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Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by Nobody: 5:31pm On Jun 08, 2013
Although this article has been brought up for discussion several times but whatever concerns the security of lives and property of over 150 million Nigerians cannot be over-emphasized. Predictions were made about the disintegration of Nigeria and events unfolding in the country seem to be following the predictions but only few if any are concerned and have raised alarm! If you think that you and your family will escape, you're in for a shocker. If you think it's only the north that will be affected, you're 'on a long thing'. What is happening now could lead to a bloody civil war (the one that happened in Siera leone may be a child's play; God forbid). You may be thinking of escaping to neighbouring African countries, but you know what?, they are being prepared psychologically to hate you and possibly hack you down if you dare cross the border during the mahem (God forbid). Do you know that the northerners are silently being brainwashed that Bokoharam is a 'southern Nigeria plot'? You know the implication of that when the time comes (remember they dominate the armed forces). For instance, it was reported today that 3 Massob members were killed by solders. The offence they committed may not require shooting at all. The 'security forces' may be on revenge mission.
So what is the solution? I think there is need to find amicable solution to the security challenges in the country. There is need to further exploit the dialogue option. Remember, they (Bokoharam etc) may already be hybernating in your backyard waiting for the marching order (May their plan never succeed). Pls read this excerpt and decide for yourself.


WORKING TO THE 2015 ANSWER-HOW THE US PLANS TO DISMEMBER NIGERIA BY 2015

Source:http://newsrescue.com/boko-haram-a-cia-covert-operation-americas-destabilization-plots-against-nigeria-greenwhite-coalition/

It is neither a coincidence nor guesswork that the National Intelligence Council of the United States Government estimated that Nigeria will disintegrate by the year 2015. The whole report actually is a coded statement of intentions on how using destabilization plots the US plans to eventually dismember Nigeria.

Related: NewsRescue- Nigeria Targeted For Destruction: Gordon Duff, US
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The whole goal of the destabilization campaign is to ensure that Nigeria is weakened internally by intractable crises leading up to 2015 when the next general elections are expected to come up. By that year there will be so much mutual suspicion among Nigerians that the elections itself might not hold or if they did at all will set the stage for a full rapture of the Nigerian state. By its calculation and design, the Nigerian state will be so fractious by then; it will be fully ripe for intervention and break up. It is in actualization of this plan that the US strategic planners on Nigeria have devised a three stage plan of implementation.

Related: NewsRescue- US Army Prepares for Nigeria’s Possible Break-up (2015)
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Stage 1: Pakistanizing Nigeria
With the scourge of Boko Haram as an existential reality, in the coming months the spate of bombings and attacks on public buildings are likely to escalate. High value symbolic targets like churches, mosques and large congregations of people of both faiths will be targeted.

There will also be escalation in provocative statements and incitements by groups to violence. For good measure and effect, the bombings and attacks will be staged on days of observance of religious activities.

The goal is to exacerbate tension and mutual suspicion among adherents of the two faiths in Nigeria and leading to sectarian violence.

This pattern of destabilization operation is taken out of the Pakistani manual of destabilization where a sustained spate of CIA sponsored bombings and sectarian violence stretched the ability and resources of the law and order agencies to cope rendering the country weak and vulnerable to foreign intervention.

Stage 2: Internationalizing the Crisis

Having the set the stage for an intractable sectarian violence pitting Christians against Muslims and between the various disparate groups in the country, there will be calls from the United States, European Union and United Nations for a halt to the violence. A plethora of advocacy groups around the world will struggle for the photo opportunity to mouth concerns about the carnage and humanitarian catastrophe. They will try to make a great show of providing humanitarian aid. For effect, there will be carpet bombing coverage by the International media on the Nigerian crisis with so-called experts discussing all the ramifications who will strive to create the impression that only benevolent foreign intervention could resolve the crisis.

There will be a deluge of international conferences at various capitals around the world all ostensibly aimed to save Nigerians from themselves. Meanwhile away from all the public flurry of activities, the US which initiated the crisis in the first place will be secretly drawing up plans to carve out Nigeria for its strategic and economic benefits.

