovered that the ovum was bigger than the sperm, it was thought by De Graf and others that the foetus existed in a miniature form in the ovum. Later, in the 18th century Maupertuis propagated the theory of biparental inheritance. The alaqah is transformed into mudghah which means 'something that is chewed (having teeth marks)' and also something that is tacky and small which can be put in the mouth like gum. Both these explanations are scientifically correct. Prof. Keith Moore took a piece of plaster seal and made it into the size and shape of the early stage of foetus and chewed it between the teeth to make it into a 'Mudgha'. He compared this with the photographs of the early stage of foetus. The teeth marks resembled the 'somites' which is the early formation of the spinal column.

This mudghah is transformed into bones (izam). The bones are clothed with intact flesh or muscles (lahm). Then Allah makes it into another creature.

Prof. Marshall Johnson is one of the leading scientists in US, and is the head of the Department of Anatomy and Director of the Daniel Institute at the Thomas Jefferson University in Philadelphia in US. He was asked to comment on the verses of the Qur'an dealing with embryology. He said that the verses of the Qur'an describing the embryological stages cannot be a coincidence. He said it was probable that Muhammad (peace be upon him) had a powerful microscope. On being reminded that the Qur'an was revealed 1,400 years ago, and microscopes were invented centuries after the time of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), Prof. Johnson laughed and admitted that the first microscope invented could not magnify more than 10 times and could not show a clear picture. Later he said: "I see nothing here in conflict with the concept that Divine intervention was involved when Muhammad (peace be upon him) recited the Qur'an."

According to Dr. Keith Moore, the modern classification of embryonic development stages which is adopted throughout the world, is not easily comprehensible, since it identifies stages on a numerical basis i.e. stage I, stage II, etc. The divisions revealed in the Qur'an are based on distinct and easily identifiable forms or shapes, which the embryo passes through. These are based on different phases of prenatal development and provide elegant scientific descriptions that are comprehensible and practical.

Similar embryological stages of human development have been described in the following verses:

"Was he not a drop of sperm emitted (in lowly form)? Then did he become a clinging clot; then did (Allah) make and fashion (him) in due proportion. And of him He made two sexes, male and female." [Al-Qur'an 75:37-39]

"Him Who created thee, fashioned thee in due proportion, and gave thee a just bias; in whatever form He wills, does He put thee together." [Al-Qur'an 82:7-8]
(ix) Embryo Partly Formed and Partly Unformed

At the mugdhah stage, if an incision is made in the embryo and the internal organ is dissected, it will be seen that most of them are formed while the others are not yet completely formed. According to Prof. Johnson, if we describe the embryo as a complete creation, then we are only describing that part which is already created. If we describe it as an incomplete creation, then we are only describing that part which is not yet created. So, is it a complete creation or an incomplete creation? There is no better description of this stage of embryogenesis than the Qur'anic description, "partly formed and partly unformed", as in the following verse: "We created you out of dust, then out of sperm, then out of a leech-like clot, then out of a morsel of flesh, partly formed and partly unformed." [Al-Qur'an 22:5]

Scientifically we know that at this early stage of development there are some cells which are differentiated and there are some cells that are undifferentiated – some organs are formed and yet others unformed.
(x) Sense of Hearing and Sight

The first sense to develop in a developing human embryo is hearing. The foetus can hear sounds after the 24th week. Subsequently, the sense of sight is developed and by the 28th week, the retina becomes sensitive to light. Consider the following Qur'anic verses related to the development of the senses in the embryo: "And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding)." [Al-Qur'an 32:9]

"Verily We created man from a drop of mingled sperm, in order to try him: So We gave him (the gifts), of hearing and sight." [Al-Qur'an 76:2]

"It is He Who has created for you (the faculties of) hearing, sight, feeling and understanding: little thanks It is ye give!" [Al-Qur'an 23:78]

In all these verses the sense of hearing is mentioned before that of sight. Thus the Qur'anic description matches with the discoveries in modern embryology.

salam brothers n sisters,

came across this article late:the quran refer to when it says Allah createth man from clot was us in parable,
but the creation with dust (clay ) was adam


@ truthman2012 & larrymoore

“Verily We created man from a product of wet earth; then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a
safe lodging; then We fashioned the drop into a clot, then We fashioned the clot into a little lump,
then We fashioned the little lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced
it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators!” [23:12-14]

adam de 1st creation of man was from dust (earth) and we children of adam from clot ( clot into a little lump,
then We fashioned the little lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced
it another creation.

u just dont read a part of the quran or even the bible and come up with a conclusion.wise up !!

goringi521:
salam brothers n sisters,

came across this article late:the quran refer to when it says Allah createth man from clot was us in parable,
but the creation with dust (clay ) was adam


@ truthman2012 & larrymoore

“Verily We created man from a product of wet earth; then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a
safe lodging; then We fashioned the drop into a clot, then We fashioned the clot into a little lump,
then We fashioned the little lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced
it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators!” [23:12-14]

adam de 1st creation of man was from dust (earth) and we children of adam from clot ( clot into a little lump,
then We fashioned the little lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced
it another creation.

u just dont read a part of the quran or even the bible and come up with a conclusion.wise up !!

How was man created?

By wet earth.
By clay
By semen (whose semem?)
By bones (whose bone?)

The quran is full of DISCREPANCIES.

truthman2012:



Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

OK. Were u also created from dust? tell me how the bible talk about how you were created.

Quran 96:1-2
Read: In the name of thy Lord Who createth.

Createth man from clot (semen).

Yes. Isn't this obvious? Even modern science agrees to this that we come from semen.

