idumuose: Yes Ɣ☺u are right.the babies are sold to the ever willing buyers
From the south west for ritual purposes.I have made comments on
Kidnapping and I did not spare nobody.my point is juju and human
Rituals is consistent with a certain tribe from certain part of this
Country.I am not saying that the ss or se are not involved in rituals.
I am saying that ritals,juju,fetish propensity is a trade mark of
Yur people. Ɣ☺u know what I am saying is true so don't shy away from it

ballabriggs:

What is bad about this? If it is acceptable to take my Bible and Quran about, why is it not acceptable to take my offor around?

This is creating unnecessary and dangerous stereotypes. Who terms one good and the other bad? Answer is Christianity and Islam says that is bad and theirs is good.

What if the Ifa man says Christianity and Islam is evil, could he be wrong?

Her suspension should be lifted with immediate effect. This is complete nonsense and discriminatory. We should promote diversity and equality and not a society were people are stereotyped for their beliefs.

Okija_juju:


[b]So in your books, African Traditional worshippers are not honourable?!

YES!! Miniature coffins all form part of African traditional worship items. So do skulls of animals, humans, bird feathers, voodoo dolls, red cloths, eggs and also blood. That does not make it 'dishonourable'.


My Christian Neighbour prays at the top of her voice every night with 90% of her prayers revoling around killing all those people who are responsible for her problems by fire and force. She sprinkles Olive oil, uses handkerchiefs and probably holy water and crusifixes..

You Africans need to be ashamed of yourselves. Most of you look at an image of Jesus on a cross crusified and you all kneel and see nothing wrong with it. You see a woman with a miniature replica of a coffin and you are ready to lynch her. Isnt that double standards?!

You talk about role models.. What kind would you be?! You will tomorrow tell your kids things like 'Stay true to yourself', dont try to be like others, yet here we are denying that which is ours and desperately trying to be like the whites. Yet in the entire bible, not one Black man is a hero. Infact, the only one person that has been argued to be black is the one that was cursed by his father (Ham).


Go and weep for yourself.. As a people, Africans are very lost. [/b]

siaco:
what of checks on her form indicate that she filled in religion column "christianity" while she is practicing african traditional religion, what will u say about that?

Andre Uweh:
Ondo and not Ogun.

Okija_juju:


[b]So in your books, African Traditional worshippers are not honourable?!

YES!! Miniature coffins all form part of African traditional worship items. So do skulls of animals, humans, bird feathers, voodoo dolls, red cloths, eggs and also blood. That does not make it 'dishonourable'.


My Christian Neighbour prays at the top of her voice every night with 90% of her prayers revoling around killing all those people who are responsible for her problems by fire and force. She sprinkles Olive oil, uses handkerchiefs and probably holy water and crusifixes..

You Africans need to be ashamed of yourselves. Most of you look at an image of Jesus on a cross crusified and you all kneel and see nothing wrong with it. You see a woman with a miniature replica of a coffin and you are ready to lynch her. Isnt that double standards?!

You talk about role models.. What kind would you be?! You will tomorrow tell your kids things like 'Stay true to yourself', dont try to be like others, yet here we are denying that which is ours and desperately trying to be like the whites. Yet in the entire bible, not one Black man is a hero. Infact, the only one person that has been argued to be black is the one that was cursed by his father (Ham).


Go and weep for yourself.. As a people, Africans are very lost. [/b]

siaco:
what of checks on her form indicate that she filled in religion column "christianity" while she is practicing african traditional religion, what will u say about that?

bigblxd:


Bros, pls u are one person whose views i respect on dis platform. You would agree with me that extremism in any religion should not be condoned moreso with people we rever. African religion shouldnt all be about blood and deaths. We mustnt kill in the name of practicing African Religion please and stop painting us this BLACK! Take it or leave it, any form of religious practice which portrays wickedness, wishes others death or symbolises death should not be encouraged. Afterall what is religion without peace, Godliness and morality. PEACE!

bobthebuilder99: Igbos hate us too much.

ballabriggs:

What is bad about this? If it is acceptable to take my Bible and Quran about, why is it not acceptable to take my offor around?

This is creating unnecessary and dangerous stereotypes. Who terms one good and the other bad? Answer is Christianity and Islam says that is bad and theirs is good.

What if the Ifa man says Christianity and Islam is evil, could he be wrong?