Stage 3: the Great Carve out under UN Mandate

Following worldwide outrage at the scale of carnage resulting from all out war among various sections of Nigeria secretly induced by the United States and its allies, the stage will now shift to the United Nations where debates will take place on how the world body will work to resolve the crisis.

There will be proposals first for an international peace keeping force to intervene and separate the warring groups and or for a UN mandate for various parts of Nigeria to come under mandated occupying powers. Of course behind the scenes the US and its allies would have secretly worked out which areas of Nigeria to occupy guided as it were by naked economic interests.

It is trite really which power or powers eventually occupies Nigeria for whatever reasons. By the time the UN comes to take a decision to hand over Nigeria for occupation under its mandate, no part of Nigeria will emerge or profit truly from the exercise. The rump areas of Nigeria will all come under occupation and puppet governments will then be set up at the behest of the occupying powers. Nigeria’s fall will be like that of humpty-dumpty, into pieces beyond recognition.

The main beneficiary will of course be the United States which started all this in the first place and which will be there to profit at the end. By engineering the break up of Nigeria, the United States would have eliminated a potential continental rival paving the way to the institution of a Pax Americana in Africa and secondly it would have limited its main global strategic rival China from direct access to badly needed energy and other mineral resources on the resource rich African continent.

QUESTIONS WE NEED TO ASK OURSELVES AS NIGERIANS

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Against this background Nigerians need to stop and ask critical questions; what real purpose does it serve to deliberately leak a supposedly classified report from a US Intelligence organ normally restricted to only a handful of US policy makers only, to the media and for good measure ensure its wide circulation in the country against whom the action is targeted? Does that not indicate a statement of intent by the country that originated the report to serve as psychological intimidation for the purpose of softening up the targeted country making it ripe for intervention?

In any routine investigation of an act, investigators usually call in the statements of material witnesses before or after the act whether deliberately uttered or inadvertently; does the statement by the United States National Intelligence Council on the break up of Nigeria in 2015 not amount to culpability in this regard especially in view of the escalation in the seemingly intractable acts of subversive violence taking place in Nigeria after that statement was released and also in view of US antecedents in matters such as this around the world?

Why is it that a country which has always been known for its resilience and ability to resolve its problems without outside interference? Is this not indicative of the very Nigerian saying that the witch cried in the night and the child died in the morning?

Why is someone somewhere hell bent on engineering Nigerians to form the unNigerian habit of harbouring and perpetrating desperate, extreme and unforgiving actions against themselves?

Should we all 160million of us stand idly by and allow the United States achieve its selfish and diabolical aim of sowing discord in our country leaving us with widows, orphans and humanitarian problems as it has done in other places? Are we going to allow the labour of our heroes past which bequeathed us a nation second to none and reputed to be the backbone of Africa to die in vain?

From Vietnam to Iraq to Afghanistan and Latin America, America’s track record around the world has been nothing but ugly. In the words of its own statesmen, America has no permanent friends but permanents interests which translate into a healthy and utter disregard to the sensitivities and interests of other countries. That has pretty much formed the basis of US interaction around the world. The same situation will play itself out if we allow them in to our country.

Nigerians let us stop and think before we allow the big bad wolf in, for we will have nobody but ourselves to blame when our chickens start to get missing.

Related: NewsRescue- The Solution for Boko
http://newsrescue.com/the-solution-for-boko/

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Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by PvtParts1: 5:35pm On Jun 08, 2013
I did not need to read the article entirely to know where it is heading as I already have similar convictions.

The 5TH Columnists are playing an elaborate chess game that the Niggerians (sic) are just to dumb to understand
Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by Nobody: 5:51pm On Jun 08, 2013
Pvt. Parts:
I did not need to read the article entirely to know where it is heading as I already have similar convictions.

The 5TH Columnists are playing an elaborate chess game that the Niggerians (sic) are just to dumb to understand
Some people will soon label us conspiracy theorists despite the reality on ground. I believe it is those that are covertly sponsoring the mahem are the same people profering solution. They will never allow dialogue to materialise.
Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by ikweremilitant: 6:42pm On Jun 08, 2013
Pvt. Parts:
I did not need to read the article entirely to know where it is heading as I already have similar convictions.

