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Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by billagreen(m): 3:42pm On May 19, 2017 |
Firstly, it's a very stupid thing to make me accept that I am a Muslim because it won't change the fact that Jesus is the only true God while others are demons. first you are not supposed to be here, and now going by the advises you've read before your conclusion let me tell you what real Islam is all about, you don't give money or alms for any reason other that Allah / God sake alone.. . You can give to who so ever that asks but only give for the sake of God, not because you are finding luck. As it's a known fact that you can't comment here with out accepting there is no other God but Allah.. So what came over you? |
Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by BetaThings: 4:09pm On May 19, 2017 |
billagreen: Excellent point, If one gives in the belief that the pagan God has any power to benefit, it is wrong billagreen: Actually that condition was inserted into the Islamic section by Seun upon the instigation of CHRISTIAN moderators in accordance to their usual plot, scheme and conspiracy to tar Islam with a bad brush |
Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by BetaThings: 4:11pm On May 19, 2017 |
I remember this hadith Ahmed reports that Tariq bin Shihab narrated that Allah's Messenger (Peace be upon him) said: "A man entered Paradise because of a fly, and a man entered Hell-fire because of a fly. The Companions asked, "How was that possible O Messenger of Allah?" He said, "Two men passed by the people who had an idol by which they would not allow anyone to pass without making sacrifice to it. They ordered one man to make a sacrifice. He said., 'I have nothing to present as an offering. ' The people told him, 'Sacrifice something, even if it be a fly. ' So he presented a fly (to their Idol). They opened the way for him, and thus he entered the Hell fire. They said to the other, 'Sacrifice something. ' He said, 'I will never sacrifice anything to any other than Allah, Most Majestic and Glorious. ' So they struck his throat and killed him, and so he entered Paradise." 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by tintingz(m): 4:18pm On May 19, 2017 |
BetaThings:I ignored that part because that's how some "I to know" Muslims behave. He doesn't understand the context and the next was to say "I had a problem", other Muslims knew what my question was and they replied without no form of ego, it is not hard to figure out the context of my question, it is only the ITKs that behave like that. Actually this is relativeI had a problem then because I was worried given pagans charity because of some religious dogmas. I don't have a problem now because I put humanity first. It is not somebody said or somethingBut tbaba was looking for sheikh to answer the question, he doesn't even get what the thread was all about, are there no pagans in U.S or what? |
Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by Empiree: 11:25pm On May 19, 2017 |
tintingz:I revived it lol. .lucky you it made fp |
Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by tintingz(m): 2:41am On May 20, 2017 |
BetaThings:What is the difference from this hadith you quoted(about pagans) and the hadiths that ordered apostates to be killed or the hadith's that threaten unbelievers with death if they don't accept Islam, Allah(SWT) and Muhammad(SA)? Is that just? |
Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by tintingz(m): 2:42am On May 20, 2017 |
Empiree:Thanks for resurrecting this thread o. |
Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by BetaThings: 7:30am On May 21, 2017 |
tintingz: Would you care to explain 1. what you understand by the hadith I quoted 2. the full text of the hadith about killing apostate and 3. the full text of the one that threatens unbelievers with death if they don't accept Islam tintingz:My understanding is that others might try to derail a thread, but certainly not by the OP Is it just to talk about ahadeeth that you did not not quote in full and explain, especially the context When I read the article below, I looked for comments and found Christians were talking about context, I did not have time to join issues with them but here without explain ahadeeth in full and the context, you are talking about justice! http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/violence-more-common-in-bible-than-quran-text-analysis-reveals-a6863381.html Further analysis found the Old Testament was more violent than the New Testament, and more than twice as violent as the Quran |
Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by BetaThings: 7:52am On May 21, 2017 |