Her suspension should be lifted with immediate effect. This is complete nonsense and discriminatory. We should promote diversity and equality and not a society were people are stereotyped for their beliefs.

Clinton207: Are u a Christian?act 4:12

Henry praise: Her arguement will ran thus: wat abt pple who carry quran n bible to d assembly, ar dey being prosecuted? Den she shud be asked wat religion she filled in her form n if she didn't feel african traditional religion, I move a motion that she shud be relieved of her duty: impeached, sacked or dismembered for providin false information.

Tedpgrass:



Let's not ignore the issues here.

The religion, be it Christianity, Islam or traditional African worship is not the issue here.

It's the perception that objects found in her custody were thought to be for diabolical use.
A claim, madam legislator hasn't denied. She hasn't alluded to African trado worship either.

Correct my information, the objects detailed are usually found at the altar of the priest, not in individual homes.




It's the infringement of human rights of others by her actions that's put her into derision.
This is similar to Islamic fundamentalists actions.


.

bigblxd:


Bros, pls u are one person whose views i respect on dis platform. You would agree with me that extremism in any religion should not be condoned moreso with people we rever. African religion shouldnt all be about blood and deaths. We mustnt kill in the name of practicing African Religion please and stop painting us this BLACK! Take it or leave it, any form of religious practice which portrays wickedness, wishes others death or symbolises death should not be encouraged. Afterall what is religion without peace, Godliness and morality. PEACE!

Okija_juju:

[b]Hahahahahaaaa...

Sorry... I'm gonna tone down my response and apologise to you if I get carried away and come across as insulting. Please forgive me..

Now! back to the topic;

You talked about the objects found on her person. Unfortunately, the article only laid emphasis on the 'miniature coffin' so I'll guess thats the most significant item of note that was found because if a human skull was among the items, I'm sure this article would have also highlighted it the same way they did the coffin.

Now.. DIABOLICAL. So because its a 'miniature casket', its diabolical. Now let me ask you, what can she do with a minature casket?! Except there is a 'Midget Assembly man/woman' that is minute enough to fit into he miniature casket, I wonder how you came to the conclusion that it is diabolical. That miniature casket is just as diabolical as the Christian Olive oil. I'm almost certain you are of the Christian faith and must have heard of 'spiritual warfare' preachings and teachings where items such as sand, Olive oil, handkerchiefs, water, burnt palm frond ash, e.t.c are all weapons used in this warfare. So its okay for christians to look at a mans picture, pray death prayers and pour olive oil (or whatever else they like on it) and walk away.. But a man makes a miniature casket, puts the picture of his percieved enemy inside and bury it, it becomes Diabolical... #Again, how are you guys able to be so selective in your judgements?!

Infringement of Human right.. Like seriously?! Like fuuccking seriously?! How does me, Carrying a full sized Casket around infringe on anybodys right?! Infact, what right am I infringing?! Their fundamental human rights not to see a casket or what?! Like seriously! You need to explain this one..

Again, she does not need to allude to anything.. She reserves the right to be Christian on Monday, Muslim on Tuesday, Jehovahs witness on Wednesday, Jewish on Thursday, Ifaa worshipper on Friday, Sabbath on Saturday and Hindu on sunday.. Its her right protected in the constitution.

Again sir, you have failed to defend your point.. And the islamic fundamentalist prat of your post is ridiculous.. [/b]

Jarus: Too bad. Thought religion has taken away all these. This is one of the reason I don't intend participating in elective politics in Nigeria. Hardly possible not to compromise, if not moral/ethics, it's faith.

Okija_juju:

And what is Christianity about?! THE DEATH AND BLOOD OF JESUS. And if you cant see the wickedness, death and bad in the bible, then you must be reading an abridged version.

Still my brother, we have a failure to launch here.

Iykebestbt: juju power powerless power ooo

OKIJA JUJU

Okija_juju:

[b]Hahahahahaaaa...

Sorry... I'm gonna tone down my response and apologise to you if I get carried away and come across as insulting. Please forgive me..

Now! back to the topic;

You talked about the objects found on her person. Unfortunately, the article only laid emphasis on the 'miniature coffin' so I'll guess thats the most significant item of note that was found because if a human skull was among the items, I'm sure this article would have also highlighted it the same way they did the coffin.