The 5TH Columnists are playing an elaborate chess game that the Niggerians (sic) are just to dumb to understand
which ever way they lok at it just divide dis shit hole nd no mater d price we don't care
Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by Horus(m): 6:56pm On Jun 08, 2013
The fact is that Africans can only rise together. It is important to note that it is in the interest of the West for us to remain divided because they will retain a massive bargaining power over us. Africa is resource rich and if we worked together, we could form a price fixing cartel, like OPEC for all our resources, in the process extracting a bigger portion of value from the global economic system.

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Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by Nobody: 7:15pm On Jun 08, 2013
Horus: The fact is that Africans can only rise together. It is important to note that it is in the interest of the West for us to remain divided because they will retain a massive bargaining power over us. Africa is resource rich and if we worked together, we could form a price fixing cartel, like OPEC for all our resources, in the process extracting a bigger portion of value from the global economic system.
U're on point bro. The hatred is not only being promoted among Nigerians but also among Africans. Believe me, their long term goal is Africa as a whole and not just a section. The only solution is unity among Nigerians and among Africans.

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Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by Nobody: 7:26pm On Jun 08, 2013
That's what's up and I hope it happens by 2015. The West definitely needs to undo all the wrong(s) it did to Africa and how it underdeveloped the continent, and its people - but destroying the artificial borders. The way the whole continent is set up, Africa is too weak, without a defined identity, to challenge the West or Asia. We need to start from the scratch again. We've to destroy the artificial borders and allow the ethnic groups and similar groups create their own identities and form their own countries. With that; they'll be able to build great institutions required for nation building.

Furthermore, with the current set-up, the lousy claim about Africa forming a powerful force in the scheme of things when it comes to international politics, is just a pipe-dream. Currently, we stand for nothing. However, we're part of everything. We need to go back to our pre-colonial borders; redefine our identities; and create a new AU based on common interests.

Kudos to the yanks!!
Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by Nobody: 7:31pm On Jun 08, 2013
ShyM-X:
That's what's up and I hope it happens by 2015. The West definitely needs to undo all the wrong(s) it did to Africa and how it underdeveloped the continent, and its people - but destroying the artificial borders. The way the whole continent is set up, Africa is too weak, without a defined identity, to challenge the West or Asia. We need to start from the scratch again. We've to destroy the artificial borders and allow the ethnic groups and similar groups create their own identities and form their own countries. With that; they'll be able to build great institutions required for nation building.

Furthermore, with the current set-up, the lousy claim about Africa forming a powerful force in the scheme of things when it comes to international politics, is just a pipe-dream. Currently, we stand for nothing. However, we're part of everything. We need to go back to our pre-colonial borders; redefine our identities; and create a new AU based on common interests.

Kudos to the yanks!!

...and you think it'll be in the interest of Africans?!
Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by Nobody: 7:36pm On Jun 08, 2013
obasy09:

...and you think it'll be in the interest of Africans?!

Absolutely yes!

In the long run; Africans(Nigerians) will definitely be happy with it. There's nothing worse than a people without an identity - hence why the whole continent is a massive pile of mess. The dark continent, where nothing good happens.

Are you not tired of Africa the way it's? Heck, not even a single country on the darn continent is making progress!
Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by Nobody: 7:48pm On Jun 08, 2013
ShyM-X:


Absolutely yes!

In the long run; Africans(Nigerians) will definitely be happy with it. There's nothing worse than a people without an identity - hence why the whole continent is a massive pile of mess. The dark continent, where nothing good happens.

Are you not tired of Africa the way it's? Heck, not even a single country on the darn continent is making progress!

Have u read about the slave trade and how Africa was exploited brutally to develop the West? Have you ever wondered why West African countries are alternated
between English and French-speaking countries? It is simply to prevent unity. They are contented with the way Africa is. They just want to make sure it is weaker. They'are not going to desolve Africa into a single entity-that will mean shooting themselves in the foot.
Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by wordcat(m): 7:58pm On Jun 08, 2013
Who's afraid of Disintergration
Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by Egbagirl(f): 8:00pm On Jun 08, 2013
ShyM-X:
That's what's up and I hope it happens by 2015. The West definitely needs to undo all the wrong(s) it did to Africa and how it underdeveloped the continent, and its people - but destroying the artificial borders. The way the whole continent is set up, Africa is too weak, without a defined identity, to challenge the West or Asia. We need to start from the scratch again. We've to destroy the artificial borders and allow the ethnic groups and similar groups create their own identities and form their own countries. With that; they'll be able to build great institutions required for nation building.