COMMENTS:

The Bible says man was created from dust and the Quran says no, man was created from clot (semen or sperm).

[b]
-Quran says man was created from clot (semen), how can you refute that? Or you wanna say this also is a scientific error? Modern science proves this to be right. Case closed on that.

-Quran has detailed everything and not even the bible has the match.

Quran 40:67

“It is He Who has created you from dust then from a sperm-drop, then from a leech-like clot; then does he get you out (into the light) as a child: then lets you (grow and) reach your age of full strength; then lets you become old,- though of you there are some who die before;- and lets you reach a term appointed; in order that you may learn wisdom.

This reference to man's creation from “تُرَابٍ”, or dust, implies the origin of mankind viz. the creation of the first human being, Adam from dust: “[“And Allah did create you from dust, then from Nutfah”], means, He initiated the creation of the first man Adam from dust, then He created his offspring from semen.

Modern science has, by now, explained the entire process of the creation of a human being, down to those minute, microscopic intricacies that were invisible to the human eye centuries ago

- Now as the bible has said, Were u also created from dust ? I need an answer to this.[/b]

I believe the Bible because when Adam and Eve sinned, God pronounced they were dust and to dust they would return (Genesis 3:19). This is why at death everybody turns to dust.

bla bla bla
what were u created from! from dust?

I don't believe the Quran. Clot (semen) is only applicable in pro-creation and not at creation. Adam was the first human created by God. If Adam was created from clot (semen), whose semen did God use?

Is the Quran credible?

this is what happens when you try at all means to paint Islam bad. You even show how sense lacking you are the more.

Quran said Adam the first man was created from Dust and we the subsequent offsprings was created from semen.

only a fool!sh individual won't understand this!

Were u created from dust?

mubarakopeyemi:


Old man

First man Adam Quran says was created from Dust
Subsequent Humans from Clot.

what's the discrepancy here? they've killed off your argument but you won't stop goofing around.

Why is your intellect creating a problem within itself? u should have been more sensible than this lame argument

Cheers

Liar!

Where did you get ''Subsequent Humans from Clot''?

Genesis 1:26 make us to know that God called the Trinity and together the man was created out of the duct.

You can agree with me that when man died, he is buried in the soil that shows that the man belongs to the dust

mubarakopeyemi

OK. Were u also created from dust? tell me how the bible talk about how you were created.

You don't know the difference between creation and procreation.

God of the Bible says concerning procreation : ''Be fruitful and multiply (Gen. 1:28). This procreation for you.

Yes. Isn't this obvious? Even modern science agrees to this that we come from Fluid.

Poor reasoning!

It is only in procreation you have Fluid (sperm). Whose sperm did allahh use to create Adam?

-Quran has detailed everything and not even the bible has the match.

Quran 40:67

“It is He Who has created you from dust then from a sperm-drop, then from a leech-like clot; then does he get you out (into the light) as a child: then lets you (grow and) reach your age of full strength; then lets you become old,- though of you there are some who die before;- and lets you reach a term appointed; in order that you may learn wisdom.

This reference to man's creation from “تُرَابٍ”, or dust, implies the origin of mankind viz. the creation of the first human being, Adam from dust: “[“And Allah did create you from dust, then from Nutfah”], means, He initiated the creation of the first man Adam from dust, then He created his offspring from Fluid.

In his attempt to deceive humanity, allahh, though a demon lost his sense of science.

How could he say he created man from sperm-drop? Whose sperm did he use for Adam?

Was Adam created as a baby growing?

He was totally confused in his efforts to deceive.

I'm yet to come across a muslim who has the ability to reason fine. Islamic allahh did that deliberately so that muslims would not be sensible enough to discover him as satan.

mubarakopeyemi:


Blind man. how else should I explain.
Allah created Adam from dust I repeat Dust!. and subsequent Human from Semen. Are you blind ??
didn't you see my explanation. Chai. Your brain is indeed depleted. Why are u soo fool!sh old man.

Nawa for u. Apart from being boring. You're now more stu.pid

Your explanation is a formulated lie.

Where did allahh tell you he first created man from dust and subsequent human from sperm? Quote the quran where allahh made such explanation.

Allahh even forgot to mention Eve throughout the quran but shouting Mary everywhere. Deceiver.

The problem is this people just pick one verse of the koran and make conclusions,that's too dumb for a human being to do...ADAM was created from dust or clay or mud--koran38vs76,koran3vs59,koran15vs28
Now the verse stating that Human being were created from a clot points to the means of reproduction...not to the actual creation of Adam..
Or are against reproduction in human?

truthman2012:


Your explanation is a formulated lie.

Where did allahh tell you he first created man from dust and subsequent human from sperm? Quote the quran where allahh made such explanation.

Allahh even forgot to mention Eve throughout the quran but shouting Mary everywhere. Deceiver.

Quran 3:59
Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was.

Now I'm done

See you on another senseless thread of yours.
As usual

mubarakopeyemi:


okay. let me say offsprings of Adam since your brain is depleted. You won't be able to reason fine. I understand.

..lol retard gidi

Rilwayne001:


How do you want him to understand ? He has been smoking weed since he was a teenager, now the thing is having effect on his brain.... That dude is suffering from both delirium ( acute confusional state) and Dementia those brain sicknesss where you find it hard to understand simple explanation, confusion as well as forgetting things easily.

I like your meme BTW, hahahahahahahaha cant just stop laffin

Liars, children of the Devil.

Keep deceiving yourself, very soon you will discover allahh (satan) was serious when he said all muslims are going to hell.