Now.. DIABOLICAL. So because its a 'miniature casket', its diabolical. Now let me ask you, what can she do with a minature casket?! Except there is a 'Midget Assembly man/woman' that is minute enough to fit into he miniature casket, I wonder how you came to the conclusion that it is diabolical. That miniature casket is just as diabolical as the Christian Olive oil. I'm almost certain you are of the Christian faith and must have heard of 'spiritual warfare' preachings and teachings where items such as sand, Olive oil, handkerchiefs, water, burnt palm frond ash, e.t.c are all weapons used in this warfare. So its okay for christians to look at a mans picture, pray death prayers and pour olive oil (or whatever else they like on it) and walk away.. But a man makes a miniature casket, puts the picture of his percieved enemy inside and bury it, it becomes Diabolical... #Again, how are you guys able to be so selective in your judgements?!

Infringement of Human right.. Like seriously?! Like fuuccking seriously?! How does me, Carrying a full sized Casket around infringe on anybodys right?! Infact, what right am I infringing?! Their fundamental human rights not to see a casket or what?! Like seriously! You need to explain this one..

Again, she does not need to allude to anything.. She reserves the right to be Christian on Monday, Muslim on Tuesday, Jehovahs witness on Wednesday, Jewish on Thursday, Ifaa worshipper on Friday, Sabbath on Saturday and Hindu on sunday.. Its her right protected in the constitution.

Again sir, you have failed to defend your point.. And the islamic fundamentalist prat of your post is ridiculous.. [/b]

Henry praise: Her arguement will ran thus: wat abt pple who carry quran n bible to d assembly, ar dey being prosecuted? Den she shud be asked wat religion she filled in her form n if she didn't feel african traditional religion, I move a motion that she shud be relieved of her duty: impeached, sacked or dismembered for providin false information.

ritux: Majority of them are the same, only that God exposed this one. If a woman can do this, that means that their men are tigers in the act. No wonder human spare part market and human sacrifices are rampart in that part of Nigeria.

Tedpgrass:




With respect to the Christian analogy you've painted above or my comments on Islamic fundamentalism.......
It's a case of decimating the principle of " live and let live".

Living in harmony, without the need to extraneously impose your belief system on others, particularly when this is not welcome, is the middle ground here, regardless of religious slant.

Tedpgrass:

By the time, voodoo dolls with pins or pictures are being kept in coffins, then that line is crossed.
In addition, these objects in themselves are pictorially seen as evil.... public opinion will be.... they are of a diabolical nature rather than as worship instruments.

Tedpgrass:
Like the brother above said..... focus in Xtianity is on the resurrection not just the Cross. People who carry or kneel before the cross, do so in acknowledgment of the great sacrifice, a reminder, not to voodoo-hunt their victims or enemies.

Tedpgrass:
I find your allusions to changing different religions on a daily basis rather laughable. You can't claim any as your faith..... you can allude to "trying" them out till you find the best fit as done in certain social paradigms. That argument won't stand in any legal premise.

Nigerian Constitution Chapter 4 Article 38:
38. (1) Every person shall be entitled to freedom of thought, conscience and religion, including freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom (either alone or in community with others, and in public or in private) to manifest and propagate his religion or belief in worship, teaching, practice and observance.

(2) No person attending any place of education shall be required to receive religious instruction or to take part in or attend any religious ceremony or observance if such instruction ceremony or observance relates to a religion other than his own, or religion not approved by his parent or guardian.

(3) No religious community or denomination shall be prevented from providing religious instruction for pupils of that community or denomination in any place of education maintained wholly by that community or denomination.

(4) Nothing in this section shall entitle any person to form, take part in the activity or be a member of a secret society.

Tedpgrass:
Importantly, the initial focus of my piece, was on the public consensus or perception of such objects.......
(a practical demo: put a coffin in the middle of a street and a Christian cross/ Muslim prayer beads on another street and observe reactions of passers-by...... chances are....... you may be incapacitated for awhile by the mob anger)

Tedpgrass:
This is explained by the fact that Nigeria as a country lends itself to 2 predominant faiths... whereby possession of such objects is seen as diabolical.



It's not only important to be right by your principles, whatever they might be, but proportionate expediency is a necessary measure.

Tedpgrass:
Last word on the matter, I've come across quite a few trado specialists, I have never seen coffins in their apartments. Other paraphernalia like cowries, bowls and small altars to their deities yes,..... not coffins.


Maybe you'd like to educate NL as to this coffin carrying trado group