Furthermore, with the current set-up, the lousy claim about Africa forming a powerful force in the scheme of things when it comes to international politics, is just a pipe-dream. Currently, we stand for nothing. However, we're part of everything. We need to go back to our pre-colonial borders; redefine our identities; and create a new AU based on common interests.

Kudos to the yanks!!

I don't know if I agree with this. I'm not sure about starting from scratch. Even if Ed break up into 50 smaller countries, won't we still need to work together in order to make the continent rise? As we are now, we already have inter-state beef and tensions so I don't think undoing the borders will entirely solve the problem. We need to be more selfless and more conscious of the common good. There will probably be disunity within smaller states anyway. All you need is grouping which already existing on a smaller scale.

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Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by Nobody: 8:05pm On Jun 08, 2013
Egba girl:

I don't know if I agree with this. I'm not sure about starting from scratch. Even if Ed break up into 50 smaller countries, won't we still need to work together in order to make the continent rise? As we are now, we already have inter-state beef and tensions so I don't think undoing the borders will entirely solve the problem. We need to be more selfless and more conscious of the common good. There will probably be disunity within smaller states anyway. All you need is grouping which already existing on a smaller scale.

I think you're right.
Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by Egbagirl(f): 8:10pm On Jun 08, 2013
obasy09:

I think you're right.

I honestly fear a civil war. We can't afford to be another Sierra Leone, Liberia, Uganda and the rest. *sigh* we should not get there. It will not be funny at all

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Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by Nobody: 8:18pm On Jun 08, 2013
Egba girl:

I honestly fear a civil war. We can't afford to be another Sierra Leone, Liberia, Uganda and the rest. *sigh* we should not get there. It will not be funny at all
Some people think civil war in a multiethnic Nigeria will be like 'drama they sit in their abode to watch' or a 'mortal combat' they play with joysyick. The painful aspect of civil war is that u'll still come back to round table to resolve issues.
Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by Nobody: 8:38pm On Jun 08, 2013
obasy09:

Have u read about the slave trade and how Africa was exploited brutally to develop the West? Have you ever wondered why West African countries are alternated
between English and French-speaking countries? It is simply to prevent unity. They are contented with the way Africa is. They just want to make sure it is weaker. They'are not going to desolve Africa into a single entity-that will mean shooting themselves in the foot.

Truth be told; Africa can never be weaker than it's at the moment. Ours is a lost cause and we'll be better off if we're allowed to create our own identities and live based on our consciousness.

I think the West is also fed up with Africa because we've become more of a burden to them, than they envisaged when they created those demonic artificial borders.

We don't need a single entity for unity to thrive; all we need are people of different identities coming together to form a larger union. With that; there would be mutual respect and we would be able to do everything based on our common struggle(s)/interest(s) and things that unite us.
Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by Nobody: 8:52pm On Jun 08, 2013
Egba girl:
I don't know if I agree with this. I'm not sure about starting from scratch. Even if Ed break up into 50 smaller countries, won't we still need to work together in order to make the continent rise? As we are now, we already have inter-state beef and tensions so I don't think undoing the borders will entirely solve the problem. We need to be more selfless and more conscious of the common good. There will probably be disunity within smaller states anyway. All you need is grouping which already existing on a smaller scale.

We're tribal people and the forceful union of tribal people can never work. Hence why Nigeria is a cesspit. You definitely can force two extreme people with different consciousness to live together in the same house, and expect progress. Because one will always work to bring the other down. However, when you allow them to do things separately - there will be competition and that'll lead to progress.

You definitely can't compare the disunity that'll exist among smaller states, to the retrogressive and destructive disunity in Nigeria. The three major ethnic groups in Nigeria have different consciousness and the forceful union of the three is the sole reason why the country is messed up - and also why it'll never make any tangible progress. Nigeria is doomed!! It might make little progress but will never attain its full potentials - and that's the honest truth.