tintingz: If you ask a question, you the OP have the responsibility to provide the context, otherwise you would get an inappropriate response The people who "knew the context" corrected him and he backed up from commenting, saying Allah knows best tintingz: He did not say specifically that you have a problem; he said, "there is a problem" it could mean 1. You, the OP, have a problem 2. The way Islam is being taught is problematic or what is being taught is causing problems 3. Teaching proper islamic knowledge has been neglected You speak about justice,so you too should not just judge others without restraint. Ask for clarifications first. We should not just assume that this person is arrogant because he thinks "he knows too much", and we too might be falling into the same error tintingz: Actually you cannot make that claim in regard to what Tbaba said. Tbaba actually put humanity first Read again what he said tbaba1234: My understanding is that he is saying we should not restrict what has not being restricted by Allah If a motorist is approached at a traffic stop and the other person claims that he wants to undergo surgery and needs money etc, do you often see the motorist ask him/her her religion, tribe etc. The motorist usually helps or decides not to without asking such questions But the same motorist who might be a Muslim will might turn down a request by the same person who is now attired like a traditional worshiper who now says the traditional deity will bless the Muslim. I don't need the blessing of a traditional deity and will NOT give because of that. Like somebody mentioned a group of Muslims refused to give in the name of Osun but did in the name of Allah I cannot see a Christian faulting this - they will give in Jesus' name but not in the name of any other Prophet they don't recognise We know that Muslims accord Isa (AS) a lot of respect, but they don't return the favour - so try asking them to give in name of Prophet Muhammad(SAW) tintingz:You seem to believe there are no scholars anywhere Every religion has people who have devoted themselves to studying the religion and tenets Even in every sphere of life, there are people who are considered authorities - In law, they speak of Denning, people used to speak of Timi the Law in Nigeria Christians consult their priests, reverends etc some with PhDs in Theology who have studied biblical texts the most Traditional worshipers consult priests who have studied traditions the most But you seem to think it is wrong for Tbaba to consult a Sheik who perhaps has a PhD in Islamic jurisprudence! |
Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by tintingz(m): 9:16am On May 21, 2017 |
BetaThings:I don't have time quoting hadiths, you can go quote them out. The hadiths that talked about killing apostates and the hadith about pagans killing Muslims are the same. A Muslim did a sacrifice to their(pagan) Gods by killing a fly and his life was spared while the other was killed for not doing so. In Islamic sharia when a Muslim is an apostate he/she will be sentence to death. Islam do sacrifices to Allah the same way the pagans do sacrifices to their Gods, the same practice. What is the fuss all about? My understanding is that others might try to derail a thread, but certainly not by the OPI wonder why you're always involving christian to any arguments, can't you do without them? |
Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by tintingz(m): 9:54am On May 21, 2017 |
BetaThings:Lol, so the little I narrated in my post was hard to figure out? This was what the OP post: As i got down from the bike at a bus stop in lagos this ifa woman as we see them on Lagos streets begging for alm came to me beggin and i gave her money for Allah sake. ^^^ How does this need more context? Again are there no pagans in U.S where he lived? He did not say specifically that you have a problem; he said, "there is a problem"Mr. Defender he said " The fact that you have to ask this question is a problem..". The fact that I asked the said question is a problem, which means I had a problem asking such question? You speak about justice,so you too should not just judge others without restraint. Ask for clarifications first. We should not just assume that this person is arrogant because he thinks "he knows too much", and we too might be falling into the same errorHe has already showed an arrogant, egoistic, ITK behavior from his first post until Maclatunji pointed his arrogant out and he later turn two faced. He's not the first Muslim I came across that posses this. Actually you cannot make that claim in regard to what Tbaba said. Tbaba actually put humanity firstWhat humanity first? You can see the thread was divided, why because you have to be worried about some religious principles before giving alms to the pagans. I won't have created this thread if I had to worry about religious principles before giving pagans charity. I gave a pagan money few days back without no worries or consulting some sheikhs or scholar in matter of humanity. Many Muslims will be worried "oh my money will be used for rituals" "oh this pagans will bless me with their Gods name" "oh this people are evil believers" etc, but non of this is my problem, anytime I pass by and see this Osun, Ifa worshipers begging I just shake my head in pity about them being rejected and neglected by people, they were loved and cherished years/centuries back. Like somebody mentioned a group of Muslims refused to give in the name of Osun but did in the name of AllahAlways involving Christians as usual. You seem to believe there are no scholars anywhereThis is a matter of caring for humanity not a matter of consulting a PhD scholar, you can see the reason I had a problem then. |
Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by BetaThings: 10:24am On May 21, 2017 |
tintingz: Sorry, since you have resorted to name calling, I am calling it quits That is not my style |
Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by tintingz(m): 10:27am On May 21, 2017 |
BetaThings:Sorry, apologies. |
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