Africa unity will come when we realise that Africans are tribal people(just like Europeans and Asians) and we need our own identities to be able to set out goals and achieve them, based on our tribal consciousness. We don't even have an identity, for crying out loud. What's the Nigerian identity? You can't be loyal to what don't exist in your consciousness; hence why most Nigerians are selfish.
Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by Egbagirl(f): 8:54pm On Jun 08, 2013
obasy09:
Some people think civil war in a multiethnic Nigeria will be like 'drama they sit in their abode to watch' or a 'mortal combat' they play with joysyick. The painful aspect of civil war is that u'll still come back to round table to resolve issues.

Lol!!! I couldn't help but laugh. It's one if two thing: conflict/war can either be a positive tool for change or a negative one. How many of the Africans wars have resulted to stable peace and development? Of which those are even small countries. Now imagine a whole Nigeria? And yea, these issues will still need to be discussed war or no war so why wait till millions of people die until you decide to resolve them? Even better now before we become a UN case study. Never a good thing.

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Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by Egbagirl(f): 8:58pm On Jun 08, 2013
ShyM-X:


We're tribal people and the forceful union of tribal people can never work. Hence why Nigeria is a cesspit. You definitely can force two extreme people with different consciousness to live together in the same house, and expect progress. Because one will always work to bring the other down. However, when you allow them to do things separately - there will be competition and that'll lead to progress.

You definitely can't compare the disunity that'll exist among smaller states, to the retrogressive and destructive disunity in Nigeria. The three major ethnic groups in Nigeria have different consciousness and the forceful union of the three is the sole reason why the country is messed up - and also why it'll never make any tangible progress. Nigeria is doomed!! It might make little progress but will never attain its full potentials - and that's the honest truth.

Africa unity will come when we realise that Africans are tribal people(just like Europeans and Asians) and we need our own identities to be able to set out goals and achieve them, based on our tribal consciousness. We don't even have an identity, for crying out loud. What's Nigerian identity? You can't be loyal to what don't exist in your consciousness; hence why most Nigerians are selfish.

Okay yes, the forced unity was a wrong move but you think breaking up the north and the south will help? What's the assurance the south won't also want to break into two?? Imagine if every African country wanted to break up because they were all forcefully and artificially united?? What would be the result? Why can't we just accept that we are in this mess and figure out a way out TOGETHER? going back to the drawing board and breaking things up might not be the best solution. We can create a common identity if we wanted to (I think we already have one but it's not as strong as I would have liked)

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Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by Nobody: 9:00pm On Jun 08, 2013
Egba girl:

Lol!!! I couldn't help but laugh. It's one if two thing: conflict/war can either be a positive tool for change or a negative one. How many of the Africans wars have resulted to stable peace and development? Of which those are even small countries. Now imagine a whole Nigeria? And yea, these issues will still need to be discussed war or no war so why wait till millions of people die until you decide to resolve them? Even better now before we become a UN case study. Never a good thing.

Europe had to fight many civil wars to get to where it's today. Chairman Mao killed millions of Chinese people to get China to where it's today. So what if we lose 2 million people to save future generations?

We can't just be cowardly and continue in this vicious cycle of destruction and retrogression. Africa needs to wake up and re-draw the darn borders. Why should Yoruba's/Hausa's(+Fulani's)/Igbo's be in the same country? These three groups are different, yet they exist under the same "roof." To even make matters worse - they exist under freaking centralised system of government. If that isn't wickedness and failure - I don't know what it's.
Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by Nobody: 9:08pm On Jun 08, 2013
Egba girl:

Okay yes, the forced unity was a wrong move but you think breaking up the north and the south will help? What's the assurance the south won't also want to break into two?? Imagine if every African country wanted to break up because they were all forcefully and artificially united?? What would be the result? Why can't we just accept that we are in this mess and figure out a way out TOGETHER? going back to the drawing board and breaking things up might not be the best solution. We can create a common identity if we wanted to (I think we already have one but it's not as strong as I would have liked)

See, hun - sometimes when you've tried something for a long time and it's a vicious cycle of failure - it's better to try a new-approach/something-new.

Heck, even Albert Einstein said the same thing: "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." And "We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them."

It shows we're insane. We've tried for 53 years and we've not made any progress. Some would even argue that we've retrogressed. Don't you think the world is tired of Africa's problems? Africa keeps churning out its people to all the nooks and crannies of the planet, as burdens on everyone. Everyone's tired of Africa - and it's high time we started solving our own problems.

Nigeria is never going to work. There will always be vested and tribal interests. Hence why you have people clamouring for their turn to rule every four years despite not having the right candidate.
Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by Egbagirl(f): 9:08pm On Jun 08, 2013
ShyM-X:


Europe had to fight many civil wars to get to where it's today. Chairman Mao killed millions of Chinese people to get China to where it's today. So what if we lose 2 million people to save future generations?

We can't just be cowardly and continue in this vicious cycle of destruction and retrogression. Africa needs to wake up and re-draw the darn borders. Why should Yoruba's/Hausa's(+Fulani's)/Igbo's be in the same country? These three groups are different, yet they exist under the same "roof." To even make matters worse - they exist under freaking centralised system of government. If that isn't wickedness and failure - I don't know what it's.


That Europe fought many wars does not mean we have to do the same. We should have fought our war 60 years ago and fought it right. It is easier to destroy than rebuild especially today. We will find out that the world will be years ahead of us before we can get back on our feet. Look at other war torn african countries for evidence.

I agree we need to stop this cowardice but fighting does not equal courage. I think there is more bravery in resolving issues peacefully.

Okay three distinct groups living together under a centralized government... Perhaps we need a new style of governance? One that can accommodate all three major tribes and the minorities as well?

I repeat again, war is not always the best solution. It crates more chaos and problems than solutions. I don't know if I think a disintegration is what we need. It seems like a weak solution to a compound problem.

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Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by Egbagirl(f): 9:11pm On Jun 08, 2013
ShyM-X:


See, hun - sometimes when you've tried something for a long time and it's a vicious cycle of failure - it's better to try a new-approach/something-new.

Heck, even Albert Einstein said the same thing: "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." And "We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them."

It shows we're insane. We've tried for 53 years and we've not made any progress. Some would even argue that we've retrogressed. Don't you think the world is tired of Africa's problems? Africa keeps churning out its people to all the nooks and crannies of the planet, as burdens on everyone. Everyone's tired of Africa - and it's high time we started solving our own problems.

Nigeria is never going to work. There will always be vested and tribal interests. Hence why you have people clamouring for their turn to rule every four years despite not having the right candidate.

So we should break up into how many parts? North and south? Yoruba, Igbo and Hausa? Or by state? What about the smaller ethnic groups? What happens to them? Maybe you can convince me that this disintegration will work but right now it's not looking like it

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Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by Nobody: 9:15pm On Jun 08, 2013
Egba girl:
That Europe fought many wars does not mean we have to do the same. We should have fought our war 60 years ago and fought it right. It is easier to destroy than rebuild especially today. We will find out that the world will be years ahead of us before we can get back on our feet. Look at other war torn african countries for evidence.

I agree we need to stop this cowardice but fighting does not equal courage. I think there is more bravery in resolving issues peacefully.

Okay three distinct groups living together under a centralized government... Perhaps we need a new style of governance? One that can accommodate all three major tribes and the minorities as well?

I repeat again, war is not always the best solution. It crates more chaos and problems than solutions. I don't know if I think a disintegration is what we need. It seems like a weak solution to a compound problem.

Even if we end up fighting another war - I believe we've got enough resources to rebuild. Also, this isn't the 70s and 80s anymore where the world would watch us continue an endless war. Once the borders are partitioned; rebuilding and the creation of institutions would begin in earnest. We've nothing to lose, but a lot to gain. People are dying everyday and I'm sure the death rate in Nigeria from preventable causes should be up to about 500,000 a yr. If America could have up to more 100,000 a yr, then Nigeria should be close to that. So, what are the people scared of?

Balkanisation or the confederation system a la UK system is the solution to Nigeria's unique problems. Nigeria is not an identity - the people need an identity and some space to grow at the own pace based on their consciousness.
Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by redsun(m): 9:16pm On Jun 08, 2013
Those that can not smart up,will definitely fall.No matter the outside influences or supports.The faith of the ignorant is inevitable extinction,because they are not fit to survive.They can't work it out,therefore,they can not live.It is case of natural selection in progress.It is a case of life.

A people determines their faith by what they know.They decide,they make the rules on how they live.
Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by Nobody: 9:19pm On Jun 08, 2013
Egba girl:
So we should break up into how many parts? North and south? Yoruba, Igbo and Hausa? Or by state? What about the smaller ethnic groups? What happens to them? Maybe you can convince me that this disintegration will work but right now it's not looking like it

We've got the three major ethnic groups - and that should be the starting point. Then, they can get a referendum to the similar smaller groups about who they'd like to go with. And their choice would be based on agreement with the larger groups on what they can offer them.
Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by AlfaSeltzer(m): 9:20pm On Jun 08, 2013
The day I will need visa to enter Lagos will be the most joyous day of my life.
Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by Katsumoto: 9:23pm On Jun 08, 2013
Dissolution of the country is not going to be the answer. There will simply be new classifications - instead of Yoruba, Hausa, Igbo, you will have Egba/Ijebu; Hausa/Fulani/Kanuri; Igbo/Ibibio/Ijaw; Urhobo/Itsekiri/Edo; etc. The tolerance and deep thinking required to move forward will not simply appear after the nation is broken up. Re-writing the constitution to recognize the various identities and protection of the rights of all Nigerians will be a much better solution.

Going to war to re-draw boundaries is just senseless. That is so middle-ages. War should be the last option; all options involving internal and international diplomacy should be exhausted first.

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Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by tdade(m): 9:27pm On Jun 08, 2013
ShyM-X:


Even if we end up fighting another war - I believe we've got enough resources to rebuild. Also, this isn't the 70s and 80s anymore where the world would watch us continue an endless war. Once the borders are partitioned; rebuilding and the creation of institutions would begin in earnest. We've nothing to lose, but a lot to gain. People are dying everyday and I'm sure the death rate in Nigeria from preventable causes should be up to about 500,000 a yr. If America could have up to more 100,000 a yr, then Nigeria should be close to that. So, what are the people scared of?

Balkanisation or the confederation system a la UK system is the solution to Nigeria's unique problems. Nigeria is not an identity - the people need an identity and some space to grow at the own pace based on their consciousness.
I go with the UK system; seems it will be less bloody but just as effective as a total Balkanisation.
Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by Nobody: 9:32pm On Jun 08, 2013
Katsumoto: Dissolution of the country is not going to be the answer. There will simply be new classifications - instead of Yoruba, Hausa, Igbo, you will have Egba/Ijebu; Hausa/Fulani/Kanuri; Igbo/Ibibio/Ijaw; Urhobo/Itsekiri/Edo; etc. The tolerance and deep thinking required to move forward will not simply appear after the nation is broken up. Re-writing the constitution to recognize the various identities and protection of the rights of all Nigerians will be a much better solution.

Going to war to re-draw boundaries is just senseless. That is so middle-ages. War should be the last option; all options involving internal and international diplomacy should be exhausted first.

But Kats - the balkanisation of the Soviet union worked. Now, most of the old Soviet bloc are better off than they were under the Soviet Union. Heck, they're still dealing from afar with mutual respect for one another's sovereignty. The same goes for Yugoslavia and the Balkans.

If the balkanisation is based on agreements and not a forceful one a la Nigeria - it'll work. With that; it'll be easier to apply the true federalism.
Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by tdade(m): 9:33pm On Jun 08, 2013
To be honest, true federalism is all Nigeria needs. The northern states can impose Sharia as they deem fit and the Niger Delta will have autonomy over her resources.
This would go a long way in solving Nigeria's problems. Then again, I get the feeling Nigeria has gone past the ticking point and disintegration seems inevitable.
Re: Nigeria's Distabilisation Plot Seemed On Course by Nobody: 9:33pm On Jun 08, 2013
tdade: I go with the UK system; seems it will be less bloody but just as effective as a total Balkanisation.

True that.

However, are the "owners of Nigeria" ready to talk and effect something like that?

That's the crux of the matter.

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